₦airaland Forum

bigtt76:
Listen here ...for the record I'm NOT PDP or APC or whatever political parties around. The question we ought to be asking ourselves is of what use is a Security Detail?

The security details are just to make our big men really feel big and protect them from those of us they are looting.
Pure & simple.
Hence not enough police men for the real crime prevention & law enforcement duties for the benefit of the populace.

egift:
1. Jonathan meant every word when he said that Stealing is not Corruption.

This case of Amaechi's wife:

https://www.nairaland.com/1971140/breaking-how-amaechis-wife-swindled

demonstrates the clear distinction between stealing and corruption that clueless people do not understand.

Omimah:
Tambuwal is not just a member, but also the Speaker of the House. PDP has the right to drag him to the court. On how long this would last, the court will decide.

The KEY issue most people seem to miss out is that you MUST first be a member in order to be elected Speaker.
So if one dumps the party that sponsored him and IF that party decides to pursue him in court he RISKS not being a member any longer hence you cannot even be eligible ab initio to be a Speaker.
Hope you see how this flows.

Anyway I wish this PARTICULAR rogue plenty of luck in dealing with his fellow rogues on both sides of the party divide.

Omimah:
Tambuwal understands the Constitution, and knows that section 50 (1) (a) does not say the Speaker must emerge from the party with majority. Rather he should be a member of the House.

And for how long will he be a member if PDP drags him to court

efilefun:
Later na people like una go dey shout say Nigerian leaders are lawless... Have u ever read the constitution before? where was it written that once he changes party he would lose his post? Dont forget this dude was a lawyer and he knows every before taking that step, Dont worry soon una GEJ go postrate before am just like LAMIDO

You mean like OBJoke who prostrated and begged Atiku for his 2nd term ticket

mrspeaker:
I can't believe that people in this country failed to understand that been a speaker has nothing to do with party it a collective agreement or vote by d house to decide who lead dem.FG does not av d power to poke nose in legislative affairs.

Please tell us EXACTLY how the FG is poking its nose into legislative affairs

Meanwhile you may wish to note that the legislative arm is an INTEGRAL part of the FG, which also has the INDEPENDENT judiciary and executive as the two other SEPARATE arms.

bigtt76:
Childish behavior ...Tambuwal is STILL the speaker! US assigns security details to every presidential candidate irrespective of fheir political affiliations, in Nigeria it is withdrawn ...#foolish behavior ...issorite

Thank you for comparing Nigeria with the US.
Can you also tell us-

- if the DISPARITY between the US minimum wage and the pay for political office holders is the same with Nigeria's N18,000 to N27 million for our legisLOOTERS

- if their presidential candidates take unsecured loan to buy their nomination form

You see why Reuters UK described us as ignorant, backward, uncivilised etc

berem:
what truth? Your president was insulted and you call it truth? Please pretend to sensible even if it is for one hour.

The president was not insulted to the extent that he emerged from among Nigerians APPROPRIATELY described in the article.
Is this not correct

datguru:
He is lucky they didnt beat him to death

He is NOT lucky to be alive.
He was dealt with by more or less LAWFUL people who know that when someone has infringed your rights you hand him over to the law enforcement agents for proper prosecution and sentencing rather than practice JUNGLE justice of un-evolved monkeys & gorillas.

ISpiksDaTroof:
You do know that Reuters basically called Nigerians ignorant, backwards and uncivilized with this article, right? Especially with the first 3 paragraphs.

Are they far from the truth

AZeD1:
Do you need to answer the ethnicity question before you can get tribe number?

Yes!
Or how do you know how many people in any ethnic group if the statistics is not available from the census database derived from the completed forms

AZeD1:
Consult the 2006 census for a guide.

Do our census forms have the ethnicity question

Gbawe:
Welcomed urban development programme. This has to be phased-in throughout Nigeria to complement or replace slums and old towns/settlements that are not optimally viable today.

What stops us from making them viable for TOURISM as our "superior" oyinbo fellow homo sapiens have done
Are there not many old cities in today's big name metropolis that attract millions of visitors every year with hard currency to boost the local economy and create EMPLOYMENT?

barcanista:
It is for the PDP to prove that there was no division as at when he defected. However, this applies to MEMBERS. The removal of SPEAKER is very clear

* Can someone be a Speaker without first being a Member of the HoR
* How can he continue to be Speaker IF the court asks him to vacate his seat in the HoR

texazzpete:
'Dairy', huh? So you sell milk based products?

