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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:30am On May 27, 2018
Dalam0n:


I've told you that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You claim that God exist and you can NOT provide evidence for it, that is evidence that your God doesn't exist. You can't give what you don't have.

And you can't know what is unknowable despite its existence. I keep telling you to stop throwing this fallacy of yours around because it is ignorant and based on a false dichotomy. You never learn but keep thinking your comment is valid.

A typical example is that in the period of ignorance things like radiation, bacteria, viruses existed but could not be proven due to the levels of ignorance prevalent at that time but the lack of evidence for them did not mean they did not exist. They were always there.

The problem you fail to realise is that man has placed himself as the judge of what exists and what doe snot exist based on available evidence to him but that itself is a misnomer and clearly shows whenever scientists say THEY DISCOVERED anything. This shows that what they discovered had always been there but they just needed to convince themselves via evidence to themselves.

This is why I keep telling you that your argument from ignorance is simply silly. It clearly says there that it is AN IGNORANT ARGUMENT and this means that you the one using this argument is the one that is on the weak side based on being IGNORANT.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 6:55am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

1. You couldn't proof god exist to an agnostic since you always assert both atheists and theists should provide evidences for their claim. LoL

So where is the evidence for the claims of atheists? The OP claimed God doesn't exist but rather is a creation of the human mind. WHERE IS HIS EVIDENCE? Atheists made the first claim here so their evidence is very much demanded.

However, they themselves have placed me on a restriction by demanding from me evidence of something that does not exist to them. Does this not also mean that the evidence does not exist?

2. Where did I state being an atheist? Provide link.
3. Assuming I claimed to be an atheist, I have reverted to be a Buddhist. So proof ya god exist. Lol.

Show me evidence that you are now a Buddhist. Your claim requires proof. This is a faceless forum. Claims are a dime a dozen here.

I'm not an agnostic neither been an atheist. I just seek knowledge. Proof ya god exist.

Then you are confused!

Im not an atheist

So says an atheist.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:31am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

Let's agree I'm unintelligent like you stylishly & outrightly stating.

Substitute "DEFINITION" for "EXPLANATION"

Still wouldn't change my already declared position about you and your childish attempt to feign agnosticism when you clearly aren't one.

If you were an agnostic then this discussion would follow a different path based on the curiosity of the agnostic but your direction is pretty much predictable.

So DIRECTLY at your atheistic self I repeat,

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Nobody can ever eat his cake and have it. Its either you have the cake or you eat it. You have eaten yours.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:24am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

Go and sleep joor. Evidently, you're on drugs.

We are talking a, you're bringing b

Look up and see who is talking B while I am talking A
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:23am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

If god is beyond your scope of reason, how come do you expect me to believe all you have been typing?

I tell you I can't explain how y and x and suddenly I started explaining what I said I don't understand. If you're a rational human being, won't you question my explanations since my first premise was that I can't explain how y became x

Definition is different from explanation. Learn to read for sake of understanding.

Somebody is talking about definition and here you are talking about explanation.

Please show some intelligence.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:18am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

@bold

I give up. Butterfly, you could do better than typing the emboldened.

You fall my GP

You have never had a GP.

Demands are made and its up to whoever to respond to such demands or ignore them. Nobody is a robot to another who when they say give me, I then automatically give.

Think and grow some actual GP.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:18am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:

Why help you disprove something you claim exist?

Oga, proof god exist. I don't know if your god exist. Oyah you that know god exist should proof.

I'm not arguing about a non-existent god. My stance is "I don't know".

So pls, attend to my question

Ahh now you see your folly don't you?

In the same vein, why should anyone ask for evidence of something they claim does not exist. You and I know you are in the league of those who claim God does not exist and not in the agnostic league so trying to pretend to be an agnostic for sake of this proof is laughable and childish. I would only entertain such childishness if I was actually totally jobless and good thing I am not.

Tell your fellow atheists the same thing you just said above which is " why help me disprove something I claim exists"!

And let me add this one too

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Would it? grin
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:07am On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:


For the basis of this argument alone.


What if i say I don't know if "your" god exist. Can you proof to me that he exist since I'm not sure?

What are the yardstick you use to measure/connote god's existence?

