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oluafolabi:
Wait. Is Frosbel now an atheist? If you are not then you are probably the most confusing theist on NL.

@ frosbel, say rather, I and all those sharing in the same belief and doctrine with me cannot go to heaven. In this way you make more sense. "ye shall know the Truth and It shall set you free!". Indeed Truth is what's lacking in every belief systems because of their erroneous interpretations of the Word of God. While it is true that there are Heavens no human spirit can enter; such as the Abode of the Almighty Father which is the Highest Height, the Divine Kingdom which is the Abode of the Queen of Heaven, Archangels and the Elders. Still further downward, the Primordial Spiritual Kingdoms which is the Abode of the eternal created Spirits. These are the Heavens no human spirit can penetrate but there is a Heaven for human spirits. It's called Paradise of the human spirits where they all started their journey as unconscious spirit seeds and is situated within the Spiritual Creation which streets are made of Pure Gold. No earthly pictures can depict the beauty thereof.
It is true that a replica of this Edifice will be erected here on earth during the Millennium after all which oppose the Will of God must have been swept away and the earth is purified with everything, including men becoming NEW. This period of the great Millennium is to teach men how to stand at last only in the Will of God. Also, how they will live when they finally go back home to where they came from as the angels live.
Seek for spiritual enlightenment and it shall lead you to all Truth, and this Truth alone shall lead you unerringly to the eternal Kingdom of your God, the Kingdom of eternal Bliss and joyous activities.

CAPTIVATOR:
Just calm down .

According to the scriptures .... Where is Adam ??

If I have told you of matters which would benefit you spiritually and ye believe me not, how will you believe me if I tell you where Adam is? Time is precious so, I don't waste it casting my seeds on stony grounds.

babyfaceafrica:
what are this sins against the holy spirit if I may ask and please with bible verses cos I won to crosschecked them mysef..I don't take all that that is said on altar that does not have bible reference..thanks

Read in John16:12-15 and get back to me. Also, where Paul said "for we know in parts, but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away with."

SHUN THE PHARISEES!


