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Antichristian2:
I don't know when these so-called Christians become so cunning, abusive and devisive!

When one Muslim says a thing then he's talking for all Muslims.

But when one Celestial Church of Christ or Jehovah Witness or Cherubim & Seraphim or other thousands Christian denominations they don't agree with talk they wouldn't want it ascribed to Christianity!

Na so Jesus talk say "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matthew 7:5.

Do you believe TB Joshua, Mose Orimolade of C & S, Joseph Babalola of CAC and Samuel Oshoffa of Cele were Christians and Men of God?

@Bolded: Yes, sir. Next question, please.


Please answer my question on the Holy Spirit.

Antichristian2:
Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel in Islam. Allah sends him to His messengers to strengthen them in ways He wills. He is the head of the Angels. He has six hundred wings, each of which covers the horizon. Angels are created from light and they never disobeys Allah! They are always worshiping Allah or in his service!

It seems to me that Muhammad, by his words and actions, have exhausted all means and avenue to blasphemy God's Spirit. He cannot find a newer and better way to commit this horrible sin. Your words reminds me of Christ's dire rebuke of the Pharisees when they accused him of healing by a strange power. I'd tell you what he said to them, but answer this first: who do you think the Holy Spirit is?

Your prophet might think the Holy Spirit is an ant, or an elephant, a force, or whatever. I take his words for granted and with a pinch of salt, but not yours.

1. Who do you say the Holy Spirit is? Do you have the same opinion as your prophet

2. What do you think of Christians who say they have the "Holy Spirit"? Also, do you think some Christians might have the "Holy Spirit" as they say?
NB: I am putting the Holy Spirit in quote to appeal to your unbelief.

I have other questions I would like to ask you, but answer this first. Please do it in my thread.

Here: https://www.nairaland.com/8369378/holy-spirit-not-good-jinn

Versitee:
Thank you very much.
I wanted to contact them, but then I realized that if I do so before taking the loan, they might restrict me.

I believe I have to get the loan first before talking to them.

You don't have to contact them from the account you would be taking the loan from. You can contact them from an anonymous email.

Your question should be what you stated here, in all honesty. How they could assist you should you default in meeting the terms of agreement.

Just tell them everything you stated here. .

Someone once said because of man's habits that no good deed goes unpunished . You want to contact them to see how this good deed of yours (your blunt honesty to them about the situation) would go unpunished. To be frank, it would not be fair if you can't pay back the loan or even the capital after nine months.

Sit down and re-access the situation. Four-hundred thousand is chicken feed, but if there are other ventures you could venture into, or that could give your a quicker ROI than recycling waste, then I would say - go for it. Unfortunately, I don't know of any.

Versitee:
I plan on taking a loan of 400k from fairmoney.

I am taking the loan knowing fully well that I cannot pay back 900k in 9 months.( Which is what they are asking me to pay back. 100k monthly)

I am investing in waste recycling and before I make a single dime from the business, it should take about 6 months.

I plan on paying back like 600k when I'm done, that's like ending of the year.

My question is will God forgive me for taking a loan that I know fully well that I can't pay back?

Since you'd be able to pay back the initial amount and a little on top when the year ends, then I would say yes, God will forgive you. This isn't really an unforgivable offense.

It's not as if you want to use the money for ventures that profit very little; meaningful hard-work is what God demands of us and he wants us to tow that path. He understands how much risk we might face on our path to financial liberation. The problem, from what you have said, seem to be the interest that would accrue over time.

Give or take, if you'd be able to pay the interest on the sum in a little less than twice the initial set date, then I'd say you are good provided you are able to offset the initial borrowed capital when you said you would offset it - which is when the year ends.

You can get in touch with FairMoney support to see how they could assist you in this regard though.

On another note, the interest on the borrowed sum is too much. They are taking greed to an unprecedented high. You have to pay back more than double what you borrowed in less than a year. Talk of making bricks without straw.

Ah, @Antichristian2: I thought you left the religion thread for the real Odogwu's like us. I didn't know that you are as hot as a blue-coloured star. Wow! So you are back.

Could you explain who the Holy Spirit is, his persona, how he dwells, inspires the believers, what he does, who gets it, and why Muslims do not have the Holy Spirit and do not even claim they do. Explain to me like I am five years old. Explain to a bald wretch like myself if you do not agree with Abdul's submission that the Holy Spirit is a good evil spirit.