For the basis of this argument alone what if I say God exists can you disprove his existence to me since I am sure?

What yardstick did you use to measure the non existence of a God who exists outside our realm bearing in mind that you are confined and limited to this realm.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:05am On May 27, 2018
sKeetz:


You want me to prove that a god you cannot define doesnt exist? You are more dumb than I give you credit for.

You want me to provide evidence to you that a God you already declared does not exist actually exists.

Its either you are dumber than I already thought or you do not even know what you are when it comes to not just atheistic confusion but also mental incapacitation.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:50pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


What do you man by beyond our universe? How have you demonstrated that there is something beyond the universe?



What has been revealed about God and where is this revelation? How do we objectively know that this revelation is from God? What was shwon to man and when and where was it shown? How do you access this realm of God to know that man's realm is limited compared to it?



How is man's definition limited?

Ogbeni define what God is and stop running all over the place and crying.

As expected!

So I will simply reiterate my earlier comment

This talk right here and now is not within the scope of capture for atheists so I expect you not to get the gist
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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:48pm On May 26, 2018
sKeetz:


You keep yapping about intelligence like you are some Albert Einstein whereas am yet to see any work credited to you. Your ability to twist logic and garnish it with a little english grammar doesn't make you intelligent- it only makes you insincere and cunning. You are only intelligent to people who cant reason for themself.

If you are done with your monologues it still doesn't add any iota of sense to your previous post and it surely wouldn't change my response already given.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:21pm On May 26, 2018
sKeetz:


You are such a clown grin grin

This your so called god is beyond human definition and scope of reasoning yet you know he exists and you know what he wants from you. Your evasive tactics and logic twisting is very childish.

Knowing what God wants and knowing that God exists is totally different from giving an accurate definition of him.

You should try and manifest some intelligence sometimes because if you felt they were the same or even remotely linked then I can loan you a few tons of intelligence from my reserves as a buffer.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:20pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


How then did you get to know this things? How did you get to know that God is beyond human scope of reasoning? Through your imaginations abi? If every definition given to God is human conjecture, then that makes God a human conjecture.

Ogbeni you've just shown that your God is nothing but human conjecture.

Smh and more smh.

Realm 1 (beyond our universe) ---- God

Realm 2 (within our universe) ----Man

Man attempts to define God while within his universe based on what is revealed at his level about God who is beyond his universe and he now assumes that what he has been shown is the totality of God despite being limited and confined to his realm.

If he assumes that his definition accurately captures who God is despite his very limitations and boundaries then it would be the same as a child in the womb assuming his perception of his womb environment is all there is despite knowing he is limited to the womb.

This talk right here and now is not within the scope of capture for atheists so I expect you not to get the gist. grin

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:02pm On May 26, 2018
Godpolymath:
No need arguing with you.

I am sure if majority of the people on earth believe on something so stupid and ridiculous ...you will keep shut about it

argumentum ad verecundiam. A huge fallacy and deductively invalid.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:00pm On May 26, 2018
sKeetz:


Before I say anything further, I want you to give me your definition of god cause god means different things to different people. Just do that for me, and then watch me disprove it.

Sorry to burst your bubble but God is beyond definition by the human mind because he is beyond our scope of reasoning. Any definition given to God now is simply human conjecture.

So if you can disprove this God I just talked about then fire away.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:58pm On May 26, 2018
cry cry

So painful to watch a human subject himself to such mental wreckage and devolve to even the extent of making goat sounds all because of a God he claims does not exist.

Life can be so cruel sha. Wetin I know sef.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:47pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:
All.this uselect cries because you'very been told to practice that which you preach.



Shout up thou resident hypocrite. Your hypocrisy is seriously making you unstable.



Your logic is totally ridiculous. I can falsely claim that something doesn't exist and be made to change my mind by provision of evidence. It's very simple. Lets assume you came into my house and tell me that you saw a 2 polar bears playing in my compound after which they ran into the bush and I tell you that you are lying because polar bears do not do not exist in Nigeria in the wild. We argued for a while and you left in anger because I mocked you and called you ctazy for suggesting that you saw polar bears in my compound and insisted that they do not exist in Nigeria as a whole. After a while you went out and captured them and brought the polar bears and presented to me as evidence. Does the fact that I say that they not exist mean that I do not demand evidence? Do you reason at all before spweing your nonsense?




