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Omooba77:
Every organisation has its rules, laws and regulations sir, just as the Bible is for Doctrine, reproof and rebuke. Sir sentiment apart you belong to organisation you can follow their rules.

Even when the rules are not fair to one party?
Oga go and sleep.
If you claim to be a church, should you place rules that only place you in advantage? So after spending millions on a structure, I should abandon it because it is a "rule"? Isn't that taking advantage of others, something Christ warned you against?
Would you do that to someone?


This your weak defense of your thieving church isn't convincing anyone.

Go and sleep, RCCG spokesperson

A pastor won't ask people to sign an agreement to build a property on a piece of land that they will eventually forfeit if they leave the church.

That I'm sure of. That is FRAUD

Euouae:
Sigh...

Bros me sef I weak.
I thought I was the only one that saw that part.

The grace no longer comes from God. It is now Oyedepo's grace.

Yet we are supposed to believe these people aren't brainwashed and that these con men in suit aren't taking people for long rides.


It is no surprise why there won't be this kind of rebellion. Because the grace of Oyedepo.

Sigh

Omooba77:
Thanks sir, next time please check what form of agreement you are going to before dotting the line. It might save lots of problems in the future. God bless sir

Mumu,

What kind of fraudulent agreement will a supposed "church" make that will make you forfeit the property you build on a piece of land?

And you wonder why the president says you are lazy

Omooba77:
Thanks sir, God bless you, the Truth set free and honesty pays. You still slotted religion in here; you signed an agreement and attesting to all terms and conditions, not too long after, you are now claiming you are cheated (RCCG land matter), I guess you we all need to check your education and integrity.

I think you should apply the above to yourself.

If you think RCCG is being honest by encouraging people to build on their land and asking them to leave the land when they leave the church, then I have nothing but utter sympathy.

I just had to put that out there to remind you that I do not indulge simpletons. You are already establishing a pattern by claiming Liberia is a "sane clime" after telling us that you should build on a land that ultimately won't belong to you.
So I think it is your integrity that needs to be checked because you are not being honest in your assertion.

Please leave me a lone, this deranged mor0n. Do not quote me if you don't have anything sensible and tangible to discuss. I don't entertain foolishness and my tolerance for your id1ocy is reaching my elastic limit.

Omooba77:
You forget Canada, France, Liberia, too

Another daft post.

But coming from someone who thinks Liberia is part of the "sane" world, there is no need to respond. You obviously are too slow to get the drift of the argument.

It is a waste to try to make a case to someone who believes that when you build on RCCG land and leave thereafter, you should carry your house and go and leave the land.
There's no way I will ever make sense to this person.

Please don't respond. I am allergic to mor0nic intellect. Don't infect me with your intellectual handicap.

walexbiz:
Sir, you seems to be mixing things up just to justify your paymaster, anyway ta ni eleshishin o ba gbe leyin. You can check my post and you will realise that I was a pro Buhari until baba began to sing a different song contrary to the one he was singing before election.

There is no gain lying to ourselves, baba has tried his best but I think there are better young passionate Nigerians who can deliver us rather than sticking old men of analogue ideas in the digital world.

As most people have professed there is no country in the world where the youth don't engaged in social vices and Nigeria is not an exception. The only difference between Nigeria and developed Nations is that while the latter create a just and egalitarian societies that support hardworking men rather support the former support nepotism, Godfatherism and other anti-development vices.

These old men inclusive of the president in a sane clime should be in olds people home where they will be waiting on pamphlet as Gone too soon.

Please I do not appreciate your insults. I didn't address you in the first place so I don't understand why I have to have a "paymaster" simply because I don't agree with you.
You do not know me in any way, shape or form, yet you are forming keyboard intellectual and internet warrior. I don't care about your so-called political stance, because it does nothing for me. Focus on the topic and hand and stop beating about the bush with inanities.

The Nigerian youth is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt. Your argument reeks of my position. You don't know anything about me but you have gone to town that I must belong to a paylist of praise singers. It is your type that thinks that you can do better than what we have.
So I really don't have to waste my time trying to disprove of anything because I will only b appealing to the crass ignorance you havedisplayed.

Old people you say?
Please go through history, past and present, and tell us how many "old" people are presently at the helm of world affairs:
At the drop of a hat:

Malcolm Turnbull (Prime Minister of Australia)-63 years
Theresa May (Prime Minister of Britain)- 61 years
Angela Merkel (Chancellor of Germany)-63 years
Mariano Rajoy Brey (Prime Minister of Spain)-63 years
Donald Trump -71 years.