Here: https://www.nairaland.com/8369378/holy-spirit-not-good-jinn

Your contribution is needed. Welcome back. Meanwhile, someone should please play me a song called Gbedu as three fellows, Idiot, Madness, and Stupidity entertain us. They are already at the market-square with their genitals exposed and dangling before our eyes.

VAR technology has reduced the euphoria of the game. We are no longer as giddy and ecstatic when events happen as we used to be. You can say hi if you're one of the Don't-Rejoice-Yet crews.

It has made football boring to watch and less entertaining per time because now, you're like - O wait for it, this referring decision is gonna be overturned.

Despite VAR calls, it has not always produced balanced judgments. It has not. Man is actually the problem, not technology. Give a monkey a car, a fine ride, he can't ride (Note: I didn't say he wouldn't ride).

What we need are unbiased referees with somewhat of a balanced judgment. We cannot always get it right; errors of minimal magnitude should be part of the game. The VAR technology, I would say, should be..... yes, scraped.

Gentledove2001:
They only remember God when things are hard for them. Nonsense

Not bad, though. Hehe!

Pain, suffering, and poverty is God's microphone, his loudspeakers, to rouse a deaf people. If there were no pain, most of us wouldn't have shown even the slightest interest in God.

Even God himself said so.

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“I also gave you cleanness of teeth [because of the famine] in all your cities And lack of bread in all your places, Yet you have not returned to Me [in repentance],” says the LORD. “Furthermore, I withheld the rain from you When there were still three months until the harvest. Then I would send rain on one city, And on another city I would not send rain; One piece of ground was rained on, While the part not rained on would dry up. “So [the people of] two or three cities would stagger into one city to drink water, But would not be satisfied; Yet you have not returned to Me [in repentance],” says the LORD. “I wounded you with blight [from the hot, blasting east wind] and with mildew; And the caterpillar devoured Your many gardens and vineyards, your fig trees and your olive trees; Yet you have not returned to Me [in repentance],” says the LORD. “I sent a plague among you like [those of] Egypt; I killed your young men with the sword and I captured your horses, I made the stench of your camp rise up into your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me [in repentance],” says the LORD. [2 Kin 8:12; 13:3, 7] “I overthrew and destroyed [some among] you, as [I, your] God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were [rescued] like a log pulled out of the flame; Yet you have not returned to Me [in repentance],” says the LORD. [Gen 19:24, 25; Is 13:19; Jer 49:18] “Therefore this is what I shall do to you, O Israel; Because I will do this to you, Prepare to meet your God [in judgment], O Israel!”

ERockson:
A popular Muslim university in Ilorin does more than that to Christians students and they don't complain.
In fact, All students and visitors must cover their heads in the school and CAN or other christian bodies don't talk about it because nobody force them to go there. The man should always use his brain before issuing statement

Bolded: How do you know this?

Do Christians attend Al-Hikmah university? Can you count them in two hands?

Not arguing, just curious!

Austin4lif:
Lots of federal universities in the north don't have a church on campus. The university will not give land to Christians to build church. We only use class rooms. At a point they wanted to ban christians from using class rooms so that we can continue under mango trees. Islam is victimizing more of the Christians. Adeleke is a private university, Is not a must to attend.

I cannot think of one federal university that doesn't have a church on its campus.

All federal universities, whether the older or newer ones, whether in the north or south, whether in the west or east, all federal universities have at least one big church in its main campus, or am I mistaken?

BettingTruth:
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Are you trying to make withdrawals into your Canadian or your Nigerian bank account?

Now, if I get this correctly, your main account makes withdrawals and deposit in Canadian dollar (which means you are somewhat having a link to the country) but you're Nigerian based based on IP report. Is that incorrect? If you are as I guess, I think that's good reasons to get you flagged.

zuby4real10:
Bought mine N12k in 2010 as a student living in off campus. Na we be big guys then wey get this kind of gen. This life is really vanity i swear.

Angelfrost:
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That is how bad the country has gotten.

Your contributions to this thread is earnestly sought and duly appreciated.

And sorry if you are not mentioned, I still want to hear your views, too.


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@RealLordZeus: I am waiting for you. I want you to educate me.

Samueltemi337:
Sorry but he didn't ask for your opinion

But what you just said is also your opinion, and I didn't ask for it.

AlphaNugget:
Man Utd should do normal.....till tomorrow evening, muahhhh

I don't have the slightest confidence of Man United winning this match.

If I were you, I would cash-out this 90k without blinking twice. Hitting the cash-out button ten times. I go so press am ehn.

Please do it. Cash out.

