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Thanks for this. I know this may not be too heavy but how strong is it and will the effects of our heavy rain, hot us and serious wind damage this? What kinda price are we looking a here?
mufutau55: For rental I will advise to go for Chinese Iron doors for internals. And get good solid Local iron doors for External. Unless your rental property is a luxury one, then use other options like Turkey doors. Yes, I am cheap and economical.
Hajji M.
Haji M. nothing wrong with cheap and economical o.
Everything has its place o and if befto is just renting then this makes alot of sense.
by the way how much are these turkish and chinese doors.
gabbytabby: Quite a number of my dad's tenants have been more than family to us. My brother was using one and he was doing a good job. Next thing I know his relatives started calling him ode and things started to go south.
I find that you also have to be fair with your request if it is taking people away from their means of livelihood then you need to insist on them being compensated even if they say there is need.
1) Take ransom physical measurements. Buy a 5m tape and take physical wood measurement but Leave an allowance for human error. If you're not around, find a "Neutral" relative to do so
2) Do not pay completely up front. Hold back a certain amount and go into agreement with the supplier that you won't pay him if his wood is incomplete in size and quantity
3) Get a "Neutral" Carpenter to be paid just 2-3k for the sole purpose of identifying the type of wood
***Neutral means someone with no stake / interest in the job. If you tell ur Carpenter to verify the wood, he might tell U its bad because the supplier didn't settle him OR because he had expectations of buying wood himself and gaining about 70-100k..
**** I personally do work (supplying wood as part of them) and demand to be paid after work is done or wood has gotten to site. Some Nairalanders can testify to this. It's risky but I do it after consultations.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. It really helps alot when we get such detailed info.
So from what you are saying. The difference in sizes is due to the greedy nature of the suppliers trying to sell less for more?
So how can one combat this? how can we avoid this issue?
HsLBroker: No sir, the wood prices are excluded from the cost of transporting it but there maybe subsidy depend on the supplier.
The difference between solo size woods and full size woods are listed below.
One solo sizes wood are woods that not up to the address standard measurement of woods used in roofing.
for instant solo sizes 2 inches by 2 inches by 12 feet which is summarized as 2x2x12 are not going to be fully measured 2 inches by 2 inches 12 feet instead it will be 1.5 inches by 1.5 inches by 12 feet or 11 feet and at the end all those half and inches combine together by the seller or suppliers may end up shorten you close to about 50 pcs of 2 x 2 x 12, and it will be again for the seller, because on the 2 x 12 x 12 woods they are suppose to saw out 6 pcs of 2 x 2 x 12 but eventually they will sawing out 7 or 8 and that will result in you buying more woodsou and the supplier gaining woods from you, because if they are suppose to saw 50pcs 2 x 12 x 12 to give them 300 pcs of 2 x 2 x 12 they saw 38pcs of 2 x 12 x 12 and it will still give them 300 pcs but it will be lighter and it will be up to full measurement standard woods, and now some of them are going to become a rough woods that carpenter will reject in using to roof the building, because the woods will not be useful for roofing reinforcement and carpenters will not be able to stand on it, in case you are using stone coated roofing sheets for your purlins and pop designers too will reject it because the pop board strength will be too much for the light woods to hang, electricians too that will work inside the the roof for electrification will complain about there safety.
Secondly, some suppliers are so greed to the point of sawing out 3 woods from 2 x 6 x 12 from 2 x 12 x 12 instead of just dividing it into 2 equal size that will measure full accurate 2 inches by 6 inches by 12 feet woods.
But the full measurement woods are standard roofing woods, 2 x 2 x 12 will measure accurately on tape 2 inches by 2 inches by 12 feet same for 2 x 3 x 12 incase you are using aluminum roofing sheets, same for 2 x 4 x 12 for your rafters and tie beam and in some case we use it for king post if the height is not about 10 feet, and same for 3 x 4 x 12 they are suppose to be full measurement 3 inches by 4 inches by 12 ft same for 2 x 6 x 12 and 1 x 10 x 12 woods that will use for facing board.
elfadconcept04: we used aluminium for the roofing. it is concealed hence no need to use stone coated step tile. for parapet i do precast. it is cheaper than to cast insitu. if u cast insitu, u will use 1, granite, 2, iron rod, 3, wood and plywood while all u need for precast is cement and sand, binding wire and nails.. i will do precast parapet for you at 4000 Naira per meter labor. you only buy the material(cement and a few bags of cement) to save some cost. contact me so i can help u save some cost..
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How much did the roofing cost (excluding the paraphet). Which wood did you use?
fash78: Brag3 it depends on if you are targeting students around the area as potential tenants. If you are, then I will advice you to go for self contained rooms instead of a three bedroom penthouse. For my property I am not targeting students but if students can afford it why not
@elfadconcept04 and @fash78. Good job here. done very well.
How much is the rental income in Iyana-oba for 2 bedroom Flat (both en-suite)? Do you have a good estate management team that you can recommend?
@lafolabi, great job. looks very good. Is this the same one in Iyana-oba near LASU? How much does rent go for in that area? Do you have good estate agents that you can recommend for rental management?
