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Fash20:
Look at the way a self acclaimed expert of international politics is asking dumbass questions.

You mean the same i5r3al that has gotten in the US into several expensive wars with no significant impact on the peace and stability of the ME. Lol

You're just an i5ra3li apologist and I have come across alot like you. What baffles me when I come across you guys is how your sense of reasoning become warped as soon as i5r3al is mentioned.

Cry 😭😭😭 me a lagoon ( in the voice of Olamide) Mr. Terrorist sympathizer🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Fash20:
He was never a politician from the onset. Just a bourgeoisie who found his was to power. The bourgeoisie are brutal than the politicians they don't see the world in gray just black and white.

Just like any other politicians in from his country he is a z1onist puppets. He either obey his z1on!5t masters of kiss his political career good bye.

I believe he has a good plan for his country but he is executing his plan poorly. He is isolating his country from the real allies who can actually do stuffs not the fake ally who can't survive on its own fighting ak 47 weilding freedom fighters firing sugar and fertilizer propelled rocket.

It's quite obvious and plain to see even to Stevie wonder that you don't know your history and clearly don't understand the workings of international diplomacy..

You can't possibly be referring to a tiny nascent country who fought and defeated 5 Arab Islamic countries led by Egypt and a host of Arab militias on its own without US support in it's 1948 war of independence..

If Israel had unleashed its full military capabilities on Hamas the war would have ended on October 10 but idiots like you as well as the whole Arab world and some useful idiots will go to town with the crying of genocide,even with this rather restrained war you are still shouting genocide upandan😂

No other country can provide the US with strategic American foothold in the highly volatile Middle East region as well as intelligence and advanced technological partnerships in both the civilian and military worlds than Israel.

Wonder what you meant by real allies who can do stuff,which US ally has done more militarily and other wise than Israel?..I guess you think you know more than US policy makers.

Your admittance to the imaginary claim that politicians and presidents of the US are puppets to Zionists is a testament of the power Israel.

For your information the development of Microsoft Windows, Intel computer chips, instant messaging, the cellular telephone and many medical devices all have significant research roots in Israel,thus Israel is a small yet an innovative giant and what other ally could the US want?

Lioness5280:
I'm sure you're an Igbo slave looking to migrate somewhere where other men have developed, no?

Let Igbo matter not drive you mad🤣🤣🤣

Kemetian:
Very low IQ comment.

If you know the blood-stained history of America, and it’s gory history of theft, invasion, massacres and subjugation of the world’s people (which accounts for its monstrous wealth), you would not be calling them a “blessing to the world”.

Useless, miseducated Nigerian youth.

Just Sdfu Oga..if they say they are no longer doling free cash to ungrateful countries and world organizations why can't your so called angelic super powers take their place if its easy.

You are obviously the incredibly useless and misinformed Nigerian..how many countries did America colonize? Just small barrage of executive orders the whole world is feeling the heat,yet you are here blabbing..ODE🤣🤣🤣🤣

kedeojo:
Leave the foolish co nairaland that election loss has damaged their sense in f reasoning. The village idiot is busy deporting black and they are cheering him. Sad people everywhere. Trump is a racist and his lineage is tied to Germany. I can see why he is so wicked.

A nonentity like you from a backward poverty stricken country calling an incredibly successful business mugul and 2 time president of the greatest nation on earth village idiot is laughable 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Are the blacks been deported not illegals?
You can't just up and go to another mans country without proper documentation and on top of that you start doing crime and expect not to be deported because political correctness.

Without an iota of a doubt you are the foolish one here,an extremely foolish one for that matter.

brain54:
Coming from the country that prides itself in democracy...

freedom and justice!

You go cry tire🤣😅😁😀

You can't be against someones interest and still expect aid from them..

TruthU87:
I'm vindicated. I said it the other day: Donald Trump's stance on South Africa isn't about land—it’s entirely about South Africa taking Israel to court for genocide.

Yet, some people dismissed me as a conspiracy theorist.

No wahala 🤣..let them (S.Afrca) go get assistance from Palestine, Jordan, UAE, Yemen or KSA instead.

You can't be against the US or it's allies and still expect aid from them.

lapazi:
Why do you have so much hate in you.

What have I said wrong now that’s making you go off?

I only made an educated guess based on the nature of the attack and the fact that they didn’t release the name on time, which is usually so when the perpetrator isn’t of Muslim faith. And I was proved right.

Do you leave in a silo?
Do you have any Muslims around you?
How do you relate with them?

So sorry my brother..I came on too strong I didn't mean to and I definitely don't hate Muslims.i grew up in a majority Muslim neighborhood in mainland of Lagos,my best religious holiday Is the Salah when rams are slaughtered and some of my lifelong best friends are Muslims.

What I don't like is the few radical Muslims who have so painted the religion in such a bad light that it is impacting negatively on the majority of Muslims whom I have a lot as colleagues,dear friends and well wishers.