THE DESIGNATION “PHARISEE” has become a conception containing nothing good, but signifying a combination of spiritual arrogance, hypocrisy, cunning and occasionally also malice.
Persons deserving this designation can be found everywhere today, in all countries and in every walk of life. This has nothing whatever to do with race or nation, and there are many more of them now than there ever were before. Every profession has its Pharisees, but they can still mostly be found where they could formerly be encountered at any time in great numbers – among the servants and representatives of the temples and churches!
And, strangely enough, wherever some messenger of the Light had to proclaim the Truth according to the Will of God, he was attacked, defiled, slandered and persecuted. This was done first and foremost by the representatives and servants of the prevailing religious dogmas who pretended to serve God, and by those who even had the effrontery to profess themselves as representatives of the Divine Will.
This has always been the case from the most primitive medicine man and sorcerer up to the highest priests. Without exception they always felt themselves menaced by the Truth, and thus either carried on a veiled agitation or quite openly made mischief against every person who was ordained, mercifully granted or sent by God to bring Light to these earthmen.
No denial of this irrefutable fact is of any avail, nor any perversion or glossing over, for world history gives proof of it! Clearly and distinctly it testifies to the ineffaceable fact that it has never been otherwise; among the many instances that have occurred there has not been a single exception. Always and ever again it was just the priests who were the most definite adversaries of the Light and thus enemies of God, Whose Will they did not want to observe. Instead they fought against the Will of God, and opposed it with their own volition.
Of what use was it when recognition sometimes came afterwards, but often not until it had become too late for many things!
On the contrary, this only proves that it was just the priests who were never in the position to recognise the Truth and the Light in time!
Recognition lay always and only with a few among the people, but not with the priests or those who made a pretence of recognising God purely on account of their profession.
And these few among the people clung to it firmly until later on the priests also considered it wiser to go along in their way so as not to lose the upper hand. The servants and representatives of a religion have never voluntarily and joyfully harboured a messenger from God. It is characteristic that neither such messengers nor the Son of God could issue from their ranks. And, strange to say, no person thinks about the fact that God Himself always declared His judgment in these matters and therewith clearly manifested His Will.
Experiences over many thousands of years confirm ever and always again that the priests were never capable of recognising Divine Truth, but in their conceit they always closed themselves to It, sometimes also because of fear or lazy comfort. This they also proved ever anew, because they constantly fought against every messenger from God with the vilest methods a man can use. There can be no dispute about it whatever; for past times themselves offer the most irrefutable evidence!
In every way, even with the Son of God! Nor was it love of humanity which drove the priests to this, but professional envy and nothing else! It was the Truth which disturbed them, because they have never yet faithfully taught the Truth – they themselves did not know It!
And, humanlike, they were much too weak to admit that there were many things they did not yet know, and that therefore they spread wrong opinions in some matters; nor were they capable of admitting this, for fear their authority might begin to wane!
Just delve into the history of the world and investigate it seriously, and you will find that it was never otherwise! But nobody has so far wanted to learn a lesson from it! Nobody takes it as a warning, because although it always remains basically the same this is continually appearing in a new form. Therefore, due once more to indolence, man imagines that just in his time it is different after all. But it is still the same today as it used to be. There is no difference now to what it was in the past. Nothing has changed therein, but if anything it has become worse!
Go and ask earnest people who serve the church, but who are nevertheless still courageous enough openly to confess their inner stirrings, people who do not shrink from being honest with themselves... they will all have to admit to you that even today the church would still want to make every person impossible, and carry on an agitation against him, if he is able to endanger the rigid dogmas supporting the churches! Even if Christ Jesus would now suddenly walk among them as a human being in the same way as before! If He did not agree that their conceptions were the only right way they would immediately treat Him as an enemy, and without any hesitation would again accuse Him of blasphemy! They would pelt Him with dirt, and be unsparing with their ugly slanders in the process!
That is how it is, and not otherwise! The reason for all this wrong-doing, however, is not the urge to honour Almighty God, but the struggle to influence men and acquire earthly power and wealth! —
But you men draw no beneficial consequences whatever for yourselves and for your seeking from these many facts, which are indeed so easily discernible in the disputes among all the churches. You thoughtlessly overlook it!
But do not imagine that God in His Holy Laws will thereby leave it at that for you! You will be roused suddenly and severely from this irresponsible indolence!
The second group of persons hostile to the Truth are the spiritually arrogant among those who do not belong to the clergy.
For one reason or another they are self-complacent. Perhaps one such person has gone through an inner experience in accordance with his nature, no matter what caused it. It need not always have been suffering. Sometimes it is also joy, some vision, or a celebration, in brief there are many incitements for it!
He then clings to this one-time experience which proved capable of moving him so much, not thinking that it very likely arose out of himself, and that it was therefore not a real experience at all. However, he quickly seeks to raise himself above his fellow-men with the self-comforting assertion: “I had my experience and so I know I am standing in the true recognition of God!”
The wretched man! A human spirit must have a thousandfold experiences if he really wishes to mature to a higher recognition! And such a spiritually indolent human spirit on earth, who holds himself in high esteem, clings fast as if in a shrine to one single experience within himself and does not strive to proceed further, because he believes that with this everything has already happened and that he has achieved enough for his life! The fools who act in such a manner will now come to the awakening; for they must realise that they were asleep!
It is all right when a person has once had an inner experience, but not enough is achieved with that alone. He must not stagnate there but unswervingly stride onwards – he must keep alert in spirit! On this path he would very soon realise that his experience was only a transition serving to awaken him to real recognition.
However, his spiritual arrogance only comes more than ever to the fore, and he fancies he is of greater worth than those who go another way and follow a different creed.
Onward, ever onward, must man proceed on his way through Creation, ever onward also in the recognition of everything he finds in Creation! He must never feel safe and bask in a single experience which came to him once. Onward, only onward, proceeding with all his strength! To remain stationary means to stay behind. And danger threatens those who stay behind. With ascent, however, the dangers always lie behind every human spirit and never in front of him – he should be aware of this!
Therefore calmly leave those people alone who seek so proudly to talk about themselves. Look at their actions, their manner, and you will quickly recognise what they are worth! There are very many who belong to this group. They are hollow fruit which have to be cast out; they no longer absorb anything, for in their conceit they imagine they already have everything. —
The third big group of useless ones comprises the visionaries and enthusiasts who, easily stirred over anything that is new, harm everything which is really good. They always want to conquer the world immediately, but quickly collapse inwardly when it comes to proving their strength through perseverance, in working upon themselves unceasingly!
They would sometimes be useful as stormers provided the resistance does not last long, and when it is a question of assailing their fellow-men – wishing to teach them without already possessing a firm basis for themselves! Fireworks which quickly begin to glow and soon fade away! They belong to the superficial ones who have no great value!
Next to this group comes still another comprising those persons who cannot abstain from adding their own thoughts to something they are given, so that through the opportunity to absorb one particle of truth they themselves can also achieve some distinction or other by spreading it! They cannot refrain from weaving their own opinions into what they have read or heard, and continuing to follow up everything just as it arises in their imagination.
Fortunately they are not very numerous, but they are all the more dangerous because they create and spread false doctrines out of one little grain of truth. Thus they are not only very harmful to themselves, but also to many of their fellow-men by the ever-changing form of their activities. Let us take a minor example which everybody knows about – the fanciful novels and stories. What is so wantonly achieved therein on the basis of seemingly small grains of truth or, to express it better, what do some people burdened with fantasy achieve therewith!
It cannot always be assumed that the reason is that the writer merely wants to make money by stimulating the diseased fantasies of his fellow-men, and offering them the most incredible stories in which they can revel with a shudder. In most cases the reason lies deeper. Such people principally wish to shine with their work and revelations. They wish to let their spirit flare up before others, thinking to provide further realms for investigation and to incite others to important work in this connection.
But what nonsense is often brought forth by this! Let us only consider a few of the fantastic accounts written and printed about the inhabitants of Mars! Every line shows the lack of comprehension regarding the Divine Laws in Creation! And in the end we are bound to include Mars in Creation as well as everything else!
Creatures are described which really spring forth from a diseased imagination, based on the belief that men there must be of quite a different shape to those here on earth because Mars is a different planet!
Enlightenment on such matters will come through learning to know the Laws of Creation. A knowledge of the Laws then opens up entirely different prospects, with exact foundations, to the scholars and technicians, and thus also brings about an entirely different kind of progress and success in every realm.
I have already said quite often that there is no reason whatever to think that something is different in Creation because it happens to be further from the earth or because it cannot be seen with the physical eyes. Creation has come into existence through uniform laws; it is equally uniform in its development, and is also maintained with the same uniformity. It is wrong to let a sickly imagination have a free run in these matters or even to heed it!
Every man of Subsequent Creation is in the likeness of the primordial images of God. Therefore throughout the entire Creation men bear only the one form, more or less ennobled and ordained for them as human beings. The form itself, however, can always be recognised, and cannot, for instance, have three legs or in general only one eye in the middle of the head, unless there is an occasional deformity, which only occurs in isolated cases. However, this does not contain anything fundamental!
That which does not bear the fundamental human form cannot be called “human” either! In its individual stages of development a spirit germ, for example, is not yet a human being, yet it would still not have such divergent forms as are described by the harmful fantasts!
In the realms of medium and fine gross matter of the darker and dark planes there can be found fantastic forms with human faces, forms which resemble animals and which always correspond with the manner in which a human spirit has thought and acted upon earth, but these forms are mostly produced only by the thinking of men. Periodically they bear the face of that person who produced them, because being the children of his thoughts they issue from him.
And when a person has become such that he continually indulges in hatred, envy and other evil passions, then it happens that outside the materiality of the earth a body of this kind forms around his spirit. With this occurrence, however, he has lost every claim to be human, and consequently he is no longer permitted to, nor can he bear any resemblance to the form of the likenesses of the images of God. In reality he is then no longer a human being, but has sunk down to something as yet unknown to earthmen, and for which they therefore still have no name. —
However, soon the false chimeras of the fantasts will no longer be spread, because the time is drawing near when the knowledge of the Laws of God in Creation will have advanced so far that such untrue things will disappear of their own accord. Men will laugh when they look back at the present time, which gives plain evidence of their ignorance in so many ways. —

babyfaceafrica:
pls if you want to get out your points ,do so without unnnecessary insults and ridicle...and please where did u get all this your facts?