I can tell you to practice what you preach and provide evidence for your assertions. I know liars and hypocrites truly dislike that. It makes them lose their minds. Show me they say is the words liars dislike most. You have said that people should always provide proof and evidence for their claims, you've been asked to do that which you've states and you've started crying that I have no right to tell you because I can not demand for evidence. The other day you were telling an atheist that Jesus loves him endlessly after knowing that he doesn't believe in the existence of Jesus. When then were you telling someone that Jesus loves him when you know that he does not believe in Jesus? Can you see how crazy you are? You know that a person clearly says that a thing doesn't exist but you still went ahead and told him that the thing loves him endlessly and when he tells you to provide evidence for your claim based on your assertions that people should always provide evidence and proof for their claims you begin to cry and wail that bla bla meh meh, baa baa.

As long as you keep telling me about the existence of something which I say doesn't exist and making claims about it, I'll continue to tell you to practice that which you preach and show the evidence and proof as you said people should always do. You can cotinue with your dance of shame.


When people cannot realise that they are already having mental issues its pathetic to watch.

The way their addiction and rage over a God they claim does not exist has led them to this mentally wrecked state is worth shedding a tear or two in pity. cry

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:43pm On May 26, 2018
Godpolymath:
Guy you are just going in circles,this arguement is senseless..A God that exist doesnt need humans to debate over it..

You are actually the one going in rabid circles as atheists.

A God who has already been declared and accepted as non existent by atheists such as you are should no longer be giving you cause for concern and tormenting your every second of life and most of all it would not require you to constantly find yourselves talking about him in such a daily boring and monotonous manner as if he existed.

Your mind should be blank about him by now because you say he does not exist.

I am sure the thoughts of suphjiisseaaas has never crossed your mind right? Do you know anything call suphjiisseaaas that exists? Have you seen one?

If that does not exist it then would explain why you have not ever thought about or talked about suphjiisseaaas, then that should explain to you how it is you have a problem with your demand for evidence of a God dilemma despite originally declaring so assuredly that he does not exist.

Hint*** Read this post again so you get the message

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:05pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


You see your madness abi? You are a shameless lair and your lies will continue to hurt you and make you unstable.

You said that people SHOULD ALWAYS PROVIDE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR THE CLAIMS THEY MAKE.

I only asked you to do that which you have asserted and you are crying.

Who is talking about juaairiirekkieo? What is that?

We are talking about Yahweh whom you claim exist as God and have made many claims about it.

All I have done so far is ask you to provide evidence and proof of this assertion in accordance to what you have stated that people should always provide proof and evidence for their claims.

Where is your evidence and your proof thou shameless and ridiculous hypocrite. All I've do e is asked you to PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, but as usual I know hypocrites always expect not to bw told to practice that which they preach. Once you tell them they loose it and start wailing and crying.


See how rabid you get and foam at the mouth over a God you have accepted does not exist. grin

They need to seriously call your mental health to question.

Let me break it down to your ignorant and deeply troubled mind.

YOU CANNOT DEMAND FOR EVIDENCE FOR THE NON EXISTENT!

Once you have a position that something does not exist then that removes you from those who seek evidence.

ONLY AGNOSTICS DEMAND EVIDENCE DUE TO THEIR UNCERTAINTIES.

You however are certain that God does not exist. This is as simply put as possible.

Are you an agnostic? Yes or no.

If Yes then you cease to be an atheist and has become a skeptic.

If No then you fall back to the above category and your demand nullifies itself for what does not exist cannot be provided as evidence to the one who declares its non existence for even when it is presented it would not be accepted or recognised simply because your very first premise states that IT DOES NOT EXIST.

You need to go back and receive lessons on logic because you have absolutely none of it.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 9:32pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


Ogbeni, shut up and stop this dance of shame. You claim people should always provide evidence and proof for their assertion. I am asking you to stop being a shameful hypocrite and practice what you preach.

Instead of practicing what you have been preaching you are here displaying your usual dance of shame.

You are a ridiculous hypocrite. Very few psychiatrist will want to touch your case.

