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solite3:
@ bold

well, I might be wrong about that and at the same time it doesn't support ur pagan originated Trinity, explain Dan.7:13 into detail and stop dodging

solite3:
go back and reread my post again.
Watch tower agrees that Hebrew 1 : 10
Is referring to Jesus.

where does the watchtower says Heb. 1 :10 is referring to Jesus,? Explain Dan. 7 :13 in Detail

solite3:
Jehovah witness agrees that heb 1:10 is talking about Jesus invariably means that Jesus is Jehovah because the original verse psalm 102 was applied to Jehovah!
It is unthinkable for Jehovah's glory to be given to another!

next tym you want to apply a bible verse ehn, study well to understand rather than coming here, jump in to conclusion and confuse pple. Go to other versions of the Bible and you see that the writer of the Hebrews was quoting the psalmist at psalms 102,infact you u will c a quotation mark at the beginning and quotation mark at the end of verse 12.
Both Heb. 1 :10 and psalm. 102 was referring to Jehovah while Heb.1:8, 9 was about Jesus. 2 different people.
U only mentioned Dan. 7 :13 u didn't explain it. Who is the Ancient of days who gave the Son of Man rulership?ancient of days the same as the Son of Man? That verse said the Son of Man was brought b4 the ancient of days, the Almighty GOD was brought to himself? U ve got to be kidding me! Reason well and don't twist ur reasoning

solite3:
Further proof that Jesus is God Jehovah Almighty of the old testament.


Creation

In the bible God God said he made the heavens and the earth alone without using any other.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou[b] alone,[/b] of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.


Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Note the use of 'alone'and 'by myself"
If Jehovah created all things by himself how is it possible for him to create all things by another?

To whom should we attribute the creation of the heavens and the earth to?

To the Son,
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


This verse reveals that the son is Jehovah God of the old testament.
This verse was taken from psalm 102 which is clearly referred to Jehovah.

REMEMBER, ATTRIBUTING JEHOVAH'S GLORY TO ANOTHER IS ABHORRENT TO JEHOVAH.
Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.


Who shall all people bow and confess?

Jehovah

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

To Jesus

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Who should you believe in for salvation?

Jehovah

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Who is going to Judge the world?

Jehovah by himself
Psalms 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

Jesus
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

These and many more proves that Jesus was the very same Jehovah of the old testament.

Bros y u too dey lie like dis, was Heb. 1:10 talking about Jesus Christ? go back and read from verse 8, verse 8 n 9 was talking about Jesus Christ while 10 is about Jehovah. For quoting John. 5:22 u've just shot ur self in the leg, who committed all judgement unto the Son? himself?
Try and explain Dan. 7:13

DoctorAlien:
We know Jesus is the Son of Man. Nobody has problem with that.

Apostle means "one who is sent out". GOD and His Spirit sent Jesus to redeem man. Nobody has problem with that.

We also know that Jesus Christ is the Almighty GOD; equal with the Father.

Did you notice that the Son of Man was brought b4 the Ancient of days the Almighty GOD,and how is he the same Almighty God ? Jesus was sent by GOD, the Bible do say GOD sent his Spirit for one purpose or the other, have u seen where The Bible said GOD was sent by someone for some purpose? U have to use ur brain man

dolphinheart:
get serious , you are asking childish questions, you want God to directly tell you that he is performing the resurrection through Jesus before you can believe or respond to the numerous verses shown to you.

leave them to their own understanding, they couldn't even explain Heb. 3:1,dan.7:3.u r not their pastor, if their tell Jesus Christ is not God Almighty they will accept

DoctorAlien:
Help your brother barny95 out

Where is it written in the Bible that GOD will resurrect people "through" Jesus Christ

1cor 15:21 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man." Who is that man, you? Lol

DoctorAlien:
barny95,

Please define the word "Almighty".

Explain Dan. 7:13, Heb. 3:1, u have no understanding on this?

DoctorAlien:
Explain the bolded in the light of Jn. 2:19-21.

Also, show us a place where The Bible says Jehovah will resurrect people through Jesus Christ.

mathew 28:18, 18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." all authority was given him including the authority to call and raise up the dead. John 5:28,29.

DoctorAlien:
truthislight,

Phil. 2:9 says GOD gave Jesus Christ a name above every name.

Which name is above every name? Does it mean that name is above Jehovah?