Well, my apologies if that sounds insulting. It's rather ridiculous how people try to dwindle the greatness of the Almighty through their pseudo-knowledge. How can a sane human who while sleeping sees himself experiencing in other locations while his physical body is at rest in his bed imagine that man ceases to exist after physical death? Am sure he imagines that the origin of man is this gross material earth. It's pitiful cos none of them knows what spiritual consequences await them for holding on to such belief.
Do they even believe that man bears anything spiritual within him? Do they know what spirit means? Do they know why the Holy Spirit of God had to come first into Creation before every other thing including man which bears particle of the Spirit within him? Do these set of human beings know why they are able to think and even make free decisions?
Jesus said that sins committed against the Father and Son can be forgiven but that committed against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven! Instead of them to concern themselves with what this sins against the Holy Spirit are and why they cannot be forgiven, they are busy out there spreading their poison in the name of evangelism, adding to their guilts by spreading falsehood to the world. Religious fanatics! Earthly and irresponsible enthusiasts! Pharisees who look down on others thinking they know everything right and they are better than others! Indolent human beings! Modern day Pharisees!
It's annoying indeed!

CANTICLES:
You wrongly thought moses and Elijah went to heaven ... Oops wrong! Jesus states clearly: " NO MAN has ever been to heaven" Joh 3:13!

About their appearin to Jesus , didnt u read that what happen on that mountain was just a " VISION" matt 17:9 !!!
Saul make enquiry through a satanic medium and a witchcraft that promotes the lie that humans do not die ,a witchdoctor !!! NOT From God ...... Its a deceit from demons and thats why God himself banned the act of tryin to speak with the dead(ISAIAH 8:19,LEVITICUS 19:31 READ PLS)!! "dead knows nothin"Ecc9:5

My brother, even the gods themselves fight in vain against stupidity! But before I draw my curtain against you, I wish to enlighten you a little more, not to force you to believe it but to help you add still more to your already incurred guilts caused by the indolence of your spirit and ignorance.
Christ said no man hath ascended to Heaven except the Son of Man which came down from there.
Now get this, the Heaven Jesus refered to in that statement is the Abode of the Almighty Father which is not accessible to anyone except Those belonging there which are God the Father Himself, Jesus the Son, Imanuel the Holy Spirit. With this I wish to offer you a glimpse on the Order of Things both in the Divine and Spiritual Creation.
God as the Highest and Starting Point of all that exist is the Divine Unsubstantiate. To this belong God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Don't forget that I said "Divine Unsubstantiate"!
Follows downward after Him is the Divine Substantiality. To this belong the Queen of Heaven, the Archangels and the Elders.
Outside the Divine Spheres downwards are the Primordial Spiritual Creation. The first and original Creation to come into existence at God's decree "let there be light!". To this belong the eternal created Primordial Spirit Beings Who never descended to the earth.
Follows downward from the Primordial Spiritual Creation is the Spiritual Creation where the Human Spirits Paradise is situated, and where all human beings on earth started their journey as unconscious spirit seed down to the earth for the purpose of development, maturity and perfection in order to be able to after fulfilling their purpose, return home to where they came from as conscious human spirits.
This Paradise as the origin of man is where he should return if he passes in the Judgment of God and can never cross upwards to the Primordial Spiritual Creations nor into the Divine Spheres.
Downwards from this Spiritual Substantiality where the human spirits Paradise is situated follows the Ring of Animistic Substantiality, where the Elemental Beings, Nature Beings and finally, the souls of animals have their origin.
Below this Ring of Animistic Substantiality is the Ethereal Worlds, the Universe with the physical earth as a small part of It. With this I open the book of Creation before your eyes which you should learn so much and also gain so much if you are not completely spiritually dead.
In all these Planes of Creation operates the Will of God which manifest as the Adamantine and Incorruptible Laws such as: the Law of Reciprocal Action, the Law of Attraction of Homogeneous Species and the Law of Spiritual Gravitation +so many other Laws working silently.
If only you could think seriously you would know that the appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus on the mountain which you consider to be a mere vision is on your part of belief nothing but foolishness in the highest order. First of all, check in your English dictionary what the word "vision" implies.
I am induced to reveal this knowledge to you even though it seems already like casting pearl before swine.
Those whom Jesus said: "If I have told you of earthly things and ye believe me not, how will you believe me if I tell you of heavenly things?" were not in anyway worse than all of you clinging to Mr Russell's doctrine. They were all spiritually dead and could not even recognise the Son of God when He walked among them because they were void of all the abilities to comprehend spiritual things because of their (I know all mentality) just as you are today.
I only wish that God have mercy on you!
Byeeeeeeee.

