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Their were many things but one example is they knew how to fight against malaria and smallpo before the white man

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PhysicsQED: That says it all right there.

Think about those oil barons in oil producing areas in the south in the U.S.
Think of the cotton plantation owners in slavery times.

Were those people really brilliant businessmen? Not really. Some of the African businessmen, especially the oil millionaires, fall into that "not really brilliant" category that some of those early American businessmen did.

Granted there are/were many real brilliant businessmen and women in America in certain areas of industry in America, those people have/had full access to and integration with the larger society and all of its resources, and some of them even had influential connections to lawmakers. That kind of integration with the larger society is what you have in Africa that allows for millionaires and billionaires to spring up in "traditional" areas in Africa, but which makes it hard for the same thing to happen to black Americans in the U.S. Look at how Sir Louis Ojukwu started - transportation. Look at how the Dantata dynasty started - with kola nuts, ground nut, livestock, etc. Those people were able to exploit a vacuum that existed for something that was needed/greatly desired in their immediate community. Look at the bankers, media moguls, telecommunications moguls. It's the same thing. For African Americans to come up with a product needed or wanted nationwide would be far more difficult in my opinion because they don't have that full immersion into the larger American society so they can't predict that what is really needed or wanted or see as easily what areas they can tap into and exploit to make their millions or billions.

I agree with this statement, you are right and to be honest I think it is too late actually for African Americans even if they immersed themselves in the the American society because almost or most every product I can think of in America has already been produced by white Americans(white men) or stolen to a extent as their own. Kraft, coca cola, and etc are owned by white men, look at the Hiltons, Rockafeller and etc but at the sametime that doesn't mean they can't try it in the Caribbean where to a extent somethings have been untouched by the white men.

Fulaman198: I don't mean to sound boastful/prideful but Dangote is just following his Fulani roots, Fulani believe in giving back and not being selfish and share as much as they can. Americans (whites, blacks, Hispanic, etc.) believe in a more selfish/individualistic culture and believe if they are helping others out it is a bad thing. They feel that others don't want to work which is a lie, the truth is is that they are being selfish.

It is more of a cultural thing, in Fulani culture (and other true TRADITIONAL African cultures) if you are selfish, you are shunned. In American/Western culture, if you are selfish people think it is the right thing to do.

You have a point but what would you say about those selfish illiterate African leaders of today; look at Mugabe that guy is selfish as they come, the same with the leaders in Gabon, even Nigerian is not immune to this(ex. Abacha), and way I agree with your assessment to a extent because the people I mentioned to a extent are government leaders and illiterate, the ones that are literate and educated tend to have the ideals as you mentioned and that includes the wealthy of that background. Although that is the case you did bring up a valid point when it comes to the differences between wealthy African Americans vs. wealthy Black Africans but it is not black and white as you make it seemed it is very complex and a little of gray

cshall1120: Let me first say that I have come to understand Nigerian culture and respect it. It believe if you are Christian we are all sons and daughters of Christ making us sisters and brothers in Christ. Furthermore, Im African American which means that somewhere along the line in our heritage we are family. I understand how serious marriage is and that it should not be entered into lightly... I understand that in Nigerian culture it is a very serious concern who your first born son marries. But how serious it is that because he is Yoruba that she be Yoruba too. Forgot that this person genuinely loves my child. Forget that this person could be ordained by God for my child. Forget this person make my child very happy. Forget they are respectful to me, my culture, and they love and fear God. You hold to these standards because this is the way it has always been done and this is the way i was raise. Smh, this doesnt make it right are okay. But fine. Its that serious okay. Actually I find it very hypocritical, and how are you hold your son to such high standards threatening to disown him if he dates a women that is African American and be so judgmental when you yourself married to a man that is not your first born father meaning she was married before and divorced. So she was once a single divorced mother. And your current husband had chosen to marry you in spite of those things. And this to is held to the same high standards in your culture...... I dont have any kids. Im just not Nigerian...how can she judge when someone has had grace upon you.... So that much grace and understanding should you have for someone else. Has she not read about the man in the Bible who was forgiven of his debt but did not show the same forgiveness to someone who owed him...Did she not know the God punished him and the debt that was forgiven was no longer forgiven for him.... Do you not know that the same measure you give in life will be measured back to you? This is just plain HYPOCRITICAL

I am sorry but I disagree with the last part you said because this is not hypocritical, culture has nothing to do with what you listed you boyfriend mother did. this is personal choice and culture regardless of who the mother had her first kid with or did and who the second husband is, in the end of the day she still had the kids with a Nigerian of her tribe which is Yoruba. If she hadn't and married a non-nigerian(non-Yoruba specifically) or something then I would say your assessment is correct that she is a hypocrite but since she stayed with her culture regardless of other stuff she does then she practices what she preaches, so she is not a hypocrite. So your thread title is wrong. I wish you good luck though but I was raised the same way(to marry your own) and my parents practiced what they preached. Old world cultures from Asian to African cultures are like this, it is alien to western world people such as African Americans but that is just the way it is, this is something I have noticed some not all black diasporians tend not to get or care or bother to understand. That doesn't mean that one side is wrong, it just means some cultures practice things differently from other.

I wish you good luck though but I would advise you to caution; most Nigerian mothers are not changed from their opinion when it comes to things like this, they may pretend but in the end of the day most stay with what they feel culturally.

Fulaman198: Correct, I agree with this, it is more of a personal choice. Most people are worried about venturing outside of their culture and are worried about losing their language if marrying someone outside of their culture and other cultural aspects.

I agree 100% with this, this is about culture and personal choice, people don't like venturing outside their culture because of fear of losing their culture and in most cases that fear has happened, it is the plain truth.

what do you think?

To be honest I feel it depends on the african country or culture however in the end of the day african men tend to date or marry out more then african women but still low in general with africans whether they are men and women. In general most african women mingle with african women from their country or other countries, many want to marry men from their culture, many but not all stay away from african american men and I can say the samething for many african american men as well(except for horn of african women) who stay away from african women, also the way some african american men have treat their women as second fiddle compared to non-black women turns african women off, and many african parents are not accepting of their daughters being with african american men.

Although that is the case from my observation I do see african women of certain cultures go out with and marry african american men, but they tend to be from southern african countries, or countries like Cape Verde(african Island), Liberia, Sierrea leone, & Gambia but if it is from North Africa, East Africa(specifically Horners) and West African countries except for the three I mentioned it is pretty low. It depends on the culture and tribe. To me the reason I feel this happens is because southern african countries have similarities to african americans in certain things then other african countries. So you will see more south african women, Liberian and sierrea leone women getting with african american men then for example a Ethiopian, Nigerian, and etc women. Even though that is the case, it is still low amongst african women in all regions in general, but I have seen some african women from certain parts of africa(the parts I mentioned earlier) hook up with african american men but low though. It doesn't surprise me because Liberia are basically historically cousins to african americans and south africans have a similar history to a extent to african americans, so I feel that adds to it.

I don't think it is a walk in the park for african men though though but they easily date and at times marry outside their culture then african women however I have seen issues with african men when it comes to this that it leads to divorce. From my observation the african american women/african man couples that tend to last particularly from Nigeria are the ones where the wife adapts to the culture & let go some of that independent women attitude from them, if that doesn't happen then 99% of the time it leads to divorce unless the african man lets go of his culture(I have seen examples of that but very LOW).

For me I was born in America but my parents are Nigerian(Yoruba) & I only dated Nigerian men, a few of them dated out of their culture but majority of them have expressed that they would only marry a Nigerian women from their tribe. For me I just want to stay with in my culture and build a family with my culture, it is just the way it is.