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To start with, you dont know what you were talking about. I doubt you read about the Renaissance in Europe. The Ottoman retreated to modern day Turkey, Cyprus and part of Greece after the defeat in Europe, and constantly launched wars to reclaim the lost grounds in modern day Europe for several years until they gave up. They never paid any reparation. Read it up.

Secondly, the moment you agreed that colonialism gave some form of modernisation in structure, you defeated every ounce of your argument for any other form of assistance. There was a benefit and such should have been a catalyst for growth and development. You couldn't have benefitted from colonialism and expect them to continue to pander to your needs while you kill yourselves, loot your commonwealth, oppress yourselves,squander all your resources and then expect bail out from others.

With regards to election loss, i did not participate in your election in Nigeria, had conveniently left your shit hole before then so I am not even looking at anything from that angle. But i used that as an example of how retrogressive the thinking of Africans are while expecting developments or help from others. Help yourselves first by sanitising your leadership and genuine progress will come without begging for development from your colonial masters who still marvel with mouth agape at how stupendously Africa is endowed with natural resources they can only dream off. Yet, they keep putting wrong ones in the position of leadership. Like someone else told you, swap Africans and Americans and move them opposite whete they are now, in 5 years or less, Africa will become the new el-dorado while the US will become something close to Somalia or South Sudan. It is inborn, no amount of reparation can cure that.

I recommend you read a book about post colonial africa titled "The state of africa" by Martin Meredith and you would have a better understanding of why Africa will remain what it is. Backwaters of the world. You would understand why generational long tribal suspicions, greed, stupidity, political cluelessness and all sorts will continue to bedevil africa unless there are dramatic and revolutionary changes. You would read about how the colonial masters persuaded their citizens in Algeria, Guinea, Senegal, Southern and Northern Rhodesia, and other staes where the Europeans fought hard to retain as annexes of their home countries as settlements, to give African countries independence because they were sure that despite the rich resources, Africans were not capable of governing themselves well. A few years after the independence of these countries they turned to beggar nations after mismanaging the orgamisiation and feittering away the wealth the Europeans left.

Try and read up to develo your thinking and connec it to what is happening around you, dont just see everyting from election losses or winnings alone

llakes4real:
Firstly, exclude your election loss from the discuss. Nobody care whether your candidate won or not. Everyone supported whom they think was the best, and someone won. Heal yourself!





Yes, for some primitive African societies, but not all.

If they came to do so much good as both of you propagate, then why did they resist independence aggressively? Why did they murder millions of people just to continue "giving them organization"? They did the same thing in the Americas, in case you dont know.

And the Ottoman and Byzarntine empires did pay reparations, but under duress. Maybe you expect us to also use force against the colonists to force justice?

To start with, you dont know what you were talking about. I doubt you read about the Renaissance in Europe. The Ottoman retreated to modern day Turkey, Cyprus and part of Greece after the defeat in Europe, and constantly launched wars to reclaim the lost grounds in modern day Europe for several years until they gave up. They never paid any reparation. Read it up.

Secondly, the moment you agreed that colonialism gave some form of modernisation in structure, you defeated every ounce of your argument for any other form of assistance. There was a benefit and such should have been a catalyst for growth and development. You couldn't have benefitted from colonialism and expect them to continue to pander to your needs while you kill yourselves, loot your commonwealth, oppress yourselves,squander all your resources and then expect bail out from others.

With regards to election loss, i did not participate in your election in Nigeria, had conveniently left your shit hole before then so I am not even looking at anything from that angle. But i used that as an example of how retrogressive the thinking of Africans are while expecting developments or help from others. Help yourselves first by sanitising your leadership and genuine progress will come without begging for development from your colonial masters who still marvel with mouth agape at how stupendously Africa is endowed with natural resources they can only dream off. Yet, they keep putting wrong ones in the position of leadership. Like someone else told you, swap Africans and Americans and move them opposite whete they are now, in 5 years or less, Africa will become the new el-dorado while the US will become something close to Somalia or South Sudan. It is inborn, no amount of reparation can cure that.

