Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 2:20am On Aug 20, 2025 |
MightySparrow: Nigeria's government is full of Muslims and the army also mostly Muslims killing for Allah. They prefer to sacrifice young officers to decimate people, terrifying others to accept Islam by force. Have you not watched soldiers making vital videos about generals abubakar, ibrahim, salisu etc betraying them to the hands of Boko Haram. Abeg Islam is a curse. You mean mujahidden? nigeria is a muslim country right? isn't there Christians in army? and quran say no compulsion in religion and whhy would they sacrifice young officer and these soldiers are traitors if that happen and they deserve death penatly I think all of this is bullcrap if this was true it doesn't represent islam and you literally imply nigeran government are enemies with boko haram and plus what abotu heaven liberation army from uganda |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 7:38pm On Jul 04, 2025 |
MightySparrow: Now the colonizers are no more. Islamists are everywhere through their Fúlàní foot soldiers making life unbearable, killing, maiming, chasing people out of farms, becoming dreads in marketplaces, shooting Allahu Akbar at the shot of guns, detonating of IEDs, beheading anywhere possible, in Yoruba land, your clerics have become nuisances, abusing rather than preaching, causing problems everywhere.
Is Islam a curse to their host communities? islam is not a curse and what did Islamic clerics abuse what? where nigerian army? as muslim part of Nigeria make alot of Nigerian army am I correct? and Nigeria should help north Nigerians though and these aren't islamists and what do they really gain from this? don't north nigeria have sharia law? what I'm saying it Nigerian government fault for not caring for north Nigerians and cmon you making nigeria sound like Iraq after USA exploitation and destruction and just because colonizers there doesn't mean it doesn't have it effects so nigeria should better the madrasas |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 6:52am On Jul 04, 2025 |
MightySparrow: I want a Nigeria where religion and religious bigotry is eradicated so we can join productive countries not where terrorists are exported. is that why you keep going to my posts? i hope this is not late but how is islam the fault of those terrorists it the colonizers for making country poorer and we should better the madrasas as those terrorists can be christian or muslim that can be more of them if bad situation like droughts |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses by CaliphMJ: 10:37pm On Apr 26, 2025 |
also sahih muslim 4112 i checked and you lied and it 3901 does not mean it racist you do realized what prophet muhammad pbuh traded for was a muslim right? it not racist |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 10:33pm On Apr 26, 2025 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 10:32pm On Apr 26, 2025 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 11:00pm On Apr 06, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24: Without lies, Islam dies! 🙃 without ignorance, Christians and hindus won't exist |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 10:03pm On Apr 03, 2025 |
ItShallPass: Lies and deception does not befit the majesty of anybody. A god who lies and deceives has no majesty.
Can you see how Allah the deceiver is working through you to deceive the world by quoting the scriptures upside down ?
And your Lord is a great deceiver also what is that counter argument even if you can called it that you argument is basically nuh uh allah is deceiver therefore bad and you literally justifying it lol "“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’" didn't you say god cant deceive so he have to hire someone? like that still deceiving by that logic im not bad if i sent a guy to murder someone i didn't kill him and for isaiah 37 baseless and god make him to listen the report Listen! When he hears a certain report, I will make him want to return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 9:56pm On Apr 03, 2025 |
ItShallPass: Lies and deception does not befit the majesty of anybody. A god who lies and deceives has no majesty.
Can you see how Allah the deceiver is working through you to deceive the world by quoting the scriptures upside down ?
And your Lord is a great deceiver first allah swt does deceives but he is just ٱلْعَدْلُ Al-‘Adl The Utterly Just and most merciful and who are you say that it doesnt befit? you are cleary ignorant in the verse they deceives but allah swt deceives back and how would prophet jesus pbuh would return if allah swt haven't did that? allah swt save prophet jesus pbuh like do you genuinely read the verses surah 3:54? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Punishment For Leaving Islam: Why Muslims Are Scared by CaliphMJ: 9:51pm On Apr 03, 2025 |
Im gonna debunk this (Defending islam) Greenholics: The majority of scholars in Islam stand for the punishment of an apostate. The following key passage in the Qur'an is used: ‘But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks; except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people (Sura 4:89-90). Other passages are used with an interpretation to punish apostates: 2:217; 3:72,90; 4:137; 5:54; 16:106.
Since the Qur’an does not have many aspects of religion in detail, Muslims follow what Muhammad said and did. For example, the Qur’an states to establish prayer however it is in the traditions (Ahadith/Sunnah) that Muslims find the number and methodology of prayer. According to the Qur’an what Muhammad say or do has to be followed: ‘Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah.’ (Qur’an4:80).
The most reputed Hadith conveying the death penalty was reported by Ibn Abbas that Muhammad said: “Whoever renounces his religion, kill him.” (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260). This statement has been related in the following collections. {Sahih Al-Bukhari, “Bab Hukm al Murtad wa al Murtadah”, Vol. 8, pp. 50, 163; Al Muwata’, “Kitab al Hudud”, Vol. 2, p. 736; Sunan Al Tirmidhi, “Kitab al Hudud”, Vol. 4, p. 48; Sunan Abi Daud, ‘Kitab al Hudud”, Vol. 4, p. 126; Sunan Ibn Majah, “Kitab al Hudud” Vol. 2, p. 848; Sunan AL Nasaee “Al Hukm fi al Murtad”, Vol. 7, pp. 103-104; Al Musnad, “Musnad ‘Abd Allah b. ‘Abbas”, Vol. 1, pp. 466, 605, 606, 691; Sunan Al Daraqutni, “Kitab al Hudud”, Vol. 3, p. 113}
al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) states: "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head. Also Al Hakim reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas that the Prophet Muhammad said: “ The Muslim who converts his religion, kill him. If the person says: {there is no god but God and that Muhammad is His Messenger}, then you have no right to punish him except for the crime he commits.”(Al Mustudrak, “Kitab al Hudud”, Vol. 4, p.366). All schools of thoughts among the Sunni and Shia agree for the punishment of an apostate except some disagreement on detail of prescription:
Hanafi - recommends three days of imprisonment before execution, although the delay before killing the Muslim apostate is not mandatory. Apostates who are men must be killed, states the Hanafi Sunni fiqh, while women must be held in solitary confinement and beaten every three days till they recant and return to Islam.
