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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:30am On May 27, 2018 |
Dalam0n: And you can't know what is unknowable despite its existence. I keep telling you to stop throwing this fallacy of yours around because it is ignorant and based on a false dichotomy. You never learn but keep thinking your comment is valid. A typical example is that in the period of ignorance things like radiation, bacteria, viruses existed but could not be proven due to the levels of ignorance prevalent at that time but the lack of evidence for them did not mean they did not exist. They were always there. The problem you fail to realise is that man has placed himself as the judge of what exists and what doe snot exist based on available evidence to him but that itself is a misnomer and clearly shows whenever scientists say THEY DISCOVERED anything. This shows that what they discovered had always been there but they just needed to convince themselves via evidence to themselves. This is why I keep telling you that your argument from ignorance is simply silly. It clearly says there that it is AN IGNORANT ARGUMENT and this means that you the one using this argument is the one that is on the weak side based on being IGNORANT. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 6:55am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: So where is the evidence for the claims of atheists? The OP claimed God doesn't exist but rather is a creation of the human mind. WHERE IS HIS EVIDENCE? Atheists made the first claim here so their evidence is very much demanded. However, they themselves have placed me on a restriction by demanding from me evidence of something that does not exist to them. Does this not also mean that the evidence does not exist? 2. Where did I state being an atheist? Provide link. Show me evidence that you are now a Buddhist. Your claim requires proof. This is a faceless forum. Claims are a dime a dozen here. I'm not an agnostic neither been an atheist. I just seek knowledge. Proof ya god exist. Then you are confused! Im not an atheist So says an atheist. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:31am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: Still wouldn't change my already declared position about you and your childish attempt to feign agnosticism when you clearly aren't one. If you were an agnostic then this discussion would follow a different path based on the curiosity of the agnostic but your direction is pretty much predictable. So DIRECTLY at your atheistic self I repeat, "Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"! Nobody can ever eat his cake and have it. Its either you have the cake or you eat it. You have eaten yours. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:24am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: Look up and see who is talking B while I am talking A |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:23am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: Definition is different from explanation. Learn to read for sake of understanding. Somebody is talking about definition and here you are talking about explanation. Please show some intelligence. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:18am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: You have never had a GP. Demands are made and its up to whoever to respond to such demands or ignore them. Nobody is a robot to another who when they say give me, I then automatically give. Think and grow some actual GP. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:18am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: Ahh now you see your folly don't you? In the same vein, why should anyone ask for evidence of something they claim does not exist. You and I know you are in the league of those who claim God does not exist and not in the agnostic league so trying to pretend to be an agnostic for sake of this proof is laughable and childish. I would only entertain such childishness if I was actually totally jobless and good thing I am not. Tell your fellow atheists the same thing you just said above which is " why help me disprove something I claim exists"! And let me add this one too "Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"! Would it? |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:07am On May 27, 2018 |
1stSonOfLucifer: For the basis of this argument alone what if I say God exists can you disprove his existence to me since I am sure? What yardstick did you use to measure the non existence of a God who exists outside our realm bearing in mind that you are confined and limited to this realm. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 12:05am On May 27, 2018 |
sKeetz: You want me to provide evidence to you that a God you already declared does not exist actually exists. Its either you are dumber than I already thought or you do not even know what you are when it comes to not just atheistic confusion but also mental incapacitation. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:50pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: As expected! So I will simply reiterate my earlier comment This talk right here and now is not within the scope of capture for atheists so I expect you not to get the gist. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:48pm On May 26, 2018 |
sKeetz: If you are done with your monologues it still doesn't add any iota of sense to your previous post and it surely wouldn't change my response already given. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:21pm On May 26, 2018 |
sKeetz: Knowing what God wants and knowing that God exists is totally different from giving an accurate definition of him. You should try and manifest some intelligence sometimes because if you felt they were the same or even remotely linked then I can loan you a few tons of intelligence from my reserves as a buffer. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:20pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Smh and more smh. Realm 1 (beyond our universe) ---- God Realm 2 (within our universe) ----Man Man attempts to define God while within his universe based on what is revealed at his level about God who is beyond his universe and he now assumes that what he has been shown is the totality of God despite being limited and confined to his realm. If he assumes that his definition accurately captures who God is despite his very limitations and boundaries then it would be the same as a child in the womb assuming his perception of his womb environment is all there is despite knowing he is limited to the womb. This talk right here and now is not within the scope of capture for atheists so I expect you not to get the gist. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:02pm On May 26, 2018 |