Muslims should stop pitting them selves against the rest of the world,this we against them is not doing any one any good.
Do you honestly blaim non Muslims for the biases and fear they have for Muslims considering the the fact that no religion had shed more blood in recent history than Islam.

You don't expect one who has lost a loved one or knows who has lost a loved one to Islamist terrorists to not have biases and a healthy phobia of Muslims even though a large majority just wants to live out their lives in peace.

Go on YouTube and see Islamist social media influencers like Ali Dawa (and a host of others) and radical islamic preachers spewing hate on non believers and how Muslims should not be friends with Christians and jews but fight them yet they live in supposed Christian lands and won't want to move to KSA, Afghanistan,Iran etc..

Why does it have to be Muslims formenting trouble all over the world even where they are a substantial minority,do we not have other religious adherents?
Even back home in Nigeria the little peace and harmony we seemed to be enjoying in the south west is under attack by the recent clamor for Sharia of all things out of the myriads of challenges confronting us as a people and they can't show you any positive impact it has had in the North that have had it for so long.

So don't blame non Muslims for the biases and fear because the fear isn't irrational one bit as you want to make people believe but deeply grounded in actions and words.

Babalola0920:
Una sha like lies so much that when single truth is spit you easily get offended why did you deny your own book.

Why did book keep changing easily
The words of GOD never change excepts it been tampered with.

That's why keep having old version of GODS words and new version in the same context of religion.

Please learn facts not emotions

Muslims should just stick to their religion and leave Christianity alone,Christians follow Jesus not Moses and Jesus never preached an eye for eye.

Christians follow what Jesus and he's disciples did and preached not Judaic or Mosaic laws.

Babalola0920:
In whose book is eye for an eye
Tooth for tooth.
Blood for blood

Stop been emotional get your facts right ✅️
Islam is completion of all religion from GOD.
Do your own researchb

The eye for an eye you quoted is rooted in Judaism and the old testament.. Christians are the followers of Jesus Christ and he nor he's deciples never commanded any one to do such infact he commanded that you turn the other cheek when struck on the cheek..

It's funny how your guys easily quotes the bible whom you idiots claim has been corrupted when it suits your devilish narrative but refuses to believe other portions of it that proved the deity of Jesus.

Which nonsense facts do I have to get right?
Most terrorists and terrorist organizations in the world are Muslims is a fact that readily comes to mind 🙆

The completion of all religions my black ass🤣
It should be embarrassing for Islam to always try to validate it self using Christianity.

The Quran is a very poor excuse of how not to plagiarize a book 🤣😋🤪

tanigororo:
I get your sincere fear, it's called Islamophobia.

We have Sharia Courts in Kwara State for many decades now, and I have never heard of introduction of Sharia Law in the State.

Importantly the Sharia Court is for willing Muslims who want Sharia Court to handle their case, if a Muslim doesn't want anything to do with Sharia Court he is free to explore every other court.

Oga it is dead on arrival in the SW abeg besides there is nothing irrational in the fear of radical Islam..

simpleseyi:
Now tell me how Shariah Law can affect you

We simply just don't want it in the SW of Nigeria,it isn't too much to ask for or is it?

please also tell us how it has stopped drug abuse, banditry,armed robbery, corruption in government etc and how it has made the North the most religiously tolerant and economic powerhouse of Nigeria.

Awon Oniranu 🤣🤣🤪😋

Krismas:
Lol
Your answers are completely thrash! Borne out of crass ignorance. With supporters like urself, its no wonder why israel is in a quagmire
1. Hamas have had 5wars with Israel now, all ending in ceasefire. If Israel is so good, Hamas is supposed to be destroyed by now.
2. Israel never cared about their hostages one single moment. Israel killed more hostages in Gaza dan Hamas.
3. Gaza was bombed more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, yet Israel couldn't defeat Hamas. Tell Trump to change the bombs to 5,000pound. Nothing will happen. Israel is the one who has wasted over 100billion USD for nothing
4. No Palestinian is regretting anything. Keep dreaming. Hamas started the war with 20batallion, finished it with 24batallion. Who died again? Sinwar. How did dat affect Hamas? Any leader that die is replaced. But Haniyeh's murder caused Iran to directly strike Israel, proving to the middle east dat Israel is NOTHING.
5. The goals of the war were
a. Return all the hostages
b. Eliminate Hamas
c. Make sure gaza never pose a threat again

