₦airaland Forum

CSTR2:
The USA is federal nation where states have ''near-sovereign'' level of autonomy and resource control.
Don't ever compare America with Nigeria again in terms of reasons for patriotism and unity, if you want anybody to take you serious.

my brother, don't be fooled by the "beer parlour gist" have you tried reading the US history and government? the Federal Govt has powers over the security, mineral resources, economy and many more... just like the way it is being done in nigeria. the US president also have his representatives in each state.
The major difference between nigeria and US is that their state executives look inward to also develop their state instead of sitting down to wait for federal government allocation. what Obasanjo did to Lagos was a blessing in disguise for them

CSTR2:
I could give you atleast 3 cogent reasons with historical basis why Nigeria may never work and why a smaller, cohesive , culturally homogenous nation states may be the better alternative in the long run, but I won't because there is no point.
Many people have given such cogent reasons on this forum many times including the pro-Nigerians though unwittingly. We see what we want to see after-all.

bro, I Strongly love to know your reason, whether they are faulted ones . this is because it is very easy to give an opinion, but the question is, Is it nationally valid or regionally valid?

Boleyndynasty2:
I get your point but we need HOW now not WHY.

my dear, I believe if the preaching of Love get suck in our head... How to become a better nation will be no issue...why do you this every ordinary citizen of the US usually recite the slogan "God bless America " and not God bless Mr A? it is because America includes Mr A and millions of people. Therefore if everybody is blessed, Mr A can never have a problem with others

menxer:
That's how we got here, because we failed to ask why at an earlier stage.

just like the popular saying goes, if you don't know where you are coming from, you can't know where you are going to. The America of today knew how much they suffered before independence, the black Americans knew how much they suffered before getting freedom, the south-africa of today knew how well they suffered before independence and that is why they all see every reason to be United than being divided.. but what happened to Nigeria?

otukpo:
I strongly believe that regional government will make more sense than this type of federal system that Nigeria is practising.

my dear, it is very easy to say that something will work most especially when it has not been tried. we don't have a regional focused govt already some states are already funding terrorism ; we don't have a regionally focused govt yet some states are already taking laws in there hands ; we don't have regional govt already some states are sponsoring protesters and rebels in other states in order to influence their internal policies. like a friend will say, "if you cannot wash your family's toilet, what is the probability that your will be regularly clean" or do we think Jesus does not know what he meant by 'love your neighbour as your self' because we can never be successful if we don't learn how to live by each other's happiness and not misery.
swt@ the problem of this country is not a particular group but you and I

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baridamhoney:
While i am not against your opinion ,I will like you to give a genuine reason why you think it should happen

my dear...am not sure he has. he could be following the band wagon chant. D;

there are only a few brave men that I still respect in this political dispensation and Sanusi Lamido (Emir) is one of them. I think he is absolutely right. if national interest is placed far above personal or regional interest as the case may be then I can see nigeria getting to there. I don't see any national justification for the call of secession . or maybe someone can help me with 10?
Even if we discover a reason to become a "regional entity" am sure there are 99 reasons why we must must fight remain a "national entity"


.FTC atlast...Dedicating this space to all those that are yet to make FTC that your time is near...

Echo50:
I am a son of eleme, brother to ogoni land. Apc have no voice as far as my source of info is concern, the A.pieces are known for initial gragra......they just want to use the old systm of winning an election(fight to death) but, PDP have upgraded to using education( matured politics like, trading 1500 recharge card for phone 4000)in winning

Paperwhite:
Rivers APC are just a bunch of silly irritating numbskulls who are waiting for any polical crumbs to eat.

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Thisis2raw:
This Rivers Apc is the most useless chapter of Apc. Always fooling themselves

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kindly ask the corpers serving in Rivers that conducted the elections to tell you the name of the party that rigged and later gave the 30,000 naira each.

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Abagworo:
What about Rivers State that owes 7 months? Most of these rich States are under godfather siege that needs liberation. Lagos can be said to have Tinubu as Godfather but then he allows the Governors work with their money unlike Rivers, Delta and Bayelsa. Bayelsa needs liberation.

