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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by MrMontella(m): 10:01pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Wikipedia is not an objective source .

The deist site also quoted their source " The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press

AE said : "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist"

I don't know why the emboldened text is always omitted .

are you going to tell einstein what he believed him?
He clealy called himself an agnostic...i'd go with that
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:03pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
so you agree that it was a myth?

I'll rather use the word "ambiguous" because it is open to so many interpretations .
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:03pm On Dec 02, 2016
MrMontella:

are you going to tell einstein what he believed him?
He clealy called himself an agnostic...i'd go with that

He is not an agnostic . You always say outlandish things undecided
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:03pm On Dec 02, 2016
MrMontella:

are you going to tell einstein what he believed him?
He clealy called himself an agnostic...i'd go with that
it is obvious he believed in a designer, hence a creator. that kills it
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:04pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I'll rather use the word "ambiguous" because it is open to so many interpretations .
what of Adam and eve story? a myth or fact?
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:06pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
what of Adam and eve story? a myth or fact?

Same thing . It can seen as an allegory . Brother sukkottt , please please can you lecture this guy on the allegorical view of Adam and Eve .

There are other literal views of the story .
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by MrMontella(m): 10:07pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I presented my own view of the creation story https://www.nairaland.com/2305535/dealing-misconceptions-10-things-bible

The theistic evolutionists see the creation story as an allegory .

There are some that believe the 7 days are not 24-hour days .

So stanch your enthusiasm cos there's nothing new you'd say that has not been said before .
just one book ooo
grin grin
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:08pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Same thing . It can seen as an allegory . Brother sukkottt , please please can you lecture this guy on the allegorical view of Adam and Eve .

There are other literal views of the story .
you dont have to lecture me my guy. who is sukkot again? a prophet? it is those who believe adam and eve actually existed you should coach. thanks
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by availableisme: 10:09pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
so you agree that it was a myth?

The word Myth is pretty heavy to use to define creation. It would mean it never truly happened and if it did not then it brings us back to the question of how did we get here.

What you may see as loopholes is like a man looking from the bottom up and not from every angle. What you see from the ground view is not enough to fully define or explain an event until you have the honour of having a complete or even a panoramic view of said event.

Man cannot be God and cannot explain why certain events appear not plausible but that is not Gods fault. That is the inherent limitation of man.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by MrMontella(m): 10:09pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
it is obvious he believed in a designer, hence a creator. that kills it
those were just his musings..
His standpoint was agnosticism..
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by MrMontella(m): 10:11pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

He is not an agnostic . You always say outlandish things undecided
your views as a christian has not changed one bit abi?
You always distort truth and facts cheesy or are you saying he does not know what agnosticism means? shocked
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by availableisme: 10:11pm On Dec 02, 2016
MrMontella:

those were just his musings..
His standpoint was agnosticism..

Was Einstein your uncle or you have sole ownership to his personal diary?
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:11pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
you dont have to lecture me my guy. who is sukkot again? a prophet? it is those who believe adam and eve actually existed you should coach. thanks

Why did you ask the question if have made up your mind about it . Mister , the story of Adam and Eve or creation story shouldn't be bothering you , its the salvation of your soul that is paramount here . Whether you accept it (the creation/Adam and Eve story ) or reject it God does not care .

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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:13pm On Dec 02, 2016
MrMontella:

your views as a christian has not changed one bit abi?

You always distort truth and facts cheesy
or are you saying he does not know what agnosticism means? shocked

He was not an agnostic simple .
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:17pm On Dec 02, 2016
availableisme:


The word Myth is pretty heavy to use to define creation. It would mean it never truly happened and if it did not then it brings us back to the question of how did we get here.

What you may see as loopholes is like a man looking from the bottom up and not from every angle. What you see from the ground view is not enough to fully define or explain an event until you have the honour of having a complete or even a panoramic view of said event.

Man cannot be God and cannot explain why certain events appear not plausible but that is not Gods fault. That is the inherent limitation of man.
i was told by my blood brother(a seminarian) myths cannot be verified. it should never be debated. myths are to be taken as reported. myths are not to be argued. whether it happened or not is left for faith. dont get me wrong am not against the creation story.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:18pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Why did you ask the question if have made up your mind about it . Mister , the story of Adam and Eve or creation story shouldn't be bothering you , its the salvation of your soul that is paramount here . Whether you accept it (the creation/Adam and Eve story ) or reject it God does not care .
i want to know your opinion. did adam and eve really existed? the forbidden fruit story did it really happen?

dont disappoint me by dodging the question. its a pretty simple one
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Gboyee4fun(m): 10:19pm On Dec 02, 2016
Seun:
Where did you get the idea that it makes sense to just believe things by faith in the absence of evidence? (To me, it seems like a very bad idea)

sorry, do you want to know the God that created everything by your human sense before? or by your findings? or by your wisdom? the idea of believing things by Faith is in the bible and we believed it as Christians....

sorry to intervene though
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by availableisme: 10:30pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
i was told by my blood brother(a seminarian) myths cannot be verified. it should never be debated. myths are to be taken as reported. myths are not to be argued. whether it happened or not is left for faith. dont get me wrong am not against the creation story.