The war NEVER freed hostages. The only 4 they freed with the involvement of America, 4 Israelis died in the process. Including 2hostages.
The Hamas Israel say will never rule gaza again, are the ones israel is negotiating with right now.
oct7 is certain to happen again. infact, hamas went 3times into israel during the war, after oct7.
6. Hezbollah will soon resume in 2weeks time. then we will know who has been rendered useless. israel will never forget the last supper organized for them by Hezbollah. more to come.
7. turned gaza to rubbles. wasting 100billion USD and the rubbles served as a good cover for hamas to kill over 300k IDF, destroying more than 1000 tanks armored carriers and D9 bulldozers. penny wise, pound foolish. the rubble is a blessing. hamas is not complaining.
8. this is the 5th ceasefire. what job did Israel finish is the previous 4? why are u wyning urself?
what Hamas gained?
over 10 countries have recognized the state of Palestine now, cos of oct7
the ICJ have delivered a land mark judgement asking israel to vacate all Palestinian land in 12months.
the two state solution have been pushed again to the forefront of international politics, where israel would have preferred the whole world stay ignorant, while they systematically steal Palestinian lands.
the whole world demonstrated in solidarity for Gaza. infact, wot the students in america campuses did, brought tears to the eyes of Hamas. for 75yrs, that was the first time, anybody ever stood up for Palestinian rights. it was emotional for Hamas.
oct 7 is worth it, its justified and the sacrifice is necessary. gaza has been under an illegal blockade of Israel for 16yrs both land sea and air and everybody is pretending around the world that all is normal?

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I stopped reading when you said Hamas killed over 300k IDF..when Israel doesn't even have that much soldiers,ol boy enjoy your blissful delusion,

I wish idiots like you could go spend a day in Gaza or West Bank and feel what innocent Palestinians are going true.

May your life be like the victory of Hamas,mumu say Amen 🙏.

Oomardesigns:
The killer doesn't belong to any religious group now because he is not a muslim. Bunch of hypocritical media fighting Islam with everything they can lay their dirty hands on

So who's fault is it that the status quo is that way? No religion explicitly instructs it's adherents to fight and kill non believers as does Islam.. don't think this one off terrorist incidence will change the narrative it will not.

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Oomardesigns:
The killer doesn't belong to any religious group now because he is not a muslim. Bunch of hypocritical media fighting Islam with everything they can lay their dirty hands on

So who's fault is it that the status quo is like that? No religion explicitly instructs it's adherents to fight and kill non believers as does Islam.. don't think this one off terrorist incidence will change the narrative it will not.

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Babalola0920:
I'm expected to see those bastard hypocrite Gullible Nigeria Christian ✝️ on this platform to label the bastard as terrorist jesus follower they wouldn't sects of terrorist sympathizer awon werey gbogbo

Christians are not commanded to kill for their God by their holy book but that can't be said about the Alahu akbarist😅..

Phobia is an irrational fear of something but the fear of radical islam is not irrational o.. infact it makes complete sense.

lapazi:
I remember being insulted here when I said the shooter was most likely not a Muslim on the other thread.

Why is there so much hate in the world?
Why can’t we all just get along?

Go ask your Islamist brothers or Sdfu..

Krismas:
Who cares about quoting u?
Am actually looking for vain boasters like urself, to bet money wit me on your Israeli predictions.
All u talk about is 1948 1956 1973 wars wen nobody was born. No one can prove anything.
How about Gaza war? Which war goal did Israel deliver on? Inspite using all the bombs in this world.
Now d foolish Israel want to use ceasefire to achieve what their war could not achieve
U can't intimidate me jor. Israel na failure

You have never beaten them before in a war but have been collecting back to back from them yet it proves nothing..
Ceasefire that you were protesting and begging for all over the world abi which one!

I'm sorry for Hamas when they no longer have hostages to bargain with, Israel is just using the ceasefire to get it's hostages and re-arm.
The 2k pounds bomb the Biden administration stopped Israel from getting has been delivered to Israel by the Trump administration.

What about Gaza war? What did Hamas gain from it? Almost it's entire leadership has been wiped of, including those of their allies Hezbollah and Iran..Incase you don't know Hamas and almost the entire Palestinian population is regretting the October 7 attacks.

Now let me tell you the war goals Israel achieved, though they didn't get as much as they would have wanted..they destroyed the axis of evil,the death of Haniye,Sinwar, Nasralla and all other terrorist leaders.

They have rendered Hezbollah almost useless,the war indirectly led to the collapse of the Assad government in neighboring Syria a key part of the axis of evil through which Iran supplies weapons to it's proxies, incapacitated Hamas as a governmental and military force that can't harm Israel (don't mind the cowards you see in uniform running upandan with out dated AKs) again.

Killed more than 70,000 Palestinians by your own count, turned Gaza into a parking lot with rubles all over the place,turned Palestinians into refugees with more than 95% of them displaced.

After the ceasefire Israel will finish the job but please answer this one question for me WHAT HAS HAMAS GAINED?

lapazi:
I appreciate the fact that you took time to take me up on this challenge, to have a meanful discuss. I also appreciate the perspectives you have brought to this issue. I must admit that this is a very complicated topic with a long history, but your argument contains a number of misleading claims and omissions.

