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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:06am On Sep 01, 2022
Fireside

4-2-2-2 / 3-5-2 / 3-4-3 Good Ideas wrong time

If you have been keen on chelsea formations in recent games, you'd discern base formations being played by chelsea. The said formations have been interchanged between games to an extend that people have been mistaking roles played by players during games.

Following two consective losses against lower table opponents, the argument amongst chelsea fans has been whether its the formation , the tactics or the players that are to blame. The truth is, all of this things are to blame.

Be it 4-2-2-2 Or 3-4-3 or 3-5-2, These formations are mostly good ideas but deployed in a wrong way and a wrong time.

With the current profile of players chelsea has, I'd say the 4-2-2-2 Could bring the best of the chelsea fast paced attacking unit of Sterling, Broja & maybe Havertz because of the spaces it opens upfront. It could also give players like Pulisic and Mount room to flourish in supportive roles behind them. For creative players, it gives them room to practice their wizardry in most one vs one senarios created through out.

But...
The challenge with this formation is it needs two outright ball winning midfielders as I had pointed before in an ealier post. Having people like Jorginho, Gallagher and even Kovacic just infront of the defensive line is comical and tragic. This guys have specialities in other aspect of midfield but not all out defensive duties. People hate it but the truth is, the only almost like to like replacement we have for Ngolo is Gallagher. And its only him, Kante and Ampadu in the current squad that can play this role. James and Koulibaly can also slot in this role seamlessly, but the deficiency in defence may never allow that.

But its not just been about the 4-2-2-2 Alone. Its also been about how we have been using it. The effectiveness of this formation is when a team is playing fast, precise passes and the fullback interchanges to create depth and overloads in wing areas. The complete opposite of how we have been playing.

3-4-3 is only effective if sterling is given free role upfront to run wings and cut inside and score like the first Leicester goal. Otherwise it renders useless essence of his purchase.

With the current player profile, 3-5-2 is however what we need to deploy consistently now that both Gallagher and Kante are sceptible to cards and Injuries. Disaster with this formation is having Mount, RLC and either of J5 or Kovacic in that midfield 3 besides the wingbacks. RLC unless deployed as a false wingback, is too lazy in both defensive phase and attacking face as his work rate and positioning plus his speed in releasing the ball and passing creates formation cracks everytime he looses balls or dribbled past.

Challenge for Tuchel now is finding team integration and cohesion flow. Find the right formation, right players, right motivation. Currently Chelsea has been all over with our style of play

Most importantly all these players must stand up and be counted. The way most of them have been playing like sissies has been disgusting.

�️@ChelseaAnalysis
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 12:21am On Sep 01, 2022
kingBolton:
Is this Alvarez not slow? who knows more about this Alvarez? We had all summer to get a defensive Midfielder but "Tuku" deemed it not necessary. The likes of palhinha were available and we didn't go for them only to now end up making panic bids.
https://www.foottheball.com/players-in-focus/edson-alvarez-stats-profile-ajax-scout-report-transfer-news-man-united/

He's actually a good player, good in build up and a press resistant,

Weakness e no too dey tackle but instead he's a good reader of the game and makes nice interceptions and crucial blocks
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:50am On Aug 31, 2022
timbros:
Anybody that blames Tuchel after watching these sluggish, ambitionless, drab, nonsensical set of players today isn't being honest to himself.

Was it Tuchel's fault that Sterling will get the ball in the 18 yard box and suddenly have a brain freeze? How many times did Sterling get a clear path on goal and delayed in decision making till a defender use him to shine? Is it Tuchel's fault that Havertz cannot get his header on target from Azpi cross? Was it Tuchel's fault that Mendy cannot save a routine shot from edge of the box? How exactly is Tuchel at fault for the nonsense Mount played tonight? No single sense of urgency in any player bar Cucurella. Was it Tuchel that asked them to play like pregnant women?

With the players available to him, 433 is the best formation Tuchel could have played. And on a normal day, Southampton players shouldn't match the quality Chelsea parade no matter the formation. The players were just wack tonight. Trash!

Who would honestly watch players that cannot string 4 passes together in a sequence and want to put the blame on the coach? Did Tuchel coach them to boot ball anywhere belle face wen under small pressure? (Azpi for the corner that led to second goal).