When you have nothing tenable to say you take off on your usual epileptic rants in delusion.

You keep demanding proof for something you claim does not exist and you never pause to ask yourself if you are mentally alright.

How can you be telling me to show you a juaairiirekkieo you declared does not exist? Where will I get the juaairiirekkieo to show you so you believe it is a juaairiirekkieo when you already have no idea what it looks, feels and smells like because to you it does not exist?

Do you have the inability to even comprehend what it means to say something does not exist? undecided

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 9:28pm On May 26, 2018
sKeetz:


The failure to disprove something does not constitute proof of its existence.With no enduring evidence that a god exists, there is simply no reason to believe in a deity, even if it's not possible to irrefutably disprove his existence. You cannot disprove the existence of a pink unicorn, the tooth fairy or the Flying Spaghetti Monster- all these are ridiculous claims without evidence but yet impossible to disprove.


You lack basic knowledge of what you use to make arguments despite them being called a fallacy.

It is a fallacy to draw conclusions based precisely on ignorance, since this does not satisfactorily address issues of philosophic burden of proof.

Your false dichotomy excludes other options and shows how close minded you are with your argument from ignorance.

Simply saying absence of evidence is evidence of absence is silly and yes failure to disprove something can constitute its evidence for existence which itself is a logical fallacy same way a lack of evidence is said to be an evidence of absence. Both are logical fallacies which preclude other options such as the option that states that something can be unknowable and simply because it is unknowable does not make it non existent.

This brings me to the famous philosophical position which says " When a tree falls in the forest when there is nobody there does it make a noise"?.

I am sure if you give this thought you would see the many variables involved and not your usual one sided close minded atheistic positions.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Real Madrid vs Liverpool : UCL (3 - 1) On 26th May 2018 by butterflylion: 9:15pm On May 26, 2018
TonyeBarcanista:

Hahahhaha


Errm, who's the She on your DP?

Women will never allow you focus on politricks. I am sure if you ever get any position in politricks you would be ruled by the images of women.
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:52pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


The day people like you that subscribe to that belief stop talking about the existence of Yahweh is the day I'll stop talking about that idea.

You keep insisting that Yahweh exist and I it is only logical and reasonable that I ask you to prove your assertions. Remember you are on record to have said that people should always provide evidence ando proof from heir claims. It is what you have asserted Tha I am asking you to do. Practice what you preach thou shameless hypocrite. Where is your evidence and proof to show that Yahweh isn't an idea that exist inside your head?

Hypocrisy is very dangerous and also very unhealthy.

Lmao

See how pathetically myopic you sound.

So my claim online or someone's claim on the street somehow has the ability to rub you the wrong way and forces you to begin to lament over a being you already convinced yourself does not exist and brings him Into existence so much so you begin asking for evidence for that which to you originally never existed grin cheesy

A psychiatrist would have his hands full with the sorts of you.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:49pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


According to you and your lies abi?

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You can NOT give what you don't have. The absence of 1 billion dollars in your account is the evidence that you don't have 1 billion dollars in your account regardless of how you keep yapping that you have a billion dollars in your account. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Dude I wish you would learn to actually read the tripe you so love to write

I can tell you that I have 1 billion dollars and cannot be compelled to show you evidence of that. Are you the CBN or my auditors?

If I have it, I have it and if you choose not to believe I have it because I refused to show you evidence for it then that is your cup of tea. This is why I said, " if you know, you know"!

Stop throwing fallacy of informal logic around and being proud of your error. When you argue from ignorance its simply a very weak position being shown by you.

Stop being ignorant!

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:08pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


It is based on YOUR God claims that me as an atheist say that your God does not exist, so why don't you provide evidence to show that your God exist. Your God does not exist simply on the basis that you haven't provided any evidence to show that it does. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence and what can be asserted without evidence deserves to be dismissed without evidence.

Absence of evidence is simply absence of evidence but is not in any way evidence of absence.

If you know, you know!

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:06pm On May 26, 2018
Dalam0n:


Instead of proving that Yahweh exist you are here crying up and down.

When will you ever stop talking about a God you already accepted does not exist?

How can you still be asking for proof of the existence of God despite declaring he does not exist?

Confusion is not a healthy thing you know.