These are the present day world leaders who I didn't have to check the internet for.

At least according to you, these people in "sane climes" cannot be said to be youths, yet they are at the helm of affairs in these countries. If I did a lot more research, I would find more compelling cases to shut your nonsense logic about age and leadership.

If you don't have anything tangible to say to me, please face your front, and don't quote me. It's too early to be engaging foolish people in foolish talk this morning.

rusher14:
What is this one saying?

I was with you and your position till you decided to engage that nitwit.

This is a nitwit who decided to defend RCCG with the dullest excuse about land belonging to RCCG.


Please no harm meant but I think you won't get anywhere jaw-jacking with that fellow.


Please stick to your position. You have very valid points. Please learn to avoid people who won't use metrics and facts to argue, instead base their positions on sentiments. If Nigerian youths were as creative as some of these people say they are, we would obviously see a huge difference.

Please you are to smart to get involved with lazy people like the guy you are engaging.

PaChukwudi44:
Deuterenomy actually explains the tithe better.ro Deuterenomy we understand the following

1.Tithe was never money
2.Tithe was never paid monthly
3.Widows,orphans,starngers and levites were also required to benefit from tithe
4.The tither and his family were also required to eat of the tithe

GBAM!

Cromcruach91:
Education is expensive.

I focused on universities because that is where the argument happens.

But once you are running a private school, fees are going to be high.you have to pay teachers, overhead, buy equipment etc from the fees. No government support.

I went to a private, non religious primary school. Fees were very high, because the school paid teachers, provided exercise and textbooks and other materials, even gave us desks out of that money .(And no, my parents were not rich, plus it was back in the 1980's when economic situations was worse).

Govt schools pay low fees.See how badly equipped they are.and there is corruption on top matter

you still have not answered my question.

Please go back and answer why those primary and secondary schools owned by these churches are out of reach for even middle class families, and why the ones belonging to the missionaries were subsidized by the missionaries when they came to the point that it was affordable even to the poor.

I don't need to read all this mumbo jumbo.

You gave the impression that Primary and secondary schools owned by missionaries were cheap because they were subsidized by the churches. So if that is the case, explain why Christ the Redeemer's Primary School and Redeemers High School for instance have high fees

Please don't shift the goalposts on this one.

Cromcruach91:
Because most mission schools were not universites, and because funding a university is different from funding a secondary school.University salaries for lecturers are far higher than teachers in pry and sec schools.

One other thing...most Nigerian chruches set up by missions were expected to eventually become self funding. And that would have eventually meant increased fees, etc (which did not happen because govt took over most of them in the 1970's).

Plus these schools were for the most part selective....very selective re admission. The concept of every Nigerian kid going to school did not really take off till the 1970's (UPE).

Tithes, in my opinion (and in the abscence of available data on church finances)...cannot sponsor/subsidize educaiton at all. To do that...you would have to be colecting tithes in excess of N1 trillion per annum (all prosperity churches combined) AND I doubt they reach that much...and you would have to spend it all on universites...forget all the other branches of the church.

Universites are severely serious cash drains.

Except that some of these churches also have Secondary and Primary schools well beyond the reach of average Nigerians.

So what is your point?

npn001:
Please, how can an RCCG member, buy a land in Camp?... What are the processes to follow and the amount of money involved?

Thank you

so haven't you been reading?

your will have to fold your house and carry it on your head when you leave RCCG.

The land is not your own o.

You have been warned about buying RCCG land

GlobalGisting:
I am a Christian! And I knw that Christ never fleeced his disciples nor ever propagated prosperity gospel. Rather he taught us to give willingly for God loves a cheerful giver, to give not out of compulsion. Unlike what we see today. Malachi refered to a pre-Christian era, the death of Christ brought the law of which included tithe to an end. For a real teaching of the Bible Pls inbox me. Thanks

No need.

The fool will still probably not choose to understand even if you schooled him every day all day.

Acts 15: 5-10 :

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.

7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

They are still testing God by forcing us to obey Laws given to the Jews, when Christ has already set us free. This is coming from none other than Peter, when the issue of compulsory circumcision came up.

But these greedy ba$tards won't let us be.

RALPHOW:
Must you have land in the CAMP?
If you cannot meet the condition,
go and buy land and build outside the camp.

It's ignorant blockheads like these that make me boil with anger.