I will break it down. First is the history and ownership of the land.

The land we’re talking about, what is now Israel and/or Palestine, has been home to many different people for thousands of years, including Canaanites, Hebrews, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Ottomans. Nations and borders change over time, but one thing remains true: people who have lived in a place for generations naturally see it as their homeland.

You can argue that Jews have the strongest claim to the land because of ancient history. But the same logic applies to the Palestinians, who have lived there continuously for centuries. Saying that Palestinians are not a “real people” ignores the fact that national identities evolve. By that logic, Israelis didn’t exist before 1948 either, since “Israelis” as a nationality is a modern concept.

Secondly, you mentioned about the Nakba. In 1947, the United Nations proposed a partition plan, giving 56% of the land to Jewish settlers, even though they made up only about 33% of the population. Palestinians rejected it, not because they hated Jews, but because it felt unfair. Imagine if a foreign power came and handed over half of Southern Nigeria to Fulani herders to prevent farmers-herders comflict, just because these herders claim that southern Nigeria has always been part of their grazing route. you’d probably be upset too.

Then came the 1948 war, during which 750,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced from their homes. This event, known as the Nakba ("catastrophe", was not just a case of "losing a war". Zionist militias carried out massacres and destroyed villages to ensure that these refugees could never return. This isn’t speculation; Israeli historians, including Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé, have documented it extensively.

Furthermore, losing land in War doesn’t Justify OPPRESSION. Some people argue that when you lose a war, you lose land- end of story. But international law doesn’t work that way. If it did, should Germany still be under Allied control after WWII? Should colonial empires still exist? The UN and international courts have repeatedly ruled that land cannot be taken through war.

Yet, Israel has continued to expand, settling Jewish citizens in Palestinian territories in violation of UN Resolution 242. These aren’t just empty lands, people already lived there, and now they are being forced out.

Now to the crux of the discussion- the reality of Gaza and the West Bank.
Many say, “Why don’t Palestinians build Gaza into something great?” The truth is, they can’t, because Israel has enforced a strict blockade since 2005, controlling everything that enters or leaves- including food, medicine, and electricity. Gaza’s economy can’t grow when its borders are sealed.

Meanwhile, in the West Bank, Palestinians live under military occupation, while Israeli settlers live under Israeli civil law. That means two people, living in the same land, have completely different rights based on ethnicity. If that’s not APATHEID, what is?

This is my own personal opinion. Shouldn’t Jews, of All People, Understand This?
Jewish people have suffered immense persecution throughout history, especially in the Holocaust. That’s why it’s heartbreaking to see Israel engaging in policies that look very similar to what was once done to them- forced displacement, segregation, and collective punishment.

This isn’t about denying Israel’s right to exist. It’s about recognizing that Palestinians also have a right to live with dignity and freedom in their homeland.

If we condemned apartheid in South Africa, how can we turn a blind eye to it in Palestine?

Finally, this conflict isn’t just about history, it’s about what’s happening right now. If we truly care about justice, we should be advocating for equal rights for both Jews and Palestinians. It’s not about choosing a side; it’s about choosing fairness.

So, let’s ask ourselves: Do we support Palestinians having the same rights and freedoms as Israelis? If not, why?

Perfectly put👏..bravo now I know I'm dealing with a scholar that wants to engage and learn.
Unfortunately you have bought into the lies, tropes and rhetorics of the anti Israel and pro Palestinian supporters..

Your accounts of the issues are not only miss leading but reeks of biases and rhetorics which has been made popular by pro Palestinian supporters and mobs.

I'll try to address your points one after the other,the original British Mandate for Palestine included the land which now makes up Jordan..it was intended to be shared to both an Arab state and a Jewish state.
But the Brits unilaterally took 70% of the land and created the kingdom of Jordan.

So that was why the latest sharing formula had to favour the Jews since an Arab state had already been created in the form of Jordan but still the Jews agreed because they just wanted a country to call their own.

To say Israel did not exist before 1948 clearly shows you do not know your history because it has been proven beyond every reasonable doubt that a Jewish kingdom named Israel existed on that land with Jerusalem as it's capital hundreds of years before Islam and Arabs set foot on the land,the al-aqsa mosque and compound is infact on the site of the ruins of king Solomons temple.

Your illustration with the Fulani and southern Nigeria don't co-relate with the Israel and Judea because unlike the Fulani the Jews are indigenous to the land while the Fulani are not because of their normadic nature.

Go check out images of Gaza before the war,where did the cement, concrete and steel used in the construction of massive buildings in Gaza come from? The blockade on Gaza didn't start in isolation,it was after countless terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians perpetrated by terrorists from Gaza and the West Bank.so what would you have them do?give them a bouquet of flowers and chocolates to come into Israel and kill their citizens right.

