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I am only laughing at your so called superior arguments and how you defend them with your life. You are so predictable. Again, l expect you will respond to me.

Gbadebo19:
How did we get here?
When did it turn to insults? Well, am not surprised. Your actions are typical of your fellow pro Russia and pro Palestine who in the face of superior argument turn to save face by dishing out insults.

Thank you for agreeing with me on how abnormal your pattern of thinking really is. I just confirmed what i suspected all along: Your line of thoughts are incoherent and I am tempted to believe you are unemployed and lacking useful life skills

Gbadebo19:
In the 21st century? Are you sure you are normal? 🤣🤣

Good. So anyday the Palestinians become stronger, they can conquer the Jews back and take the land. Is that fair by you?

Gbadebo19:
Conquest!!!
They defeated the ancient Canaanites. Simple

Tell me, how did the Jews come to own that land in the first place?

Gbadebo19:
Your number 3 is the only point that needs attention.
In short, it means the land of Palestine belongs to ethnic Arabs. This is totally wrong. We don't need to go back and forth on this.
The place called Palestine today was initially known as Judea. Judea was the location of the ancient Kingdom of Judah which was the part ruled by the house of David when the kingdom was divided during the reign of his son, Rehoboam.
Emperor Hadrian of the Roman empire was the one, who in an attempt to wipe off every trace of Jewish history renamed that place to Palestine and imported those bastards called Palestinians to take up a land that never belonged to them. Cest Finis.

Below are facts which zionists distort:
1. Israel is an occupier state. Most of the Zionist leaders who created Israel were from Europe.

2. Israel is occupying part of Palestine

3. Palestine belongs to Palestinians who are ethnic Arabs.

4. There are Arab Muslims, Arab Christians and Arab Jews(please prove this wrong if you dare)

5. European Jews are not a native of Palestine. They are invaders and occupiers

Gbadebo19:
You really are just stretching this argument beyond what it really is.
Like I said, there was existing tussle on that part of planet earth even b4 the creation of the state of Israel. Answer me one question: Who were the Palestinian tussling with?
You really don't need to bring the likes of Netanyahu into the argument. Jews retained a presence on that land. Stop making it look like as if they were totally non existent on it for 2000 plus years.
I once made an example here using Ilorin, Nigeria. It doesn't matter how little the population of the Fulanis are in Ilorin, if Nigeria breaks up today, there is no doubt Ilorin goes to the Fulanis, even though, nothing less than 80% of the population of Ilorin is made up of Yorubas. And if a never ending tussle comes up, the only thing that would be done will be to divide the land between Yorubas and Fulanis. Stop making it look like the UN did the Palestinians some evil. It is what anybody will do given same conditions.
Same way with the jews. There was a significant presence of Jews on that land, the fact that Palestinians make up the majority of the population does not make the land theirs.

Mr. Gbadebo. Clap for yourself.
If Iraq was an invasion based on allegation of nuclear weapons, Ukraine then is an invasion based on allegations of NATO biological weapons (biolabs) and Ukrainian genocide against ethnic Russians.

Gbadebo19:
I don't think there is anything to argue if you reason this way. Iraq was an invasion based on an allegation of nuclear weapons (however not true) it has no relation to any illegal referendum.
Syria: The only time USA or any other western country has ever directly attacked in Syria was in 2014 and it was against ISIS, which is totally justifiable. Again, no correlation.

Yemen: The only time I ever heard US or other western country attack Yemen was this year and it was against Houthi rebels disrupting commercial shipping lines. There was no referendum, again, no correlation.

Libya: As far as I know about Libya, the NATO incursion into Libya was a result of the Libyan civil war, a matter that had been dragging since 1973. 10 countries voted in favour of the incursion and there were five absentees. I think this is the only situation where you have a point but bear in mind that this case is exceptionally different because it was the United Nations that authorized the incursion unlike Russia that singlehandedly invaded Ukraine.
Lastly, I just don't want to deal with that bull shit of Crimea and Donbas being any Soviet gift. That is absolute nonsense. Russia wasn't blind when Ukraine got independence and it cannot claim not to know that Crimea and Donbas was part of the agreement. That is pure rubbish.