I recommend you read a book about post colonial africa titled "The state of africa" by Martin Meredith and you would have a better understanding of why Africa will remain what it is. Backwaters of the world. You would understand why generational long tribal suspicions, greed, stupidity, political cluelessness and all sorts will continue to bedevil africa unless there are dramatic and revolutionary changes. You would read about how the colonial masters persuaded their citizens in Algeria, Guinea, Senegal, Southern and Northern Rhodesia, and other staes where the Europeans fought hard to retain as annexes of their home countries as settlements, to give African countries independence because they were sure that despite the rich resources, Africans were not capable of governing themselves well. A few years after the independence of these countries they turned to beggar nations after mismanaging the orgamisiation and feittering away the wealth the Europeans left.

Try and read up to develo your thinking and connec it to what is happening around you, dont just see everyting from election losses or winnings alone

quote author=llakes4real post=132810267]

Firstly, exclude your election loss from the discuss. Nobody care whether your candidate won or not. Everyone supported whom they think was the best, and someone won. Heal yourself!





Yes, for some primitive African societies, but not all.

If they came to do so much good as both of you propagate, then why did they resist independence aggressively? Why did they murder millions of people just to continue "giving them organization"? They did the same thing in the Americas, in case you dont know.

And the Ottoman and Byzarntine empires did pay reparations, but under duress. Maybe you expect us to also use force against the colonists to force justice?[/quote]

You and your 3rd generation to come go don die before this Nigeria can be better

Chucks13:
Let them go plss we do not need them, Nigeria will be great again plus them minus them.

The National security adviser is busy organising prayers.

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What is this victim mentality.
Ifnyou uhderstajd history well, more than half of Europe was colonized by the Ottoman and Byzarntine empires. Indont hear them calling out for ODA or repatration, they looked at themselves and built their ruined countries up again, resisted bad governance,paid heavy sacrifices to create a society that the descendants of their colonizers(Turkey) have been begging to become members of their society (EU) for decades. They were not stupid enough to vote in drug lords as presidents and expecting progress.

Colonialism gave Africans a structure, semblance of organisation out of the chaos and disembolwlment of culture and deep-rooted hatred for one another that was met in Africa pre-colonial era. They were not the ones who told you to vote against your own progressive interests by electing thieves as leaders.

Despite the alledged truth that the wealth in Africa is so stupendous that it could make it heaven on earth, it is the people with organisation and necessary leadership skills that have the best countries of the world. All the courtesies that were given ODA first had a semblance of organisation, not the chaotic and selfish rulership that black men have been cursed with.

Validated:
Go and work and stop looking for hand out.
Did your fore-father not receive payments for selling their kith and kins? Did your Obas and Obis, Emirs, etc not get paid to sell slaves?
If you sold your cow (commodity to another), do you go to him after thousands if years to ask for repatriation? If anyone should be paying
repatriation, it should Nigeriian Obas, Obis, Emirs, who should be paying African-American, Haitians, Barbados black, Central Carribeans, Jamaicans, for selling their forefathers and pocketing the money. Not the buyer, who paid fully for their cargo, paid for shipping alongside.

Why are you not hounding Arabs for enslaving Northerners or was it only West African slaves tgat were sold? Imagine now you are drilling away your oil reserve, then one day you start having earthquake and you start demanding the oil buyers to come and pay for your recklessness, your greed and your dishonesty.

Thats wrong. Trump was invited as customarily done he refused to go claiming election was rigged

Stop using lies to make cheap points when you dont even know anything.

As for Obaseki, he shoukd know the moment his party lost the ekection, power had shifted. He should not be so shocked. He shoukd stop crying like a baby thst has now been abandoned. Powrr os transient

RealityKings:
Even Donald Trump was not invited to the inauguration of Biden... But look how tables turn?