@Canticles

My brother, even the gods themselves fight in vain against stupidity! But before I draw my curtain against you, I wish to enlighten you a little more, not to force you to believe it but to help you add still more to your already incurred guilts caused by the indolence of your spirit and ignorance.
Christ said no man hath ascended to Heaven except the Son of Man which came down from there.
Now get this, the Heaven Jesus refered to in that statement is the Abode of the Almighty Father which is not accessible to anyone except Those belonging there which are God the Father Himself, Jesus the Son, Imanuel the Holy Spirit. With this I wish to offer you a glimpse on the Order of Things both in the Divine and Spiritual Creation.
God as the Highest and Starting Point of all that exist is the Divine Unsubstantiate. To this belong God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Don't forget that I said "Divine Unsubstantiate"!
Follows downward after Him is the Divine Substantiality. To this belong the Queen of Heaven, the Archangels and the Elders.
Outside the Divine Spheres downwards are the Primordial Spiritual Creation. The first and original Creation to come into existence at God's decree "let there be light!". To this belong the eternal created Primordial Spirit Beings Who never descended to the earth.
Follows downward from the Primordial Spiritual Creation is the Spiritual Creation where the Human Spirits Paradise is situated, and where all human beings on earth started their journey as unconscious spirit seed down to the earth for the purpose of development, maturity and perfection in order to be able to after fulfilling their purpose, return home to where they came from as conscious human spirits.
This Paradise as the origin of man is where he should return if he passes in the Judgment of God and can never cross upwards to the Primordial Spiritual Creations nor into the Divine Spheres.
Downwards from this Spiritual Substantiality where the human spirits Paradise is situated follows the Ring of Animistic Substantiality, where the Elemental Beings, Nature Beings and finally, the souls of animals have their origin.
Below this Ring of Animistic Substantiality is the Ethereal Worlds, the Universe with the physical earth as a small part of It. With this I open the book of Creation before your eyes which you should learn so much and also gain so much if you are not completely spiritually dead.
In all these Planes of Creation operates the Will of God which manifest as the Adamantine and Incorruptible Laws such as: the Law of Reciprocal Action, the Law of Attraction of Homogeneous Species and the Law of Spiritual Gravitation +so many other Laws working silently.
If only you could think seriously you would know that the appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus on the mountain which you consider to be a mere vision is on your part of belief nothing but foolishness in the highest order. First of all, check in your English dictionary what the word "vision" implies.
I am induced to reveal this knowledge to you even though it seems already like casting pearl before swine.
Those whom Jesus said: "If I have told you of earthly things and ye believe me not, how will you believe me if I tell you of heavenly things?" were not in anyway worse than all of you clinging to Mr Russell's doctrine. They were all spiritually dead and could not even recognise the Son of God when He walked among them because they were void of all the abilities to comprehend spiritual things because of their (I know all mentality) just as you are today.
I only wish that God have mercy on you!
Byeeeeeeee.

CANTICLES:
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Scripture says " Christ DIED and came to life again" Rom 14:9 ..... 1) Is dis scripture lyin by sayin christ died , when he didnt ?

2) Can somone who never died , be said to come to life again ??

Again, scripture says, scripture says. Don't forget that one of the writers of the scriptures made a statement like: "For we know in parts, but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in parts shall be done away with!"
Jesus also said in John16:12-15 thus: I have yet other things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now; howbeit, when He the Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide you into all Truths and show you more things to come,....
Seek and ye shall find.

CANTICLES:
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Scripture says " Christ DIED and came to life again" Rom 14:9 ..... 1) Is dis scripture lyin by sayin christ died , when he didnt ?

2) Can somone who never died , be said to come to life again ??

Brother, when Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the mountain after many decades of their physical death before Christ came to earth, with Peter as witness, where did they come from since your religious belief has it that man ceases to exist after physical death? The bible also has it that Saul invoked the spirit of Samuel and he came forth, where did Samuel come from? Why have you people made yourselves cheap victims of Mr Russell's ignorance? Time is more than short and every seconds is far too precious to be wasted on false doctrine. Therefore awake and accept the sad Truth as It really is for your own good.

Jaybaba:
Dear Nairalanders,
No matter what we think or how we reason, the truth remains the same:
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There are so many other scriptures that point and agree on trinity, This one though speaks about God being Jesus himself.
But we must not confuse trinity to mean Three Gods in One like we were taught to believe as children. We now know today that it is One God in three manifestations, as God the Father and Creator of the Universe. As the Son of God who is the saviour and redeemer of the world. He also manifest today (the latter days as the Holy Spirit of God).

Take this Gospel and you will be blessed by it in the name of Jesus.

I quote you because you sound knowledgeable. Before the creation of Spiritual Substantiality, God was One! When this creation was to begin, God severed a Part of Himself and placed It at the boundary of the Divine facing the void in order to radiate light into it before God issued the decree "let there be light". With this act, God started acting in Two Folds. 1 God the Father in His Unsubstantiality and as the highest and starting point of all that exist down through Divine Realms. 2 God the Holy Spirit(Imanuel). The eternal Mediator between God and His work. The starting point of all that exist in Spiritual Creation down to the earth. At the time man as part of God's work sinned and was at the verge of destruction, out of love, God severed another Part of Himself, this time a Part of His Love and incarnated It in the body of flesh and blood in order to bring help to erring mankind in the word that He Himself was and is. Hence Jesus of Nazareth. Making the Holy Trinity. Jesus is the Inborn Son of God because He came directly from God and thus returned to Him after His mission of help. He is the Love of God. While the Holy Spirit is the Outborn Son of God because He remains permanently detached from God and yet directly connected to Him. Hence His name (Imanuel) cos He alone is with man in Creation and also why He is called the (Son of Man) meaning, that Son of God through Whom man came into existence. He is the Will and Justice of God. He is the one Jesus called the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, the Son of Man. His name is Imanuel!

Jaybaba:
Dear Nairalanders,
No matter what we think or how we reason, the truth remains the same:
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There are so many other scriptures that point and agree on trinity, This one though speaks about God being Jesus himself.
But we must not confuse trinity to mean Three Gods in One like we were taught to believe as children. We now know today that it is One God in three manifestations, as God the Father and Creator of the Universe. As the Son of God who is the saviour and redeemer of the world. He also manifest today (the latter days as the Holy Spirit of God).

Take this Gospel and you will be blessed by it in the name of Jesus.

