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Ohyoudidnt:
No deflection. It is just showing you that indeed some things changed over time. Judaism didn't change perhaps because Jews reject Jesus as a messiah and prophet.

Ohyoudidnt:
It is interesting you take this stand point but ignore your own books.

Acts 10:
13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.

And also Mark 7:
18 Are you so dull? he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
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Perhaps you can explain a little more the position of these verses as to if it takes precedence over Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

Edit: [/b]Well, I would defend your counters from a traditional Christian position, but not yet.

We must stop this act of deflecting arguments. Counter. Just counter me, don't say well your own religion says the same thing. [b]We can all be wrong

Ohyoudidnt:
I should have gone with my initial conviction to reply to you first but felt it better to slow down to holistically reply to you.

I have seen your previous post which you nicely included here but fail to identify the laws countered. Could I implore you to specifically state these?




Could you clarify how the laws of Moses were contradicted in prophethood of Muhammad ; peace be on both of them.

Baldwretch:
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Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14:

9 “Of all the marine animals, these are ones you may use for food. You may eat anything from the water if it has both fins and scales, whether taken from salt water or from streams. 10 But you must never eat animals from the sea or from rivers that do not have both fins and scales. They are detestable to you. This applies both to little creatures that live in shallow water and to all creatures that live in deep water. 11 They will always be detestable to you. You must never eat their meat or even touch their dead bodies. 12 Any marine animal that does not have both fins and scales is detestable to you.

46 “These are the instructions regarding land animals, birds, marine creatures, and animals that scurry along the ground. 47 By these instructions you will know what is unclean and clean, and which animals may be eaten and which may not be eaten.”

AntiChristian:
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Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” [al-Maidah 5:96]. So with this all animals that live only in the sea are permissible to eat.

Baldwretch:
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You may not, however, eat the following animals that have split hooves or that chew the cud, but not both. The camel chews the cud but does not have split hooves , so it is ceremonially unclean for you.

Baldwretch:
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But if the second husband also turns against her and divorces her, or if he dies, the first husband may not marry her again, for she has been defiled. That would be detestable to the LORD. You must not being guilt upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as a special possession.

Ohyoudidnt:
Indeed I understand you somewhat better now however no matter how pretentious an impostor is the true nature eventually reveals.

Perhaps previous 'good' actions were to lure you in and gain your trust then the true 'bad' nature reveals when you're too far gone to think otherwise.

[b]So tell which bad actions did the alleged impostor angel perform. I am sure you have quite a number to share. The scene is yours now. [/b]Give us a show!

Baldwretch:
A man who lived with, used, ate, and especially touched what the Torah calls an unclean animal thereby making himself unclean by this act wants to instruct us on what is clean? Is this not an irony!"

Baldwretch:
1. God gave commandments, instructions, regulations to the tribe of Israel through his prophet Moses.

2. These instructions or commands can also be likened to an order and should be seen as such. All God's commands are actually divine orders. And since we are expressly instructed not to add to or subtract from them, it can well be inferred that all divine orders are orders of perpetual injunction that cannot be modified or broken. We are required to just obey them, not modify or tinker with them.

3. An order implies a prohibition by default. That is what is implied. An order should be prohibitive by its very nature. Yes, orders can also be instructive - saying what you should do. But we don't nitpick a prohibitive order since it is what it is by default. I am not even started about corruption of these divine orders or what have you. I am not even talking about that yet. I am just talking about the nature of orders. "They said we should" can be nitpicked, but "they said we should not" cannot be nitpicked since even honest men agree that we need to be gag quite often . Only contentious people do. It's just like Pascal's Wager where he argues thus: "if God exist, you gain everything and if he doesn't exist, then you lose nothing. Wager then that he exist."

4. Like every sphere of rationale and sentient existence, governance requires a chain of authority. Usually, the highest chain of authority (or perceived to be) is the authority that is first in line (not always the case, though) or the authority that God chooses. I would even argue that the authority that God Almighty chooses is usually the first in line for central succession, for how else would we know and identify God's scale of preference among other authorities prophesying in his name at the same time?