I am sure you know about about Ifa, a revered part of Yoruba religion. Right now Ifa has been brought to Brazil and other countries through descendants of slaves and other immigrants. But there are people who would adopt the Ifa religion and would not be Yorubas. The Jewish religion is just like that. It was carried abroad by descendants of the Hebrews and some people adopted it in Europe. Do you know there are Jews in Nigeria, especially South East and many of them have ties to Israel?

Again, you will still respond to it despite that your responses don't hold water.

Gbadebo19:
The onus is on you to separate them.
Right from the Bible, Jews have included all Israelites. Remember the Babylonian exile? We can say that definitely not all of them returned home. That doesn't make them less of Jews.
If you say today's Jews are not the Israelites of the Bible, then answer me, which group of people exactly were persecuted by the Holocaust?
And talking about the land separation you talked about, you seem to forget that even before the creation of the state of Israel, there has always been disputes and war in that place. Don't come and make it seem like it was the creation of Israel that started trouble in that place.
I repeat, Kemi Badenoch has no relation to this matter.
But first answer my question, which group of people exactly suffered from the Holocaust?

I am sure after this statement, you will still respond to me.

I deliberately separated the term Jew and Hebrew to counter those who keep equating today's Jews with the Israelites of the Bible. Again, you have no answer to the analysis I gave, using Kemi, a Yoruba now a prominent UK citizen. That's because you have nothing to say. There is a question I asked you earlier and I will ask you again:

If a white man comes from Europe to your father's village and claims his ancestors used to live their 2 thousand years ago will just give up half of your father's legacy just like that?

Gbadebo19:
You have extremely very wrong assumptions which do not apply to the scenario in any way.
First, the term Hebrew was originally used to refer to the ancient Israelites who were the direct descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Take note here that this term does not include either a Palestinian or an European Jew.
Secondly, the term Jew was originally used to refer "specifically" to the descendants of the Kingdom of Judah which was one of the Kingdoms that emerged after the division of Israel.
It was until after the collapse of both kingdoms , that is, the Babylonian exile that the term Jew came to be used for all Israelites. And it was through this that the bastardized Palestinians of today came to dubiously dubiously creep into the fold and claim to have any links with Israelites and Hebrews.
Hebrew and Jew is not a matter of ethnicity or Religion. Get your facts straight.
Kemi Badenoch or whatever does not have any correlation with this at all.
You ain't making sense at all.
Make it make sense

Okay. Can you apply this your logic to Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya and every other country that western countries have attacked?

Again, both Crimea and Donbas were part of Russia. Crimea especially was a Soviet gift by Kruschev.

Gbadebo19:
You are too confused.
Apply this same logic of yours to Nigeria and tell me if there is any sense in it.
1. What is the legality or otherwise of this so called referendum? Can the Biafra of Nigeria organise such referendum while still legally being a part off Nigeria? Therefore, Ukraine has every right to bomb Crimea for the criminal act of secession which is a high treasonable offence same way Nigerian army crush anything that has to do with Biafra Republic.
2. What right does Russia possess to move its military to Crimea because of an illegal referendum? Can Cameroon move its military into Nigeria if some parts of Cross River state announce an illegal referendum. That is nothing but land grabbing.
I repeat, you ain't making any sense at all.
Make it make sense

Paul and Stephen lived not more than 50 yeara after Jesus and were Jews in diaspora. At that time, the Jewish religion was somewhat still the traditional religion of the Hebrews (see how i separate Jews from Hebrews because Hebrew was their ethnic group and Judaism was thier religion).
Paul and Stephen are just like Kemi Badenoch in UK Parliament.

Now imagine if Kemi Badenoch's descendants 2,000 years later come back to Nigeria and try to snatch the village of my own descendants? It doesn't matter if my descendants are now Ibo or Zulu, 2,000 years is too long to come back and take the land from them.