RealLordZeus:
The theme of your write up is that Muslims deny the existence of The Holy Spirit or let me use in your words believe The Holy Spirit is not a good Jinn.

You deduce this based on your discussion from a friend Abdul and thus inferred that its a general belief of all Muslim.

I replied your post by saying No, You and your friend are wrong, Muslim believe in the existence of The Holy Spirit and verily not a Jinn, I quoted some verses from the Holy Quran (which you also acknowledge that all Muslims follow strictly). Yet you said your friend Abdul or whatever is right.
Now answer this, between your friend and the Holy Quran, which does Muslims worldwide follow?


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Okay, I must admit, that is what I actually thought. Abdul is a devote Muslim and so I must have believed that his point of view is the general belief among the Muslim Ummah. Apologies!

RealLordZeus:
Regarding your validity of the Holy Quran and comparison with the Bible, I saw it as a futile attempt of someone that doesnt want to acknowledge that he is wrong and digressing from the original write up, that is a different topic entirely, you can create a new thread on it and if if i have the time and find it logical to engage you, I will educate you further.

But regarding the theme of this thread, your friend Abdul (Although no reasonable Muslim will ever bear that name) is wrong and the evidence is the Holy Quran which all Muslims use as guidance.

Now, the bold cracked me up.

You remind me of that fine saying of one of Israel's king who sent back this answer to one of his adversaries: “A warrior putting on his sword for battle should not boast like a warrior who has already won."

Do it! I am right here.

RealLordZeus:
So basing your general Muslim belief on the ranting of your imaginary friend is wrong.
This is why you lot have misconceptions on Islam.. swallowing every propaganda without accurate research

I dont know where you get your friend

I do not belong to a family of birds called the Nightingale or the Mockingbird. I don't sing songs. I tell.

If I didn't converse with this fellow, I wouldn't have shared it here on the forum. Your suspicion is justified, but this conversation happened when I said it happened.

RealLordZeus:
But every Muslim knows about the existence of the Holy Spirit and yes, The Spirit is not a Jinn
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"They are asking thee concerning the Spirit (Arabic: ruhi). Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord (Arabic: ruh min-amr), and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little."
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"Say, the Holy Spirit (Arabic: ruh al-qudus) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims"
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"...We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Arabic: ruh al-qudus)..."

You clearly do not see some of the quagmires and have refused to form an opinion on the subject. My friend Abdul, quite ironically, is only being a true Muslim and consistent in what he believes.

Can you prove that Muhammad got his revelation from God beyond what he claims and beyond what has been penned in the Quran? I am asking you for evidence beyond what the Quran claims or says about Muhammad. The Christian would tell you, for instance, that what God told Joshua some two, three, four thousand years ago is absolutely true

Baldwretch:
Numbers 27:18. NLT. The Lord replied, “Take Joshua son of Nun, who has the Spirit in him, and lay your hands on him."

Because he has that same spirit dwelling in him today. Whatever transpired in the past happened as the writers claimed and to a very reasonable degree even though he is not there when the events was penned. He has spiritual evidence.

The Christian would tell you, for instance, that there was a historical Jesus who died by crucifixion because he makes promises of sending the Holy Spirit which materialized in their life. This is spiritual evidence that corroborates to a very great extent what the gospel writers already penned down many years ago.

You can provide yours, not necessarily the same.

Don't tell me the Quran is right because it says so.

On the other aspect: If Christians are on the wrong path as different surah say, then they should not be strengthened with the Holy Spirit. If I am a sworn enemy of Tinubu, for instance, he wouldn't want the general public to see us hanging out together, or would he? If Christians, by their beliefs, practices, and non-belief in Muhammad have raised their fist against, and have become sworn enemies of God, he wouldn't send his spirit to dwell in them, or would he? A spirit of God sent from God symbolizes his presence with them. It follows that the surah that says that the Christians are destined for Hell is not true or the Christians do not have the Holy Spirit as they have claim. There is no other inescapable conclusion to make.

And if Christians are on the right path, Muhammad should never have been a prophet in the first place. His calling as a prophet is primarily borne out of a human falling, a falling out with God (or of those entrusted with the law); to correct the decadence, the bad practices of those who would be looked up to as ambassadors of God. Why is he a prophet then if Christians are on the right path?

If "the Holy Spirit (Arabic: ruh al-qudus) has brought revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims." Why don't Muslims get strengthened by this same Holy Spirit today? I am asking this because Abdul said no Muslim has the Holy Spirit in him. It is either one of two things then: Muhammad is lying through his teeth, or he has no clue what he is saying.