We don't start a relay race with a weak athlete. God agrees and confirms this truth to be the case because this authority (I am talking about) is privileged to receive these instructions at the highest and most loftiest level of prophecy - face-to-face as a man talks to a friend, or between the whirling Cherubims in the Holy Of Holies cheesy grin grin grin, or from the pillar of Cloud and Fire, or through a theophany, or through an Angel (which happens rarely). It was the highest a man could ever get with God. Nothing can be loftier, nothing can be higher, and nothing can be better. God himself proves his authority with instant judgment when naysayers disagreed with this authority.

5. These instruction was given to the Israelite, a Semitic tribe, which God would use to pull mankind to himself either through acts of warfare or through some other means. The Torah as a body of instruction is not meant for ancient Israel alone, but for all of mankind. The Torah, in several isolated passages, makes it very clear that foreigners are subject to the same decrees, instructions, and commands as the natives are and even makes provisions for (certain non-Jewish race) admittance into the temple.

6. In time, other authorities appeared, gave their prophecies as revealed by God, and then they disappeared. These authorities who came in quick succession have the same objectives - namely, to establish the divine government. I was supposed to call them prophets, but since prophets carry divine authority, no expatiation is needed.

Then comes a "righteous" man who claims to have had a revelation from the same God that appeared to the first authority - Moses. This authority would be renowned for starting off the groundwork for belief in the most "mischievous" of claims; namely, that one authority needs to confirm another authority or that one authority needs to confirm the messages given to another authority by the same God. Also, this authority, as the last authority of his unsubstantiated claim, would cleverly bar his own revelation from thorough "spiritual" scrutiny (not physical examination) since other authorities after him have not been sent. grin grin grin grin

6. Human government is a terrible mimicry of divine government. There is often wranglings, disagreements, discontents, jostling for power, hijacking for royal successions and more, but that is not so with divine government. Divine government with God on the throne is the most perfect there could ever be of any kind of government. All the delegated authorities agree with each other; respect each other, have the same message regardless of their location or where they live, do not pry into the little details of the contents given to one of them.

No authority re-tells or re-echoes what messages or contents that God the Almighty has revealed to other authorities before him. I didn't have to mention that, but that is actually the case. God glorifies himself immensely and shows the depth of his justice, his power, and especially his love for each of his authorities by hiding from each of the authorities what was disclosed to any of them. We see this at play over and over again. Divine government with the Devil on the throne, even though not as perfect, still show that human government need to be propped with a very long rope. Our government still pales in comparison and far more so. A study of divine government with the Devil on the throne should (or might) educate us on how perfect government is supposed to be run.

7. Also, a study of all the prophets before the authority being referred to is supposed to enlighten us on how perfect government is run.

8. The said authority usurps the role of the first authority, claiming to be a co-central authority and talks about making a couple of instructions "lawful" and "permitted/permissible"- of course, in writing and in deed as the case may be.

9. The said authority claims he has been sent to confirm all the revelations before him and then contradicts the first authority.

10. The contradiction is not a case of textual corruption.

11. Regardless of human locale, environment, or settings, God does not contradict or modify his laws which are the foundation of his government. Even the Devil doesn't. tongue tongue God would not go back on his words which he made to one of his servants when he calls another. That is everything God is not. And even if he does go back on his words, the first of his flock would be the unlikeliest to fall victim because he would not undermine his authority.

12. The said authority cannot be trusted to be an oracle of the Most High, and the problem is not with God, but with the messenger.

The conclusion is therefore necessary and obvious: He is not a prophet sent by God. He is a prophet of his own imagination; he concocted everything.

Ohyoudidnt:
The initial revelation in the Cave of Hira marks a monumental event, demonstrating the profound nature of divine selection. When the Prophet Muhammad pbuh encountered the angel Jibril, the command to "recite" was both a challenge and an invitation to engage with the divine message. The Prophet's initial hesitation, stemming from his unlettered state, highlights the humility inherent in spiritual receptiveness.

The physical manifestation of Jibril a. s encompassing the horizon with his six hundred wings, reinforces the magnitude of this revelation. Such an overwhelming sight instills a sense of awe and certainty in the Prophet about the authenticity of his experience. This was further validated by Waraqah ibn Nawfal, whose recognition of Jibril's role confirms the continuity of divine communication through angels across prophets.

Continued revelations through Jibril cemented this relationship, indicating that the Prophet pbuh was not merely a passive recipient but an active participant in the dissemination of divine wisdom. The Quran explicitly acknowledges Jibril’s pivotal role, affirming him as the "Trustworthy Spirit." Thus, the narrative of Jibril embodies the assurance of divine guidance in a world rife with uncertainty, compelling both believers and skeptics alike to acknowledge his significance as the messenger of Allah.