That's politics, complain less and act with strategy

Lol....which will you prefer, Buharis time or Tinubus time? If you can answer that honestly in your mind, then your curses will work, otherwise, its a waste of space.

faceland:
The link is there for your facts... It is a big blessings if you are truthful that Buhari was great and a curse if you were knowingly lying. Please say "Amen" with a clear mind.


You deserve to be accursed. You are more wicked than a Nazi.

Lol...whoever typed this should be left alone. Arguing with such a thing will dampen your brain and make you doubt your sanity.

helinues:
Wondering why accounting lecturers should be having debt. Have they forgotten about balanced sheet?

This is too low, even for a Bot.

helinues:
Tell us how economy works.

Tell us how the productivity would increase when your likes would prefer to come online and blame everyone for the world's problem instead of channelling that same energy in being productive to one self

Do you have any business running or you are queuing behind others for wages/salary?

Very stupid reasoning

slimfit1:
Please introduce road tax for all personal vehicles 60% for people with more than 2 vehicles registered in their address. The finance minister is not looking at this because he would be affected. If we introduce this tax bill people like Dino will be bringing money to the treasury for just parking cars he doesn't need or use, maybe he will start showing us businesses in Nigeria instead of cars.

Lol....you know the buffoons by the limitation of their thinking capacity . Instead of arguing with facts, he resorted to curses. Its not like i care about your curses, they are irrelevant. Me and my generation have made the right choices to be above your curses.

But, How could anyone sane be blaming Buhari but leave out the main supporter of Buhari. Hiw coukd anyone blame Buhari for the cluelessness of a brilliant accountant who mobed the economy from 1st place to 5th place in just 13 months?

You should know who that type of a person is. Empty skull.

faceland:
He broke every campaign promises he had and made everything he critized Jonathan of worst. He might be the lesser of two evils in comparison to Tinubu, but he was a failure and the reasons Nigeria is in this mess. May God turn your life (and those of your grandchildren) the same way Buhari turn the destiny of Nigeria in 8 years. Amin.

Anyone trying to rewrite history to favour thieves and manipulators like Buhari should never find peace in their life (if they are guilty of being his defence lawyer of lies) Amen.

https://guardian.ng/business-services/how-buhari-reversed-nigerias-16-year-economic-gains-by-world-bank/

They youths tried, with the end bad governance protest, it was just that we had more saboteurs than genuine youths....

InvertedHammer:
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Every time any country tightens their immigration policies, Nigerians catch cold. This is because Nigerians have no intention of challenging the leaders to develop the country.

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Joker. This goes to show a lot of you dont have brains aside from listening to the nonsense that comes out of the government propaganda.

The foreingn reserves of a country is not a measure of how well a country is doing economically, it is a mere measure how much funds a country has as an asset in foreign banks to fund future imports. That is why China is giving out her foreign reserve as a loan to the US and many ofher countries rather than keeping it. If you are not using the foreign reseve to sustain imports of important maxhinery for developments
or defend your local currency, then its growth is useless. That is why you see the naira still depreciating despite the increase in Nigeria foreign reserves lately

Only your foreign creditors will be happy that your foreign reserves is growing because it gives them more collateral to seize in case the country defaults. Most sane countries invest their foreing reserve,use it to import required machinery to boost their economy or use it to defend their currencies. Something should tell you that the growth of the foreign reserve is meaningkess to Niherian economy since the exonomic indices have been worse ing despite increases in foreign reserve as the current government is claiming. They only pull the wool over semi literates like you who are undiscerning

Globally, a popular measure of an improvement and growth in an economy is the GDP and under Jonathan, Nigeria rose to becone the 1st in Africa. Right now, Nigeria is projected to be 5th in Africa behind SA,Egypt,Algeria,Ethopia and even Kenya, just within18 months of Tinubu's administration. It should be clear to you whonis destroying your economy with terrible policies.

One more question, is Tinubu investing the foreign reserve in the Nigerian economy now? This is to show that many of you are semi literates, using dou ke standards while using blames of previous leaders to deflect Tinubus incompetence and cluelessness.