If Kemi's descendants can trace and proof their origin, they will have to be integrated back and blended into the society not that they will demand that half of the land is given to them when the whole land has been owned by some people for thousands of years. If a white man comes from Europe to your father's village and claims his ancestors used to live their 2 thousand years ago will just give up half of your father's legacy just like that?

Gbadebo19:
Are you saying there is nothing like European Jews? That's a very wrong one from you. Paul that wrote the new testament was a Turkish jew, Stephen that was the first Christian martyr was a Greek jew.
The real problem, at least to me, started from them breaking their own law which stipulated that they shouldn't marry from any other tribe. Be that as it may, it has been broken and can't be reversed. If Palestinians have a claim to being Jewish, then European Jews have the same right. Neither of them is an original Jew. One was just smarter than the other and that's the nature of life.

I knew one of you American asslickers will mention Russia thats why I added 'unprovoked'.

1. The people of Crimea and Donbas chose to join Russia via a referendum after their own govt started bombing them for trying to secede. The European Jewish colonists who created Israel had nothing related to the land of Palestine except religious affinity with the Arab Jews already there.

2. The other parts of Ukraine being attacked by Russia is to force Ukraine to capitulate and create
a buffer zone to protect against future western incursion. All Ukraine had to do was renounce NATO and Bandera Nazis, and stop killing people in the Donbas. In the case of Palestine, there were no conditions. The European Jews simply wanted Palestinians out and occupied their lands. Any deal that does not involve Netanyahu's people from Europe to take part or all of that land will not work for them. But in the case of Russia, if Ukraine had accepted their terms, then Ukraine would have retained its entire sovereignty.

I hope you understand the difference now. If you are still confused, let me know.

Gbadebo19:
I don't understand why you keep referring back to 1948 as if there is a definite and settling argument that established the land as Palestinian land. Only such argument can make your position tenable.
Secondly, if gaining territory by unprovoked invasion is not tenable in the 21st century, what do you say about Russia's insistence on occupying seized Ukrainian lands before agreeing to any peace talk?

So when Christians invaded Jewish homes, why is the entire world not labelling Christianity as an evil religion? My point is that there was no need to divide the land, there was already a Palestine with different families both Jews and Muslims owning lands. The people who had no business in Palestine were the Jewish thieves from Europe (Netanyahu's type) who used the cover of being Jewish to take a land they had no claim to except that they had the support of the powers that be. Today, those European Jews sit at the top of Jewish society. This is gross injustice and the only two ways to justify it is either through religion or just believe that the strong takes it all. (

sainttwist1:
Jew don't like the crusades, because the crusades invade their homes.

A lot of people have controlled that piece of land. And the Jewish people have been on the land long time too.......we have Arabs there too

Both Arab and jew have been together for a long time and the co-existence have always been somehow, politically and religiously.

They lost it in wars. Are you saying in the 21st century, gaining territory by unprovoked invasion is tenable. If you affirm then I will no more debate with you on this and assume you are right. Also if you try to argue otherwise and claim the Arabs provoked the invasion, I will prove to you that the settling and seizure of Palestinian lands in 1948 is enough provocatin. It doesn't matter whether they win or lose, they have the right to continue struggling. It's like saying Biko, Mandela etal were crazy for continuing to resist the white supremacists that took their land even though those people were stronger than them. Can you see the bull crap in this your argument?

sainttwist1:
you will be jailed in Israel if you are a criminal but in the west bank and gaza you will be rewarded if you are a criminal. The PA pay criminals involved in cross border activities, palestinian people shield them from justice

Bro, which land are you talking about......the Arabs lost the lands in cra*y wars. It is better will all accept that, actions have consequences, simple. The Arabs normally start the war for land and at the end will loses the war......which is equal to losing more land.

Stop blaming the Israelis for Palestinian people wahala......let them solve their problem first then..........

Bros i don't understand you oh. Muslims have controlled that land since the 6th century and there was still a thriving local population by the early 20th century. If their situation was fragile how did they survive one and a half millenia. For your info, Jews of the middle east fought with muslims against Christians during the crusades.

sainttwist1:
check your stat.....and compare the level of hate.