I no even know which one the vex me pass.... the performance abi na people wey dey blame coach here. Bar Cucurella and Silva, the rest of the players are trash. Every single one of them.
Actually there are alot of positives to pick for that first 25 minutes, we were actually unplayable; nice interchange, free flow of attack,created nice chances, never seen Chelsea played that kind of attack, but we lost everything after that first goal it was clearly not anyone's fault, we were outplayed and clearly Southampton was the better team, moving forward we should continue our 4-2-2-2 formation, we need change of personel, fofona should slot in for silva, kovavic and loftus in that midfield and of course James for azpi, harvetz out for broja.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:00pm On Aug 27, 2022
Phil foden a Central midfielder converted to a winger sometimes plays false nine for man city this season alone has registered 1 goal, 2 assist this season alone, to be very honest how many top team play AMF(not mardrid,Barca,man city, Bayern) musiala,asensio, foden all those AMF are now played on the wings :Deven martin odeegard a renowned AMF has been played on the wings severally by arteta, yet he dropping those masterclass performance weekly; this season alone 3 goals, this AMF role is slowly going to extinction yet as a player if you can't adapt to playing other positions then perhaps he should start onlyfans
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:46pm On Aug 27, 2022
And y'all still wonder why we lose important games smiley

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:38pm On Aug 27, 2022
Kantebets:
u forgot to add the effectiveness of cucurella and James with crossing
The team go hot
And for those of us wey dey watch Gordon since his link to Chelsea that dude plays very well with wing backs he go cook Wella with James I want those two guys on my right side fr

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:35pm On Aug 27, 2022

I want this Gordon guy on the right, sterling on the left auba centrally, fr we're gonna cook, watching Chelsea with harvetz and mount is eyesore fr
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:31pm On Aug 27, 2022
Kantebets:
average player
Should be sold
I need mount out of my team, fr let's not be decieve he's a fvckin average player, we all see what a good winger like Raheem can do for a team like Chelsea, we shouldn't let this English and German hushpuppy to turn our team to a mid table team

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:28pm On Aug 27, 2022
The only positive about harvetz hold up play and aerial duel

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:26pm On Aug 27, 2022
Reactions on harvetz performance

Can we just all agree that harvetz and mount are both fraud and not good for our team moving forward

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:23pm On Aug 27, 2022
Reactions about mount performance today

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 8:05pm On Aug 27, 2022
popizaino:
Last week : Koulibaly is the only one doing the work at the back

Last week : Thiago Silva will get exposed without Koulibaly.

Last week
: we cannot win with 96years Old Thiago Silva starting games for us.

Last week
: you can't have Thiagi Silva at the back and not be conceding 3goals in every match
Nah ram fight most people for this thread suppose dey watch, their football IQ is relatively low
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 11:27pm On Aug 25, 2022
Omanambala:
No , because he is trying to defame an obviously a decent candidate with lies. Fashola should have been in jail for deporting Nigerians from Lagos to Anambra and dumped at Onicha head bridge like animals. Obi questioned such decisions and called it inhuman.

Cc. Astrid4
The person he defame has the right to seek legal redress(for libel or slander)or perhaps you seek it for him if you feel threatened
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:41pm On Aug 25, 2022
andrewbaba44:
When was Musiala when pedri won the young ballon d or and golden boy ?

If na to troll raumdeuter una no rate Bayern players ,e reach Barca you Dey force musaila say e better pass pedri grin

Ekuke attack wey produce goal pass your useless attack

A Chelsea fan doesn’t have the right to call the attack of stoke city ekuke ,let alone Barca grin
So nah ya ekuke team wey no better pass man united nah hin you wan use beat Bayern grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:39pm On Aug 25, 2022
FirstbornWds:
The same Gravenberch way never first eleven is better than Pedri, De Jong and Busi?

In all things, wisdom is profitable.. Even when trolling!!!
Let's analyze it

Kimmich better than ya busquet
Musiala better pass ya pedri yes this season alone e don score 3 goals grin
Then your dejong no better pass Leon goretzka or let's say they're on the same level

So on bench you will be having kessie and gavi this duo combine is not anywhere near the level of Ryan and sabitzer so what the hell are you talking about
cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:26pm On Aug 25, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Kessie has played 2 games

Make your research well next time

Compare Musaila and pedri and he is behind

Same your team will die to have cheesy

Your agenda No agend ok grin
For your mind pedri is better than musiala cheesy

Your ekuke attack with dembele nah hin you wan use beat Bayern...iku pa yin
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:20pm On Aug 25, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Okay sir ,no vex about the back line

Those attack is not better than mine either

FDJ pedri busquets /kessie are better ,only kimmich there will make my team
Kessie wey never kick ball for you is better than musiala cheesy so nah your new recruit dey give you mind against almighty Bayern cheesy

None of your midfielders is better than Gravenberch sef
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 7:18pm On Aug 25, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Bayern back line and midfield is not better oga

Attack is just mane ,the rest aren’t better

Be sincere abeg
Which of your wingers is better than gnabry, sane,muller grin, I 8-2 to remind wetin those guys did to you the last time you met
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 5:09pm On Aug 25, 2022
Omanambala:
Making nonsensical accusations he can never back up. Ethnic bigotry has destroyed this nation. Abeg , Nigeria is too divided and it's the fault of the leaders.
So he's a bigot cos he's not supporting the same candidate you're supporting cheesy

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 4:21pm On Aug 25, 2022
Mecka:
i see no changes, wake up in the morning and i ask myself

Is life worth living? Should i blast myself?