I quote you because you sound knowledgeable. Before the creation of Spiritual Substantiality, God was One! When this creation was to begin, God severed a Part of Himself and placed It at the boundary of the Divine facing the void in order to radiate light into it before God issued the decree "let there be light". With this act, God started acting in Two Folds. 1 God the Father in His Unsubstantiality and as the highest and starting point of all that exist down through Divine Realms. 2 God the Holy Spirit(Imanuel). The eternal Mediator between God and His work. The starting point of all that exist in Spiritual Creation down to the earth. At the time man as part of God's work sinned and was at the verge of destruction, out of love, God severed another Part of Himself, this time a Part of His Love and incarnated It in the body of flesh and blood in order to bring help to erring mankind in the word that He Himself was and is. Hence Jesus of Nazareth. Making the Holy Trinity. Jesus is the Inborn Son of God because He came directly from God and thus returned to Him after His mission of help. He is the Love of God. While the Holy Spirit is the Outborn Son of God because He remains permanently detached from God and yet directly connected to Him. Hence His name (Imanuel) cos He alone is with man in Creation and also why He is called the (Son of Man) meaning, that Son of God through Whom man came into existence. He is the Will and Justice of God. He is the one Jesus called the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, the Son of Man. His name is Imanuel!

kelvinmuffins3:
I don't know but I think once you are dead, you have no communication or whatsoever with the living again.. Shekina

Yes! Because the so-called living has lost his spiritual senses, hence spiritual death! Walking corpse!

Jesusloveyou:
so u want to be drunk with ogogoro master,to lead u to hell.if jesus comes to u now,wil u accept him?,because u said,u prefer devil that is causing u sorry now,to jesus u don't know,because of 'd fear of d unknow' test all men,whether they are from God.give buhari chance,if he wil not prove u wrong.buhari 2015.

Sorry

CAPTIVATOR:
I know you have a serious problem answering that question . But I will give a clue

God said Adam will " RETURN to where he was taken" ! Gen 3:19 .... So where was Adam taken ?? Was he taken from heaven ??

My dear, you are in a sorry state. You gratefully embrace the doctrine of Russell without examining it with ur spirit nor ever seeking to know who Mr Russell was. Have you ever thought of why Mr Russell's grave, the founder of watch tower(jehova's witnesses) was made in a pyramid shape? I will tell u the lodge he was connected to in New York as a freemason before he protester of all Truths. His aims and mission ot watch tower. You are only victims of the most poisonous doctrines without first making findings before accepting it. Am happy that I've been able to impart on the life of so many of your members who are still spiritually alive. As for you, I suggest you don't wait for the too late.

CANTICLES:
God says they will "die" the day they ate that fruit !!! ....... So he cursed that " they will return to the ground from which they are taken" Gen 3:19 !!!

God said "the day" , when God says a day it = 1000 yrs ( 2pet 3:9) !!! Adam didnt use a day before God !!! He spent 930 years , during which he fulfilled the blessing of multiplyin on earth ........ After this " he died" !!! The curse of death reigns and he "returns to the ground, from which he was taken" Gen 3:19.

By claiming adam lives forever ....... A person automatically grace the devils lie that they "shall surely not die" Gen 3:4 !!! satan Is A Liar

DEPARTED THIS LIFE!


