Weah = You may clam that it was not the same Bible that we have today, but it was. We have historical documents from the 2nd century all the way through today and they match up 99.7% the same. Mohammed and the Koran verify that the validated its message. I have the text to prove it.

It is not possible to prove monotheism! The reason why is because it does not exist. Now I can prove God from a blank piece of paper. Good day!

Great point!! Now the claim is that the Bible of today is different than in the time of Mohammed?? Is that fact? We have the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 dating back to 400 BC that prove the Bible to be 99.7%
the same. Plus, there was 9 imams and great teachers that confirmed the Bible as being the word of God. So the Quran states the Bible is the word of God and that belief was held until the Bible was stated to be distorted. But in fact the Quran is the one that is distorted and I have proof of that also. Good day and Good thinking

Weah96:


One God down, ten million to go. Are you hearing yourself? The world doesn't revolve around you and three Gods. There are other Gods.

Btw, Allah in the Qur'an never endorsed what is the bible today. The gospel to a Muslim is not the 4 gospels. So my point still stands. If you're holding a KJV bible in your hand, then Allah has denounced it. Show me where Allah endorsed "the current bible."

You are wrong about Muhammad saying the Bible is distorted. Not a fact! Here are just five ayahs to change your mind.

This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it and a fuller explanation of the Book wherein there is no doubt from the Lord of the Worlds. [Qur’an 10:37]
Allah hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, as Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel. [Qur’an 3:3]
Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismai’l, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah. [Qur’an 2:136]
That which We have revealed to you of the Book is the Truth confirming what was (revealed before it: For Allah is assuredly with respect to his servants well acquainted and fully-Observant. [Qur’an 35:31]
Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) tell ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk [Qur’an 5:68]
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. [Qur’an 29:46]

Good day! Thanks for letting me know why you think there is distortion. Now that point is moot.

Weah96:


Is Oludumare not God too? By the way, you missed the part where Allah tells Muslims that the bible has been corrupted by human beings. God sent the Qur'an to confirm the bible. Do you see where this is going? Why are you not reading the word of God?

Why are all religions all wrong?

brotherbob:
I can prove all of your statements wrong. I was using a figuratively sense of speech by saying it was in our DNA. We are "wired" to seek and know God when we find him. Let us consider what it would take to prove God's existence? Would it be from a spiritual text, science, medicine, archeology, historical documents or just a sense of righteousness in our heart? I am saying it can be proven from just your heart! Here is the question that proves it true - Is it RIGHT to lie, steal or murder? Let me know the reason why you think either way.

How was it denounced? Enlighten us please. Did you know that another spiritual book claimed the Bible as the word of God? Or did you miss that memo?

Weah96:


The bible was denounced by God.

Which book is vilified by God? What book has God denounced? Please inform me.

Weah96:


You referred me to a book which God already denounced. There are over one billion people for whom that statement is as real as daylight.
That was why I asked you to first clarify the God business. Because you can't be referring me to a book which has been vilified by God elsewhere.

I thought it was a discussion about God. Why do you ask if I am a troll? God is simply the being that created the universe. You didn't know that?

Weah96:


Are you a troll, or a serious person? We must first establish what God is/means. Oh I see, you must be here to impress the ladies.

Bolded you are exactly right. There should be a major questioning of any spiritual system as to its validity. God is so precise when it comes to natural laws - gravity, humans eating food, sleeping, needed water and much more, why would God be so chaotic when it comes to spiritual matters. It is illogical that God would promote that type of confusion.

menesheh:



BOLDED
That's the indoctrination you inherited from your parents and the society, "kid it is a tabul to ask question about god" mom, dad or pastor said.
Any idea that encourages people not to ask question is filled with falsehood. Truth can't pretend to be true by asking people not to ask questions about it.

Take this instance, your mobile phone is a big mystery to persons new to it, therefore they should ask not questions about it. Is it not silly?
Asking questions will enhance your knowledge of such things and also help you in decoding the mysteries of it. Assuming God is truly a big mystery, there is no benefit of hiding his deep mysteries to us because the more people discover those mysteries, the more they become convinced that such deity exists.

That is explained in the book also. But you don't sound like you really want to know anyways.

Weah96:


Is he a homosexual by any chance? Which being would want to spend an ETERNITY with another person?

I thought everybody knew that. He is an eternal being, not created, who made the earth, universe and man. He cherishes each person on earth and wishes to spend eternity with Him. But there are requirements as to anything in life that is worth anything. Good day!

Weah96:


Are you a troll, or a serious person? We must first establish what God is/means. Oh I see, you must be here to impress the ladies.

