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Homosexuality has no consequence on humamity I know of, aside d sodom and gomorah story. I haven't seen an example from modern times.

davien:
I'd rather try to find out than accept just any explanation...seems the intellectually honest way to go...

Thank you. Admitting ignorance is better than taking unverified explanations

KingEbukasBlog:
even when it begs for it with concrete evidence ? Is there a trophy for one's unbelief in God .Maybe that's what y'all are vying for . Or maybe you feel calling yourself an atheist makes people see you as a incredulous

ID has no concrete evidence... neither does the existence of a god

[quote author=davidylan post=35792905]2. that the degree of biological complexity is far beyond anything science can ever explain to have occurred purely by chance...
Similar statements were made regarding so many scientific explanations

[quote author=davidylan post=35792905]Oh please stop with the nonsensical whining. Its like you're not capable of reading past your mental block. I just explained at least 3 times that the idea behind ID is firmly rooted in the science...

1. that the statistical probability of random chance creating life is close to zero...
But isn't zero. So is still possible.

Thats d thing u keep missing davidylan... science has no concrete answer as to how life arose thats why it keeps saying "I dont know", which is far more honest than inserting a designer at that point. ID has no proof to assert it claims, it just keeps using THE GOD OF THE GAOS ARGUMENT

davien:
How life began is not known..how species originate by diverging and inheritance of traits is evolution...

Yes!. But ID postulates that all species on earth right now were ready made by a designer.

@davidylan lemme explain how d god of d gaps argument works
my brother and I are arguing 'bout the origin of pasta. He says its chinese, I say its mexican. He looks it up and finds out its not mexican so he claims therefore that it is chinese, without proof that it is chinese. Thats how ID works and dats how you've been arguing. I wasn't trying to mock you, if I was I would have used the term 'argument from ignorance'.

davidylan:
Not really. i keep asking for the science behind your claims that we simply evolved out of nothing and on this planet along... which makes up an inconsequential portion of the universe.

"god of the gaps" may not be a valid argument... "science is still researching" isnt one either... and "just because i say so" is even worse.

science is still reaserching isn't an argument, its a temporary answer. It does better than filling the gaps with "the designer". The god of d gaps argument is intellectual laziness.

@davidylan you keep using the god of the gaps argument...

davidylan:
Last i checked, wikipedia was not an approved scientific textbook in any serious school. You are aware that wikipedia can be written and edited by anyone right? That you can create a page on intelligent design and write whatever you wish and that it is not a peer-reviewed piece of scientific literature right?

I mean i am troubled by the really poor quality of science here to be honest... if wikipedia is your authority then its a wonder we keep getting this type of circuitous logic.

this isn't part of d argument,all I asked was your thoughts on d article. Thats not my authority, just asking for your opinion

@davidylan pls read the wikipedia page on intelligent design and g8ve me your thoughts on it. Pls its just an honest request, your thoughts on d article is all I need.

BTW the theory of evolution doesn't explain d origin of life, but rather the origin of the SPECIES. To the other questions I hav no shame in saying I dont know. It serves better than slotting psuedoscientific work.

davidylan:
What is telling is that you make absolutely no attempt to think about the 4 issues UyiIredia raised. Those are SCIENTIFIC QUESTIONS not simply ID questions. It is easy to dismiss his points simply because you dont like the title of the website, but i think what you're doing is really trying to dodge the real issues by simply calling them ID.

For example... if there was no intelligent design behind the creation of life and we are simply a product of chance... then how do we explain the intricate and complex nature of the way the cell processes information? How do we explain genetic convergence and the issue of "junk DNA"? These are legitimate science questions... you can start by tackling them rather than playing musical chairs while claiming to be all about science.

The fact that d theory of evolution cant (yet) answer those questions doesn't mean you should infer that intelligent design is the answer. That is just using the god of the gaps argument, and that isn't good at all. And if the universe was designed then its designer must be a cosmic prankster, cuz he/she gives us so much evidence pointing to evolution and the big bang.

KingEbukasBlog:
Im sure you have a brain , smart enough to detect a spectacular design as seen in a DNA, or are you here for some merry-go-round ? . As simple as it is , if you think the DNA is not a design , state with cogent reasons why

I've learnt enough to not rely on what I detect when its not proveable and its against scientific concensus . That my friend is called ignorance.

UyiIredia:
(1) Natural structures will be found that contain many
parts arranged in intricate patterns that perform a
specific function (e.g. complex and specified information).

(2) Forms containing large amounts of novel information
will appear in the fossil record suddenly and without
similar precursors.

(3) Convergence will occur routinely. That is, genes and
other functional parts will be re-used in different and
unrelated organisms.

(4) Much so-called "junk DNA" will turn out to perform
valuable functions.

For more explanation check here. ID is not creationism since it's not based on. A Biblical presupposition.

nice intelligent design website with the name evolutionnews.org... I expected to see scientific american or nature or at worst wikipedia.... just another ID site, never an unbiased peer reviewed article. Try again

This is why I have a big problem with religion, it makes ignorance resilient in d face of facts. Someone posted d link on human development index and showed d correlation btw development and secularism yet that wasn't enough to convince some.