In other words, Christians have the Holy Spirit today or at least claim that they do and Muslims do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them today and do not even claim they do, then we have to honestly ask why God sends his spirit on one and not on the other. Aren't they his servants or claim to be servants? There is no room to play mind games with God or shove aside manifest signs as one of his secret will. The signs are as clear as they can be. We cannot attribute clear signs from God as one of his hidden counsels. God never acts hypocritically. If he wants it to be one of hidden counsels, it would be hidden. It is not.

There should be a reason for the obvious things that he does and I expect you to ask questions, or answer me, not push it aside or try to deny it like Abdul. .

Here's some forks for your....

The day before yesterday and yesterday, I had a conversation with an erudite Mathematician of the prestigious Better By Far university; a friend, a man of timber and caliber. I conversed with this very devote Muslim. For the sake of this piece and to keep him anonymous, I'd call him Abdul.

I saw Abdul with the Quran as I was on the move, so I stopped by. After exchanging pleasantries and without further ado, it was as if he wanted to engage me. My friend pointed me to a surah in the Quran that says that all Jews and Christians are going to Hell. Then quickly, he flipped backwards taking me to another surah that repeats what the first Surah said.

This guy is the real definition of a religious nutcase - he doesn't even believe that God exists. Only "Almighty Allah"

He never address the supreme deity as "God" or "Almighty God" even though we both spoke English. Once when I tried to jokingly talk him out of it, Abdul shut my trap. Saying with full confidence that there's nothing like Almighty God or Yahweh or Jehovah; only Almighty Allah. . I don't even remember the reasons he gave.

He said that all Muslims who do not follow the teachings of the prophet and all Christians without exceptions are headed for Hell. He opined that people who said that the two faith worship the same God are misguided, thoroughly ignorant, and that they should repent. I agreed with him though. He's right on this one. He talked of how "no other religion would be accepted of anyone" by Almighty Allah (not the Christian or the Jews) except Islam. He proved what he said from the Quran with a surah. We spoke at length and for hours.

As we got talking and before our argument got intense, darting back and forth like lightening, the subject of "spirits" was broached.

Abdul's initial position is that there are no spirits on the earth. Then I pointed out people, especially females, who suffer bouts of demon-possession and often fall under the influence of the demon. What about them, I asked. He was hesitant. He rejected the idea of demons at first and later conceded, but then he argued that these people are possessed by what he calls Jinns.

When I lived with the Hausa's in the north, I remember they used to say "Aljani"

I argued that, okay granted, these people are possessed by Jinns as he's insinuating, but that would infer that God's spirit, the Holy Spirit, is also on the face of the earth, too, since there are Jinns on the face of the earth. If Jinns inhabit humans, why is it unthinkable to believe that the Holy Spirit inhabit people too?

He quickly retorted by saying that there is no such thing as the Holy Spirit on the face of the earth. That the Holy Spirit left the face of the earth with the ascension of Jesus. All the spirit inhabiting Christians today, or as he puts it, all the spirits which Christians claim inhabit them are nothing more than Jinns. Not all Jinns are bad though. There are good Jinns. A Christian who lives a perfectly normal life might be possessed by a spirit, a good Jinn, but not the Holy Spirit. What he said sounded like the view of a devote Muslim, or I don't know if there are contrarian here, or if I misunderstand this position.

Actually, the so-called argument for Jinns popped up because I argued that if Christians have the Holy Spirit in them as they claim and if they are headed for the fires, for Hell, as the Quran claims, then that would be irreconcilable, mutually exclusive, and would make not make any sense at all. It would cast aspersion on the divine attribute. Would God support with his spirit those whom he wants to punish; those who have severely ignited his displeasure? What exactly is a "good Jinn" supposed to do in a Christian's life if he is not there to torment him? If this Jinn is not tormenting him, dwindling the quality of his life, or making life a living hell for him, wouldn't God's character be called into question for encouraging and cheering heads-on, by a good Jinn, those whom he is angry with? And wouldn't the Christian misjudge and misidentify this Jinn as an encouragement from his God when they are, in fact, signs of chastisement and future warnings? Would God be fair to punish them then?

Christians do not have good Jinns at birth. Most Christians who have this so-called "Jinns" as Abdul calls it are devout Christians; more in believers well-advanced in age - older people in their late 50s, 60s, or even 70s who have tasted everything, who have encountered the storms of life and who now see religion as somewhat of a do-or-die affair. It would not make any sense to support these ones and pour a "good Jinn" on them when they are clearly on the wrong path. What they need, like other disbelievers, is a Jinn that would make life unbearable for them, so that they can repent.