Is God claimed rightfully God just because He has never died? Shoot if that is all the proof one needs than start spreading the word. But that is not a logical point with credible evidence. You are basing it off of a text that claims such things about Allah? Is the text deemed credible itself. Just a hint about spiritual text - Is there any spiritual text that claims another spiritual systems book is of God That will give you something to think about. Good day.

bxcode:

Do what you believe sir, I will also do what I believe, soon we shall all move to the great beyond and find out which is real.

How can you state that it is impossible to prove God? It is impossible to prove pluto, nuclear fission, gravity or about anything. With enough credible evidence anything can be proven. God has left more than enough evidence of his existence. Still Good day!

bxcode:
You can't prove God with your peanut brain nor with any book, because he is not man but spirit, but we know and believe that he existed, still existing and will continue to exist by faith. The bible is there to guide those that believe in him in this fallen world.

I don't think you have the cognitive processes needed to fully comprehend a proper debate by you previous answer. When you want to get serious and truthful look me up. Good day man

finofaya:


Chief, you asked a question which I have answered. I was expecting your follow up question, not this tantrum at my answer. Where is your proof anyway? I hope it is not dependent on my worldview.

Man I don't know what world you live in. Are those lies or are you trying to save the other person from being hurt? What is the motive? You mean because you don't tell small unknowing children, who don't have the cognitive processes, to fully understand what you tell them it is a lie. So you don't mind me lying to you because the concepts are over your head?

MURDER is not self defense. In our country and most of the world murder is taking someone's life because you choose to, based on your own selfish desire.

Man we put people in prison that steal no matter their financial status. Do bank robbers go free is they are destitute? Even people who steal food know that it is not right to do so, but must to survive. I didn't ask if it was maybe appropriate or understood. I specifically asked if it was RIGHT. You did not listen at all.

So I guess I could do any of these three matters to you and it would be fine! If you don't want to be serious please don't waste my time. Good day!

finofaya:


Lying is sometimes the appropriate thing to do. A person might not be prepared for an ugly truth, such as news of the passing of a loved one. In this case you might lie to protect them. It is also very common to lie to children about where babies come from, amongst many other lies. I don't think lying in these instances is wrong.

Killing is permitted in self defence, in defence of the state or society (by means of war or judicial execution), to save the life of a pregnant mother, etc. Are such killings wrong?

People who steal out of extreme privation are not usually condemned for stealing. Also, I can hardly see how you would consider it wrong if someone took away (stole) a weapon which would otherwise have been used for your injury.

Your questions missed the point.

What context is it right to lie, steal or murder? If I met you and didn't like you it would be right to do these things to you? To answer this question rightly, since you couldn't. Is it ok to do these things to you? You wouldn't mind at all? You got to be honest man.

finofaya:


So your proof is already contained in a 170 page book...

My heart does not tell me that there is a God.

If I think there is a God I wouldn't need your proof.

The wrongness of lying, stealing and murder depend on the context. In certain contexts they are wrong, and in others right.

But you didn't answer my question "Is it right to lie, steal or murder?" Why are these things wrong? You have to answer why this is the case with mankind?

brotherbob:
Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?" Is NO than we must answer why all people think this is the case?

Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?" Is NO than we must answer why all people think this is the case?

finofaya:


Go on then. Give it to me in writing.

Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?"

finofaya:


Go on then. Give it to me in writing.

I can prove all of your statements wrong. I was using a figuratively sense of speech by saying it was in our DNA. We are "wired" to seek and know God when we find him. Let us consider what it would take to prove God's existence? Would it be from a spiritual text, science, medicine, archeology, historical documents or just a sense of righteousness in our heart? I am saying it can be proven from just your heart! Here is the question that proves it true - Is it RIGHT to lie, steal or murder? Let me know the reason why you think either way.

Weah96:


Curiosity is in our DNA. Always has been that way since the first observer made an observation/measurement. The human mind dreads uncertainty with a passion. We must know the answer otherwise it's mental torture.

All religions are wrong, but they all contain some elements of the truth. They're wrong as far as the assignment of God is concerned. There is no remote third party God. God is the observer currently occupying the organic meat ship.

This is not true and I can give you the proof. Those men you quoted are likely ones that lived long ago. Plus there has been much evidence provided in the last 50 years never uncovered. Good day!

finofaya:


It is common practice to write down what has been reasoned out.

You probably can't come up with a proof that hasn't been written down somewhere before (and its refutation too). I think you should go ahead and read the suggested works. Please add Anselm and Godel to the list.

