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Hanaway:
My life is at stake here and you call that a joke? Really? So you would have fun even at the expense of another person whose condition is grave? Are you sure you are a christian?

The comedienne Emmanuella used her comic talent very well and has been featured on CNN. You are here wasting your skills on Nairaland . Do you need some additional spices for the stew? I am asking so i can recommend some for you so your stew would be very palatablel.

Hanaway:
Does that include the 10 commandments, or am I missing something?



This particular verse is vague as vague can get. So, when you say that the arrival of Jesus has rendered the laws of the old days useless, are you actually referring to all mosiac laws or just a select few? Do explain.

Your shellfish is beckoning on you. Go and put water on the fire. Make sure you boil it very well so the germs in it will die okay?

Ranchhoddas:
Now that I think about it, I realize I don't even know what shellfishes are.

shrimp, lobsters, crayfish, and crabs. Any crustacean.

Hanaway:
This does not the least address the question, but you can give it a shot again.

I did not see any question. What i saw was a joke. A funny one though with you as the main character. lol

Hanaway:
I should have done that before now, but like I said, I'm ignorant as to whether God permits eating shellfishes or not because I have nothing on me right now, except the shellfishes.

This thread could be informative to other christians who are waving in their faith as well.

Let's keep it civil please.

Lmao he says lets keep it civil please. Even in an alleged hunger he wishes to keep it civil and hold a discussion. You must be the most disloyally loyal atheist i have ever met. lmao

KingEbukasBlog:
We are not mandated as Christians to obey Mosaic laws . And Mosaic laws don't apply to anyone now .

Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

The funny part is that some casual observer would have believed his childish lying tale. lol @ I am hungry but do not know if i should use the shellfish to prepare stew

He is hungry but has money for pepper, tomatoes, onions, groundnut oil, vegetables for the stew. lmao

Hanaway what manner of tomfoolery is this? You already have a record just like the boy who kept crying wolf when there was no wolf and then when a real wolf appeared nobody took him seriously. I personally am not taking you seriously. You do not believe in God but you are scared of eating the shellfish you claim he outlawed in leviticus. Come on man enjoy your life.

Barbecue or roast or grill the shellfish to your satisfaction and when done post a picture of the shellfish with Hanaway written on paper beside it so we can learn to sometimes take you literally.

Ebuka the one who gave me the einstein carton i bless God for you.

frank317:
If Tabernacle is in the heart what were they doing in the building that killed them.
How does Tabernacle not being a building it affect the fact that people gathered in a church to worship God and were killed.

They were there for a different assignment and not to worship God. It was for an ordaining. That aside, I do not think this is a thread for a debate so i will not go beyond this.

people abhor death becasue it's a sad thing. People naturally don't want to missed and no one wants to miss a loved one. Worst, worst the process of death is always filled with pain. This is what ur God bothers not when his creation go through it.

Death isnt a bad thing. The idea is what seems bad but its a necessity. I can see you do not believe God exists so why would you ascribe this incident to him if you feel he does not exist? Do you believe in God or Creation?

I have told u why death bothers me. Why does it not bother u, yet you pray every morning that God should not kill u.
I don't know where I was before I was born, so I don't know what happens after death. So since u are sure of a life after death, everlasting one for that matter... Why do Christians pray for long life here on earth? Why is the op paying tribute to the departed? Why is he pained at their death?

Personally death or protection from it is never in my prayers. I simply pray for others and thank God for myself and observe the demands of Gods word. Since you know nothing about anything especially life and death why then are you upset? You do not believe in God, you obviously do not believe in creation, you do not know anything about pre life or what happens after death so why are we having this discussion?

This thread is not for this chat. Since you feel so much for the dead and those they left behind the least you could do was to drop a few good words and not to turn this thread into your personal melting pot.

Thanks for your time.

Lest i forget. RIP to the dead and may those they left behind receive joy once again. Amen

frank317:
So what were they gathering in the building for? Did your God purposely caused them to gather there so that he can kill them as usual? So since Gods tabancale is in the heart, God decided to kill them for gathering in a building?