It has been from the beginning sir, they live together but the situation was fragile.
That is one of the reasons for the partition.

I don't understand why you are bringing religion. I am a Christian but i don't support oppression and media gaslighting by the western press. You are the one doing this for religion because you think a certain group are God's chosen.

sainttwist1:
pls bro, who are the people in charge of Gaza strip and west bank....I mean the administrators in charge of Gaza and west bank.

Why do people in Gaza strip and west bank encourage criminal activities against their neighbours?

I know you are doing this because of your religion affiliation but what is wrong is wrong bro. Before the civil war in Syria everyone live in peace (Muslims, christians etc) but look at the situation now.......your religion is the one attacking others unnecessarily. If the other religions gang up and start defending themselves......na genocide we go dey hear everywhere

My brother, why does Israel encourage criminal activities against Palestinians in the weat bank. Why do they allow Jewish settlers to kill Palestiniansand take there land? Why exactly did Europeans migrate there to take a land that is not theirs in the first place. To even make the Palestinians conform to a peace deal with their invaders is groas injustice in the first place. Even after that, Israel continies to say somethingand do another thing.

sainttwist1:
pls bro, who are the people in charge of Gaza strip and west bank....I mean the administrators in charge of Gaza and west bank.

Why do people in Gaza strip and west bank encourage criminal activities against their neighbours?

I know you are doing this because of your religion affiliation but what is wrong is wrong bro. Before the civil war in Syria everyone live in peace (Muslims, christians etc) but look at the situation now.......your religion is the one attacking others unnecessarily. If the other religions gang up and start defending themselves......na genocide we go dey hear everywhere

Israeli forces surround Gaza and West bank and regularly conduct raids. It doesn't matter whether you are a fighter or not. Sometimes the slightest suspicion will make them areest you. They areest kids indiscriminately and if you attack a Jewish gang trying to take your home, Israeli forces can arrest you. Tell me how what they are doingnis not kidnapping. Because you have money, sophisticated weapons and fancy uniforms does not mean you are not an animal. In fact idf gangsters are worse than animals. Look how they sing in glee when they kill palestinian children.

sainttwist1:
Ahhhh bro dey fear All*h ooo

innocent Palestinian......i laugh in arabic

What about Jewish choldren that have been trained to see Palestinians as inhuman and they grow up to become settlers killing Palestinian families and taking up their lands. Do you want to deny this didn'thappen? Both sides have been trained to hate each other but it was not so at the very beginning. Before 1948, both Jews and Arabs lived on that land together but problem started when some European Jews arrived to take a land that is not theirs. Prove me wrong.

sainttwist1:
you mean the children trained in stab attack or the children that were taught from nursery to kill jews......or did i miss something about Palestinian children

Remember when Jesus Christ chased all the prostitutes and money changers on the Bible. Please go to a public placebnow and do the same thing. Then announce to the whole world that you are doingbit because you are following the teachings of Christ.
Mumu.

Gbadebo19:
Everybody who confesses Jesus as Lord and Saviour is not a Christian. But wait before you go haywire. You remain a Christian as long as you abide by the teachings of Christ. Immediately you start going against it, you are leaving the fold. Just apply that logic to the Islamic prophetic saying I posted. Immediately you start regarding Boko haram and ISIS as non Muslim, you yourself are no longer a Muslim. I guess this is simple enough.

They did not kidnap chikdren but Israel kills Palestinian children on a regular basis.

sainttwist1:
ok, you agreed on the kidnapping sh*t.

Hannibal Directive

"most" of the civilians death including the ones at the festival or the ones hiding in their basement........yes there are reports that such happened but "most",


hamas is so kind that they kidnapped children and are still keeping hostage, what a kind terrorist organisation

The kidnappings were aimed to have something to exchange with many innocent Palestinians that have also been kidnapped by Israel.

