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Jackofall:
Your second paragraph is a big lie.

How do we know what should be observed?

What if we have been observing cups wrongly all these while? What if cups have different characteristics that presents with different observations, and we are only limited to some observations based on situation.

Not observing what u would "normally" observe doesn't mean it is absent.

what should be observed is a cup remember?
that's why meaning of words and terms matter, u can't ask for evidence of rain while expecting sand, that's nonsensical

CeoMYN:
I hate to say it, that quote you said about God is not diestic.

we are Theists, and theists believe in the Existence of God, but the description of God may differ among religions , and FYI Deism is a religion as well but a natural religion, others are more like " revealed religion " there are lots u need to know, join the group

Jackofall:
U have an endless abundance of strawman.
What is nothing? What is something?

google and come back, I don't have to spoon feed u, u are not paying me

donnffd:
I think i am now believing you are a troll.

Air is something, it has the properties of something, it is perfectly valid to ask, is air something?

On the otherhand, concepts cannot be in the same category, it is in a different category

From what i am seeing, you are trying to say everything in the english language has to fall into either something or nothing...smh

Mehn this is just a waste of time...chaow

what is the property of something? must a thing be physical to be something?

Jackofall:
This is so wrong.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I can't believe this is coming from a supposed intelligent being.

common bro, that's my point, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, the Jonny dude thought it was, u are on my side

CeoMYN:
Bro you are not a diest.

Im actually the creator of Nigerian union of deists whatsapp group with over 40 members, I am a deist, u don't have to like it, add 07034362071 to join

Jackofall:
Ur nature analogy is pure strawman.

What's the correlation between nature and the different gods we have. Common u can do better than this.

how can an anology be a strawman? u people are wonderful here o lol

donnffd:
is it that you cant read?... i just said those properties dont apply to concepts, its like asking 'what color is the air?', thats an invalid question because color is not a property of air!

Dude, i see your arguing skills are really weak.

see this baby logician lol

no! its not like saying what colour is air, it's like saying its air something or nothing ? use proper anology nxt time,

now lf concepts , ideas are not nothing or something, then what are they?

I'm enjoying u display ignorance by the way lol

Jackofall:
So if you cannot prove that u can't prove a negative,that must mean you can prove a negative.

OMG. This is weakening me.

you think we are playing here abi?

if u cannot prove that you can't prove a negative it means the claim "u can't prove a negative " by logic cannot itself be proven lol

donnffd:
Something or nothing cannot be a property of a concept, Concepts are imaginary, they are not something neither are they nothing, those properties doesnt apply to concepts, so until you show that God is not a concept, your question is invalid!

because you say so? lol

are u saying imaginary things are not something?

CeoMYN:
OP you said "capital G, which I will define as Creator of universe and origin of life, any deity that's defined this way fits to be called God, eg Allah, Brahman, Yahweh".

This shows that you are hiding..... Saying you are a diest and using Allah, Yahweh and Brahman as examples.

Are you really a diest?

if God is believed to be the cause of the universe and Allah, Brahman, Yahweh , prime mover is believed to be the creator of the universe is means They are God. tho God can be given different personalities that may differ within religions, doesn't change the fact that they mean the same thing, God!

donnffd:
Non-sequitur!!!

there is no relation between everything and God(and i mean God from your definition)

is God something or nothing?

Jackofall:
A leading question is a question which subtly prompts the respondent to answer in a particular way. Leading questions are generally undesirable as they result in false or slanted information

This is a tactic used by blogthug

this not a leading question, it a logical question, is God something or nothing? if God is something then God cannot be nothing that will be a logical contradiction

CeoMYN:
No. I don't care whether God exists or not.

Actually a diestic God don't have to prove his existence.

every claim needs to be proven which logically implies claim of existence and non existence

johnydon22:
example - "prove there isn't a red cup on this table" adepeter26 watch closely, he will evade and dodge

i know you're smart that's why I'm taking my time to help u understand this

if u want to show that something doesn't exist, u cannot say showing it doesn't exist is evidence, that's a circular reasoning

CatfishBilly:
Like I said, the guy is a troll, all huff and puff, no substance.
Later he will be shouting intelligence up and down.

seems you are bored, let me give u an argument

if everything exists , then God exists

refute!