Second question, Who were the sponsors of the
anti subsidy protest when Jonathan proposed to gradually remove the subsidy? Again, ut shows you guys dont have any atom of objectivity when defending Tinubu.

Thiefobi1:
Jonathan met foreign reserve at $68b within three years squandered more than 55% of it on petrol subsidy, pegging of dollar.

Imagine what $38b would have done if he had invested it on the economy.

It that not paper economic growth.

Lol...what did Buhari do? Some of you are so daft.

He was wise enough(despite his lack of education) not to devalue the currency and kept the economy in 1st place in Africa after 8 years, same position he met it.

Tinubu dropped the economy from1st to 5th behind even Kenya and Ethopia and you are calling Buharis name.

A "master strategist" and "brilliant accountant" for that matter
Lol

faceland:
"I did my best"

Buhari actually said that (after 12 years of campaigning and 8 years of ruling).

He never had a plan.

Meanwhile there is massive amnesia spreading in northern Nigeria, no one remembers Buhari's failure and just shouting "Tinubu this, Tinubu that".

You haven't made any point. When you do, i shall take it that you actually know what you are talking about, until then, you are one of the BOTs

Atuero:
Are you ok?
Do you have compression issues?

This mistake i did not make. My father was one of the early post independence patriots, he had opportunities to leave the Country in the late 70s and early 80s but stayed put believing Nigeria would change one day. Unfortunately,Nigeria killed him. He died while the country was on strike and required an urgent medical surgery. We waited for days while the government and the doctors were doing their battle.

The night before his death, we spoke at length and he stressed his regrets on not leaving Nigeria when his colleagues were checking out then and the companies that trained him in the UK wanted him back by all means. I took a lesson from that. No matter how well off you are in Nigeria, the chaos, low quality of life, creeping poverty and bad governance will catch up with you one day. That same month and after his burial i began the journey to move out of Nigeria legally and create a path towars the citizenship of another country for the sake of my future generation.

Look at Kemi Badenoch,her parents saw it much earlier and moved her out despite the fact that they were well to do. Many Nigerians living well overseas and conquering the world would have had their dreams and potentials stunted if they all believed Nigeria will be good soon. I know it will be good one day but not in this generation or next so why waste my life on false hopes whike the children of politicians enjoy our commonwealth looted by their parents inbthe same oversea countries rhey keepntelling us not to go and remain patriotic. Any slight headache,
they run abroad for medical check up(i have started seeing even local givernment councillors buy houses and move their children in the US to escape Nigeria and secure their future) and leave the poor to go to the so called "hospitals" where deaths are almost certsin in Nigeria . I have just one life to live and i chose sanity and higher standard of life than the one of corruption, nepotism , blatant stealing,chaos,mediocrity and poor standard of living. Even if I am a second class citizen, it is better than being subjected to all sorts of insanity and being killed in a rotten system with very low value to life(here you can not even kill a wild animal without the government social workers reporting at your door step in hours to seek for an explanation and ready to arrest you talk more of a human being) and where touts and semi literates rule over the sensible ones, where idiots, thieves and drug barons make rules for the intelligent ones.

Before leaving Nigeria, I used to go to the teaching hospitals in Lagos to donate my own "first fruits" to those there who needed some support to pay their bills, to pay for surgery or buy drugs. That is where you would understand why they refer to those teaching hospitals as glorified mortuaries and why the politicians and their families prefer to come abroad for medical treatments at the expense of the populace. A few times i went there made me more than determined to get my family out of that place called Nigeria. Its a death chamber. You have less than 1% chances of coming out alive if your case id referred to either LUTH or LASUTH. They barely have light to carry out medical surgeries. I saw a particular case where LUTH officials told the family of a patient in coma that they needed to pay to borrow an equipment required for brain pressure scan/testing from a private establishment. Of course, the man died after being abandoned for days. Some Nigerians in refugee camps in Europe have access to better medical care that some of the things I saw at those glorified mortuaries.