Or is it men seeking out God because it is in our DNA to look for Him? I can prove that all religions are wrong, all are right or one is right? Which is the right answer? And Why?

johnydon22:
[b]Apparently God is a christian because according to christian he is sadistic enough to roast every other people who do not believe as they do in a literal fire... and still within them they still think other denominations are going to hell... He also had a son with a human woman

Or wait God is a muslim because according to muslims to God is another barbaric pim_p who will organize ®rgy in heaven by handing them 72 virgins and roasting other people who are not muslims or who do not believe as they do in a literal fire.

Or Hhmmm i think God is a Hindu, Brahma is the creator of the universe and according to Hindus Christians and Muslims are wrong!!! Totally!!!

Ok ok lets not forget, God is a judaic man, they gave even in the christian old testament which happens to be the Scripture of judaism that christianity borrowed, God chooses Isreal more than other people on earth, takes their sides in battles and even helps them in battles (Hmmmm so God practises idiotic favouritsm.) and this God needs sacrifices, the smell of burning animals is very pleasant to it, imagine the barbarism... And according to them Christianity and Islam and Hinduism are deceiving themselves, God is a Judaic thing and has a special land, Jerusalem.

**No wonder christianity had to add burning something to their theology but this time instead of animals God now will be roasting billions of humans in a hell because he like the smell of burning flesh**

But there are more of it, God might actually be a yoruba, maybe Eledumare Hhmmm and this one started the human race in ile ife and a special Oduduwa to start a special yoruba race.

Or wait wait wait maybe God is igbo after all. Chukwu started life in Nsude and the first man chukwu created was in nsude. .Eri who is the forebears of the igbo race first before other race. . Hhmmm

Or maybe just maybe God is a Greek,the rocking swagger Zeus who can zap any idiot with thunder, Had a son with a human woman (Story of jesus also comes to mind) his name is Heracles or popularly called Hercules and would confine humans to an idiotic and stupendous equally barbaric underworld called tartarus.

And there are another 2900 concepts of GOD i have not mentioned yet . . Hiaaaan that's a lot.

And each is bathed in the cultural decorum of the people where it is found. . This is enough to show that all these God concepts are Cultural constructs of men trying to make sense of the world.. .. I'd let you be the judge of that[/b]

Mr. President I can prove you wrong through a means of logic and reasoning if you are up for the challenge?? Good day! Brother Bob

ihedioramma:
GOD have mercy on you . so as you think JESUS scam his apostle's? dont be fool, give and forget were it is goiog. if i may ask what is money? has any religoin ask you to bring any body for money .

Why must He be the God that you claim Him to be with associations to all of these groups. I can prove that He is not of Catholicism. He is not your brother and possibly not your father. It is not possible for Him to be a Saint. A saint is someone who is allegiant to Him and His ways that have received reconciliation and forgiveness by His Son Jesus Christ atoning work on the cross. Good day though!

odinese:
.why say such sh!t...

God is my brother and father


God is a Christian...



God is not Allah Akbar that behead pple anyhow..


God is a Catholic


God is a saint



God is a true Christian..



Peace be onto us.



Amen.

Why would I need their works. that is defeating the purpose of proving God without a text. It is just another form of text. Can't man figure this out on his own. I say unequivocally and resoundingly with a big YES! Good day!

eghuan1:



I think you should read about the works of the rationalist philosophers, like Rene Descartes and Leibniz

No there is a porous argument laid out for God. Buddhism says there is no God but when you die you become one. this is very illogical and unfounded to be logically sound reasoning. I claim there must be a means to articulate and prove God's existence based on words and not some text. Not that a spiritual text must obtain a certain level of proficiency to claim it was information from God and not man. Under your premise of thinking you would say that it is impossible to do in a logical manner. I politely disagree with your statement. Good day!

Weah96:


This God business. Depending on who you decide to call God, you may not need to prove anything. That's because no one will argue with you.
Can a Muslim prove Allah on a piece of paper?

Sadly you are wrong about almost everything that you have written. This is not uncommon for man because our ways are not God's ways. I discuss this in my upcoming venture where the onus of providing evidence of God is laid at the feet of believers. We have done a horrific job at giving you the proof that is need to "take a leap of faith." In reality it is no leap, but a small step when all of the evidence is provided. This is my new quest in life. I hear you speak through the pages that you are looking for answers. Hang in there and it will be coming soon. Good day! Thanks for expressing your thoughts.

Is it possible to prove God's existence without a spiritual book? Man has done this for over 5,000 years. I postulate that one can prove God without any spiritual book or evidence other than mankind itself. God can be proven using our logic and reasoning. Good day, Brother Bob

God does not have a religion. He is the ruler unto himself. Religion is the practice of a higher being. So since there is none, he obviously could not have a religion.