PERPLEXED AND LONELY, a soul stands in the chamber of death! Perplexed because the human being lying on the death-bed refused while on earth to believe in the continuity of life after the death of the physical body! He had therefore never seriously considered the matter and ridiculed all who spoke of it.
Confused, he looks around! He sees himself lying on his death-bed, sees people he knows standing about it weeping, hears the words they speak, and senses their grief as they lament his passing. He would like to laugh and call out that he is still alive! He does so, but is surprised to observe that they do not hear him. He calls again and again, louder and ever louder. The people do not hear it, but go on lamenting. Fear begins to arise within him, for he himself hears his own voice quite clearly, and is also distinctly aware of his own body.
Again he calls out in anguish, but nobody pays any attention to him! Weeping, they gaze upon the lifeless body, which he recognises as his own yet suddenly regards as something strange that is no longer part of him, for he now stands beside it in a body free from all the pain he had suffered up till then!
Now he lovingly calls the name of his wife who is kneeling beside the death-bed, but her weeping does not cease and there is no word or movement to show that she has heard him. In desperation he walks up to her and shakes her shoulder vigorously. She does not notice it. He does not know that he is only touching and shaking the ethereal body of his wife, not the physical one, and that the woman, who like him never gave a thought to the existence of anything beyond the physical body, therefore cannot feel his touch upon her ethereal body.
An unspeakable feeling of dread makes him shudder! A feeling of being utterly forsaken makes him so weak that he sinks to the floor and loses consciousness!
The sound of a voice he used to know gradually awakens him again. He sees the body he used on earth surrounded by flowers. He would like to fly away, but he finds it impossible to sever himself from this cold, lifeless body. He distinctly feels he is still connected to it. Again he hears the voice which awoke him from his slumber. It is his friend speaking to another person. They have each brought a wreath and are talking together while laying them down. No one else is in the room.
His friend! He wishes to attract his attention, also that of the other man; they were often welcome guests together in his home. He must tell them that strange as it may seem he is still alive, that he can still hear what they are saying! He calls out! But his friend calmly turns to his companion and goes on talking. But what he says gives him a shock! Is that his friend? Is that the way he talks about him now?
Petrified, he listens to the words of these people with whom he had so often drunk and laughed, and who only flattered him while sitting at his table enjoying the hospitality of his home!
They left and others came. How clearly he could now see through people! So many whom he had highly valued now filled him with disgust and anger, and several whom he had always disregarded he would like to shake hands with gratefully. But they neither heard nor sensed him, although he shrieked and raved at them to prove he was still alive!
In a great procession the body was carried to the grave. He sat astride the coffin! Embittered and desperate, he could now but laugh and laugh! But his laughter quickly gave way to deepest despondency, and a great feeling of desolation assailed him. He became tired and fell asleep.
When he awoke darkness surrounded him. How long he had been asleep he could not tell, but he felt that he could no longer be connected to his physical body, for he was free! But free in a strangely oppressive darkness!
He called out, but no sound came. He could not hear his own voice. He sank back groaning, and in so doing struck his head hard against a sharp stone. When after a long time he awoke once more there was still the same darkness, the same sinister silence. He wanted to jump up, but his limbs were heavy and refused to do their work. With all the strength born of fearful desperation he struggled to his feet, staggering and groping his way to and fro. He often fell down and injured himself, and bumped against corners and edges to right and left, but he was allowed no respite – for a strong urge drove him to grope onwards unceasingly and to seek. To seek! But what? His thinking was confused, tired and without hope. He was seeking something that he could not comprehend. He was seeking!
It drove him onward, ever onward, until he again sank down, only to rise once more and resume his wanderings. Years passed in this way, decades, till finally tears welled up in his eyes and sobs shook his breast and ... a thought arose in him, a petition, the outcry of a tired soul yearning for an end to this condition of dark hopelessness!
This outcry of utter despair and hopeless suffering, however, gave birth to the first thought of longing to escape from this condition. He tried to understand what had brought him to this terrible plight, and what had so cruelly forced him to wander in darkness. Around him he could feel nothing but stark rocks! Was this the earth, or perhaps after all the other world in which he had never been able to believe?
The other world! Then he must be physically dead and yet alive, if he could call this condition being alive! He found thinking the greatest difficulty. And so he groped onwards in his seeking. Again years passed. Oh, for a way out of this darkness! The wish grew into a powerful urge, which gave way to longing. Longing, however, is the purer intuition born out of the coarse urge, and out of this longing very timidly a prayer arose.
Finally this prayer of longing burst forth from him like a spring, and a feeling of soothing, comforting peace, humility and submission, entered his soul. When he arose to continue his wanderings he experienced a warm glow coursing through his body, for now twilight surrounded him and he could suddenly see!
Far away in the distance he recognised a light, like a torch that greeted him. Jubilantly he stretched forth his arms towards it, and filled with deep happiness he again sank down, his heart overflowing with gratitude, and gave thanks to Him Who had granted him this light! With renewed strength he then strode towards the light. It came no nearer to him, but after his experiences he still hoped to reach it even if it should take centuries. What had now happened to him might happen once again, and thus finally lead him out of this stony desert into a warmer and lighter region, if he humbly prayed for it!
“My God, help me in this!” broke forth from his hope-filled breast. And, what joy, he could again hear his own voice! Even though at first quite weak, still he could hear it! His happiness at this gave him new strength, and full of hope he again went forward.
Such is the story of the initial experiences of a soul in the Ethereal World! This soul could not be called bad, on earth he had even been considered very good. He had been the head of a large industrial establishment, always busy and meticulously concerned to comply with the mundane laws.
Let me add an explanation to this case! The man who in his life on earth refuses to acknowledge that there is also life after death, and that sooner or later he will be forced to render account for all that he has done and all that he has left undone, is blind and deaf when he one day has to pass over into the Ethereal World. Only during the days and weeks while he still remains connected with his discarded physical body will he be able partially to observe what goes on around him.
However, once he is free from his disintegrating physical body this possibility is lost to him! He no longer sees or hears anything. That, however, is not punishment, but quite natural, because he did not want to see or hear anything of the Ethereal World. His own will, which can quickly form ethereal matter corresponding to it, prevents his ethereal body from seeing as well as hearing until gradually a change takes place in his soul. Whether this takes years or decades, perhaps even centuries, is the concern of each individual. He can exercise his free will untrammelled. Help will only come to him when he himself longs for it. Not before! It will never be forced upon him!
The light which this soul greeted with such great joy when it started to see again was always there, but previously the soul was unable to see it. This light is also clearer and stronger than it appears at first sight to the hitherto blind soul. How the soul sees it, whether strong or weak, depends entirely on the condition of the soul itself. The light does not come closer of its own accord, but it is there! The soul can enjoy it at any time, if it humbly and earnestly wishes to do so.
However, what I am explaining here applies only to this particular kind of human soul. It does not necessarily apply to others. In the region of darkness and its planes there is no light. There it is impossible for him who advances inwardly to be able suddenly to see the light, for he must first be led out of the surroundings which hold him.
The condition of the soul depicted here may surely be called miserable, because it is filled with a great fear and is void of all hope, but it did not wish it otherwise. It now receives only what it forced upon itself. It had refused to believe in a conscious life after physical death. But the soul cannot abolish this continuation of life for itself, because it has no jurisdiction over it. It only builds for itself a barren ethereal plane, paralysing the senses of the ethereal body, so that it can neither see nor hear ethereally until ... the soul itself finally changes its attitude.
These are the souls which can be found by the million on earth today. Apart from the fact that they refuse all knowledge about God and eternity, they can still be called decent. The fate of the evil-minded is naturally much worse, but we shall not speak about them here, only about the so-called respectable people.
When it is said that God will stretch forth His Hand to help, this is done in the Word which He sends out to mankind, showing them how they can redeem themselves from the guilt in which they have become entangled. From the very beginning He has shown His Mercy in all the great possibilities placed freely at the disposal of human spirits in Creation. This is so overwhelming that the man of today cannot even conceive it because he never concerned himself with it seriously enough! Wherever he did, however, it was only as a pastime or for the purpose of vain self-aggrandisement!
The Grail Message.

CANTICLES:
God says they will "die" the day they ate that fruit !!! ....... So he cursed that " they will return to the ground from which they are taken" Gen 3:19 !!!

God said "the day" , when God says a day it = 1000 yrs ( 2pet 3:9) !!! Adam didnt use a day before God !!! He spent 930 years , during which he fulfilled the blessing of multiplyin on earth ........ After this " he died" !!! The curse of death reigns and he "returns to the ground, from which he was taken" Gen 3:19.