Na wah for you oh! As I come see your response na im I say make I go check whether na female be the poster wey get profile photo for confirm if she get am for parmalat source abi na sauce paapa

barcanista:
Guy the Powers of States' DPP and the AGF is for criminal offences. The DPP do not have the powers to prosecute Financial Crime, it is ONLY the SFU, EFCC and ICPC. Stop spamming my mentions Go enlighten yourself on the Powers of the Police via the Police Act and also EFCC's Powers via the EFCC's Act and other related Laws. You like to argue blindly. What is my business with Obj>? Always off-point

Thank you for encouraging me to do further quick research on the subject of Police, EFCC etc prosecuting someone in a court of law. You are partially correct to the extent that while they have the constitutional power, they can be overridden by the Attorney General of a state or the federation =>

What rights does the Nigeria Police have to prosecute suspect in court?

Well, that is well settled. The Supreme Court settled the matter in the case of Federal Republic of Nigeria V Osahon which is reported in part 973 in 5 NWLR 2006 at page 361. The Supreme Court interpreted the provision of Section 23 of the Police Act which gives the police power to prosecute. It says a police officer may conduct prosecution in any court whether or not the information or complaint is laid in his name. In that case the Supreme Court reverse the Court of appeal. So what you have is that generally, police has the right to prosecute before any court of law. And then they can take their case up to Supreme Court.

Now what is left is for that right that is subject to the overriding power of the Attorney general to take over any prosecution. Either to discontinue or continue. And I think sometimes, that is what the Attorney general use to control the power of police. Sometimes he asks the police to send files to him and then takes over the matter the police is investigating or prosecuting. He can take deliberate steps to stop the police like what happened in Portharourt Rivers State where the Attorney general asked for the file of a case of one of the House of Assembly men being prosecuted by the police and the police refused. The next thing is Attorney general went to court and enters the nolle prosequi (terminating the case). So police can prosecute, but the Attorney General both at the state of federal level have overriding power to discontinue a case.

More from: http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/features/law/181071-reform-of-police-act-is-long-overdue-says-kehinde

My point on this thread remains VALID, to wit; the state House of Assembly has adequate authority to order an independent investigation that will form the basis of an impeachment process.

Shouting EFCC, ICPC etc is a cop out that we must not allow for our elected public servants at the state level to get away with any longer.

barcanista:
Mr. the Office of the Public Prosecutors and State's Attorney Generals does not have jurisdiction over matters that relates to special cases such as financial fraud, bribery, public theft perpetrated by government officials and civil servants etc. That Powers lies in the hands of The Police, Through the Special Fraud Unit, the ICPC and the EFCC.

Not even the NASS have such power.

Those law ENFORCEMENT agencies have the authority to INVESTIGATE but they do NOT have the authority to prosecute anyone in a court of law. They investigate and hand over the case file to the Office of the Prosecutor.
You can check, verify and let me know.

BTW, I hope you are aware that the EFCC is simply a POLITICAL duplication (created by OBJoke) of the exact functions of the Special Fraud Unit (SFU) of the Police

barcanista:
Rightly said, but they can only investigate and not PROSECUTE. That Powers lies in EFCC, the Police and ICPC.
We are talking of LG Chairmen that enjoys no immunity, neither do the First Lady. EFCC should act

For your further information =>

Directorate of Public Prosecutions

The Directorate of Public Prosecutions of Lagos State was established by a gazette No 4 published on the 4th of July 1968. This was after the creation of Lagos State in 1967. Prior to this time the Prosecution of State offences was done by Prosecutors of the Federal Ministry of Justice, then in the Federal territory of Lagos.

The 1963 Republican Constitution specifically created an office of the Directorate of Public Prosecutions (DPP) as a separate and distinct office in the public service of the federation. This autonomy gave the DPP fairly wide discretion in deciding whether to prosecute in any particular case or not.

In the present dispensation, the general supervisory power over criminal proceedings in Nigeria at both State and Federal levels is constitutionally vested in the Attorney General of the Federation and a State by virtue of Sections 174 and 211 respectively, of the 1999 Constitution.

The State counsels in Directorate of Public Prosecutions are the officers of the Attorney-General through whom he exercises his criminal prosecutorial powers in respect of State officers.

