₦airaland Forum

kevomtaani:
Tanzania is not ahead of Kenya in tourism never has been. Tanzania gets more tourists during election years in Kenya only, 2017 being a prime example.

Kenya has more hotels than Tanzania,
Kenya has an airport that is well serviced by all major world airlines and local ones too.
Tanzania doesn't have this.
Kenya has an existence of high domestic tourism and better rates for locals during off peak season. Tanzania doesn't.
I was doing a project in a hotel in Zanzibar February of this year in kiwengwa. The hotel was at capacity. majority of occupants were foreigners. All African guests were Kenyans. In the same Hotel the in house nurse, engineer,accountant and storekeepers were all kenyans despite being an international chain of hotels what does that tell you?

Let start with tourism, then hotel.

Austine1212:
2017?

Is your turn now to show the muscles.

kevomtaani:
Get me right. Why would I as an investor worth 100mn usd put my money in Tanzania over Kenya? name any sector one would do that.

You can build a hotel in Tanzania. Because tourism sector bigger than Kenya.
Also Kenya is not a peaceful country to invest.
Political stability. Kenya is not stable.
Corruption in Kenya is normal. But in Tanzania corruption is dead.

From that point is better you build hotel in Tanzania than in Kenya.

Just few point.

Abohboy:
Evidence, please like revenue made from it, percentage of GDP. That these account for and how many people work in the sectors. And the amount of people employed in it. Thank you.

What are you talking about!? Which evidence do you want!? Which sector do you want!?
We are comparing Kenya and Tanzania.
Okay!?

Austine1212:
Real estate, hotel, agri, lifestock and many more Tanzania is behind

Friend you need to go outside the box.
Let start with real estate
Real this
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/World-Bank-Dar-es-Salaam-real-estate-Nairobi/2560-3807578-view-asAMP-vxyc0bz/index.html

kevomtaani:

Okay..in what sector is Tanzania ahead of Kenya?
as in me as investor X tell me why I should put my money in Tanzania over Kenya?

Tanzania offers:
Tourism, Real Estate, Hotel, Industry, Transportation, Construction, Mining, Agriculture, Livestock and many more.
I have proof

rvp20182:
Yes, I never doubted his intention, just that the road to hell is paved with good intention. Nyerere was like Magufuli but he left the country bankrupt. Recklessness like the COVID-19 could be very costly.

Boy. You are in a darkness.
1. We are building Electrified SGR
2. We are building Hydro power dam
3. Our airline now is working
4. Our GDP this year grows by 6%
5. We are building a new city in Dodoma
6. We are building BRT phase ii And phase iii in dar es salaam
7. We are building 1.3km bridge passing through Indian ocean. Called Tanzanite bridge in Dar es salaam
8. We are building 3km bridge in lake Victoria called kigongo - busisi bridge.
9. We are building big ship in lake Victoria called MV mwanza
10. We are building electrified commuter railway in Dar es salaam.
11. We are building health center all over the country.

12. We have already built four new radars.

And many more.
I have proof I will post them.

kevomtaani:
Ivory coast is somewhat okay save for the fighting they would have been ahead of many countries in Africa.
Senegal,Gabon and any other francophone speaking African countries are nowhere near Tanzania that I can attest to. Fyi I'm not Tanzanian

Kenya used to be ahead of Tanzania long time ago.
But not now my friend. We are far far ahead of Kenya.
What now Kenya doing is to put bad image in media about Tanzania.

But the fact is, Kenya is our neighbor, we not them. They still have past mentality. We used to depend on them for industrial goods.

But nowadays, things are changing, nothing we buy from Kenya.

They don't have any fact at all. Past mentality killing them slowly.

rvp20182:
Impressive. Magufool seems to be working. Hired nearly 2000 doctors in five years.

So what a problem with that!?
It took 6 years to qualify a medical doctor level.
This show us the level of your stupidity.


I know is hurting you, jealousy and envy killing you slowly.

Austine1212:
Tanzania is as useless as chad

They so backward

Pwahahaha.

If we are useless, why is hurting you so deeply!?
Are you a Tanzanian!? No
We Tanzanians enjoy good services.
We are not doing to empress anyone.

We are building our Nation.

rvp20182:
Wait for HOHOHO from KaziKazi who is holed up in one of Joburg's slums pushing drugs for Nigerian drug lords.

Boy we are not jobless as you Kenyans.
People are on work.