He argued that regardless of what I think Almighty Allah most definitely will punish them. No Christian would escape. God pours out "good Jinns" on them first, so that they can be deceived for the burning in Hell. He deceives whom he wants.

So I asked him what of those Muslims who have bad Jinns. What of those who would be known as being demon-possessed in Christendom?

He said God is only trying those ones. That sounded like a very logically incoherent statement. So I was forced to present my argument from the start again and this is what I said:

Men would always argue about what transpired in history when they weren't in existence.They would argue about what happened when they weren't there. When they are not eye-witnesses to factual occurrence, but others who have long died and buried are. In the year 30xx or in the year 40xx or even in the year 70xx or so (if it doesn't please the LORD God to end the world by then), when we have long died and decayed, the subject of what is the right path for all of mankind would be broached with the former, a Christian, claiming that his own religion is the right path while the latter, a Muslim, would claim that his is the straight path. There would be no end to this discussion and wranglings in the annals of history till the very end of time.

The nominal Christian believes that everything (or at-least all the theological points) he says as they are written in his bible is accurate and on-point because his bible says so, and so do the Muslim. A belief based on what a religious book says, however, does not prove that either party or both debaters are right, so ruffling these feathers and shaking tables (even the tables of my own beliefs), all the while scattering the dishes of teachings and dogmas thereon in an attempt to get to the truth. Let me doubt and ask for more evidence beyond what the holy books say and beyond the many claims it makes.

Take the bible. We don't know whether Moses was inspired to write the creation account at the command of God, or if he was inspired by something or someone else. He might have stolen the creation account of an ancient myth that precedes him or someone else might have written the creation account under a false name which we know today as Moses. It is possible. We just don't know. We weren't there as he penned down everything. We don't know if God performed all the miracles against the land of Egypt as the bible claims he did. We don't know whether the miracles which God wrought through the prophets when the Kingdom of Israel was fully established are as they are written in the Torah and as the bible writers claimed it happened. We weren't there.

We cannot be sure of how or what transpired as Moses claimed to have beheld the immense glory of God, or of how he claimed, in his writings, that thousands upon thousands saw the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire that symbolized God's glorious presence. He said it. We weren't there. We cannot know with conclusive evidence. We are not sure the Sun stood still for a whole day as Joshua claims. He's the one making that claim. We would need a time machine to go back in time to see what it feels like to experience a regular day without the sun-setting. Science has neither proven nor verified his claims. We cannot know with absolute certainty about events that transpired in the past when we weren't there and events that happened as the writers claimed it happened. We just weren't there to know with a great deal of certainty. I could go on and on and on about other claims the Hebrew bible which we call Old Testament makes about historical events.

Let's head over to the New Testament. We don't know whether a historical Jesus even existed. It might just be all in our head. We don't know if he performed all the miracles the bible writers claim he, in fact, performed. Just because some independent writer claim that Jesus performed miracles doesn't make it true. Walking on the water, feeding the multitudes, healing the sick and rising from the dead are awe-inspiring and worship-provoking events, but these are but what they are -CLAIMS!

While he was on a journey to persecuting Christians, Paul talked of Jesus Christ who had died and who was long crucified appearing to him. That takes more than basic faith to believe.

What I am saying is that there is no empirical way to prove a factual claim that occurred in the past. The skeptics or the irreligious would disagree because the claim is what the bible says and the evidence is the bible. They conclude by calling it a circular argument.

The same that has been said thus far of the bible can be said of the Quran and Muhammad. The Quran makes so many claims. The first of all claims that the Quran makes is this: God through his angel revealed himself to Muhammad and said so-and-so. All other claims in the Quran depend and rest on this very claim. The claim that God said. How would he prove this claim though? Imagine that at one point in his life, a voice was heard from the cloud saying, "O people of Arabia and beyond, Muhammad is a prophet, a beloved prophet of mine, listen to whatever he says to you. He never speaks on his own initiative." That would be more than corroborative evidence. That would essentially be a lips-shutter, argument-wrangler, contention-killer. That would essentially shut all lips, seal all mouths, and put to death all claims against his prophet-hood.

But that never happened. Or at least we don't have record of that happening.

That being said, Spiritual claims which the two faith preach, represent, and stand upon need spiritual evidence to substantiate, not physical evidence or claims.