The Israeli regime abducts and tortures Palestinians at random and yet they expected no retaliation? Are you kidding me. You keep slapping me because you are bigger than me and one day I broke bottle on your head. If you push people to the wall you cannot blame them for reacting na.

sainttwist1:
ok, you agreed on the kidnapping sh*t.

Hannibal Directive

"most" of the civilians death including the ones at the festival or the ones hiding in their basement........yes there are reports that such happened but "most",


hamas is so kind that they kidnapped children and are still keeping hostage, what a kind terrorist organisation

So also eveeybody who confesses Jesus as Lord and saviour is a Christian. Do you know how many murderers and ritualists that confess Jesus? Are they truly Christians?

Gbadebo19:
You really don't know much about Islam. Let me take it from there. I don't really want to make this a religious argument but I will tell you of a particular Islamic saying that goes this way: "
Anybody who prays the way that we pray and turns his face towards the Ka'aba is a Muslim"
The above is a very authentic hadith from Sahih Muslim, one of the most reverred companions who narrated the sayings of the prophet.
If I am to use that saying, I would say that every so called Muslim who regards ISIS, Boko Haram and Alqaeda as non Muslim is himself NOT a Muslim because that is a clear transgression against the saying of the prophet of Islam.
See, don't let us go really deep, forget all the BS about Islamic Leaders condemning ISIS and co, deep down, they are the ones who create, support and arm all those groups and they have only one mission..... I leave you to guess.
US and co only outsmart them and they cry foul ever after.

A famous Hebrew King, Saul, was rejected by God in the Bible for failing to kill and destroy an entire race of people. Now if all Christians obey the entire Bible should they not obey this part as well?

Both Islam and Christianity have violent pasts and modern adherents who are civilised and progressive. But some vagabonds who are not even true adherents are bent on manipulating people in both religions.

Have you heard about media framing? That is exactlywhat is happening. There are nondoubts, Islamic groups committing heinous acts but I found out many of these despicable lots like ISIS have more ties to western nations than even Arabs. Why is it that the west hates any Muslim leader cracking down on terrorists?

The media can take two different things looking similar and emphasize only on the similarities so you think in your mind they are the same. I am a PR consultant so I know this trick so well. For instance, whenever Hamas is mentioned, you can decide to mention Fulani herdsmen alongside so Nigerian Christians register them as similar. But with further research you can get the difference. The Israelis know all they have to do is remind western citizens of ISIS and they will hate Hamas and Hezbollah.

Lawag3:
You make me laugh. Being affiliated with Islam doesn't make you a terrorist. Being affiliated with a terrorists organisations makes you a terrorist. The thing an overwhelming majority of terrorist groups are Islamic that's a fact.


That's why when in public a Christian screams Jesus is Lord nobody will flinch.


But just say allahu akbar, people have memories brother.


If something keeps on happening again and again and again and again then it's not a misunderstanding .

Radical Islamism is a danger.

I have read the Quran and I know where the issues come from but we are not ready for that conversation.

This is so annoying. How many times will they tell you guys that most of the civilians died under friendly fire from idf who were trying to prevent kidnapping. How can a peolple be so sick that they prefer to kill their own just to label Hamas as wicked and violent.

sainttwist1:
"your Jesus' but "your Mohammed" will not ask you why you start one unnecessary war or why you kidnap children or why you kill 1000+ in less than 24hrs or why you support people who terrorize other or why you believe other religions are inferior or.........

Bro kindly remove the log in your eye

So German party called Christian Democratic Party is also a terrorist org because it is affiliated with Christianity. So anybody cannot be affiliated with Islam and be peaceful? I am a Christianbutbthis hypocrisy is too much. A Christian shouts Jesus Christ and nobody flinches. A muslim says Allahu Akbar and he is already a fundamentalist.
If you don't know, Hamas and Hezbollah are not like Alqaeda, Isis and Boko Haram. The difference is as light and darkness.

Lawag3:
The won of 2006 ended Hezbollah claimed to have won that war even though the war was a stalemate. Even then they started it by kidnapping those Israeli soldiers.