I honestly do not think you are sane enough to have a conversation with. Where and how did you draw this conclusion? In your head?

Yes to God physical death is not a bother, that's why he punished people with death. That's why when he killed multitude with flood he didn't see his act as gruesome becasue death is not a bother to him. That's why he is allowing people to loose their loved ones to death becasue he does not care.

Does death bother or scare you? Why? Why do people get pregnant and give birth? Why is everyone not just barren so death could be avoidable or non existent? Why live at all? Why do we even eat? Why do people still desire to have kids even when death is inevitable? Can yu tell me?

Since physical death is not a bother, why did he promise long life to people who obey their parents? Why do u Christians pray for long life. Now youths have died in the church, death suddenly does not matter. Why do u thank God for giving u life every morning? Rubbish

Again i ask you, does death bother you? why? Do you believe there is a life after this one? If your answer is no then why does death bother you? If you say its because they had loved ones, would the loved ones they left behind also not die even after mourning them? By default death is not the focus. The focus should be life. If death is inevitable and probably sad to you then why not focus on life which is also inevitable but can be joyful even if its a short one.

God promised long life within the limits of human life and he holds the choice about whom to honour with it and who not to. Do you believe in life after death?

frank317:
Your foolish prayer could have been saved to prevent evil from happening in the church. Look at how u are wasting it here, calling on deaf Jesus to hurt people who are calling him out to take responsibility. Can a dead man kill or save?

Ur belief s an an embarrassment. U should cover ur face in shame the mom by u hear of those deaths. All the people u have been cursing on this forum are still waxing stronger than you. Instead it fellow worshippers are the ones receiving pain.

Your finite limited mind perceived all this? Are you now all knowing?

frank317:
Every little thing u start cursing. Can't u see how your God quickly disappears at the time of Crisis in his own Tabernacle.

You keep on cursing none Christians once they pick the holes in ur religion, but u fail to see how doomed Christians are even in the so called house of God... May ur eyes open.

A church is not the house of God. Gods tabernacle is in the hearts of his children. To God physical death isnt much of a bother as his focus is your soul so physically you should live with that in mind because your body will definitely die but your soul will live on either in eternal life or eternal death

MrMontella:
randomness does produce order..

Tornadoes and snowflakes...
Mineral crystals etc..

What is it with you people and snow flakes? Are snowflakes the precursor to your evolutionary life? Are tornadoes the precursor to your evolutionary life? Can you show me where snowflakes or tornadoes became a part of how evolution began, moved along and arrived at where we are today.

MrMontella:
she was not a kinswoman whatever



did enoch walk with God or not?

Did enoch commit incest?

LightandDarkness:
The discussion should still be held. If those two scriptures are valid then why did God punish Cain for killing Abel, it happened before the law and therefore is not a violation of the law, Cain therefore did not sin? The reason why you say its best known to God is because deep down you know it makes no actual sense

Genesis 4: 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.

I am still telling you the same thing. We know that Cain killed Abel. If we look at the Bible account of Cain and Abel we see that they both offered sacrifices. But even though they both offered something to God, their hearts were different. You see, Cain’s heart was wicked and evil. God warned Cain that sin would be “at his door” or that sin had a desire for him. That alone awakened an awareness of Cains actions and error in sacrifice but Cain instead of repenting discarded the warning so it became murder eventually.

Sin begins as a thought. The moment the thought is allowed the fester it grows and becomes full blown. Remember i told you that the law awakens us to sin and God made Cain aware of his sin otherwise cain would not have known he was wrong to have offered that kind of sacrifice in the first place

LightandDarkness:
The law of moses who committed the same sin?, I can't see why God wouldn't have warned Moses if it was truly a sin.

You need to follow my line of discussion. Who is Sin applicable to? Man or God?

If God chose not to let man know about that particular sin until later it is best known to Him, You on the other hand have acknowledged that such acts of incest totally stopped the moment the law was given. This then shows you that the law awakens us to sin as without the law there would be no sin.

Romans 5: 13 Certainly sin was in the world before the Law was given, but no record of sin is kept when there is no Law.