However, only the Christian faith produces spiritual evidence:

The Holy Spirit.

That was what I told Abdul. The Holy Spirit dwelling in a believer's body (literally) is what I would call spiritual evidence that substantiates, corroborates, and makes valid the case for the Christian faith. It argues for the truthfulness of Christianity and the falsehood of Muhammad beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Let me be clear here: The Christians are not reinventing the wheel. The wheel has always been there. God has always related with his people, his chosen ones, those with whom he chooses to worship and come before him, by his spirit. He puts his spirit in them.

Spiritual evidence of this sorts cannot be counterfeited since God alone has absolute authority over all spirits. Physical evidence which always takes the form of instruction or claims are prone to counterfeiting and often are.

Then I made a point in his hearing that suppose we got into an argument on Bola Tinubu, Nigeria's president, being a close friend of mine and that I have interacted with him on several occasions and suppose he doesn't agree with this claim of mine. After several back and forth. He still doesn't agree that I have seen or interacted with the president.

Suppose one day he sees me chatting with Bola Tinubu in his neighbourhood, wouldn't that end our long-standing argument of my relationship to the president?

He agreed.

Then, I said the same can be said of the Christian's relationship with God by his claims of being possessed by his Spirit as the Bible says. This is more like a living claim. A claim made thousands of years ago and is fulfilled in his life today.


That absolutely proves Christianity to be true.

bingbagbo:
There are many errors in your rebuttals, my post addresses them. But the moment I read the bolded, I knew you do not know what you are saying. Kindly check the following as to whether or the Sabbath was a shadow:

Colossians 2:16-17
[16]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
[17] which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Further:

Christ Is The End of The Law (Romans 10:4)

. Please, explain your position clearly.

bingbagbo:
Intriguing question.

The Sabbath was one of 10 commandments The Lord gave the Israelites through Moses (Exodus 20).

The Sabbath denoted rest from work on the seventh day; many believe the seventh day is Saturday (I am not contesting this belief).

Even under the dispensation of The Law (Moses), the Priests were exempted from the Sabbath (Matthew 12:5).

Moreover, the born-again is not under the dispensation of the law and prophets, he is under the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). The law and the prophets was until John The Baptist (Matthew 11:13).

Now, if even priests under the old covenants profaned the Sabbath and yet were blameless according to Matthew (12:5) how much more blameless is the born-again in regard to the Sabbath, he being a priest and a king in Christ (Revelations 1:6; Revelations 5:10).

The Sabbath was a typology of rest in Christ; to the born-again everyday is a Sabbath - rest in Christ. The born again is free to work and do all things all day including the seventh day provided these activities/works are not sinful.

The Lord Jesus himself who is our Standard and Lord of the Sabbath worked on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-15).

The Sabbath was a shadow of the real substance which is Christ Jesus (Colossians 2:17) - Now we have Christ Jesus (the substance and reality), why do you want to hold on to a shadow?

Why do you keep gazing at the photo of your spouse when your spouse is right with you?

Do you engage in any activity/work at all on Saturdays as a sabbatarian ?

Matthew 12:11
Then He (Jesus) said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?

I come in peace

Let me bold-face my position first.

Yes, Christians are supposed to observe the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a sign between God and all human creatures; it is not like the covenant God made with Abraham that was ratified between God and ancient Israel. And yes, the Sabbath is a Saturday.

Unfortunately, we do not observe the Sabbath because we are a product of bad history; a product of human error and mischief. FYI, I am neither a member of Seventh Day Adventist nor a member of any other Christian sect that are strict Sabbatharians (don't know if I spelled that correctly) but I think they are dead right on this subject of Sabbath observance.

Yes, while the born again is not under the dispensation of the law and the prophets; yet, it seems the born again, like the non born again, is not allowed to kill, murder, or commit other vices which are the foundation of the laws God gave Moses. How do we harmonize this?

Flip your bible to Exodus 20 and tell me if there is any, or just one of the Ten commandments that the born again Christian is permitted to absolve himself of, if there is none, so why should Sabbath observance be done with, or is it not one of the Ten Commandments?

Priests under the old covenant did not profane the Sabbath. They were doing God's work which is actually what the Sabbath denotes, so if Christ was healing on the Sabbath, he wasn't profaning the Sabbath because he is doing God's work.

If God said, "Hey, you, come here. Stay here and do so-and-so every Saturday," and says to another, "Hey, you come here. Stay there and do so-and-so every Saturday," would you argue that either or both of us have profaned the Sabbath?