If the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank had been peaceful there wouldn't have been a reason for such strict blockades but the Palestinians were smuggling weapons and other items they were using to create military infrastructure to harm Israel.

Have you seen the extensive network of tunnels underneath the length and breadth of Gaza, where did they get cement, concrete and steel to build these tunnels? There are videos online of Hamas removing underground metal pipes the Israelis left in Gaza for water and desalination plants and repurposing them for rockets and launchers.

The apartheid accusation against Israel is crazy as well as baseless when scrutinized.. every Israeli citizen has the same rights irrespective of wether they are Arabs or Jews.
During the apartheid period in south Africa did the blacks become doctors, lawyers, professors,form political parties and become members of Parliament,own banks,become judges, become high ranking members of the military etc?..all of which Arabs in Israel are currently doing.

Infact the judge who sent a former Israeli PM to jail is an Arab judge,like every society the Israeli society is not perfect and there are little discrimination here and there but to say Israel is an apartheid is incredibly fallacious and I have seen a lot Israeli Arabs debunked the lies.

Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens even though they may seem to be on the same land so they need to be checked and and visa granted before they can enter Israel just like Mexicans can not just enter the US or US enter Mexico that does not constitute apartheid.Palestinian citizens in West Bank are under the PL and those of Gaza were citizens of Hamas whom they voted for shortly after Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005.

Apartheid is the racial segregation of citizens of a country and that is definitely not happening in Israel but a figment of the imagination of Israels haters.

It has been argued and successfully too that Land can be taken through defensive wars especially if relinquishing such lands can militarily harm the country as Gaza and West Bank has shown repeatedly.

The Palestinian nakba of 1948 you spoke about earlier where Palestinians willingly left or were forced to leave areas that later became Israel is not entirely historical accurate.

When the invading Arab armies invaded Israel with the aim of pushing the Jews into the sea,some of the Arabs were adviced to leave by Arab leaders so that they can exterminate the Jews after which they will now come back and take the properties of the dead Jews but the plan didn't go as was planned because the invading Arab armies and militias were dealt a crushing and demoralizing defeat and instead Israel got more lands as a result of the victory.

Also some Arabs left after they saw and heard what atrocities and massacres the Arab armies and militias had perpetrated in Jewish communities and fearing reprisals from Jewish militias they scrambled out of Israel but the ones who stayed where not massacred or harmed but were given Israeli citizenship with equal rights while the ones that left to neighboring Arabs countries are still refugees even till today.

Would Arab countries allow Jews to return to places they were driven from in their country before the creation of Israel after all this time ? I trust the answer will definitely be a hell NO,so also the Arabs who left Israel and joined forces with it's enemies can not and will never return to Israel.

Don't people live in Strasbourg when it was part of Germany but it is French today but you don't hear Strasbourg indigenes,the UN or Germany crying of occupation or that France should give it back why is the case of Israel different?

According to law Palestinians don't own any land,just because you live on a land doesn't mean you own it.i can go occupy a virgin land in an undeveloped area of Epe for years without owning it but when ever the true owners come I'll be forced to relinquish the land because it was never mine in the first place irrespective if I had lived on it for donkey years.

Just like you rightly noted different people had owned the land at various times but it has never been owned by Palestinians not even for once, the Ottomans owned the land for centuries but sided with Germany and lost the land when it lost to the allies in WW1..the league of nations gave the Brits mandate to manage the land, during the mandate Jordan was created and after it Israel declared independence with the portions that was stipulated for it but got some more in defensive wars against neighboring Arab countries but never with Palestinians..

I suggest you watch the "Ask project " on YouTube it would give you a glimpse into how both the Israelis and Palestinians think while the Israelis are a bit more willing to bend over backwards for peace the Palestinians are ever confrontational and belligerent insisting that the land belongs to them and that Jews should leave.

I and every right thinking person wants this conflict to be settled once and for all considering the human suffering it has caused but you can't force peace on oneside of a conflict and until the Palestinians are willing to have peace it will continually be elusive..

Krismas:
lol
1. Israel is too powerless to stop the creation of Palestinian state. On the long run, it appears Israel will likely be destroyed by its opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state
2. Israel has no competence to declare Palestinian state as terrorist. Its moron1c
3. Israel stand to gain so much from recognition by the gulf states. Infact Israel needs it very BADLY
Only, it can't happen just yet, till Palestinian state is formed. If u want, i can explain in next post
4. The king of Jordan lives in fear of his citizens. He is an Arab, imposed on Jordan by the British.
Same way Britain imposed his brother as king of Egypt, who was brutally shot to death by Egyptians. It was tragic
5,6. Those Arab leaders were imposed on the people. They don't represent the people and can easily be eliminated by their people. Anwar Sadat who signed Egypt peace with Israel, was shot and wasted like a pig

Sdfu jo..I can now see I've been conversing with a brain dead Islamist..
Islamists and Arabs have lost almost each and every war it has fought with the state of Israel yet you still think it would be destroyed..in your wildest dreams..