CeoMYN:
Are you a Diest?

yes, I am, are u

johnydon22:
lol that is another way of saying i cannot hope to prove the negate that no cup is on that table - absence of evidence not evidence of absence is a mantra we hear everyday.

your task was simple, prove the negate, prove there is no cup on that table... stop jumping up and down.

we are heading to page 3 yet no argument presented, i am still patiently waiting for one

and I answered u beautifully, u just don't grasp the explanation, no evidence of red cup on the table isn't proof that there isn't

simply put, observing non existence of red cup isn't proof of nonexistence of red cup, but observing something contrary to what should be observed under existence is proof of nonexistence, if u are intelligent ud grasp this by now

johnydon22:
that is not an argument but just your opinion now kindly regale us the thrilling arguments in support of this opinion which you have provided none yet.

till then what he said stances - You have no argument

please stay focused on our chat, u are everywhere, or are u their leader? that question is meant for him to ask me to prove it lol

johnydon22:
concepts are basically ideas, child of the human mind.

you are dodging like your life depends on it, answer my question, are concepts nothing or something? are ideas nothing or something? is the human mind nothing or something?

johnydon22:
you think so high of yourself even when you appear so puerile, we are yet to get a compelling proof that there is no red cup on that table - state these observations and reconcile them as proof of no cup on that table

I just showed that your logic is flawed sorry u couldn't grasp it, absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, this is primary school logic nau lol

hopefulLandlord:
another failed thread
op has NO argument

I do actually, God exists

niyihawking:
swahiliioooioo

do u think I'm wrong?

johnydon22:
hahahahahahaha we are getting somewhere

i dont think there is God so just like a unicorn god can be said to be nothing more than a concept. why not you that argues for God define God and we will take on that from the principle of your definition.

are concepts nothing or something?

johnydon22:
example - "prove there isn't a red cup on this table" adepeter26 watch closely, he will evade and dodge

lol primary school logic,

lacking evidence for a red cup is never evidence for No cup , observations contrary to what is expected if a red cup exists is evidence for No cup, I know this will be hard take time to understand it

niyihawking:
Now, this is bull sh*t

kindly quote two different versions of Nature

if u can't grasp a simple analogy, there is no point discussing with you, meet others for notes later

johnydon22:
evasion and i will not have that - you have hit a wall today and no running away from it, you should asked before engaging me.

i am teaching you a lesson in your own game, there is a red cup on that table, please prove there isn't [ i thought you are good at asking proof for the negate, now chew on your own gum]

another classical example of saying my proof of tree fairies are trees. it doesn't work that way, you can't just point at an unrelated subject as proof of your opinion without deriving a compelling argument to bridge these subjects. i am still waiting for your argument.

u write very long trash , now answer me

Is God something or nothing?

adepeter26:
Na everything you dae allow slide @blogth*UG? Ayama not understanding oo

most of them are ignorant of basic logic, imagine a free thinker saying stuff like " u can't prove a negative claim " lol they don't know that by logic that statement is itself a Negative claim , which means it cannot be proven. I can't start teaching everyone now, will take years so I'd let some slide, I know where I'm going

johnydon22:
perhaps a good analogy is best to teach you this basic tenet of an argumentative discussion.

Mr A: i have a diamond ball
Mr B: I don't believe you do
Mr A: proof that i don't !
this is a classical example of what you are doing here, asking people to prove your own unproven propositions which is both nonsensical and consonant with the simple rules of argument

a better scenario should be

Mr A: i have a diamond ball
Mr B: i don't believe you do
Mr A: here it is [shows his diamond ball]




failing your own rules yet again - this is a good example of an unnecessary ad hominem



why not just show us and leave google out of it, i thought you are extremely intelligent

listen here young man, saying you can't prove a negative claim by logic is itself a negative claim, so it cannot be proven, think deeper bro, u boring me lol

CatfishBilly:
So, your definition of god is the creator of the universe and the origin of life that doesn't interfere in the affairs of his creation?

whether he interferes or not it's not relevant here

adepeter26:
I thought as much too........

I see Blogthug shooting himself sha....

I still dae follow

I can prove a negative, I am not a girl, that's nursery school logic, what do u guys do with your browser? apart from downloading porn and fallacious memes? use your Google!

johnydon22:
you are already failing in simple tenets of argument. You cannot make a proposition and ask someone who doubts your proposition to proof the negate.

the onus is on your who asserts the existence of a God to prove this not the person who doubts it.

now to demonstrate, there is a red cup on the table {image attached} now prove there isn't

even if that's a baby logic let me let that slide.

now my prove for God's existence is because Nothing does not exists