Ohyoudidnt:
Quran 5:8:
O believers! Stand firm for Allah and bear true testimony. Do not let the hatred of a people lead you to injustice. Be just! That is closer to righteousness. And be mindful of Allah. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what you do.

Interesting you turn your bald retching to questioning if Angel Gabriel;Jibril a. s, who brought the Quran to Muhammad pbuh being an impostor. How would you rather authenticate his identity?

Have you yourself actually ever seen an angel?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Qur'an serves not just as a religious scripture but also as a deep well of moral guidance for its adherents. Its teachings emphasize key virtues such as justice, honesty, compassion, humility, patience, gratitude, forgiveness, charity, modesty, and the importance of refraining from slander, all of which play a crucial role in shaping the personal and social behavior of a believer.

harqinhola:
@OP, I understand what you are trying to do but I hope I am able to convince you to desist from this line of thought after reading my comment. This is going to be a long one, so get a chair .

1. Theological Evidence (Qur’an & Hadith)

The Qur’an explicitly states that the revelations Muhammad (PBUH) received were from God via Angel Gabriel not a lying spirit

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:97:

“Say, ‘Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, it is he who has brought the Qur’an down upon your heart, O Muhammad, by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers.’

The Qur’an consistently affirms its divine origin:
Surah Al-Najm 53:3-4: “Nor does he (Muhammad) speak from his own inclination. It is not but a revelation revealed.”

If the revelation had come from a lying spirit (Satan), the Qur’an would not have repeatedly condemned falsehood and deception. In fact, Surah Al-Haqqah 69:44-47 states that if Muhammad (PBUH) had fabricated anything about God, he would have been punished immediately.

2. Muhammad’s (PBUH) Character and Integrity

Before receiving revelation, Muhammad (PBUH) was known as Al-Amin (the Trustworthy) by his people. A person known for honesty and integrity would not suddenly fabricate divine claims.

Even his enemies admitted that he never lied. Abu Sufyan, a leader of the Quraysh who opposed Islam, was questioned by the Roman Emperor Heraclius about Muhammad’s honesty and admitted that Muhammad never lied.

3. The Message’s Consistency and Ethical Standards

The Qur’an’s teachings are deeply moral, advocating justice, kindness, and truthfulness. If a lying spirit inspired it, why would it command worship of the one true God and prohibit falsehood?

Unlike deceitful spirits that promote corruption and chaos, the Qur’an guides humanity towards righteousness, which aligns with divine revelation rather than deception.

4. The Transformative Impact of the Revelation

The Qur’an revolutionized Arabian society, abolishing practices like female infanticide, tribal vengeance, and economic exploitation. Falsehood does not produce a civilization based on justice, compassion, and learning.

The rapid spread of Islam and its lasting influence show the power of truth, as deceit does not lead to long-term positive change.

5. Biblical Precedents: Angel Gabriel’s Role in Revelation

Angel Gabriel (Jibreel) is a well-known messenger of God in the Bible, appearing to Mary (Luke 1:26-38) and Daniel (Daniel 9:21-23). If Gabriel was truly sent by God before, why would his role be questioned in Islam?

Conclusion

All the evidence scriptural, historical, moral, and logical supports that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) received revelation from God through Angel Gabriel, not a lying spirit. His character, the Qur’an’s teachings, and the transformative impact of his message affirm its divine origin.

PheelzAlmighty:
Finally

But I really don't see how this improves governance in the state or boosts its economy
Anambrarians are hopelessly fetish and trust me, this can't stop the average man from indulging.

donleo92:
Most times is better to get an employment letter. Stating salaries, rules and other stuffs before starting a job.

God knows I can't imagine myself working for such

AllBlack:
They laid me off with immediate effect instead of following the rules by giving me one month notice or the appropriate layoff payment.
I didn't threaten them, I just went straight to my lawyer, next thing na court we enter.

They will cover their loopholes and turn you to a joke. Weigh your options, be sure of yourself and sue if you want to. good luck.

AllBlack:
I remember my last job back in 2011. I didn't just quit, I sued the company to court and made plenty money from them. I don't know why Nigerians like to accept overload of rubbish in the name of E GO BETTER.