Austine1212:
What's the use of quoting me on something i don'tdon't understand

Liar Odinga
You can use google help you translation.
In Tanzania we speak Kiswahili. So if you want to know any information about Tanzania you need to learn Kiswahili.

This year February Government employed specialists in Healthy sector. More than 16,000 Tanzanians

https://habarileo.co.tz/habari/2020-02-205e4ebfc485f64.aspx

Austine1212:
Lol are all Tanzanians this stupid

Please do calculate

I know you speak and read Kiswahili.
Boy you have a colonial mentality about Tanzania.
Kenya has nothing to tell Tanzania
Read this year
https://www.vaticannews.va/sw/world/news/2020-02/siku-madaktari-tanzania-2020-tanzania-kuwekeza-zaidi-sekta-afya.html

Austine1212:
Prove me wrong

Liar Odinga

rvp20182:
Just a correction

For kenya - Latest data puts ratio at 1:6,355

https://africacheck.org/reports/as-help-from-cuba-arrives-is-there-only-one-kenyan-doctor-for-every-16000-people/

Kenya population is 47m while Tanzania 60M
Get the point!?

Austine1212:
Swahili is a regional language, spoken in east africa. Swahili has so much atabic influence

Proof and evidence of 5000 public clinics

I am sorry to say this you are ignorant.
You don't know Kiswahili is among of
AU languages!?
Kiswahili is among of SADC languages.

Oh Liar Odinga

Austine1212:
According to the World Health organization, the Tanzanian doctor-to-patient ratio stands at 1 doctor for every 20,000 patients. In Kenya, it's 1 doctor for every 16,000. The recommended doctor-patient ratio is one to 300

Can you attach the proof

Liar Odinga

Austine1212:
There are currently approximately 3,250 public dispensaries in Tanzania, in comparison to 340 public Health Centers.


Of the 269 hospitals in the country, 120 are public under the Ministry of Health Community Development Gender Elderly and Children, the military and parastatal organisations. The remaining 149 are privately owned either by faith-based organisations, private-for-profit or non-governmental organisations.

https://www.urban.org › publication

Boy those I attached are not dispensary

Austine1212:
Thats still far from 1000


I want new not renovated

Boy that is phase IV 346
You wanted list with names
Just wait the list. Okay boy

Health center renovation phase IV
Tanzania. List and names

Austine1212:
The list of names of the 1000 clinics they claimed?

I thin the job of counting is yours
Tanzania health center renovation phase IV

Austine1212:
The list of names of the 1000 clinics they claimed?

Good let start:
This is Tanzania list of renovated health center phase IV 2018

rvp20182:
Ask Magufool to provide your evidence and attachment - and come and share. The rest of us are in black out on what is happening in little North Korea to our south.

In short you are liar.

rvp20182:
I can never run out of evidence

Tanzania is a LIC in East Africa with a population of 57 million [26]. Availability of Intensive Care Units is very limited —none of seven district hospitals surveyed in 2009 had ICUs and the four national referral hospitals had a total of only 38 ICU beds

That was about 10yrs ago. I hope you have improved from 38 ICUS beds

Oh!! Slum boy
Do you know the meaning of the word evidence?
Do you know the meaning of the word Attachment?
I told you to give me evidences.
Whatever you talk about Tanzania please please attach the proof.
Are we together!?

rvp20182:
Evidence of what? I gave you example of renal units. Only 28 functioning in a country the size of Nigieria. I can imagine if a kidney patient is sick in Kagera providence - and he has to travel all the way to Dar..2,000kms...maybe... for dialysis.

I have asked you to provide us evidence beyond buildings of working hospitals - with modern radiology, theatres, ICUS and the works.

Also, provide us with statistics about doctors and medical personnel.

We know in Communist North Korea - you'll get shown the buildings - but people are dying.

Like now COVID-19 is probably killing a lot of your people and nobody knows because you gov has enacted a dictatorship.

Oh!! Slum boy
You are writing many words with no sense.
I told you whenever you talk about Tanzania, please attach the evidences.

Unless otherwise you are liar.

rvp20182:
Silly Jibes don't work on me. Ask the Nigerians. Magufooli is the guy who denies COVID-19, has enacted a dictatorship, and wrecked your economy. He fudges statistics and nothing is believable in your little North Korea.

Oh!!! Slum boy!! We are talking about Hospitals and Doctors. I demand evidence, now you are starting different argument.

Do you have evidence or not!?

Mr Liar Odinga

obaaderemi:
Another lie.