Godpolymath: argumentum ad verecundiam. A huge fallacy and deductively invalid. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 11:00pm On May 26, 2018 |
sKeetz: Sorry to burst your bubble but God is beyond definition by the human mind because he is beyond our scope of reasoning. Any definition given to God now is simply human conjecture. So if you can disprove this God I just talked about then fire away. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:58pm On May 26, 2018 |
So painful to watch a human subject himself to such mental wreckage and devolve to even the extent of making goat sounds all because of a God he claims does not exist. Life can be so cruel sha. Wetin I know sef. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:47pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: When people cannot realise that they are already having mental issues its pathetic to watch. The way their addiction and rage over a God they claim does not exist has led them to this mentally wrecked state is worth shedding a tear or two in pity. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:43pm On May 26, 2018 |
Godpolymath: You are actually the one going in rabid circles as atheists. A God who has already been declared and accepted as non existent by atheists such as you are should no longer be giving you cause for concern and tormenting your every second of life and most of all it would not require you to constantly find yourselves talking about him in such a daily boring and monotonous manner as if he existed. Your mind should be blank about him by now because you say he does not exist. I am sure the thoughts of suphjiisseaaas has never crossed your mind right? Do you know anything call suphjiisseaaas that exists? Have you seen one? If that does not exist it then would explain why you have not ever thought about or talked about suphjiisseaaas, then that should explain to you how it is you have a problem with your demand for evidence of a God dilemma despite originally declaring so assuredly that he does not exist. Hint*** Read this post again so you get the message 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 10:05pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: See how rabid you get and foam at the mouth over a God you have accepted does not exist. They need to seriously call your mental health to question. Let me break it down to your ignorant and deeply troubled mind. YOU CANNOT DEMAND FOR EVIDENCE FOR THE NON EXISTENT! Once you have a position that something does not exist then that removes you from those who seek evidence. ONLY AGNOSTICS DEMAND EVIDENCE DUE TO THEIR UNCERTAINTIES. You however are certain that God does not exist. This is as simply put as possible. Are you an agnostic? Yes or no. If Yes then you cease to be an atheist and has become a skeptic. If No then you fall back to the above category and your demand nullifies itself for what does not exist cannot be provided as evidence to the one who declares its non existence for even when it is presented it would not be accepted or recognised simply because your very first premise states that IT DOES NOT EXIST. You need to go back and receive lessons on logic because you have absolutely none of it. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 9:32pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: When you have nothing tenable to say you take off on your usual epileptic rants in delusion. You keep demanding proof for something you claim does not exist and you never pause to ask yourself if you are mentally alright. How can you be telling me to show you a juaairiirekkieo you declared does not exist? Where will I get the juaairiirekkieo to show you so you believe it is a juaairiirekkieo when you already have no idea what it looks, feels and smells like because to you it does not exist? Do you have the inability to even comprehend what it means to say something does not exist? 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 9:28pm On May 26, 2018 |
sKeetz: You lack basic knowledge of what you use to make arguments despite them being called a fallacy. It is a fallacy to draw conclusions based precisely on ignorance, since this does not satisfactorily address issues of philosophic burden of proof. Your false dichotomy excludes other options and shows how close minded you are with your argument from ignorance. Simply saying absence of evidence is evidence of absence is silly and yes failure to disprove something can constitute its evidence for existence which itself is a logical fallacy same way a lack of evidence is said to be an evidence of absence. Both are logical fallacies which preclude other options such as the option that states that something can be unknowable and simply because it is unknowable does not make it non existent. This brings me to the famous philosophical position which says " When a tree falls in the forest when there is nobody there does it make a noise"?. I am sure if you give this thought you would see the many variables involved and not your usual one sided close minded atheistic positions. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Real Madrid vs Liverpool : UCL (3 - 1) On 26th May 2018 by butterflylion: 9:15pm On May 26, 2018 |