More from: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagemenus.php?p=668&k=

Most of us still have the military DICTATORSHIP mentality where everything starts and stops with the MAXIMUM RULER despite our constitutional provisions that are usually suspended once they succeed in their COUP.

Let me repeat again, we are in a DEMOCRACY with substantial autonomy for the state's independent INSTITUTIONS to function as provided for in our constitution.

barcanista:
Rightly said, but they can only investigate and not PROSECUTE. That Powers lies in EFCC, the Police and ICPC.
We are talking of LG Chairmen that enjoys no immunity, neither do the First Lady. EFCC should act

The Office of the Prosecutor is in every state. You can confirm that the Lagos state Prosecutor's office prosecuted Al-Mustapha.

Ibnsultan:
what then will the call obasanjo who introduce it

Please tell us how did Obasanjo introduce Sharia

omenka:
Somebody remind me again, how many revelations of wanton theft and looting of states and FG treasury have we had in the last five years

Now, somebody please remind me, who are the people charged with the responsibility to investigate and prosecute such cases

Now tell me again, how many people have been convicted by these people charged with that responsibility in the last five years


Yeye dey smell.

Since you are asking, permit me to respond-

- the State House of Assembly, which also can hire an independent investigator and if necessary impeach the governor.

May I also remind you that this is a DEMOCRACY with substantial autonomy to the states!

Jarus:
He doesn't lose anything if he is impeached. His tenure will end within few months and he will be sworn in as Sokoto State governor by same May 2015 God willing.

Ok, at worst, he will lose speakership position between now and May - 7 months.

What do you say about Femi Pedro being impeached as Deputy Governor by Ogbeni Ojuyobo's LASHA even after he resigned a few weeks to elections

barcanista:
My Mother's Philosophy

If dem send 1 zillion likes to your mother you go fit deliver am

barcanista:
Majority means majority members, which most times majority party unite to produce the Peaker to their advantage. That does it mean that it is a Must for the ruling party(majority party) to produce the speaker

I quite agree with you that it is not a MUST that the majority party produce the Speaker. However I also take note of the highlighted portion of your statement.

It is obvious that Tambuwal is relying on PDP not getting enough votes (2/3rd) to impeach him as required by our constitution. I also do not expect that to happen and I hope PDP does not push it. This is a very good thing as it strengthens our democracy, the same way Atiku's challenge of Obasanjo's illegal plans to remove him as VP did. Moreover when APC will be in the same situation we will be more than ready to refer to this scenario.

What goes round, comes around, no matter how long it takes.
That is why MORE civilized societies/groups learn to respect the LAW at all times.

barcanista:
What is lawful? Did the Law Specify that Majority Party produce the Speaker?

Can the minority elect the Speaker of the House

edgyslim:
10 bucks says if our able Gov. Fashola joins pdp you won't make the above comment.

Is Fashola elected Speaker of the LASHA by the majority of members

edgyslim:
PDP and petty politics. I only pray God gives their minions on this forum the fortitude to bear the loss.

This is not about 'petty politics' it is about doing what is not only honourable but LAWFUL.

Perhaps you know an assembly of lawmakers where someone from a minority party is Speaker. Hope you won't mind sharing such information with us

We black people need to learn to behave like civilised folks who make rules and follow them even when TEMPORARILY inconvenient instead of doing JUNGLE justice at will as if we are yet to evolve & distinguish ourselves from our primate ancestors

Omimah:
Do you know that the Speaker doesn't take part in debates?

What is your source of this information?
Please share.
Thanks.

Omimah:
Do speakers sponsor bills?

Yes as can be seen for the American Speaker John Boehner. Kindly recall that our constitution is modeled after that of America.

Legislation Sponsored or Cosponsored by John A. Boehner

1-25 of 1,868

From: https://www.congress.gov/member/john-boehner/102

For how much longer shall we continue to promote those who add NO value to our body politic

honeric01:
Google is your friend, no time preaching to someone who has his ears blocked with a studio headphone

I did already and saw NOTHING hence I was hoping you knew his record more intimately than Google.
Was I mistaken

dplomaticVal:
whether he joins apc or apga.
he still has that pdp indelible mark of thiefery and looting in him

Not at all.
Once you have crossed over into the Arewa People's Congress, APC you are born-to-gain, old things are passed away and you are confirmed as a progreTHIEF.