I'm tired of being poor and, even worse, i'm black

My stomach hurts so i'm looking for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
Pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids, who the hell cares?
One less hungry mouth on the welfare

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 11:21am On Aug 25, 2022
� Aubameyang to Chelsea is about to be completed. He is flying to Paris with his family.

� Gerard Romero

� @CFC_ChelseaFC

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 11:20am On Aug 25, 2022
� Aubameyang is at the Barcelona airport.

� Gerard Romero

� @CFC_ChelseaFC

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 10:59am On Aug 24, 2022
114 - Kai Havertz has made the most off-ball runs of any player in the Premier League this season (114), as well the most off-ball runs into the penalty area (37).

114 - Kai Havertz
103 - Luis Díaz
94 - Erling Haaland
94 - Anthony Gordon
93 - Raheem Sterling

Pull.

� @CFC_ChelseaFC


Harvetz is not bad fr, we need creative midfielders asap

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 1:24pm On Aug 23, 2022
donstan18:
Could this be Tuchel plans?
And for real it might just work,cos that was his formation with Dortmund
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 10:03am On Aug 23, 2022
BlueAngel444:
I agree, Tuchel uses 2 Am or 1 Am, then 1 or 2 forwards.. 3421 or 3412 but putting Mount in RAM the right side of attacking midfield and Havertz on the left. Tuchel's positioning of this players is a problem, some of them get caught off position or in the wrong position and the players get blamed and he will come to press and say he wants players that can play multiple positions. He should go and coach 5 a side na
The two wide players for Chelsea are not static they're fluid they exchange positions, if you check the heat map of harvetz, mount and sterling the operate centrally, left flanks and right flanks, Tuchel job is to create a tactics that create chances and which so far last season we created the 3 highest chances in the pl we created 3 big chances within first 15 mins against leeds
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:54am On Aug 23, 2022
BlueAngel444:
now he is chasing Gordons grin
To me Gordons is not a bad player
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:54am On Aug 23, 2022
BlueAngel444:
not defending Pulisic but him getting injured isn't the only reason he's hardly in form. Can u say what position Pulisic played
you lose form when you're injured, you can just have that level of physical fitness coming back, it's not possible and we all know the fact pulisic is an injury proned player let's give him a month or two he will be injured
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:45am On Aug 23, 2022
BlueAngel444:
How will Pulisic be in form na, is it by being on the bench or playing one thousand positions on the pitch. E get why Ziyech dey force commot
Nah
Pulisic will be in form by keeping himself fit and not getting himself injured his cameo against Tottenham was eyesore
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:43am On Aug 23, 2022
thorrvik55:
Did u watch the last three games?

Even Hudson Odoi shows flashes of brilliance every once in a blue moon but the duo of Mount and Havertz have been below average since the start of the season probably cos they feel untouchable and their place in the team is certain..

Pulisic is not in form but it's Mount and Havertz that are in form ba.. Lol
Harvetz shows some spark of brilliance against Tottenham and Everton(especially Tottenham), didn't have a good game against Leeds same with mount, but odoi, pulisic, ziyech won't do anything better than these duo to be realistic
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:40am On Aug 23, 2022
BlueAngel444:
sackable? Lol, I want to agree o but were they not or have they not been the "most consistent" in the team since this year, apart from sterling.

Mount has played more on the right this season, Mount is a horrible winger, na manage him dey manage play LAM well but noo Tuchel had to push him to the right. Havertz who would have played centrally or at the left.. sterling finally played LW in the last match. I agree Tuchel could be sacked but not for fielding this players but for his positioning inadequacy. People have said it already Tuchel is poor when it comes to positioning his attackers
I don't think mount has been playing as a WF in tuchel's formation, forget line up, he's playing more as a playmaker and he's dropping deep for the likes of harvetz and sterling
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 9:35am On Aug 23, 2022
thorrvik55:
Starting Kai Havertz and Mount for three straight game weeks even with their horrible performances since preseason has to be a sackable offence. Man has no Ballz to bench those bang average players, atleast bench them so they know their place in the team is under jeopardy...
And who's he gonna replace them with is it ziyech forcing for a move out? or pulisic that's is not in form or injured broja, stop making it sound we have quality players to replace this lads, we need a squad overhaul, the likes of mount should be a squad players not necessarily a starter
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Astrid4(m): 3:07pm On Aug 22, 2022
raumdeuter:
If there is a way you can search for posts on this thread on October 6 2019, when Adama scored 2 goals vs City and December 27 2019 when Wolves beat City 3-2.

The similar things said about St Maximim would have been said about Adama that day. 3yrs later Adama is on Wolves bench
playing for a mid table team, relegation bound team is different from playing for a top team, when a team like wolves is playing against Chelsea, Liverpool or any top team the odds are not always in their favor, they play like that don't have anything to lose, I was expecting Gallagher to drop a Xavi, fabregas esque;due to the way he was hyped during his loan spell in crystal but we no know say nah decorated Barkley

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