NO!

Neither the priest on duty in the temple nor the citizens who would not even light a fire in their homes, but spend the duration memorizing scriptures have violated the Sabbath.

We are instructed not to work or even light a match on the Sabbath because work is a great inhibitor to devotion to God. If God had only instructed us to remember him on the Sabbath day without express prohibition against work, the Sabbath would lose its relevance. But if you have to work for God on the Sabbath, then you have not profaned the Sabbath. That is what they failed to understand. Your reasons consequently falls apart.

Let me tell you what the Sabbath is in a nutshell. God is saying I creating everything in six literal days, so you all should celebrate and remember me the next day.

The Sabbath is not a shadow of the real substance. It is not a shadow at all. What you are doing is what I'd call false dichotomy. The Sabbath is not a shadow. A day God pronounced as sacred before there was any religion is not comparable to God's redemptive plan for the human race in Christ Jesus. Our problems as Christians is that we want to do away with everything hitherto because Christ has saved us from our sins and God has accepted him as sacrifice. I'd remind you that the Sabbath was made sacred before even man sinned.

We were never at any point instructed to do away with the Sabbath. I think early Christians, all of them, observed the Sabbath. I have not studied this subject, but I can confidently tell you that God never abrogates his laws.

Hey, I want you to do so-and-so but because Christ had come, you can just pass


NO!!!

Savenigeria2023:
Wow, None of us is leaving here alive.

Take it easy with life

Pay me good money at the end of the month to come to you every day at dinner or in your office.

Or pay someone else.

I would come to you in tattered rags, torn trouser, made in Venus cover-shoe, posing elegantly and sweating profusely, marching swaggerliciously and screaming in your ears with a voice of thunder while causing a scene.

Saying, "Remember Savenigeria2023, you are but mortal. You will die!"

OMEGA009:
Copy and paste journalism. You should first educate your audience on what polypropylene is.

Polypropylene is used to make plastic and all its components or parts.

StillDtruth:
I have never seen any person try to impress a Muslim, so its not the bold.

Where do you live? Uyo? Onitsha? Abakaliki? Calabar?

MaxInDHouse:
Please what do you call FASTING?

Because the only reason why Muslims are fasting is because their prophet read about it in the Bible and he felt his religion won't meet the criteria if fasting is not inclusive but first we need to ask ourselves:
What is fasting?

Fasting is an act of worship where the observer denies himself of needs or bodily necessities to seek communion with God, or to get his attention. Some would say that there are different kinds of fast, fasting from this-and-that, yes, while true, any fast that does not deny one's self of food and water is not properly a fast.

I do not think Muhammad is requiring his followers to Fast because he read about it in the bible. According to him, the Muslim should fast because the Quran was revealed in this month. His claims of getting divine revelation from Yahweh or one of his angels, Gabriel, though, is a well-crafted devil's lie, but it is still a claim anyway.

StillDtruth:
Correcte!

I believe people know however, these are moments these evil church going people need so that they can use it to appear righteous

Many Christians do not know, or at least the nominal ones. We have all being there, passed through that.

While I do not agree that your label should be used of these Christians; it seems many want to put up a defense albeit ignorantly before the Muslims who ask why they are not Fasting or when they are required to Fast. .

So I was in the market today to get some drugs. The pharmacist who was supposed to attend to me, a Christian lady, got talking to someone else and I overheard her say, "Don't worry, our own fast would start soon. On March 5th"

Those are not her words verbatim, but she said something very close.

This is certainly not the first or the second time I have heard Christians talk like this. A while ago, two or three weeks back, I got talking with a Roman Catholic commercial motorcyclist and he talked about "Lent" and how Christians are required to fast the duration, in the presence of other commercial motorcycle riders who are Muslims.

I have to say this: There is no mandatory Fast for the Christian faithful. If you have a hard time understanding English, I would say it quite plainly again: We are not required to fast as a matter of command. There is NO Compulsory Fasting in the Christian faith.

What we have is a voluntary fast. The Christian who wants to bring himself to the Lord's attention, or who wants to enjoy deeper fellowship and communion with God, or who wants the Lord to continue his great work in him, or who wants to just deny himself before his God, not for anything in particular, or for some special favours (or request) would find himself regularly drafting mental timetable, again and again, for when he would fast and when he would break his fast. It is entirely up to him. At a point in his Christian walk, he would find himself fasting quite regularly. VOLUNTARILY!