First of all i do not think your brother should be in the seminary if he does not believe in what took him to the seminary in the first place. This then would not make him an authority to tell anyone that creation is a myth as that would paint him as a fraud (my apologies)

You on the other hand have a problem with beginning your statement and conditioning your mind with the word "myth" so every other comment from you tries to justify that.

What do you wish to verify? Creation or its process? To what end? Would that validate or invalidate God? If you see God as being bigger than depicted in the Bible then why bother about Creation or its process as this would mean creation or its story would be too small to even bother about or bother Him.

Like someone else already said, your focus should be asking the Question, "Who was/is Jesus"? Why did He come and die for me? How did everything from creation lead up to Christ? Is it sensible that He had to dies for me so i would live? Extend your philosophical view that way and perhaps the beginning would make sense to you.

Can you time travel? If you cannot time travel how then would you want to even debate creation? You cannot reason it out but you can understand it if you work your way from Christ backwards!

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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Ranchhoddas: 10:37pm On Dec 02, 2016
Anas09:
Your explaination was not simple.
It was. Tell me one part that wasn't.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Anas09: 10:39pm On Dec 02, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
It was. Tell me one part that wasn't.
Not in the mood to type now. Tomorrow maybe.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Ranchhoddas: 10:40pm On Dec 02, 2016
Anas09:
Your explaination was not simple.
It was. Tell me one part that wasn't.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Ranchhoddas: 10:43pm On Dec 02, 2016
Anas09:
Your explaination was not simple.
It was. Tell me one part that wasn't.
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by sukkottt: 10:54pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Same thing . It can seen as an allegory . Brother sukkottt , please please can you lecture this guy on the allegorical view of Adam and Eve .

There are other literal views of the story .
hey King thou calleth ? how may I be of service to thee my lord smiley
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by sukkottt: 10:55pm On Dec 02, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
you dont have to lecture me my guy. who is sukkot again? a prophet? it is those who believe adam and eve actually existed you should coach. thanks
what is thy gripe my brethren ? art thou agitating ?
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:56pm On Dec 02, 2016
sukkottt:
key King thou calleth ? how may I be of service to thee my lord smiley

Thank you sir sukkottt . Another fellow - AngelsAndStars- has problems with the creation story . Maybe you can help him with the allegorical view of the story in case he wants to see things from a different perspective .
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by sukkottt: 11:01pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Thank you sir sukkottt . Another fellow - AngelsAndStars- has problems with the creation story . Maybe you can help him with the allegorical view of the story in case he wants to see things from a different perspective .
indeed my kind Sir, always at your service. Well Adam means adamah which means ' from the ground ' meaning a nation of people was raised up from a low state. its the cover name of a nation of people. the story of adam and eve is not the story of the creation of man but the story of the introduction of men with the spirit of God. so in essence there are no actual human beings named adam and eve. its an allegorical story. a masterpiece if I may add smiley

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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:12pm On Dec 02, 2016
sukkottt:
indeed my kind Sir, always at your service. Well Adam means adamah which means ' from the ground ' meaning a nation of people was raised up from a low state. its the cover name of a nation of people. the story of adam and eve is not the story of the creation of man but the story of the introduction of men with the spirit of God. so in essence there are no actual human beings named adam and eve. its an allegorical story. a masterpiece if I may add smiley

cool

Its a fascinating perspective , it has always been . Please dear sir , how about opening a thread on this whenever you've got time .

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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by sukkottt: 11:20pm On Dec 02, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


cool

Its a fascinating perspective , it has always been . Please dear sir , how about opening a thread on this whenever you've got time .
Sure enough my kind Sir I will get around to it tomorrow. I am kinda smashed tonight lol. if you remind me tomorrow if I dont forget I will definitely do that wink

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Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by ScienceWatch: 12:01am On Dec 03, 2016
AngelsAndStars:
I'll try to make this as brief as possible.

I come from a very religious family and as it is, i was "forced" to attend church programs and vigils against my desire. with time i grew to dislike religion not because i had a reason to other than as a rebellion against my parents for forcing it too much on me. the dislike grew so strong even till this day.

My school days gave me freedom, i attended churches only when i felt like or when a girl makes me go or when i am invited to a special occasion by a friend, in all these period i dislike religion because of how my parents behave(even till this day)

This caused me pain and anger against religion. then questions began to flow in.

