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ifenes:
You see the need to worship a creator? This is why Grizzlybear is right,no point for deluded,books misunderstanding humans should be on a beautiful planet like this. If your aim in life is to worship,be a slave to a creator,you have no business procreating honestly. Die off and let the sane animals take over.

SHUT UP!!

AngelsAndStars:
i was told by my blood brother(a seminarian) myths cannot be verified. it should never be debated. myths are to be taken as reported. myths are not to be argued. whether it happened or not is left for faith. dont get me wrong am not against the creation story.

First of all i do not think your brother should be in the seminary if he does not believe in what took him to the seminary in the first place. This then would not make him an authority to tell anyone that creation is a myth as that would paint him as a fraud (my apologies)

You on the other hand have a problem with beginning your statement and conditioning your mind with the word "myth" so every other comment from you tries to justify that.

What do you wish to verify? Creation or its process? To what end? Would that validate or invalidate God? If you see God as being bigger than depicted in the Bible then why bother about Creation or its process as this would mean creation or its story would be too small to even bother about or bother Him.

Like someone else already said, your focus should be asking the Question, "Who was/is Jesus"? Why did He come and die for me? How did everything from creation lead up to Christ? Is it sensible that He had to dies for me so i would live? Extend your philosophical view that way and perhaps the beginning would make sense to you.

Can you time travel? If you cannot time travel how then would you want to even debate creation? You cannot reason it out but you can understand it if you work your way from Christ backwards!

MrMontella:
those were just his musings..
His standpoint was agnosticism..

Was Einstein your uncle or you have sole ownership to his personal diary?

AngelsAndStars:
so you agree that it was a myth?

The word Myth is pretty heavy to use to define creation. It would mean it never truly happened and if it did not then it brings us back to the question of how did we get here.

What you may see as loopholes is like a man looking from the bottom up and not from every angle. What you see from the ground view is not enough to fully define or explain an event until you have the honour of having a complete or even a panoramic view of said event.

Man cannot be God and cannot explain why certain events appear not plausible but that is not Gods fault. That is the inherent limitation of man.

Seun:
Where did you get the idea that it makes sense to just believe things by faith in the absence of evidence? (To me, it seems like a very bad idea)

There is a time for evidence and there is a time for faith. Evidence stops at the door of spirituality because its not in control of that level but responds to whatever the spiritual wishes to provide as evidence. But that poses a problem for a mind which seems to think that it must have the kind of evidence it seeks but that would mean you have now taken control of the spiritual and that is impossible because you are beneath that realm as a human.

Like the OP says, only the dead can say for sure but Religion provides a hope and a little peek through a window at what is expected after death which in truth stands on a higher pedestal than hopelessness which is a place man is not designed to be and cannot even be comfortable being confined there. Its in our genes. We always want to move and explore and discover and believe that there is something or more out there and this is the vacuum being filled by Religion and i personally see this as extremely plausible and a much better option.

Evidence can never be absolute as what is deemed as evidence for one cannot work for another. Herein comes faith!

KingEbukasBlog:
I .. I ... I just quoted verses ... are you actually serious ?



Don't get your dander up brah . Atheists are bibulous too - they don't take alcohol abstemiously . Studies also revealed that atheists are more likely to be promiscuous too . I just decided to drop some points . It would have been brutal .

Let me show you this

Young Swiss men who say that they believe in God are less likely to smoke cigarettes or pot or take ecstasy pills than Swiss men of the same age group who describe themselves as atheists. Belief is a protective factor against addictive behaviour. This is the conclusion reached by a study funded by the Swiss National Science Foundation.

Karl Marx said that religion was the opium of the people. New figures now suggest that religion plays a role in preventing substance misuse. A research team led by Gerhard Gmel from Lausanne University Hospital has shown in the journal Substance Use & Misuse that, in Switzerland, fewer religious young men consume addictive substances than men of their age group who are agnostics or atheists.

At the army recruitment centre For their study on substance use in Switzerland, Gmel and his colleagues interviewed almost twenty-year-old men at army recruitment centres in Lausanne, Windisch and Mels between August 2010 and November 2011. The researchers have now evaluated the 5387 questionnaires completed by the young men. Based on the responses, the scientists split the young men into five groups: the "religious" believe in God and attend church services, the "spiritual" believe in a higher power, but do not practice any religion, the "unsure" do not know what to believe about God, the "agnostics" assume that no-one can know whether there is a God or not, and the "atheists" do not believe in God.