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There are states that don't want liberation for their people. they prefer their people to be uneducated so that the can easily manipulate them into doing anything for them before, during and after election. Now you can imagine why we have a lot of uneducated and dropouts that will still celebrate their useless govt . Education is the key to political liberation

WORDWORLD:
BARIDAMBABE, IT WILL BE METICULOUSLY SERVED WITH PERSPECTIVE TAKINGS FROM ALL ANGLES AND SYSTEMATICALLY. HONESTLY I AM MAKING A SUPERB BOOK OF ENLIGHTENMENT FROM THIS. PLEASE BE PATIENT. NO INVENTION COULD EVER TAKE THE HARD WORK OUT OF CREATING.

hmmm

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Donald1111:
You all should shut your mouth up...go and work and stop looking for awoof money...fools..
Quote me and die

I can't believe you think corpers don't work. baba you need to receive sense

anibi9674:
my state no get money.

like Really
Rivers!!! a oil rich state. small states like Ogun state, Oyo, Gombe, Zamfara, Osun, etc are paying their corpers

there are only 2 types of people that should not be owed salary/ allowance

1. Pensioners
2. Corpers





@lalastica help them push the post to front page

annunaki2:
There is no authentic documented evidence for mary's age when she was bethroted/ conceived but all evidences point to the fact that she was a mature woman.

Sighs

WORDWORLD:
This the VERY FIRST TIME am EVER coming across a CHRISTIAN on NAIRALAND seeking with HONESTY answers to QUESTIONS of which one of them is wrapped around ISLAM.

From your PERSONAL PROFILE, andersonbaba i notice that your interest on NL is MAINLY POLITICS and this questions of yours is a SUDDEN CURIOSITY in the realm of RELIGION. I just want you to know that i am still on it. AS I TOLD YOU ITS A RABBIT HOLE THAT LEADS TO ALOT OF OTHER HOLES. A WORTHY ADVENTURE. THEY DISCOVERIES WILL REALLY REALLY SHOCK YOU. 

So, far your responses to the opinions given to you as answers to your SINCERE THOUGHTFUL QUESTION are very GENUINE of one who is HONESTLY seeking for CERTAINTIES and not CONJECTURES.

Please bear with me. As infact i may end up publishing my answer as a NOBLE BOOK that satisfies alot of CURIOUSITY puting our DOUBTS under check in an era where the TRUTH is greeted with CONTEMPT.

Please bear with me.  andersonbaba wish you a very SPLENDID DAY.

Oga am waiting for ur opinion. And an intellectual one this time

WORDWORLD:
This the VERY FIRST TIME am EVER coming across a CHRISTIAN on NAIRALAND seeking with HONESTY answers to QUESTIONS of which one of them is wrapped around ISLAM.

From your PERSONAL PROFILE, andersonbaba i notice that your interest on NL is MAINLY POLITICS and this questions of yours is a SUDDEN CURIOSITY in the realm of RELIGION. I just want you to know that i am still on it. AS I TOLD YOU ITS A RABBIT HOLE THAT LEADS TO ALOT OF OTHER HOLES. A WORTHY ADVENTURE. THEY DISCOVERIES WILL REALLY REALLY SHOCK YOU. 

So, far your responses to the opinions given to you as answers to your SINCERE THOUGHTFUL QUESTION are very GENUINE of one who is HONESTLY seeking for CERTAINTIES and not CONJECTURES.

Please bear with me. As infact i may end up publishing my answer as a NOBLE BOOK that satisfies alot of CURIOUSITY puting our DOUBTS under check in an era where the TRUTH is greeted with CONTEMPT.

Please bear with me.  andersonbaba wish you a very SPLENDID DAY.

Oga am waiting for ur opinion. And an intellectual one this time

baridamhoney:
The matter tire me after doing some personal readings

It seems that is why a friend said the search for light is evil. Am just understanding it now

Make lalasticaaa put this thing for front page now

baridamhoney:
me myself is confused oooo

why nw

Sinkills:
In the Bible, girls of about 12 years old (including teenagers) were referred to as damsels not women (Mark 5:39-43, Matthew 9:24, 26:69, Luke 8:52, John 18:17, Acts 12:13, 16:16). However, Mary, the mother of Jesus was addressed by angel Gabriel as a woman (Luke 1: 26-28). Apart from that, her cousin Elizabeth was already past child bearing age (Luke 1:5-7, 36-38). So Mary could not have been 12 or even a teenager. From the foregoing, it is evident that she was a fully mature woman when she was engaged or betrothed to Joseph the carpenter. Thank you.

You seems to be making sense. But our 11yr old last born has a 40yr old cousin. At times we just call the man uncle as he got married late.

CoolUsername:
I have a few questions, why did the Muslim brother defend the paedophilia prevalent in his religion by pointing out the same weakness in another? Isn't his religion supposed to be superior? Isn't that why he is a Muslim? Doesn't everybody think his religion is the perfect system ordained by God? Why then, do they defend their religions by showing how they are no worse than others?

Abi oooo

parisbookaddict:
andersonbaba here is your answer
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Mary, the mother of Jesus was not 12 or a young girl when she got married.
Though the bible didn’t see it necessary to state an age, it is clear she was a mature woman.. here are the evidence.