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 7:27pm On May 26, 2018
sKeetz:


The burden of proof is on you miss. If I came to you and say that I had a magical bean that can grow and reach the heavens, it's left for me to prove it.

Extra ordinary claims needs extra ordinary evidence.


The burden of proof is on whoever makes any claim.

Claims can be negative or positive and both claims are arrived at based on knowledge. Nobody can say God does not exist or God exists without being first convinced of this assertion based on knowledge or are atheists now FAITH DRIVEN? grin

Any atheist who declares that God does not exist should know that just as you said, " extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence".

Where is the evidence of the atheist which supports his knowledge based claim?

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Religion / Re: Man Sentence To Death For Farting In Mosque. by butterflylion: 5:33pm On May 26, 2018
Fart of death grin

But seriously Islam is amazingly dumb if even a judge who is supposed to be enlightened could not see that the accused had a medical condition and never would have deliberately farted himself to death by execution. cheesy

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 4:28pm On May 26, 2018
winner01:
Na so Dalaman be o, He can shift anything anywhere grin

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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 4:24pm On May 26, 2018
winner01:
Simply give examples of such threads, why is this so hard? Are you okay?

He mentioned that you have created threads in defence of Yahweh and when you asked him to show you those threads he shifted to POSTS you have made directed at him grin

I can't stop laughing here. See kangaroo hopping around aimlessly. cheesy

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Religion / Re: Proof That Religion Is A Man-made Device And Why It Is Outdated by butterflylion: 11:01am On May 26, 2018
Melvyn11:

If god supposedly inspired man
to write the bible, why are there so many
flaws, errors, inconsistency and contradictions
throughout the book?

There are no errors and inconsistencies. I don't think you read my first comment to you where I addressed this and understood it. Either that or you have no idea what you are even on about.

[s]By deductive reasoning it
can be only concluded that thebible with its
flaws, errors, inconsistencies and
shortcomings, is exactly the kind of book that
is expected to be produced by primitive humans
in an effort to provide an explanation to the
questions that they could not have known the
answers to, such as:
[/s]

- Why and how was the universe created?

Science called it the big bang which was a by product of an immense energy burst which caused the inflation from a singularity. (A singularity they have no idea what it was, what it contained and why it was even there to begin with.

The bible says that God SAID or God created the universe. Both scenarios speak of a beginning. One talks about a source with certainty while the other also talks about a source but mixed with uncertainty.

Science strives and is still striving to unravel this uncertainty. The bible simply States its position of certainty. How the universe was created shouldn't be our concern because even if we knew how, we still wouldn't be able to create any universe of our own with that information. Regarding why, if we ever find life elsewhere beyond earth then we would know WHY NOT.



- Why and how was life created?

This brings that famous question to mind. "What came first? The chicken or the egg"? If we say the egg, then where did the raw materials needed for the egg to be what it is come from? Was it preexisting?

If we say the chicken, then that means the egg had its raw materials made available first prior to its existence.

This second position would justify the scientific law of causality. Nothing in our existence can come out of nothing and every effect has A FIRST cause.


- Why is man the most intelligent of all the
species?

Why hasn't science been able to answer this question? The bible clearly told us why. God said and let's make man IN OUR IMAGE and after OUR LIKENESS.

God is intelligent obviously, creative, loves , adores, etc and this also justifies the law of causality.


- What is the meaning and purpose of the
life?

Again why hasn't science been able to unravel this mystery to you? I thought they would have done so for you by now. grin

I know my purpose and the meaning of life as given to me by God through his spirit. You should discover yours.

The portrayal of god is not even consistent
throughout the bible itself. The old testament
portrays a vindictive, angry, vengeful deity to
whom sacrifices and offerings are brought

God remains the same. He wasn't vindictive or any of those things you mentioned. He was simply a teacher laying foundations for proper learning.

The old testament is declared by the bible as a shadow of things to come and when Jesus came he is now regarded as THE REALITY of that shadow. So for God to give clear understanding of his lessons being taught, he needed reference points for sake of comparison and those reference points are the comparisons between the old and the new testaments. Based on this comparison we are now to choose which we prefer, JUDGEMENT OR GRACE. HEAVEN OR HELL.

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