Religion tends to taint d morality of an otherwise rational mind. We cringe easily when we hear of or read about d murder or death of children, but we dont have problem with 43 children killed by bears unleashed by a "man of god".
Many suicide bombers kill themselves because they have d strong conviction dat they are saving themselves and they're loved ones a space in paradise ( because of a belief in d afterlife and d blessings confered upon d jihadist.)
Religion does more harm than good.

davidylan:
this is an intellectually lazy assumption. Considering that there are at least 1 billion christians on earth, that America's population is roughly about 300 million (83% of whom claim to be christian)... i'm not sure how approximately 249 million of 1 billion translates to "most" (and that is assuming that every christian in America identifies as conservative).

The problem is that the atheist alternative is no better... it is simply a different set of beliefs (grounded in blind faith), wrapped in poorly understood pseudo-science to give it a veneer of credibility.

Before you demand the predictions made by ID, kindly tell us how the big bang led to the DNA... thanks.

notice how I said proponents not adherents... kindly google Intelligent design and read it up... try wikipedia... intelligent design is psuedo-scientific at best and isn't accepted by any unbiased peer reviewed journal

johnydon22:
The mistake you made is that you replied his posts on the creation of the universe as if atheism also entails accounts on how the universe or anything came to be...Nope.

Atheism is just a word that is used to refer to the position of disbelief in gods. . . its not a philosophical position or proposes any analogy on anything... Big bang theory is a scientific theory not atheistic, so you owe him no explanation on it, nothing stops anyone from reading scientific works.

You should have simply told him "That he doesn't know how things started doesn't mean he can assume up any absurd solution he can come up with an expect any rational human being to believe him" then leave him to count the price himself.

thanks

UyiIredia:
Intelligent design doesn't fill gaps. It makes an inference based on what we see humans do. If science indeed can say "I don't know" it should admit the problem with abiogenesis and consider intelligent design. If you think ID hasn't made predictions and postdictions you are ignorant about the theory.

Its sad you just called intelligent design a theory. ID is just a fancy name for creationism and most of its (known) proponents are conservative christian americans (tells you a lot). I'll honestly like to see d predictions or postdictions it has made. Kindly post them here.

@ragnar what your saying isn't really parallel.... the sect is an islamic sect with islamic visions and everyone except you has seen that. Its extremist YES. Its not d best representation of islam YES. But whether you like it or not it is an islamic sect with exclusive muslim membership.

Same goes for the big bang, it has its gaps but is the prevailling model for the universe (on scientific consensus)

The fact dat the rise of dna is inexplicable doesn't destroy d whole theory of evolution... theres a reason why it is considered a theory and intelligent design is not. Every sound theory is able to predict and postdict phenomenon within its discourse, we've seen evolution do it several times, intelligent design hasn't done it once. We dont get d whole dna issue right now, doesn't mean we cant. The beauty of science is its ability to say "I dont know". Stop filling d gaps with intelligent design

I think if I compile the stories of people who said they hated the taste of eba b4 they died tragically it will be by far longer than this.

Always eat your eba.
Never say eba is not sweet.
be warned

Even if a god (being complex enough to create the universe and all d life within it and exist outside of space and time) exists, it makes no case for any religion in d world. A being dat complex wont be bothered whether one sex of one specie of primate it created covered its hair or not or whether that same specie of primate got down on their knees to praise it.

Demmzy15:
My own is that they ain't Muslims, call them anything!

All the members of both sects are muslim... both sects take only muslims. I have never heard , read or seen anything that suggests otherwise. And the leader of ISIS, bagdadhi (is dat d spelling?) declared himself leader of all muslims worldwide

Jagoon:
So the whole world created itself abi

Even if we entertain d idea of a being comlex enough to create d universe.
so far so good we haven't encountered such a being, so it is safe to say he,she, it doesn't exist. And by the way, the big bang theory is as far as we've gotten in answering d how question of d universe... not some shabby seven day creation

Demmzy15:
Calm down, please specify o. Have it at the back of your mind that neither ISIS nor BokoHaramm or their cohorts are fighting Jihad because they aren't Muslims. So let's compare the First Crusades and the Khalifah Umar's War with the Byzantine in which Jerusalem was captured. OK?!

both ISIS n boko haram are islamist ... call a friggin spade a spade

Both jihad and crusade are senseless

johnydon22:

Religion looks forward to the destruction of the world,
perhaps half aware that it's unsupported argument are not entirely persuasive.
And perhaps uneasy about it's own accumulation of temporal wealth and power.
Religion has never ceased to proclaim the Apocalypse and judgement which on its own has never ceased to stop failing

every single time they see a new sign,
every number every letter,
to them signals an end time.
This apocalypse mentality will get nigerians killed.

Came in only yesterday, but I've already witness the growing atheist community in nigeria... feels good I'm not alone.