God1000:
[s]In what capacity is Elon musk calling for sanctions against Julius Malema?

I so much like the courage of south African politicians, especially Julius Malema, they don't fear or worship any white man[/s]

God1000:
Is it not hypocrisy for trump and his billionaire friend to deport people from America and then turn around to lecture other countries how and what to do

ScamDemicEra:
..... abacha loot no dey finish, for guinness record how much can one person steal ?

ptolemy1:
no need of all these long english bro

ptolemy1:
if they really cared about the FA cup they will not bench their key players
[b]THAT MATCH WAS FIXED. [/b]THE KIND OF MONEY THE,BOOKIES ACROSS THE WORLD WILL GATHER FOR THEM IS WORTH MORETHAN THE USELESS FA CUP THAG THEY WON SEVERAL TIMES

MatrixCircle:
Taribo was once the world highest paid defender.

MatrixCircle:
Go and verify. Statistics has it that 73% of retired professional footballers go bankrupt after 10 years of retirement from football here in the Western world.

MatrixCircle:
Which money ?? For England. If he wants to make money he should have gone to Saudi.
Soon retires probably at 35 , no pension, no profession to fall back on. Then next 10 years at mere 45 when others in different profession are striving you declare bankruptcy for being jobless for 10 years as ex footballer. That's footballer for you. Struggles after football career. Ask Kanu.

Freshtruth:
His Father kill this boy career due to greed and pep Gardiola who is an African racist bury is career how can u sell a boy who scored 16goald from the bench at 21yrs of age to liechester? If ihenacho did had accept Fc Porto move rather than Mancity deal i believe he would have been still be balling in some of the elite clubs today. How wish he career ztill blossom well no be to go saudi Arabia go cash out? Look cristano today he follows process e no rush Barcelona want him then in their academy but he chooses to develop at sporting, use manutd as a stepping stone to secure real Madrid. Now be is enjoying is retirement as the highest paid football in the world at 40yr old unheard off

THEDEEPSIGHT:
You have got it upside down. By all means let him take political vengeance against the politicians he feels instigated it. But touching the civilk servants is wrong. The message is that in future they must not dare investigate a powerful politician. That is all shades of wrong. I dont know how you guys can defend this, but its ok. I know Trumpists will defend even murder.

blowjohn:
I agree.
U cannot witch hunt me just because u want me off the ballot..... Then expect to work for me when I come into power.

It's a dangerous thing to keep frenemies near u.

Fire them. Let them go work for kamal Harris

adioolayi:
USA .... Hallmark of Democracy

Hallmark of democracy my foot!!!

The rottenness in that Nation's democracy is now out for all to see...

He started with firing those in the justice department and now moving to the FBI agent....he is sacking them for doing their job!

America democracy is also nonsense!

DropsMic:
I hope you’re not a Christian because Jesus didn’t care about Black people either.

Babangidapikin:
Strong Institution that is what the U.S is know for , this Dude is practically breaking the institutions ..WTF

OT2024:
This is vindictive.

There's no doubt Trump is on revenge mission. I used to think American leaders are above such sentiments. Now, I know I had been wrong.

But then, no empire lasts forever. I believe this is the beginning of the end of US imperial authority in human history.

Namaster:
First of all, you need to realise that depression is like body odour. It'll follow you EVERYWHERE you go.

If you feel so depressed that you're already suicidal, you need to get it treated ASAP.

DON'T let your depression push you into making a life-threatening MISTAKE.

TACKLE your depression in UK.
DON'T make any DRASTIC decision until you've done that.

If you think your life is HARD in UK, Nigeria would make it look like a tutorial.

Returning to Nigeria should NEVER be an option unless you are 83 and waiting to DIE.

Ibrahimado:
Yeye format, with their guessing work

Ibrahimado:
Yeye format, with their guessing work

AlabiKILLER2023:
Didn't get you


Rephrase please

Joeblaze26:
Up till now you still find it difficult to accept the fact that some people have such amounts of money to stake on accumulative odds? These guys are made already.

Why are you so stubborn with your poor mentality?!

AlabiKILLER2023:
Mr Banks

Have done it again



111m

Kafirbigot:
Sophisticated SW .

This is ILORIN in Kwara State to be Precise ..

Dey play .