Don't quote me again,have it your way..
Enjoy your delusion..may your life be like the victory of Hamas and the Palestinians, idiot say Amen 🙏..😅😅😅😅😅😅

Krismas:
U be mumu, dats why u can't see, that Israel is terribly losing to the Palestinians, inspite of all those useless matrices of yours.
Israel is today btw a rock and a hard place and it will only get worse

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Your brain is completely decayed 🤣🤪😅.. Israel is losing to the Palestinians under what matrices.
What yard stick did you use to come up with such ridiculous and laughable conclusion.

Israel is between a rock and a hard place and will only get worse(clap for your self 👏 you just learned a new idiomatic expression even though you clearly don't know when to use it).

Your parents will be very ashamed of you and rightly so for it would have been better for them if they had used the money in sending you to school to play baba ijebu🙆🙆🙆🙆🙆.

I don't blame you shebi you are scribbling this gibberish from one dinghy room far flunged away from the chaos,hunger, suffering and death currently experienced in Gaza and now the west bank.

By Hamas's health ministrys skewed stats more than 47,000 souls have perished,Gaza is literally a parking lot,95% of its population have been displaced and are now living in bombed out tents,there was palpable fears ferming breaking out in the strip before Israel was begged for a ceasefire..

Yet after all these calamities you still think the Palestinians won..may you lives victory be like that of Hamas and Palestinians..say Amen 🙏 idiot.

Krismas:
Lies!
What does Saudi stand to gain from normalizing Israel?
The rulers of Saudi, on shaky legs already, will be shot dead like pigs on the streets, by their own people,
If they try d normalization nonsense. And if that fail, the Houthi will burn every single oil well in Saudi.
Normalization will not happen without Palestinian state

Creation of a Palestinian state will never happen.. atleast in our lifetime, Israel can not afford to have a terrorist state so close to it's borders.
What do you think Israel will gain from normalization with Saudi Arabia?
How many leaders have the citizens of Jordan, UAE and Egypt shot dead on the streets after they normalized relations with Israel?
The Houthis will not do shit or else the full wrath of the US and it's allies will obliterate the them..

You obviously don't know how international politics work,do you think nations consider emotions or premodial sentiments like religion when making decisions..

Egypt and Jordan actually went to war with Israel on account of the Palestinians but have now normalized relations with Israel,do you know how many rockets and drones the Jordanian armed forces shot down that was going to wreck havock in Israel.

So that is how alliances shift ,theres no permanent enemies or friends in international diplomacy.

Krismas:
The IDF is a diaper force. Thats a known fact. Absolutely overhyped.
That u don't know, that the pager attack was a British operation, shows how little you know.
Long short, without the West Israel is nothing.
And in 15months America Britain and Israel could not defeat Hamas in Gaza nor Houthi on the red sea
So, Stop worshiping Israel. Their time is coming to an end in d middle east. They will surely be erased

A diaper force that you falsely claimed perpetrated genocide on you,turned Gaza into a packing lot and about to doing the same to Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and took Gaza back to the stone age,a screw is definitely missing in your skull..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Krismas:
The IDF is a diaper force. Thats a known fact. Absolutely overhyped.
That u don't know, that the pager attack was a British operation, shows how little you know.
Long short, without the West Israel is nothing.
And in 15months America Britain and Israel could not defeat Hamas in Gaza nor Houthi on the red sea
So, Stop worshiping Israel. Their time is coming to an end in d middle east. They will surely be erased

Delusions of an Islamist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Enjoy you stupidity.
May your life be like the victories of Hamas and Hezbollah 🤪

lapazi:
Can we have a discussion then like people with actual functioning brains?

What happened to Judea?
Why is this currently the ancestral home of Palestinians?
How long has the Palestinians people been there?
Finally. Do the Palestinians have ancestral claims to Judea in your opinion?

Ps- I’m not emotional about these events.
I don’t not have a bone in this fight.

I only speak for injustice. because what’s been done to the Palestinians was what Hitler did to the Jews and the whole world frown on it.

If your only argument is based on religion, my question is put yourself in the shoes of these people, do you think Good will allow this to continue happening?

Just like you I have no dog in the fight but I only got interested in this conflict because of the incredible hatred and vitriol directed at the Jews after all they have been through almost throughout history.. it's not about being a Christian because Jews are not even Christians in the first place.

Just like you I sought to know the real history of both Israel and the Arabs now called Palestinians and also the disputed land with a clear sound mind without outside influence and I came to the conclusion that Israel has the stronger claim to the land than the Arabs.

This informations are easily gotten on Google and YouTube and not Aljazeera or BBC that are clearly biased.so do a bit of research on your own and you will see how weak the Palestinian claim to the land is.

It's very refreshing you want justice and against injustices but you have to know the nitty gritty of the problem before you can come to that point.