If you have the means to get out legally, for the sake of your family, please do so, even if you will remain back in Nigeria to "hustle"...so you don't regret later

isArray:
Our parents said that in the 80's and 90's

This is how to know dafts.
Comparing the economy under Jonathan to that of Tinubu, while regarding the former as "paper economic growth" It is the dumbest way of deflecting Tinubu's ineptitude and cluelessness.

Ask Nigerians which they would prefer, whether the paper economic growth under Jonathan or the current shambles the drug lord is currently overseeing

Atuero:
The attach picture explained it all

While Buhari in an attempt to fix Nigeria faulty roots, he dismantled the whole system and was unable to assemble it back, hence, the need for a qualified Mechanic to carry out overhaul to fix the numerous problems that caused the breakdown.


Tinubu who some Nigerians that supported him and boasted of his expertise and experience, instead of coming with the right tools for the job, he came violently with a Cutlass scaring everyone away.we are now running for our dear lives finding it difficult to even feed 2 square meals a day talk more of balanced diets.


Some of us expected Tinubu to

Restructuring

2. True Federalism

3. Economic growth and development.. not the paper economic growth witnessed under GEJ.

4 .Employment opportunities

5. Food security and end to senseless Herders-Farmers clashes

6. End to insecurity, banditry, insurgency and whatnot

7. Pro-people and pro-democratic policies of government

8. Reformed Police and stronger Military and Paramilitary outfits


As at the moment, he has practically achieved none of them.

Mumu

...actually, some buffoons will keep themselves hungry in the name of heeding to this senseless call.

....the ironic thing here is, some Nigerian will believe then and woukd vote them on this alone. Mumu dem.

That country is gone.

That's to tell you he had a sleepless night with someone else

ElValiente:
Niqqa just wanna sleep or go home

Lol....jamboree and estacode things...Nigerian delegation is 2 times the number of people you are seeing in that picture .....their girlfriends and side chicks go dey hotel dey wait for them....we know how dem dey run am

Metrix147:
Source: https://abntv.com.ng/news/minister-of-police-affairs-igp-egbetokun-chikwe-udensi-others-in-uk-for-interpol-general-assembly-photos/

Obviously, you are not telling the truth. The moment you mentioned not publicising their business to avoid tax, clearly shows you dont know how corporates work. No quoted company will resort to such. In fact publicity is a key market share attaining strategy.

cryptocherith:
The head office is located in Allen Avenue before Oshopay plaza though.
This bank is not a small bank at all!!
ASA International has traded on the Main Market of the London Stock Exchange since July 2018.
They are popular among Smes and particularly market women.
I once worked there as a loan officer in Ijebu Ode.
They have close to 500 branches across Nigeria and if not more.
It is owned by Bangladesh, lately is when they start using signboard in all branches.
These asian way of having organization without signboards so as to avoid tax and other expenses.
Only those in business with them knows them as they usually make use of 3 bedroom flat just like grooming,lapo, etc. In fact, none of those two that are popular have their customer base.

Well, they voted yhe wrong people into power. Let them face the consequences.

Correct omo yoruba

Telltruth123:
Tinubu is being abused for his failure in handling Nigerian economy, don't play tribal card sir, hunger doesn't know tribe.

We are Yorubas and we are very disappointed in Tinubu's performance, people are commiting suicide everyday due to the failure of Tinubu, we thought he would be better than Buhari but we are wrong

Mr president sir, we are very disappointed in your performance.

They have given him food to chop.....e remain Fani Kayode

In other words, Nigeria is sunken economically.

In other words, Nigerian is sunken economically.

While you and your economy are dying under Bulaba, yet you dont know. You are still more focused on somebody's dead political career.

odejimioflagos:
Atiku is still talking about that election like a broken record.

His political career is dead and buried.

He can not. He will ramble incoherence and gibberish all through.

franktech:
Sentiments wont allow us to see them

Try talk about one first

What is the good to talk about in his government?