Yes this guy is a liar.

rvp20182:
Very good start with Magufooli but I want to challenge you to go beyond the hospital buildings - and make sure in the next 5yrs - no patient is referred to Nairobi - by equiping your hospitals with medical devices and personnel.

Oh dear Slum boy
See who is Magufooli here!?
I told you whatever you talk about Tanzania give us evidences. Don't just mention Tundu Lisu.
You are convincing me that you are Liar Odinga

rvp20182:
Tanzania can never match kenya in anything. That you already know. DarSlums we know beyond the few gov scrappers is like West Africa cities - a SLUMPOLIS. So don't even go to slums. You entire city if you remove tiny CBD is one HUGE SLUMPOLIS.

But a good job in Ghana....you are peers.

Back to healthcare.

All hospitals are essentially referral of a sort. Dispensary refers patients to Health Center that refers patients to sub-county hospitals then to district then to regional then to national. Tanzania then refers patients to Kenya

Now let me help you with Kenya.we have a level of hospitals classified by Kenya Medical board.

We say the hospital is level 2, 3,4, 5, 6. Each level is determined by the number of doctors and equipment. Just like you have Tourism Board going round rating hospitals are 1, 2, 3,4, 5 and even 6 stars.

Level 6 like Kenyatta - still receives patients from all over East Africa - including TZ.

The lowest is Level 2 Hospital

The hospitals in this category are health centres, dispensaries, medical and dental clinics, eye and Ear, Nose and Throat (ENT) clinics.

Dispensaries serve up to 10,000 patients and are managed by two general clinical officers assisted by six registered community health nurses and a pharmaceutical technologist.

For recordkeeping, the facility must employ at least two clerks and a health records information management officer.

Other workers are two medical laboratory technologists, a nutritionist and a dietician.

Services offered are outpatient, emergency maternity, basic laboratory, and minor surgical procedures.

It is also at the dispensary that food quality, safety and fortification advocacy, school health programmes or outreach and population management services are done.

Oh!! Slum boy
Did I say Tanzania try to match with Kenya!?
Tanzania is working for her people. You have your way, we have ours.

Do you think we are comparing with you!? No no no no dear. We just want to provide good services to our people.

Don't lose your energy trying to compare with a giant like Tanzania.
Kenya is a county of Kenyatta family.

And in addition, can you attach evidences with whatever you talk about Tanzania!?

rvp20182:
Another thing Tanzania needs to do is to get doctors in those hospitals. Otherwise, they will become ghost buildings. Kenya is ahead in terms of training of doctors but we recently had to import 100 Cuban doctors..that we pay highly. Each sent to man 100 public hospitals. Those 100 hospitals we also leased medical equipment from Generic Eletrici, Philips, name them - to avoid having broken down ct-scan or renal unit or name it.

In short, hospitals are more than buildings.

Oh!! Slum boy. You are brainwashed
Can you give me the evidences of this claim!?
That Tanzania does not have doctors!?

Do you have any tangible evidence!?

rvp20182:
I prefer a number of public hospitals with saying renal dialysis, radiology (ct-scan, mri, etc), icus, theatre. Kenya equipped about 100 hospital with all that...and we pay very expensively for that...medical leasing scheme. The thing we know African gov can build a hospital - but getting an hospital that is working is something else. The fact is most patients in Tanzania are still referred to Nairobi.

My little research show you got 59 dialysis machien from Saudi Arabi.

Btw what distinction btw TZ refferal, regional, district and low level hospitals.

Oh!! You are Kenyan
Slum boy.
I know how to deal with you.
First, I want you to be specific, what do you want.
Then after we compare side by side.
In our country(Tanzania) we have category of health center.
We name them in Swahili.
Most of health centers are public and few are private.

We start with:-
1. Zahanati
2. Kituo cha Afya
3. Hospitali ya wilaya
4. Hospitali ya rufaa ya wilaya
5. Hospitali ya mkoa
6. Hospitali ya Rufaa ya mkoa
7. Hisoitali ya Kanda
8. Hispitali maalum
9. Hospitali ya rufaa ya Taifa.

rvp20182:
Look like magfool is trying.I hope these are not hospital building without equipment and staffing.How many have radiology, icu,renal, etc equipment..not just beds and nurses.Hospital is more than a building..it's not an office complex.Getting right working equipment is toughest part

This is a district hospital
Hydom (Mbulu district, Manyara region Tanzania)
CT Scan
https://fullshangweblog.co.tz/2019/09/04/haydom-yapata-mashine-mpya-ya-ct-scan/