The researchers found that these groups deal differently with addictive substances. Among the 543 religious young men, 30% smoked cigarettes daily, 20% smoked pot more than once a week and less than 1% had consumed ecstasy or cocaine in the past year. Among the 1650 atheists, 51% smoked cigarettes, 36% smoked pot more than once a week, 6% had consumed ecstasy and 5% cocaine in the past year. The three groups that lay between these extremes were in the mid-range both regarding their religious beliefs and the consumption of addictive substances.

A protective influence For Gmel, these figures indicate that research into addictive behaviour should not only consider risk factors, but also protective factors. The results of his study show that belief is a protective factor when it comes to the consumption of addictive substances. Whether the differences between the groups can be attributed to the ethical values of the young men or to social control in the environments in which they live, remains unanswered.

jonbellion:
Lol first post got me laughing though
I assume these people are the ambassadors of "logic" and "reasoning"

Lack of seriousness and inability to focus on real issues seems to be a burden too heavy for you to bear.

Urahara2:
Kk

This is the point of the OP.

The foundation of atheism is Denial! Denial of Higher powers and authorities! Denial of their very existence! Denial of their purpose! Denial of how they came to exist and like that Grizzly atheist says, "He is a product of chance and nothing else". So no purpose means no reason to live.

Everything around you appears bleak and meaningless and also a product of random chance so at the end of the day you see yourself as a being who exists simply because you want to exist for yourself alone. Here comes greed, selfishness, desire to harm others without regard, sadism, and all these breed depression.

Basically you do not care about anything anymore. Its a slow process but the results are often always the same and one day you just want to take something that would help deal with the depression, The more you take it the more depressed you feel so you up the dose and end up Overdosing and dead.

Others take the faster way out and one shot is all it takes or they decide not to go alone since nothing matters so they decide to poison others or shoot others knowing they would be killed in the process just like the Last Ohio college killings of which the mass shooter was an atheist.

Urahara2:
I don tire for the guy sef , handsome bobo like him go dey misyarn everytime

Even if the report came from CNN you would still say CNN is not reliable which goes to buttress the point that Atheists love living a lie. And lies are inherently self destructive and at a point you would be pressured so much with all the lies you would crack (become depressed and suicidal). Self denial is not a good meal to eat everyday.

If atheism were true and strong would such chart breaking stats of suicide be so prevalent among atheists? We can conclude atheists are not happy people because they are a living a lie. And like all lies they are harmful to your well being. Thus, atheists should go extinct over time as the demise of their being takes place through attrition through more and more self-destruction. It could be said the favorite hobby of atheists is suicide.

Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism

JackBizzle:
Popular is not = reliable.

After all, this is a divisive man within the american atheists circle. He also received condemnation for wanting to desecrate holy communion from both atheists and christians

Based on statistics popular is acceptable and acceptable generally is reliable.

If you have a statistical leaning of 80% its generally an authority.

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=15pt]5[/size] The prestigious Mayo Clinic reported the following on December 11, 2001:

“ In an article also published in this issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Mayo Clinic researchers reviewed published studies, meta-analyses, systematic reviews and subject reviews that examined the association between religious involvement and spirituality and physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.
The authors report a majority of the nearly 350 studies of physical health and 850 studies of mental health that have used religious and spiritual variables have found that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes

[size=15pt]6[/size] In 1894, the NY Times declared regarding atheism and suicide:

“ Dr. Martin urged that a great cause of suicide was atheism. It was, he said, a remarkable fact that where atheism prevailed most, there suicides were most numerous. In Paris, a recent census showed one suicide to every 2,700 of the population. After the publication of Paine's "Age of Reason" suicides increased. ”

The same NY Times article quotes the Reverend Dr. MacArthur describing suicide in the following manner:

“ It is mean and not manly; it is dastardly and not daring. A man who involves his innocent wife and children in financial disaster and disgrace and takes his life and leaves them to bear the burden he was unwilling to bear, is a coward.
”
The website Adherents.com reported the following in respect to atheism and suicide:

“ Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-
mbridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005).

In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:

" Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism"


[size=15pt]7[/size] In September 2008, the Wall Street Journal reported:

“ The reality is that the New Atheist campaign, by discouraging religion, won't create a new group of intelligent, skeptical, enlightened beings. Far from it: It might actually encourage new levels of mass superstition. And that's not a conclusion to take on faith -- it's what the empirical data tell us.

"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....

This is not a new finding. In his 1983 book "The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener," skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of traditional religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in pseudoscience, cults and superstition. He referenced a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer that showed irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely

Sources : http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/abstract
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html

Very deep post and very revealing. Every single point here is totally true. When you have nihilistic roots you are not only suicidal but can easily take as many as possible along with you in death. They do not care about life so have nothing to live for really. Reminds me of a certain Grizzly somebody who is also an atheist!