The agreement than was Hezbollah will disarm and move beyond the litany river which they never did so who violated the agreement Israel completely withdrew from Lebanon.


Legitimate political party with armed forces recognised as terrorists by many countries.


Let's not talk about religious sentiment that will make you a hypocrite you are defending the party of Allah that's what the name Hezbollah means.


Tried to prevent genocide? What UN resolution post it here what UN resolution justify Hezbollah?


Hezbollah did not even make the claim you're now making that their attack on Israel was a retaliation for 2006 you just made that up.



You hate Jews because you're Muslim.

Anybody can claim its ideology from any religion, it doesn't make them a bonafide part of that religion. Joseph Kony takes his barbarous ideology from the Bible. Meanwhile, Alqaeda and Isis have been denounced by Muslim leaders and millions of Islamic adherents and yet supported and funded by Christian western leaders. Who is decieving who?

The fact that a western media source says something doesn't make it right. Read between the lines and relate events together. Did you see how the western media are whitewashing the terrorists trying to unseat Assad in Syria. These guys are an offshoot of Alqaeda oh.

I am sorry sir but you are a slowpoke and if you cannot see the truth when it is right before you, then you deserve to remain a slowpoke.

Lawag3:
Created terrorist group?

These groups get their ideology from your Quran not from the Christian bible.


That's how you Muslims gaslight blame every one but yourself.

In war blood are shared like I said before Hezbollah started the war in Lebanon not Israel they did that for no reason at all.


Israel was attacked on the 7th Hezbollah's attacked Israel on the 8th.


If the state of Lebanon cannot keep Hezbollah in check then they are in cohorts with Hezbollah.


You act as if you hate blood shed until it is Jewish blood.



You Muslims even hate each other Sunni vs shia Muslims.

Religion of peace indeed.

That guy is a slowpoke. I wish i can have a debate with him one on one.

IMEI:
Ladies and Gentlemen

I present to you the 'honest muslim' israel supporter, who self-confessedly doesn't believe in God

The entirety of the creation of the Israeli state lacks any moral or logic basis except that the powers that be made it happen. All the so called truce and peace proposals the Palestinians were made to sign were only imposed upon them as stop gaps in their oppression. How can you be the oppressor and yet be the one to determine the basis of peace?

Despite all these, Israelis continue to violate even these ceasefire. They are doing it in Lebanon as we speak. They have done it for several years by encroaching on the little territory they themselves have openly allocated to the Palestinians. They say one thing and do another thing. They surround you, starve you and goad you and when you fight back they label you as terrorists and use western media to dehumanise you.

Gbadebo19:
Of course, you must tell a lie to suit your false assumptions.
What about the several accords broken up by Hamas? Is that one also based on religion?
What about October 7? Does everyone who supports Israel based on October 7 did so based on religion?
I am a Muslim and I support Israel? Is it also based on religion?
Just tell the truth to yourself, 95% of Muslims are troublemakers. Simple as ABC.

I agree with you. Israel has been good to Palestinians. May your neighbours treat you exactly as Israel has treated the Palestinians.

Lawag3:
I can post anything on twitter it doesn't make it true where are the pictures to back up this massacre?



There is no genocide happening in Gaza. There's a war ongoing and people die in war.


What makes this Gaza war a genocide.


The deaths or the intent to wipe out the Palestinians?

You must be an idiot. The persecution of the Israelites by the Egyptian is a classic case of genocide in the Bible. Tell me, did the population of the Israelites reduce? Why then were they fighting against the oppression under Moses. I just dey watch you pro western faaggots annoying me with your endless bulshts using vocabularies to distort reality. Not your fault though. That's what your masters in Washington, Tel Aviv and London always do. They use their media to lie and legitimise the lies through international networks of influence. I have bad news for you my friend; Western hegemony is coming to an end. They may be rich but they are careless and their leaders are wicked.

Allthelight:
WP is not a chemical weapon it has been used in bakhmut, kiev and allepo by Russia

The population of Palestinians have not decreased.

This is another false update by you.

Genocide is strong word maybe the UN in don't know what is genocide