Romans 4: 15 for the Law produces wrath. Now where there is no Law, neither can there be any violation of it.

I need you to read those 2 scriptures and understand that this discussion should not be holding

Lennycool:
The OP is just ignorant.

Everyone sees another as ignorant when they have absolutely nothing to say. A foolish man can call another foolish just to end a discussion especially when he is running blanks upstairs. Its a norm we see on the streets everyday.

Ranchhoddas:
How about you do it yourself and provide the link? Kindly post the parts of the article that support your statement.

From Reddit

Reverend Jones himself was an Agnostic Atheist, to be precise. ... In 1978 at Jonestown, Jim Jones brutally poisoned and murdered 303 real children and their parents, for a grand total of 909 people

From wikipedia


In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist.[41] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, Marceline Jones admitted in a 1977 New York Times interview that Jones was trying to promote Marxism in the United States by mobilizing people through religion, citing Mao Zedong as his inspiration.[37] She stated that, "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion", and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[37] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[9]


From www.sixteensmallstones.org

But reality is far more interesting: Contrary to suppositions, The People’s Temple was in fact a deadly left-wing, atheist, Marxist cult and Jonestown was a Socialist commune.

Jim Jones was a dedicated communist from the outset. While he initially founded his group as a a liberal offshoot of the Methodist denomination, in his own biographical record he admitted that he did not really believe in religion, he saw it as a tool to disingenuously use to further his Marxist goals.

LightandDarkness:
No there wasn't I see your point but what about mine why was it okay then but not later. Surely God would always have known it was wrong?

I cannot offer speculative answers but can only give you what i am sure about. If God did not mention it before Leviticus then it must have been for a reason. Same way a program can be rewritten on a system if the old one has served its purpose.

I thank you for admitting that there was no other recorded acts of incest after the law was given. This then begins to give you a clue about how Christian morality came to be. The law of moses made sure we were aware of the sin. The law woke us up to the reality of sin. Jesus now came and condemned sin In the flesh and gave us his spirit and a new law.

I hope you can relate

Ranchhoddas:
An atheist Reverend. I see .

Google is a click away for you.

LightandDarkness:
Leviticus comes after however why was it okay in exodus and not okay in Leviticus? Surely God didn't just wait for moses Jacob Amram Cain etc to commit incest before he decided to prohibit it?

What if the levites were just ultraconservative and moses had the right idea?

You miss the point. The law brings awareness. If there was no law there would be no awareness am i right or wrong? After the law was given in Leviticus was there any other recorded act of incest?

Ranchhoddas:
Exceptions do not render rules invalid. There have also been mass suicide in churches. Ever heard of the 'Kool-aid' Reverend Jim Jones?

Jim Jones was an Agnostic atheist. Do not get it wrong. He was an agnostic atheist who murdered a grand total of 909 people.

LightandDarkness:
Jacobs wives Rachel and Leah were his cousins hence incest.

Exodus 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years. Moses and Aaron products of incest

Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. If miriam is Aarons sister isn't she also moses's sister? Therefore their relationship was incest.

Instead of asking why atheists don't support incest maybe the theists should ask themselves the dame question. And also ask why God didn't condemn any of this

Sir Does Exodus come before Leviticus? When did the law begin? When was it given? When was the law against incest given? Was it in exodus or in Leviticus?

PastorAIO:
But Biblical Patriarchs were all incestuous.

Can you mention these patriarchs please

[quote author=PastorAIO post=52063850]hmmm...

Darwin's TOE is still the go to model for seeking explanations for Everything. Literally everything. The fact that the theory is still undergoing development doesn't change that. In fact, everything in science can be developed or reviewed at any point.

Arguing into the future is not a healthy way to state facts. Evolution theory is still in its infancy and can only account for less than 10% of any form of knowledge so why use it as an authority when its still in the works. If something isnt conclusive then its not a go to model for anything YET!

Spontaneous order, also named self-organization in the hard sciences, is the spontaneous emergence of order out of seeming chaos. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_order

Again order cannot emerge from chaos. Statistics refutes this. We can statistically attempt this and show the probability of its oocurence going by the acclaimed age of the earth and if we arrive at a figure like 1 in a quadrillion would you still think it would be possible for order to emerge from chaos especially when the said order from chaos had to repeat itself in millions of ways. Can anyone be that lucky?