Cc: barny95

Did the Bible not say at 1cor.15:27,28." 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."
God subjected everything to him excluding God who subjected all things to him. If God and Jesus is the same person would that verse exclude God who subjected everything at his feet? So when God gave him a name above every name it is with the exclusion of Jehovah God

DoctorAlien:
The Bible calls Jesus Christ The First and the Last. JWs say GOD the Father is the First and the Last. They say Jesus is the first to be resurrected to immortality and the last "to be resurrected by GOD to immortality."

Fine. Jehovah is the first to do what and the last to do what?

why did you remove the word" directly", just to suit ur claims? There many ways Jehovah could be the first and the Last, one of these is that what he first purposes he will at last perform. U haven't explain Heb. 3:1 and Dan. 7:13,oh they prove ur Trinity is falsehood, I can see you u can't explain them. Don't b dumb in ur reasoning

DoctorAlien:
So this is what Rev. 1:18 is talking about?

So Jehovah is the first to do what and the Last to do what?

I won't answer you until u answer mine. I have been answering ur questions but u refused to mine. U don't have answers to them?

DoctorAlien:
barny95,

If Jesus Christ is the First to be resurrected to immortality, He is the last to do what?

the first to be directly resurrected by Jehovah to immortality and the Last to be directly resurrected by Jehovah to immortality. All others will be done through Jesus. Answer my questions

DoctorAlien:
JWs claim this verse is talking about GOD the Father: Rev. 1:8 "I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

They also (falsely) claim that this verse is talking about GOD the Father: Rev. 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." (See v.12).

Now, the Almighty is the Alpha and the Omega in Rev. 1:8. That same Alpha and Omega calls Himself the First and the Last in Rev. 22:13. It is now clear that the Almighty is the First and the Last.

Now, JWs admit that the "First and the Last" in Rev. 2:8 is Jesus Christ.

Does this not mean Jesus Christ is GOD? Can there be two "Firsts" and two "Lasts"?

If there can be, then that exposes another false JW doctrine: that Jesus was created.

How can GOD be the First and Jesus is the First too? Isn't this equality with GOD?

Note: Jesus doesn't say He is the First to be resurrected to immortal. HE IS THE FIRST!

why are not open minded? Well did you read chapter 1:18 it was talking about Jesus death and resurrection to immortal life. "am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever". Why did you Dodge the question I asked? U have no ans to it? Jesus is an apostle of whom? Heb. 3:1 high priest serve as a mediator to God for humans. Jesus is a high priest to whom? Himself? You?
Does that mean Jesus is in rank with his apostles?
Let me tell you, Dan.7:13" I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed."
the ancient of days Jehovah gave rulership to the son of man Jesus,to tell u they are two different people, is that not understandable enough? U claim JWs teach false doctrine, go n research and you will know Trinity is falsehood, from idolatry. U have being swimming in falsehood all your life.

DoctorAlien:
So, according to you, Jehovah the Almighty GOD is the First and the Last in Rev. 22:13.

Now, who is the First and the Last in Rev. 2:8?

e fact that a title applies to Jehovah and Jesus doesn't make them equal, go 2 Rev. 1 17,18, 17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave. Do you notice verse18?
So Jesus was the first to be directly resurrected to immortal by Jehovah and the Last d same goes with 2:8 while Rev. 22:13 is talking about Jehovah which goes with isaiah 44:6.
Heb 3:1 refer 2 Jesus as an apostle, 3 Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we acknowledge—Jesus. 2 He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses also was in all the house of that One.
Does these make Jesus apostles the same rank with him? No. Lest I forget verse 2 says "he faithful to the one who appointed him". Abegi who appointed him? Himself? Lols

DoctorAlien:
barny95,

If the Alpha and Omega in Rev. 1:8 is GOD the Father, Who is the "Alpha and Omega" in Rev. 22:13?

Jehovah the Almighty God

DoctorAlien:
"Who is to come" cannot be a sentence. It can either be a question or a relative dependent clause describing somebody.

Who is the person Rev. 1:8 says is to come?

do you care to read verse 1 at all 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw." this shows that God and Jesus are 2 different people cos Jesus received revelations from God and gave it to an angel who gave it to John.
To understand verse check from verse 4 then to 8; 4 John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia:May you have undeserved kindness and peace from “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen. 7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” the one who is coming is Jehovah God Almighty, that phrase "Who is and who was and who is coming" is the same as alpha and omega, no beginning no end. Verse 7 is about Jesus who is coming in the clouds. don't deceive ur self man

DoctorAlien:
Do you know that you imply that Thomas recognized that Jesus is not the only true GOD?