@elfadconcept04: Thanks and God bless. You have made some fantastic points and all have been taken on board. The structural Engineer has been onsite and to be honest we wont be doing the Pent or Self contained apartments. Safety should always come first so we have decided to keep it the way it is and build a self-contained room elsewhere since we have plenty space. Thanks for your suggestions. Much appreciated
elfadconcept04: Consider d load u will b adding to d structure. The question is, wat kind of foundation is carrying ur structure? 2. Even if its a raft, was it properly done?? The other concern shld b, won't d building become a barracks if u av 3 self contains on d pent floor.. For safety, 1family on d pent floor will b better Dan 3families.. Even if u give dem out to students, de will always av room mates n visitors.. Pent floors shld b solitary confines... De r landlords quarters. So as u consider d benefits monetarily, u shld also consider health n safety of ur structure...
It is imperative we conclude everything this week as we all need to move on.
Awaiting your response with dates and times
brabus: Sir brag3, You can call me on my line or email me for more explanation or maybe we schedule a site visit for project defense. That's how things should be done.
If you didn't get a response, then take it up on nairaland. Even when I was explaining to your bro and things are not so clear on chat, he called.
I'm very sorry I'm not discussing the issue here. I can only post the pics for experts to fault. I'm sure experts must have seen what we did different even from the pictures so they can tell if they are out of place.
@Brabus. I have been onsite all day and can confirm 1000% that the pillars are much more than 39. They are infact 47 not 49 as I mentioned before.
As you have suggested lets do the site visit so we can clear these issues once and for all.
we can go through the drawings and compaee whats on ground and clear this up.
Let us do this this week.
Pls let me know days and time work for you.
It is imperative we conclude everything this week as we all need to move on.
Awaiting your response with dates and times
brabus: Sir brag3, You can call me on my line or email me for more explanation or maybe we schedule a site visit for project defense. That's how things should be done.
If you didn't get a response, then take it up on nairaland. Even when I was explaining to your bro and things are not so clear on chat, he called.
I'm very sorry I'm not discussing the issue here. I can only post the pics for experts to fault. I'm sure experts must have seen what we did different even from the pictures so they can tell if they are out of place.
Are you saying these additional columns are unnecessary?
segcymoor: Brabus. In the first place I suggest u observed what brag3 does by respecting client privacy (covered d clients name and reattach)
Now,back to issues at hand. To start with the structural engineer that design this particular structure known what he's doing. Builder brabus, with due respect those additional columns is absolutely unnecessary. We are taking about less than 5.5m intervals.
You see, when structural engineer indicates columns. He supported it by analyzing each individual beam. That is why they called it structural details.
In one of our recent projects, we have span of almost 7m without column. That is when they respect builder or engr in question
As a case study, this particular concept is not far from what egbosa did in ondo that cause issues. Someone got to site and shout 'no column' to hold this beam. In reality d column is unnecessary.
This is not correct. I will arrange a site visit so you can clear this up. Unless I am confusing pillars with something else I have definitely counted 49 on site. And in future I will appreciate if you kept the client's name confidential. I removed this before I posted the drawings so will appreciate if you do the same. I will arrange a site visit for you to clear this up once and for all.
Why weren't the drawings signed off by a certified Architect and Structural Engineer? I am sure this is what we paid for.
NO! You can never have 49 columns in the house. The grid with most columns has only 9 and we have only 4 grids. Unless you're counting some from both side.
Pic below: shows back and front section with 4 columns
Where the drawings done by a certified Architect? YES
Were they signed off by a certified architect and Structural Engineer? NO
Are these structural diagrams mine or not? The structural drawings are yours. I'm sure that's what you used for the first floor slab.
Did you say you counted 49 columns in that structure and they were all added by me? Can we schedule a meeting at the site sometimes next week for us to do the counting together? Or do you mean to say 39 columns instead of 49 because 6 additional column plus 33 columns equals 39 and not 49.
Pic 1: Columns added in red Pic 2: The building and the columns we installed. (1st column on the left in pic is B on the structural drawing)
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Oga segcymoor, can you point out any error in the structural drawing attached?
Yes, I am saying that and Yes you did all the pillars apart from the ones for the external Balcony which were done by the current Engineer on site. Remember you did not complete that section which was meant to have been done as part of the block work but thats another story. Yes we have 49 pillars in total. I have answered your question. Now can you answer mine?
Where the drawings done by a certified Architect? Were they signed off by a certified architect and Structural Engineer? What kind of approval do I have or have you done for me? Are these structural diagrams mine or not?
So let me get this straight. You'd rather send me pictures of my project to illustrate some points rather than answer my simple questions? It's amazing why you feel the need to introduce alot of red herring. Did you conveniently miss the section where I said more pillars is better than none or are you refusing bluntly to answer my questions which I repeat again. Why are my drawings different from what is on ground by about 16 columns? Introducing 1 or 2 or 3 may be acceptable but when you start doing this for 16 pillars then something was very wrong at the onset. Where the drawings done by a certified Architect? Were they signed off by a certified architect and Structural Engineer? What kind of approval do I have or have you done for me?
mufutau55: Acceptability? Yes and No. If the Plan was actually legally and officially approved for 33 pillars and 46 were implemented. YES.. No problem.
But if it was not legally or officially approved then NO... you may have problem in future proving the extra columns (pillars) or even for the Plan approval later.
I think in Lagos, you MUST have approved Plan before you can even build.... Go check and make sure your building is legally and officially approved. But with Wuru-wuru approval... you are in for a rough ride. Please do your own verifications. That is what I would have done.
Hajji M.
Thank you Haji M. I have meeting scheduled for full verifcation next week. I only came on here to let Brabus have his say before I open up another can of worms. It's now up to him to respond to my simple questions. Nothing else. This is no grudge-match. All I want are simple answers
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