Groups of human beings, left free to each regulate themselves, tend to produce spontaneous order, rather than the meaningless chaos often feared. This has been observed in society at least since Chuang Tzu in ancient China. A classic traffic roundabout is a good example, with cars moving in and out with such effective organization that some modern cities have begun replacing stoplights at problem intersections with traffic circles [4], and getting better results. Open-source software and Wiki projects form an even more compelling illustration. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence#Spontaneous_order

You are talking about evolution and now you shift to humans. Was evolution intelligent or random? Choose one please?

Anger, hatred, and bitterness can be easily explained by Evolution Theory. They serve to further an individuals success in the intense competition called life.

So love does not further ones intense competition in the evolutionary process? Is incest not love based?

Ranchhoddas:
I do not support incest.

Are you an Atheist? You do not sound like one.

akintom:
You certainly know that there is yet no other word to describe thoughts, that in all known measures are nonsensical and idiotic.

And it's intelligent to be able to identify such nonsense in folks thoughts, so that the appropriate remedy can be administered.

To respect inimical thoughts and ideas is anti scientific culture and traditions.

Folks who are malicious and distortful in the information they put in public domain, do have the appropriate descriptive names.

Deal with that.

Civility is a word you need to study.

MrMontella:
hello brother!
Mention this monicker henceforth@the bolded...raphiemontella went on a vacay...he travelled and said i should substitute for him

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On your incest...

Explain..

Under Your Theistic doctrine,which is under the dictation of your supreme being who is the source of morals..

1)The world was populated by incestuous relations...not once but twice...


2)Your theistic supreme being...
Blessed an incestous marriage




3)Your God's tight paddy,,if not his bestfriend;Moses was the product of an incestuous marriage...




Moralize these instances..

You can look at it in two ways and that is as

a. His father’s sister, That is, kinswoman, as the Hebrew word frequently means. Amminadab or a prince of the tribe of Judah. If you look at it this way then we can say that the Levites might marry into any tribe, there being no danger of confusion or loss of inheritance thereby.

b. .If you can tell me when the Law was given or when it began then you can deduce your answer for yourself. Did Genesis 17: 16 come before Leviticus 18:12?

KingEbukasBlog:
I was studying the origin of religion yesterday night when I discovered that . While atheism came during the final centuries of BCE (about 2,500 years ago) . Religion has always been with man .

Will you not applaud me for discovering it before you through logical reasoning while you had to research yours. You have details but i have reason. What do i get for beating you to it?

Ranchhoddas:
Oga to every rule, there will always be few exceptions, are there no Christians commiting incest? In fact, majority of the incestuous people are not atheists as they always blame the Devil whenever they are caught.

Is Sexual Immorality encouraged or a Sin in the Bible? If yes can you say a Christian who commits it is still a Christian?

PastorAIO:
Darwin's theory has 2 factors. The First is Randomness. The second is Natural Selection.

Randomness produces all sorts of traits, but the Natural selection part favours some of the traits more than others.

I know about evolution and it does not explain everything contrary to what you might think. Its still a hypothesis in the works. Statistically randomness cannot produce order so lets not go there.

If Natural selection is true then why did it not also deal with anger and hatred and bitterness since they are all emotional driven same way incest, homosexuality and sodomy are?

KingEbukasBlog:
True , religion has always existed . Even the Pre-Adamites were religious , as far as 300,000 thousand years ago, they practiced what is called urreligion .A from of natural religion or natural theology the type the deists practice . Even the Pre-Adamites with their low intelligence did understand that nature had a creator . Urreligion was said to be of divine origin , it was monotheistic in nature though arguable . It then progressed into animism then organized religion which came with poytheism and used as a tool for exploitation and mass control purposes .

Truth is, i did not even need to research it. All i did was simply reason it out and you are confirming it from research. Its something a simple reasoning out would be able to decipher and know that Religion and culture have always been there.