The Christian Fast is not a Fast that is necessitated by a divine command.

The Jews of old only fast once in a year on the Day of Atonement when offerings of purification were made for them. On that Day, the scapegoat (the origin of the word) takes the sins of the people into the wilderness through an elaborate ritual practice. That is the only time we would have been required to Fast as a command had Christ not come, but praise God, thanks be to God, the perfect atonement has been made and God has accepted it. We would not have to fast once a year as mandated in the law and certainly not thirty days or less in a given calendar year.

Dabati:
I think it's based on your overall stakes.
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Enjoy!

Sam2310:
i think amount given is not determine by how long you are away...

Sometimes when you see money, you might not realize how quickly thoughts become words.

I was only thinking loud and forgot when I penned that down. I should have just asked how long he's been away.

Thanks for the corrections.

Dabati:
Guy, I truly and sincerely may not need the 1k.
I got 128k+ "Welcome Back Gift" on Friday from Sportybet and I staked it with just 2 odds.
Withdrew this afterwards, then close the account again.
Not everyone is looking for giveaway like that. That's why I said you should lock up.

Modified: Screenshot removed

Oops! That's quite much.

How long were you away to have gotten that much?

Yesterday, Betking gave me 150 Naira freebet.

I happy. Naso I carry Man United to score two goals; Arsenal to score a goal against Nottingham Forest, and RB Leipzig to score two goals.

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I am gradually losing hope in betting. Looks like I might not hit it big soon Of all miseries that wound the soul, despair kills it dead.

Jamaica? Do our people still go there? I thought its an endless cycle of gang violence and crime. . That is not the case?

Anyway, your post reminds me of the country's National Anthem which I heard during one football Friendlies. More of a prayer!

Eternal Father bless our land, Guard us with thy mighty hand, keep us free from evil powers, be our light through countless hours; to our leaders, great defender, grant true wisdom from above..... .

Maybe you can teach me!

Ohyoudidnt:
I see you are more concerned with poking fun.

Poking fun? How? I am simply telling you to explain the thorny situation that Muhammad put his adherents.

If you go to the Middle East or any Muslim-dominated region today, there is real disobedience to the words of God with people eating the camel, lobsters, the prawn, all sorts of detestable meat that God has clearly identified as unclean and with people re-marrying their wives who had re-married because Muhammad said it's okay. Do it.

Making fun? How?

Ohyoudidnt:
Essentially what is at the root of food choices?

The root of food choices is left for God to tinker with, not with me and you. What is at the root of the food choice is not for me and you to debate. God has identified them as unclean for food. That is more than enough. If there has been a rule for what is clean and what is not before even Moses was born, during the time of Noah when the patriarch hadn't been born, more than a thousand years apart, how can you be asking this question. Are you going to ask us to explain why God instructs us in the way he does?

Save for blood and the pig, Muhammad essentially put away the food laws that God had given to us to obey for no apparent reason because they do not create a ripple effect in the society. In his depraved mind, these meat do not make us inherently bad and should not have been forbidden. How does eating the snake make you a bad person? Or the lizard? He is also asking the same question you are asking me and thus concludes by putting off the yoke that God had placed on us.

Ohyoudidnt:
Even at that you definitely hold on to wrong propositions.

Taking sides on what and why?

Taking sides on the matter. Can it be said that God made several leaves for what he had forbidden earlier? Why would he?

Would he make leaves for what he had clearly forbidden before there was any law giver? Should it be said that the great God who inspired Moses, the great law giver, and spoke to him repeatedly over a span of 40 years also inspired Muhammad to set aside what he took pains to make known to us? Could Muhammad have been inspired by the same God to contradict and make a leave for what has been forbidden earlier? Can the Kingdom of God be likened to a kingdom, the kingdom of Nigeria, where different regions operate on different laws? Wouldn't these contradictions cast aspersion on and weaken the divine government when there are laws and counter laws during the reign of the same monarch? Can any good thing be said about his character? Who then is to be blamed for this, God or Muhammad? If you say God, that is unthinkable, for God can do no wrong and does not contradict himself. If you say Muhammad, that would also be problematic for the great prophet is inspired to say what the Lord his God says

The Muslim who sincerely wants to do God's will would find this counters very problematic and not try to defend Muhammad's stupidity. You asked me to prove how Muhammad contradicted the law and I just did that; using not one or two situations but three. Even if I could only dig up one where he contradicts laid down law, then we have enough to prove that he was not inspired by the same God that inspired Moses.