By claiming adam lives forever ....... A person automatically grace the devils lie that they "shall surely not die" Gen 3:4 !!! satan Is A Liar

You must be a jehova's witness. My advice to you is, run for your life! Man is a spirit! It is the spirit which animates the physical body and enables it to work and act. The physical body alone comes from the dust and must return there when the spirit in it is done with it while the spirit lives forever. The simple logic of your dream should teach you many lessons. There's nothing as harmful to man as your belief that man ceases to exist after physical death. Am going to post something for you to read and learn a lesson from there.

CANTICLES:
Stop Speakin like dat serpent in Eden, who was deceivin Eve that there is no such thing as death , Saying " You shall surely not die" - Gen 3:4 !!! THEY TRULY DIED AND BOTH RETURN TO WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN . !!!

When you become spiritually alive and then mature you will understand my assertion.

CAPTIVATOR:
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"the wages of sin is Death" rom 6:23 NOT eternal torture .

NO Normal Human will burn his child alive ....... And thats the reason God killed the cananites , the cananites burn their sons and daughters alive in the fire !!! Sooo bad ( Deu 12:31) !

Is God an hypocrite, who ban somtin YET do it on a large scale ? NO ! " such has never come into his heart" Jer 7:31 .

Pls, where is Adam ??

Again, I say to u. There's no fire burning in Hell but the torments in the regions of Darkness is almost worst than the burning of fire! Do not wish to experience it. For this reason the Author of the Grail Message admonishes: "Keep the hearth of your thoughts pure, by so doing you will bring peace and be happy!"
As for Adam, I hope u know that the bible primarily is a spiritual book? The story of Adam and Eve is an allegory which conveys the knowledge of how man started his journey from the Kingdom of God as unconscious spirit-seed or germ to a conscious human spirit on this Gross Material earth. It is like the parables of Jesus. The confusion there is because all the priests and scholars have always only tried to interpret it in an earthly sense. You can examine the Grail Message if you genuinely seek for the Truth behind that story. Be motivated to seek by the words of Christ in John16:12-15

Weah96:
Religions and churches are devoid of meaningful spirituality anyway. The real adversary is oneself, not some remote entity. We all have a combination of good and evil behaviors woven in our consciousness.

How do you think that the devil could drag Jesus up a mountain to tempt him? Granted it's a story but the implications are still there. Can you imagine a product tempting his omnipotent creator? Impossible. Unless they are the SAME person. Jesus took HIMSELF up the mountain and his mind was playing tricks on him, as it does with us all. There was no one else there.

You almost sounded like one that's close to the Truth. Jesus, the Living Word of God made flesh to dwell among men, was tempted by Lucifer himself because, with His acceptance to come to the earth out of love for erring mankind, He was made to be lower than even the angels. For that reason, the devil was able to tempt Him and afterwards put Him to death through those who made themselves willing tools for Lucifer. You said no one was there? Yes, you are right! No one was there because Lucifer can only be seen physically if he takes on the flesh as Jesus Himself did and be born by a woman which is impossible. He tempts man only through his intellect. He has only the power to tempt but has no such power to force anyone to fall in his temptation. What happened there was Jesus showing us that we are more powerful than him and can always resist him cos, with our flesh, we stand firmly anchored on Matter than him. You cannot stop the wind from blowing but you can always stand your ground!

Jesusloveyou:
u prefer devil to angel.u are not ready to be save.

If your imagined salvation lies in the hands of Buhari and Tinubu them, then u must be in a very sorry state.

CANTICLES:
Stop Speakin like dat serpent in Eden, who was deceivin Eve that there is no such thing as death , Saying " You shall surely not die" - Gen 3:4 !!! THEY TRULY DIED AND BOTH RETURN TO The Ground From WHich THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN . Gen 3:19!!! Thus returning to the condition they were before God creates them .

Why are u exposing ur utter ignorance? Do u know what the sin against the Holy Spirit is? When the bible says Adam and Eve died after eating the fruit, that does not in any way depict physical death, but spiritual death cos they lost the ability to commune with God through their intuition and also the ability to comprehend things of the spirit from the moment they ate of the fruit. Don't take that story too personal in an earthly sense because it is an allegory which serves to convey spiritual knowledge to man. That story alone interpretes so many things in a spiritual sense.

UncleSnr:
You mean, one won't burn forever?

All that you need is the Knowledge of God in His Justice and Love and your eyes will at last be opened to the sad TRUTH as It actually is. Not what churches have told you, cos they themselves don't know. Get a copy of the Grail Message and examine it. Do you know the TIME we are standing in now? The great Millennium is at the corner! Every second currently on earth is too precious to be wasted! If you are interested in examining the Grail Message let me know and I'll direct u on where to get a copy.

dhidden:
Strange country where politicians want to be in power first before they can contribute on how to solve any national problem. We have POWER HUNGRY POLITICIANS not PROBLEM SOLVING POLITICIANS. When they finally clinch power, they then occupy their minds with how to retain power by all means, even if it means embracing that same very thing they spoke against before they clinched power.

You are quite enlightened! Just laughing at these ignorant people blabbing about people they barely know. Neither Jonathan nor Buhari is the messiah. Buhari with his uncivilised mentality might even be the worse. I consider all of them claiming to have the solution to Nigeria's problems as enemies of the land. Cos if they were not, they would not wait until they assume power before they can share their ideas on solving the problems facing the country they are so passionate about. The simple truth is, they are the ones behind the problems and believe they will just order their boys to quit once their assume power.
They will never throughout their poor wretched existence smell Aso Rock! I can bet that with my life.

I really enjoy reading comments from the APC angels about the PDP devils. APC angels such as Tinubu, Oshomole, Okorochas, Amaechi, and all the aggrieved members of the PDP who are now members of the APC.
But what you people fail to know is that: THE DEVILS YOU KNOW ARE BETTER THAN THE ANGELS YOU DO NOT KNOW!
As for me, I prefer the devils and will stick with them.