The Jews claim of Judea is not just religious but historical as well and as been proven beyond reasonable doubt, every archaeological find throughout the land has turned up Jewish artifacts.

Don't let the name Palestine deceive you,the land was originally named land of Israel or Judea(coined from Jew) but was renamed Syria and Palestina by the Roman emperor Hadrian after quelling a violent Jewish rebellion and the term Palestinians refered to everyone living in the then British mandate for Palestine.
It wasn't a separate ethnic group or nationality as it is today but refered to Jews, Arabs, Bedouins, Christians, Muslims etc.

The name was later stolen by Yasser Arafat and co under the KGB's advice to mean Arabs.

It is not the ancestral home of any Arab talkless of Palestinians,Arabs are not indigenous to the land but only started migrating to the area from Arabia and North Africa after it was conquered by Islamic armies and the ottoman empire..

There's no denying the fact that Arabs have also been lived long in the area from the time of the ottoman empire period as result they too have a modicum of rights to the land that's why Israels population is about 20% (about 2m) Arab.the ones that stayed behind and didn't join or take sides with invading Arab armies and militias are now citizens with equal rights with Jews in Israel and would not want to be anywhere else in the Middle East because of the rights and quality of life they enjoy in Israel.

The then original British mandate for Palestine was supposed to be divided into an Arab and a Jewish state but the Brits went ahead to create the hashemit kingdom of Jordan out of the land, still the Jews had no problem with anyone when it was agreed it would be further divided into a Jewish and Arab states the Jews still agreed but the Arabs blatantly refused and the very next day the mandate ended and Israel declared it's independence Arab countries and militias invaded Israel with the goal of exterminating the Jews but were dealt a heavy demoralizing defeat and by the end of the war Israel had gotten more land than it had from the mandate.

You lose land and territory when you start and lose a war that's how it is.israel got Judea and Samaria (now fancifully called West Bank) from Jordan,got the Golan heights from Syria and the Sinai desert and Gaza strip from Egypt after those wars.

Israel gave back the Sinai desert and wanted to give back Gaza to Egypt but Egypt vehemently refused taking back Gaza and it almost derailed the agreement and that was how Israel got stuck with Gaza.

What stoped the Arabs from declaring their own nation after Israel did in 1948? Because they wanted the whole land and not just part of it and would have gotten it had their genocidal war succeeded.Their leaders have also refused on more than 6 occasions attempts at settling the conflicts.

Do you know before this current war in Gaza triggered by Hamas cross border attacks on Israel in October 7 Israel had unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza in 2005.
They had the opportunity of turning Gaza into the Rivera of the middle east with all the aids and donations coming into Gaza but they instead used it procure rockets and build tunnels all over Gaza.
Yet Hamas attacked Israel knowing full well that they were going to be hit hard as rightly expected.

There were thriving Jewish communities in nearby Islamic countries and North Africa before 1948 before they were ethnically clinsed and evicted losing all they had worked for (Jewish nakba) but there's virtually non again in those areas while the population of Arabs in Israel and environs had drastically increased,now tell me who genocided who?

Just do a bit of undiluted unbiased research on your own and you would know the truth and see how the Palestinian claims fall apart like a pack of cards..

Ask me further questions and I'll answer them.

Krismas:
Is it only America that sell arms?
If Israel defeated the whole Arabs, then why can't they defeat Hezbollah?
In 1956, it was Britain and France who waged war against Egypt and her Arab coalitions, over Suez canal.
Israel used d opportunity to take Gaza from Egypt
Thats how Israel ended up defeating d whole Arab in 1956
Nonsense

You are one deranged and deluded terrorist sympathizer🙆.....

You guys keep trying to rewrite history,
Is it the same Hezbollah you guys were crying all over the internet for Israel to sign a ceasefire with (and had it's leaders including Nasralla killed and most infrastructure blown to smithereens) and begging the US to compel or beg Israel to withdraw from Lebanon after they refused withdrawing?

Are we talking of Israels defeat of the whole Arab armies in 1956 or 1948 war of independence?

You Islamists read your own history upsidedown 🤣..
Read up on the Israels 1948 war of independence and stop advertising your stupidity in a public forum 🤪🤣🤣😅

Please come and show me Britain and France as one of the belligerents on the Israel side🤣

lapazi:
You don’t have time or you can’t engage in a meaningful dialogue. You just spew rubbish without any evidence to back your claim.

How does it being in ruins justify a complete takeover.

How can 1944 be repeating itself in this modern world and we all cower in fear?

You can find your way to Judea (Palestine) and join the so called resistance if e really pain you.
Keyboard warrior 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Krismas:
Hamas made their own arms in Gaza and built their own defensive tunnels, while Israel depended on America, Britain and France For EVERYTHING thruout. Even the Pager attack was a british operation.
Without America Britain and France, there will be no Israel

Oga you keep regurgitating this BS😭😭😭😭..
Let Hamas go get their own allies na,shebi they have Hezbollah, Houthis and iran..which kind mumu be dis?