Is it by force to serve God?
Is this the right way to serve God?
these and many other atrocities committed by religious people made me dislike it more.
so many questions came that made me doubt religion.
my friends then in school knew i dislike going to church even when during HND there was a church beside my house still i never stepped in that church except for one occasion where we ate bonce and drank zobo(lol)

Let me skip some part and move to the important one

During my NYSC days. i met a friend. he studied philosophy, an indegene of the village i served somewhere in south west. usually he comes to our lodge and argue religion with us and i was amazed how someone could challenge religious doctrines(i did but not to that extent). he was good with bible and quranic verses. he is a "muslim"

we became close friends and i got emboldened to also challenge religious doctrine. soon after i was his side man when such arguments came up in corper's lodge. we usually trash the religious people both muslims and christians living in the lodge. usually the christians and muslims would gang up against us then we'll put confusion against both religion and make them face each other then laugh them as stupid, during the first few months of service i was still going to church regularly though, just for the sake of it.

A lot happened and i stopped believing in God. i made the decision not to believe in religion(God) again. this was where things got really interesting.

Just a minute please. i'll complete it
[b]Atheism is a mental illness….[/b]
The insane men who founded atheism also have the greatest influence on Psychology and Psychiatry, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley and Nietzsche all shared certain common experiences and a definite psychological pattern is evident. Their early childhoods were marked by some form of spiritual training. They were men whose dominating, overbearing and even abusive fathers led them to rebellion and renunciations of God.

[b]They endured cold, ruthless parents, [/b]grew up in an environment of bullying and abuse often done in the name of God.
These boys hated their fathers, these spiritual wounds festered a rebellion against a hostile father they identified with a hostile God. They made it their lives work to destroy the God who had come to symbolize their father.

Charles Darwin – [/b]he lived the greatest portion of his life in deep depression, there is a history of mental illness in his family. He believed his dad had the power of prediction; He had an endless catalogue of psychosomatic illnesses and lived as a semi invalid barely past thirty.

[b]Thomas Henry Huxley- [/b]he detested his hot tempered father he suffered terrible bullying at school and had a terrible fear of insanity, which ran in his family. In fact his father died in an insane asylum. His hatred of God was rooted in the fear that the insanity in his family was caused by unclean spirits. He believed he had been poisoned by vapours from a dead body. After his only son dies of scarlet fever he detested God and believed he was cruel, hostile, angry and indifferent to suffering.

[b]Nietzsche –
Grew up with no male role model, he was a repressed homosexual and a victim of syphilis, depression and senility. He blamed his mom for the death of his father.

Sigmund Freud – he believed a female is a failed boy and he was obsessed with the incestuous conquest of his mother and rivalry with his dad. The desire to have sex with his mother and kill his father haunted his dreams. He believed women wanted sex with there fathers and stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were villains.

These four prophets of atheism and many more all had powerful domineering fathers. They were fearful, weak, submissive kids. They all grew up with a history of headaches, depression , obsessive fears, extreme shyness, intestinal disorders, and made it there lives work to destroy God who had come to symbolize there fathers.
“ Its Madness”
View full article here:
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Atheism-is-a-mental-illness-20120413
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by Certitude(m): 12:08am On Dec 03, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


There are so many possible sobriquets you could have chosen , why 'certitude' If you say na choice then na choice to use the word undecided

Just run a search and see that you use that word more than any other nlander
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by ScienceWatch: 12:21am On Dec 03, 2016
ifenes:


You did not become an Atheist,instead you sort for answers you couldn't find in religion. You were after your missing piece,the missing piece of the puzzle that bothers the religious folks,even Atheists......The question; WHO AM I?

But being religious and Atheist are two sides of a coin. Both are coming from a wrong angle,hence the dilemma they find themselves. "WHO AM I" is the question both failed to answer. I call it the fight between the Left and Right parts of the brain. A full understanding of both will lead you to a good answer.
Atheism is a mental disorder or illness :

The results of this study have unnerved even the most stoic scientists, physicians and researchers.

[b]New information from a 22-year old study at a German University [/b]has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing.

[b]Doctors are searching for a gene [/b]that might cause a correlation between serious mental illness and what they are calling “overt atheism.”

[b]For the time being psychiatrists and research psychologists in Germany [/b]and Switzerland are calling this medical anomaly, “The Misfit Syndrome.”
Doctors at the University in Hamburg have been investigating the connection between religious beliefs and overall mental health and the results of the study have unnerved even the most stoic scientists, physicians and researchers.
View the full article here:
http://thedamienzone.com/2012/08/17/atheism-as-a-mental-disorder-or-illness-new-studies-say-yes/
Re: My Experience As An Atheist For Three Weeks. by AngelsAndStars(m): 12:46am On Dec 03, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Thank you sir sukkottt . Another fellow - AngelsAndStars- has problems with the creation story . Maybe you can help him with the allegorical view of the story in case he wants to see things from a different perspective .
maybe you should quote where I said I had problem with the creation story. you really need to be careful.

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