Jesus repeatedly calls the Father His GOD. Jesus even called the Holy Spirit His GOD. Remember Jesus shouted "My GOD, My GOD..." on the cross: one for the Father and one for the Spirit.

Moreover, we know that any thing we call our god collects our worship. Thomas implied that Jesus is worthy of his worship. Was he wrong? Because we know that only GOD deserves worship.

Does the Bible make a distinction between the worship due to the Father and the worship due to the Son?

y are u not explaining the verses I quoted? Well it left to you what u believe I have told you the truth

truthislight:
HYPOCRITES!

Why can't the worship you said is given to Jesus not follow the same rules as stated by you above?

But to you, that of Jesus, because of Trinity you bend the rules to suit your HYPOCRISY.

take it easy with ur self brother, ur comment shows u have not been following my post. Am ur Christian brother not an hypocrite
The Bible does not support Trinity and I don't. Blessings

DoctorAlien:
Did Sarah call Abraham GOD?

Still you haven't answered the question: Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my GOD." Was Thomas wrong?

Thomas wasn't wrong and he wasn't referring to Jesus as the only true God, he must have been present when Jesus said in John 20:17 that 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” Thomas was not referring to Jesus as God Almighty.

DoctorAlien:
I intended to quote Heb. 1:6. Sorry for that mistake.

Read and see that GOD commanded worship to Jesus.

Thomas called Jesus his GOD.(Jn. 20:28). Was Thomas wrong?

some translation said obeisance which means respect and obedience. Sarah called Abraham her Lord. Does that make him God? No. So if Sarah could call Abraham her Lord, can't Thomas called Jesus his God and Lord?

DoctorAlien:
Jesus also accepted worship. (See Matt. 14:33; 28:9)

GOD even commanded worship to Jesus (Heb. 1:8 ) but He forbids worship to anything but GOD. (Exod. 20:2-5, Rev. 14:7, Deut.6:13)

If Jesus accepted worship which clearly belongs to only GOD, what does it mean?

At Matt. 14:33;28:9 check other versions of the Bible apart from the one you are using, u find out that it is either rendered "obeisance" or "bowed down" which a sign of respect not worship. You do obeisance 2 ur king or father doesn't mean u worship him. Meanwhile Matt. 28:9 says they took hold of his feet and did obeisance 2 Jesus_this is a customary way of greeting a master, teachers, parents and elders in the Palestine and among Indians. NORMS
as 2 heb.1:8 check other versions and translation u understand like yoruba, igbo. In some version it's read as : But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness." dis doesn't mean God commanded people to worship Jesus as u imply

DoctorAlien:
What is GOD entitled to that Jesus is not entitled to?

mathew 4:10: Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

DoctorAlien:
Barny95,

GOD subjected everything under Jesus' feet and Jesus Himself is subject to His Father. However, that text does not say that Jesus is not GOD.

Consider this: Jesus says He will send the Holy Spirit to His disciples. Now, is the Holy Spirit Jesus' servant or?

The Trinity is a Mystery in which the Father constantly seeks the glorify the Son and the Spirit, the Son constantly seeks to glorify the Father and the Spirit, with the Spirit constantly seeking to glorify the Father and the Son.

If Jesus Christ is not GOD, why does He possess all the attributes of GOD?

do care 2 read n comprehend verses 27 n 28:" But when he says that ‘all things have
been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not
include the One who subjected all things to him.
28 But when all things will have been subjected
to him, then the Son himself will also subject
himself to the One who subjected all things to
him, that God may be all things to everyone."so jw do not say the Bible doesn't refer 2 Jesus as God. the Bible calls him mighty God but not Almighty God, so therefore Almighty God is greater than Jesus.
And then if you had the same attributes and characters as ur father does that mean u r father and u r entitle 2 everything he is entitle 2. Think deeply pls

Emusan, DoctorAlien, Solite3.,please open your eyes, hearts, minds and read 1 corinthians 15:24-28. Be sincere 2 ur self when u read it. Then explain whether God and Jesus Christ are the same person or not. In fact lemme quote them : " 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."

Emusan, DoctorAlien, Solite3.,please open your eyes, hearts, minds and read 1 corinthians 15:24-28. Be sincere 2 ur self when u read it. Then explain whether God and Jesus Christmas are the same person or not. In fact lemme quote them : " 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."