Israel didn't need them to beat a coalition of Arab Muslim armies that included Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan,Iraq and a host other Arab militias during the war of independence in 1948 blue black..

Having allies is fact a requisite for all successful militaries in modern day warfare..
Why do you think the US, Russia, China and other super powers throw money about looking for allies.

The pager attacks were a completely Israeli operation,the Brits have nothing to do with it.
It's very obvious you underestimate the IDF and Israel because of your hatred and antisemitism..

seunmsg:
Israel had the support of US during the Arab wars. Remove US and western support and it will be game over. Even small small drones and missiles that Iran launched against Israel last year, it took a combination of US, France, UK and Jordan to intercept them on behalf of Israel.

Islamists and delutions are like 5 & 6🤣🤣🤣

I guess your punny excuse for a brain can not process what embargo on belligerents during Israels war of independence against 5 of your Arab nations means.. Israel the nascent country then still beat the 5 Arab countries led by Egypt black and blue without the US and western support thus earning the respect and admiration of the US.

You also call the barrage of more than 300 rockets and ballistics including drones shot at Israel small🤣...why then was Iran begging the US to prevail on Israel to limit their retaliatory strikes so as to prevent an all out war on the region?

Well..that's what allies do they come to your aid when you need them,even super power nations still needs and make use of allies like Russia is using weapons from Iran and man power from North Korea to prosecute its war with Ukraine.

Like I keep saying the line Israel is no where without the the US and the west is lame and tired already..Hamas have their own allies which includes Hezbollah,PIJ,Houthis,Iran and other Islamists countries codedly supporting them on a low low,you don't hear them crying upandan about that.

The fact remains in modern day warfare you can't do without formidable allies which Israel and unfortunately for terrorist and their sympathizers Israel has🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

zeuss:
For your information it is on record that region was fully part of the Roman empire and the Romans in their records identified Jews as the citizens of that entire region.......the Arabs came in 1000ad and as usual laid claim to the area.

You really have time trying to educate this Islamist terrorist nitwits..I wonder where they think the Jewish prophets and people of the book their unholy Quran talked about lived and where the so called Palestinians were then..

It's just sheer delusional to say Israel doesn't own Judea ( renamed Syria and Palestina by emperor Hadrian after quelling a violent Jewish rebellion) while insisting Arabs (Palestinians) of yesterday own the land is a travesty to history..

ElevationD:
“ Millions of syrians were accepted to Europe but when it comes to the Arabs accepting their own, you see it as an abomination. Before 1967, west bank Palestinians were Jordanians and Gaza was part of Egypt.”

Those are your words. You said it!

Do you want me to clarify you on events there?

I really do feel for the so called Palestinian people because they only basically pawns in the hands of their fellow Arabian and Islamic brothers who are just using them against the Israeli state out of sheer hatred for the Jews.

like you rightly stated Europe took in millions of Arab Muslim refugees from the middle east so also did the US and Canada infact Germany alone took in hundreds of thousands of Syrians and afghans while Sweden and Denmark took a substantial number of Palestinians although in hindsight it doesn't seem like a good decision now considering how disruptive, violent and lack of their integrating to western norms.

The neighboring Arab countries on the other hand doesn't want them to come anywhere close to them even though they share DNA, ancestry and religion with them,I guess it's because of their well known disruptive and violent tendencies(the events leading up to black September readily comes to mind) but I still think innocent (though with the latest Hamas videos I doubt if anyone can truly be said to be innocent except children) Palestinians tired from all the fighting and displacement should be cut some slack and resettled in any of those Arab countries (for the short and long term) so they can leave a peaceful and rewarding life away from the belligerence of Hamas,PIJ and others..

It is not an abomination at all resettling them in this countries because if western nations that do not owe them any thing could have them resettled and give them a better life why can't there own brothers do same?

GoodGovernance:
Hamas has no choice.

It is the oppression of the strong against the weak.

Can Israel/USA try this terrorism and land grabbing against any super power?

It is now very clear the bible is the word of man and definitely not God.

The whole essence of the bogus biblical prophecy is terrorism,violence and land grabbing,it had nothing to do with God almighty.

The jews and their european cohorts had succeeded in manipulating the so called bible ,to plan and execute their land grabbing agenda in the diguise of a very devilish and satanic “prophecy which favours only them.

The true,impartial, almighty GOD can never be part of this satanic agenda or “prophecy”.

The bible is all about favouring and executing the jewish agenda at the expense of other nations.

Jews that do not even believe in jesus can only be favoured by men and land grabbers agenda and absolutely not the real GOD almighty.

What a shame!

Shior.

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You go cry tire 😭 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
U never shee shomshin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