Firstly, when she perceived that she has become pregnant, she went to visit her cousin, Elizabeth ,not aunt, not mother, her cousin. Now, being cousins means that though there can be some age gap between them, but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence, mary couldn't be a teenager, not to talk of 12.

Secondly, it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for 3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house at that time and even now.

Thirdly, her ability to independently move from her city to another for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature woman, not a teen or even less.

Fourthly, she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)

Fifth, read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly shows the intelligence of a full grown woman who is knowledgeable in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.

As for Joseph, though no mention was ever made anywhere in the bible of his age, the bible describes him as a just man which modern scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.

Also, 12years after Jesus was born, his parents were still going to Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he married her at 99.

let me also add that when 12yr old Jesus went missing, Mary and Joseph turned the whole Jerusalem upside down searching for him until they found him in the temple.

If 12yr old was considered adult then, his parents wouldn't have worried because as an "adult he could fend for himself" But no, Mary and Joseph went searching for him till she found him, why? a 12yr old child is considered as a kid as it was in 2000 years ago and today... unlike Mohammed who sees a 6 year old child fit for marriage and 9 year old fit for sex..

All this evidence should tell you clearly that Mary wasn't 12yrs old at the time she was engaged to Joseph.

I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a
child.. this is not even debatable. .

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...

Leviticus 21:7 ESV
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God. notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..

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WORDWORLD aka al taqiyya jihadist
Notruthatall
Deicide

muslims keep citing one silly site of unverified origin, claiming that mary was 12years in order to justify or draw comparison to mohammed who had sex with baby aisha at 9 years. the truth is that mary was a woman.

Bros, according t my research, 12yrs old was the age which a lady can be betrothed to a man. But she can only become a man after seeing her first menstruation which then makes her ripe for marriage. However, 12 yrs does not apply to a male chid

Farmerforlife:
The whole problem is with the concept of 'underage'. Islam proposes that there is no specific 'miraculous' age at which an individual spontaneously becomes physically or emotionally mature on the eve of his/her birthday, different individuals become mature at different ages. In Islam, it is left for the individual's guardians to assess when is the appropriate age to get him/her married, keeping in mind that it is essential to keep away the temptation to fornicate from their wards. In Islam, the only 'age' condition is that the marriage is only concluded if the individual gives consent when puberty is attained, and that no form of sexual contact may take place before then.

Secondly, paedophilia is the act of sexual contact with, or desire for, prepubescent children. An individual who has attained puberty is neither prepubescent (obviously) nor a child. Physical maturity is attained at puberty.

You are making a point though. According to the history of the israelites, they bethroat their child at a very young age. They after their first menstruation they can marry and produce a child

baridamhoney:
but really, this is the kind of experience a friend has in port harcourt

Really....tell us about it.

no b she wan marry fame

annunaki2:
This is highly speculative, there is no documented evidence for this.

Hmmmmmmm

Notruthatall:
Mary was 12 years old when she was bethrothed to Joseph

Bro. Did you also read it from the history books? Because I didn't want to believe it when I saw it.

lilliesboy:
A lot of MUMUslims do that because it is scriptural: their MuhamMAD married and fu*ked Aisha at the age of 8/9 when she was still playing with dolls.

Lol...but the question now is how old was Mary when she was betrothed and conceived?

lilliesboy:
A big bunch of irrelevancies wrapped in boredom! That is what you just did in your write-up.

Guy u bad oooo

Seun:
Your name is now capitalized but I didn't make it all caps because that's considered as shouting on the net!

Oga seun, pls I need to change my moniker to my name "Baridambabe" instead of my boyfriend's name.

annunaki2:
The age was never removed, the writers of the gospels did just not find it necessary to include her age in their writings but all evidences indicates she was a mature lady as at the time of her marriage. For instance as at that time she was old enough to travel unaccompanied to visit her cousin Elizabeth(who later gave birth to john the baptist). The bible referred to Elizabeth as her cousin and not her aunt and we know that as at that time Elizabeth had been married for several years without an issue. Now if mary's cousin had been married for several years and from all indications they were within the same age bracket, there was no way Mary would not have been an adult as at the time she conceived Jesus.

However muslims in trying to justify the paedophile and child molesting acts of their 'prophet' have been spreading this vicious speculative lie about the age of Mary when she conceived Jesus and married Joseph.

[quote author=andersonbaba post=49071615][/quote]Sir, I love your powerful analysis. But have your tried reading some history books that shows the age at which the israelites and the people of those days get married?
Bros, in my research, I further discovered that they give their child up for marriage after their first menstruation.