JeffreyJamez:
Gbam!!...even the so called pastors know this,hence the different attrocities they commit, but their blinded followers just won't see this... as far as na "man of God " do am,it is OK.I pity them

Don't make yourselves cheap tools through whom Lucifer expresses himself. There's hell but the concept of it is what is lacking in people's mind. Your belief of no hell is like saying there is no Light nor Darkness. It is true that hell is not a place where fire burns as people assume. According to the Spiritual Laws, everything we think, speak and do take on forms in the spiritual worlds according to their nature. If they are good the forms they take on are beautiful and thus uplift the soul to the regions of Light. But if they are evil the forms they take on are like demons and thus drag the soul down to the regions of Darkness. Here, the Law of Attraction of Homogeneous Species comes to activity. If you were a murderer the Law leads you to that place in the regions of Darkness where those of your kind are, your duty there is to continue to fight, cut yourselves without rest. Even when you are tired you can't rest even in one second. It continues so for eternity and you can imagine that such a terrible situation is even worst than to be burnt by fire. The demons you created through your evil thoughts, words and deeds are tormenting you while fighting and cutting yourselves especially with the person you murdered. Seek for spiritual enlightenment and stop deceiving yourselves with religions and churches.

UncleSnr:
It is written that the evil people will burn in hell i.e. suffer for eternity, my question is that, will it make them become good, or undo the evil they have done?
What is the gain of burning them forever?

Yes, it does make them become good depending on their inner attitude towards the torments they face. It's same with those on earth going through difficulties, suffering and hardship. If they accept the fact that they themselves decided the fate and that they duly deserve it, truly, their past guilts are taken from them. But those who say why me?directly affirm that God is unjust by allowing them suffer an evil fate they don't deserve, in this way they incur more and more new evil fates. God alone is holy and just!

What shall it profit those who disobey the Will of God and decide to take the road that lead them to hell?

In reality, There's no such thing as death! If There's, only those who claim to be alive are indeed dead! Anyone who is truly alive on earth with his or her living spirit is able to see a departed person exactly as the person was while on earth. This does not mean that the seeing person is seeing with his or her physical eyes, but because the person's inner eyes have been opened for that purpose. One out of two people standing together can see a departed person while the other is unable to see. The so-called departed one is not really dead but like one who discards an old clothe that's no longer needed, so he discarded the physical body that was no longer able to produce a necessary harmonious cord out of illness, severe pain or over exploitation of the body, with the soul. There's no separation nor demarcation between the spiritual and physical world. It's only when man is spiritually dead that he lost the abilities to see and hear things from the spiritual worlds. Therefore, the departed one sees and hears everything from the earth, he talks to those still on earth but because of the spiritual death on the part of those still on earth, they lost the ability to see and hear them while they call. Hence it is even those still on earth that are truly dead. Better to die physically than to die spiritually. The moment anyone believes that both visible and invisible worlds are indivisibly one, then marks the beginning of the awakening of that person's spirit! After the physical body, There's another body the spirit wears which comes very closer to the physical body in resemblance. This is known as the (Astral body). This body is still very close to the physical body that's why those who have to descend into hell can still feel pain while in torments and the pain is more severe than what the gross material body feels. This requires a very broad explanation if anyone of you must come closer to the concept and understanding and finally, the recognition of spiritual happenings.

Infomizer:
Why do you think I need to stand firm in creation?

That was a mistake, sorry. You need nothing more than the belief that Jesus came to die and His blood washed off your sins. Those with the belief are first class citizens, they need no further ado. Congrats.

ogoamaka99:
@frosbel
It is a high time you learn to mind your own biz rather than getting involved in other men biz. If you are a sincere Christan as you claim to be, you would use your time to write on thread that will edify instead of the antagonism you show against other ministers of GOD. To say you are right and others wrong is immaturity because in the long run it could be you that is wrong.
Look at what happened in 1 kings 17, concerning Elijah, if it is in today's world, won't you say that a minister of GOD who do what Elijah did is a false prophet?1Kgs 17:8 And the word of the Lord came unto him, saying,
1Kgs 17:9 Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.
1Kgs 17:10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink.
1Kgs 17:11 And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand.
1Kgs 17:12 And she said, As the Lord thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Kgs 17:13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Kgs 17:14 For thus saith the Lord God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the Lord sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Kgs 17:15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
1Kgs 17:16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake by Elijah.

Who are these ministers of God if one may ask? Why are you people deluding yourselves? Why don't you people seek for the Truth as It is and redeem yourselves than doing all these busy body in vain and false service, serving yourselves and thinking you are serving God? It's laughable!

The last prophet ever sent by God was prophet Muhammed! And that was because the Message of Christ did not penetrate deep to the people of Arabia. Anyone calling himself a prophet after prophet Muhammed is a false prophet! Having the ability to see or hear faintly spiritual things doesn't make anyone a prophet, they are clairvoyant or clairaudient. A prophet is one sent by God to deliver a Divine Message to a tribe or nation as the case may be. Jesus said: "in times like these, false prophets and teachers will spring forth to teach the people what their itching ears want to hear cos they shall no longer endure sound teachings". He didn't say (some false prophets) but false prophets! This means anyone that will appear and call himself a prophet is a false prophet!

JonesK:
Please I have an inquiry. I read this:

For the purpose of obtaining grace the immutable Laws of God lie in Creation, and it is only through strict adherence to them that grace can be received!

And I want to know how to adhere or submit to these immutable laws of creation. Any explanation you give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

You cannot submit to the Laws without first of all having to recognise them. With the knowledge of the Grail Message, you will recognise them all and by submitting to them, you will at last stand firmly and unshakeable in the wonderful Creation of ur God. Examine the Message keenly.
Best wishes!