You don't see a sneaky attempt to make people forgo their property by saying the land doesn't belong to them?

alobright17:
member of RCCG. If you decide to leave, you can remove your house, but the land belongs to RCCG.

Remove the house go where

That's all the more proof that there is truth in what the pastor is saying.

I have heard my share of ridiculous things in this life, but the one where you are supposed to carry your house and leave the land for RCCG definitely ranks among the daftest things I have ever heard.

For one, why would I build a house on someone else's land? Isn't that a fraudulent way to acquire other people's property? Shouldn't the proper thing to do be to sell the land in line with the Land ?Use Act where the owner has the deed for like 99 years?

If this "worker" feels the best defence he can give for the church after obviously being compelled to do so is this rubbish where he thinks we are foolish little children, then he shouldn't have bothered. Some of us actually know better, despite what he thinks.

We all know it. RCCG is a business entity. All about the money. The land at redemption camp is for sale, irrespective of what this loafer tells us.

This topic will never see the light of day on the front page.

Because it doesn't have BBNaija, Davido/Wizkid, Tonto Dikeh, Pastor Adeboye lying about non-tithers going to hell, etc.

A very seminal and important lecture x-raying and diagnosing the problems of the almost moribund education sector will be an after thought.

Blind mods only know how to push rubbish to the front page about snakes and nudity,


Kudos Prof.

I believe you are a product of the good days when Universities were worth their salt. Nowadays it is thugs and criminals masking as ASUU activists who are only interested in their pockets.

Branzy:
Pep Guardiola �:

‘Premier League is harder to win than the Champions League’

Does anyone agree with Pep?

This table you are shaking. . .

We used to think

Win 6th
Draw 6th
Lose 6th

But now ordinary Burnley is just 2 points behind.

The kind and degree of uselessness that Arsenal personifies has not been revealed to flesh and blood.

No away point in 208 3 1/2 months in. But stüpid idiots like that wall gecko kokaneprodigy weedheadprodigy will want to troll other clubs.
Gogo shake sef go dey add mouth join.

Ibime:
Congratulations on Pep buying the league.

Last season with players.on more of an equal footing with other managers, he disgraced himself.

He is already asking for £50 million for Thiago of Bayern.
Last last his side will still concede the minimum 5 goals on aggregate while exiting the champions league quarter finals next season.

Bald fraud.

alBHAGDADI:
Those that have not given a penny to the needy are far better in God's eyes than those who gave but broke his commandment concerning giving.

Tell Freeze to get Christianity off his false doctrines, then we can talk.

Lol.

False doctrine you say?

Guy get off your high horse and stop disturbing us this morning with your needless rants.

Tell your bishop's and GOs that are more concerned with building their kingdoms here on earth and flaunting their possessions and calling it God's glory to stop their own false doctrines too before you talk about Freeze. Grow some balls and try questioning some of these chaff they are feeding you instead of mumuicly jumping on people with different opinions.

At least Freeze has an argument. You and your ilk thrive on abuses and insults and attacks on personality as your main stay.

And Adeboye skipped the part in Matt 23:23 where Christ was addressing Pharisees.

Adeboye wants to apply a message to the Pharisees to us.

The same Pharisees Christ had earlier described as a brood of vipers.

Maybe there are Pharisees out there today that still carry out the Jewish law. But I know Matt 23:23 is not for any believer.

Simple and short. You cannot be justified by the works of the Law.

This OP still can't get Freeze out of his mouth.

Instead of ignoring him you are unknowingly and inadvertently giving him more publicity.

All this lengthy write up with so much folly.

You haven't given a mite to anyone yet you type this crate of codswallop.

Everybody is struggling for front page topic. Added to the möronic mods too who push every stupïd post to said front page.By evening time it will be BB Naija rubbish that will flood the same front page.

hopefulLandlord:
if you don't pay tithe you go to hell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7C3VExeY6A

Honestly this pastor adebole is just a pure fraud.

Nothing more.

I am no saint but I should be a better contender for heaven than this con man using scaremongering tactics to coerce and fleece people out of their money

pstjoga:
This is my problem with so called Christians, you bring up matters concerning the church and will never see the muslims ask you to analyse their Islamic clerics or mosques. Christians that have commented and the initiators of this post, I am grossly disappointed in you.
When was the last time an atheist, Buddhist, traditionalist ask on this platform for your opinion about their beliefs?
Social media indeed is misleading us in an unusual manner.
Let him that have ears, let him hear!