TonyeBarcanista: Women will never allow you focus on politricks. I am sure if you ever get any position in politricks you would be ruled by the images of women. |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:52pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Lmao See how pathetically myopic you sound. So my claim online or someone's claim on the street somehow has the ability to rub you the wrong way and forces you to begin to lament over a being you already convinced yourself does not exist and brings him Into existence so much so you begin asking for evidence for that which to you originally never existed A psychiatrist would have his hands full with the sorts of you. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:49pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Dude I wish you would learn to actually read the tripe you so love to write I can tell you that I have 1 billion dollars and cannot be compelled to show you evidence of that. Are you the CBN or my auditors? If I have it, I have it and if you choose not to believe I have it because I refused to show you evidence for it then that is your cup of tea. This is why I said, " if you know, you know"! Stop throwing fallacy of informal logic around and being proud of your error. When you argue from ignorance its simply a very weak position being shown by you. Stop being ignorant! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:08pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Absence of evidence is simply absence of evidence but is not in any way evidence of absence. If you know, you know! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 8:06pm On May 26, 2018 |
Dalam0n: When will you ever stop talking about a God you already accepted does not exist? How can you still be asking for proof of the existence of God despite declaring he does not exist? Confusion is not a healthy thing you know. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 7:27pm On May 26, 2018 |
sKeetz: The burden of proof is on whoever makes any claim. Claims can be negative or positive and both claims are arrived at based on knowledge. Nobody can say God does not exist or God exists without being first convinced of this assertion based on knowledge or are atheists now FAITH DRIVEN? Any atheist who declares that God does not exist should know that just as you said, " extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence". Where is the evidence of the atheist which supports his knowledge based claim? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Man Sentence To Death For Farting In Mosque. by butterflylion: 5:33pm On May 26, 2018 |
Fart of death But seriously Islam is amazingly dumb if even a judge who is supposed to be enlightened could not see that the accused had a medical condition and never would have deliberately farted himself to death by execution. 6 Likes |
Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 4:28pm On May 26, 2018 |
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Religion / Re: God Is An Atheist: What Theists Cant argue.Discover God's God by butterflylion: 4:24pm On May 26, 2018 |
winner01: He mentioned that you have created threads in defence of Yahweh and when you asked him to show you those threads he shifted to POSTS you have made directed at him I can't stop laughing here. See kangaroo hopping around aimlessly. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Proof That Religion Is A Man-made Device And Why It Is Outdated by butterflylion: 11:01am On May 26, 2018 |
Melvyn11: There are no errors and inconsistencies. I don't think you read my first comment to you where I addressed this and understood it. Either that or you have no idea what you are even on about. [s]By deductive reasoning it can be only concluded that thebible with its flaws, errors, inconsistencies and shortcomings, is exactly the kind of book that is expected to be produced by primitive humans in an effort to provide an explanation to the questions that they could not have known the answers to, such as: [/s] - Why and how was the universe created? Science called it the big bang which was a by product of an immense energy burst which caused the inflation from a singularity. (A singularity they have no idea what it was, what it contained and why it was even there to begin with. The bible says that God SAID or God created the universe. Both scenarios speak of a beginning. One talks about a source with certainty while the other also talks about a source but mixed with uncertainty. Science strives and is still striving to unravel this uncertainty. The bible simply States its position of certainty. How the universe was created shouldn't be our concern because even if we knew how, we still wouldn't be able to create any universe of our own with that information. Regarding why, if we ever find life elsewhere beyond earth then we would know WHY NOT. - Why and how was life created? This brings that famous question to mind. "What came first? The chicken or the egg"? If we say the egg, then where did the raw materials needed for the egg to be what it is come from? Was it preexisting? If we say the chicken, then that means the egg had its raw materials made available first prior to its existence. This second position would justify the scientific law of causality. Nothing in our existence can come out of nothing and every effect has A FIRST cause. - Why is man the most intelligent of all the Why hasn't science been able to answer this question? The bible clearly told us why. God said and let's make man IN OUR IMAGE and after OUR LIKENESS. God is intelligent obviously, creative, loves , adores, etc and this also justifies the law of causality. - What is the meaning and purpose of the Again why hasn't science been able to unravel this mystery to you? I thought they would have done so for you by now. I know my purpose and the meaning of life as given to me by God through his spirit. You should discover yours. The portrayal of god is not even consistent God remains the same. He wasn't vindictive or any of those things you mentioned. He was simply a teacher laying foundations for proper learning. The old testament is declared by the bible as a shadow of things to come and when Jesus came he is now regarded as THE REALITY of that shadow. So for God to give clear understanding of his lessons being taught, he needed reference points for sake of comparison and those reference points are the comparisons between the old and the new testaments. Based on this comparison we are now to choose which we prefer, JUDGEMENT OR GRACE. HEAVEN OR HELL. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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