Arrant garbage.
If you can't ask questions of your superiors, then you are no better than those religions you are indirectly shading and you are in a cult.

Even Paul had to call out Peter for his double standards. I'm sure if you were alive back then you would label Paul as insane.

Cromcruach91:
The person I originally quoted was saying that religion= underdevelopment. When I pointed out that underdevelopment is due to factors other than religion, he then brought up the character issues...which is a different matter from religion= underdevelopment.

That is why I accused him of moving the goalposts.

Plus our underdevelopment in this country has a lot to do with the idea that we can develop by just selling raw materials and importing stuff. It is a development model that does not work.

As for Christians not being of good character in this country....that is true...and that is another discussion for another day. I will add that all those countries that he mentioned that have no churches...are countries that also have lots of people of both good and bad character.

With due regard,
You still haven't gotten the true gist of the whole argument sir.

If Christians were just 10% sincere to their message, this country would be a lot better off.

It's not about the number of churches. It's about how true we are to obeying and reflecting Christ's message.
That's the underlying point I see.

He is partly right to question why we are so vast in churches but so backward and selfish. I would like you to admit that part before countering him with your points.

happinesssssssss:
More better than the other blood sucking religion well known all over the world.

And when has that become the issue?
Of what good is being a "better religion" ,according to you, when it can't affect anything around it?

I hate these morônic arguments. You haven't told us what your own religion contributes, instead your direct response is to abuse another.

Cromcruach91:
That has to do with character...which is a different question from what you originally raised..ie religion =underdevelopment.

Don't move the goalposts please...

With due respect, you have no argument

If religion cannot affect your character then it is worthless. Christ says "let your light so shine before men, so that they may see your good works and glorify your father in Heaven", meaning that there is no need for being a Christian just for the sake of it. Christ's message is supposed to positively affect your entire life.

With the amount of religiosity displayed in this country, we should be the best country the world. That is his point. And sadly, the reverse is the case.

Until that is proved to be so(I.e. the link between character and religion) then religion can be viewed as a problem since it is everywhere but obviously has no positive effect on us all.

airmark:
May 2017:



May 2018:
https://www.magiclanterngraphics.com/Detective-all-fours-with-magnifying-glass-clr.gif

You be geologist?

paxonel:
You know, we once saw some church members licking the spot daddy GO Adeboye parked his jeep and rolling on that floor in search for miracle after the car went away

Pls tell me you're joking or trolling.

@afrodoc2,
I remember in 2001 when Leeds reached the CL semi final and United crashed out earlier.

My friend who was schooling in the U.K. told me that Leeds fans started taunting United fans for that singular achievement. Forgetting that we won the competition just two years prior.

I also remember one tie at Elland in February 2000. The build to that tie started the friction Beckham had withFergie. Beckham missed training because his son was ill. It appeared that there was more to it. Beckham did not play that game and despite winning the game Leeds took us to the limit. I think it was Yorke who scored the decider. I was recovering from surgery and watched the game on a hospital bed.

Then there was the tie where Leeds effectively killed off our title hopes in 2004 with a 1-1 draw at OT. We were behind Arsenal having played a game more prior to the game. Alan Smith scored a quick equalizer for Leeds. They were fighting against relegation and ultimately went down at the end of the season and haven't returned to the premier league ever since

afrodoc2:
Nice one.
Do you know that whenever Leeds United loses a match (esp a big one) they show the scores at Old Trafford if we have a match going on. That is just so United fans can celebrate the Yorkshire club’s misery.
The rivalry is more than football. Rooted in a clash of styles as well as centuries of rivalry between the 2 regions.
Same way Liverpool is more than football.

Yes indeed.

Your post prompted me to do a research on the rivalry.
The rivalry was much more than what obtained on the pitch.
I started seeing things like "war of the roses". The rivalry has its roots in Manchester vs Yorkshire. Municipal rivalry: which one is better; similar to what would have been if a Lagos-Abuja rivalry existed. Just like the Liverpool rivalry.

It's a shame Leeds when belly-up. I think they were beginning to emerge as a force until they went bust.

I remember Rio's first game at Elland road after joining United. That game was highly anticipated and very feisty. Their fans celebrated their win like they had won the title. Apparently that transfer lit fires under their belly and beating us meant more to them than actually challenging for the title.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised that someone remembers that Leeds are top rivals to United.

obainojazz:
Do they read nairaland too?

Even his goalkeeper used to think he was a fraud.

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/225233/man-city-ederson-pep-guardiola-tweet/