Maliki - allows up to ten days for recantation, after which the apostate must be killed. Both men and women apostates deserve death penalty according to the traditional view of Sunni Maliki fiqh.
Shafi'i - waiting period of three days is required to allow the Muslim apostate to repent and return to Islam. After the wait, execution is the traditional recommended punishment for both men and women apostates.
Hanbali - waiting period not necessary, but may be granted. Execution is traditional recommended punishment for both genders of Muslim apostates.
Ja'fari - waiting period not necessary, but may be granted according to this Shia fiqh. Male apostate must be executed, states the Ja’fari fiqh, while a female apostate must be held in solitary confinement and beaten every day at the hours of the salah, prayers, , till she repents and returns to Islam.
Ahmad Ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 769/1368) in his works on Imam Shafi’s jurisprudence, namely ‘Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: ‘Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst…When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasies from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory…to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed' (The Reliance of the Traveller, Tr. Noah Ha Mim Keller, Dubai, Modern Printing Press (1988)..
Hizb at-Tahrir (HT) an Islamic group that has taken up re-establishment of Khilafah as its core mission, in a draft constitution (dustoor), proposed by its founder/leader Taqiuddin al-Nabhani and adopted by HT states in Article 7c:
“Those who are guilty of apostasy (murtad) from Islam are to be executed according to the rule of apostasy, provided they have themselves renounced Islam.” (Taqiuddin al-Nabahani.
“The System of Islam,” Hizbut Tahrir, p. 116, also on line: http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/PDF/EN/en_books_pdf/system_of_islam.pdf).
One of the most dangerous issue the West is facing is the ‘2 faces of Islam.’ On one hand Muslims tell us there is no compulsion in their religion (http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=Gz9HCK) and yet on the other they tell among themselves to clear up apostasy from among them. (See: Qardawi: http://www.islamonline.net/English/contemporary/200 gonna debunk first quran verses dont have anything to do with apostasy you "list" about of hadiths that you cleary copied from jesustomuslim and oh yea page? and volume? you copied off ignorant apologist site lol anyways next part and imam malik part is out of context here full story quranexplorer.com/hadithebook/english/Hadith/malik/036.036.018.015.html [b]The meaning of the statement of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, in our opinion and Allah knows best, is that "if someone changes his deen, strike his neck!" refers to those who leave Islam for other than it - like the heretics and their like, about whom it is known. They are killed without being called to tawba because their tawba is not recognised. They were hiding their kufr and publishing their Islam, so I do not think that one calls such people to tawba, and one does not accept their word. As for the one who goes out of Islam to something else and divulges it, one calls him to tawba. If he does not turn in tawba, he is killed. If there are people in that situation, I think that one should call them to Islam and call them to tawba. If they turn in tawba, that is accepted from them. If they do not turn in tawba, they are killed. That does not refer as we see it, and Allah knows best, to those who come out of Judaism to Christianity or from Christianity to Judaism, nor to someone who changes his deen from the various forms of deen except for Islam. Whoever comes out of Islam to other than it and divulges that, that is the one who is referred to, and Allah knows best![/b] also al mustadrak includes many weak and fabricated hadiths and portion of the book are hassan.sahih, good and rest is bizzare and also the quote is only referring to one guy islam.stackexchange.com/questions/35749/is-al-hakims-hadith-collection-al-mustadrak-reliable about the reliance of the traveler again out of context "if he apostatizes from islam and returns several times,(O: i.e. his return to islam, which occurs when he states the two testifications of faith (def: o8.7 (12)) ) is accepted from him, though he is disciplined and for HT part "Those who are guilty of apostasy (murtad) from Islam are to be executed[b] according to the rule of apostasy[/b], provided they have themselves renounced Islam. If they are born as non-Muslims, i.e., if they are the sons of apostates, then they are treated as non-Muslims according to their status as being either polytheists (mushriks) or People of the Book." also Article 6 All citizens of the State shall be treated equally regardless of religion, race, colour or any other matter. The State is forbidden to discriminate among its citizens in all matters, be it ruling or judicial, or caring of affairs. also need to debunk schools of thought as it baseless claims |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 1:03am On Mar 18, 2025 |
BetterHeadline: Does Islam condone slavery? Does Islamic teaching allow Muslim men to keep women as sex slaves? Islam neither ignores nor condemns slavery. In fact, a large part of the Sharia is dedicated to the practice.
Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle; he had sex with his slaves; and he instructed his men to do the same.
The Quran actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves (four) than it does to telling them to pray five times a day (zero).
Quran Quran (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" -This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restricted to four wives, but they may also have sex with any number of slaves, following the example of their prophet.
Quran (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." -This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Quran (70:29-30) . The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, sex slavery must be very important to him. He was relatively reticent on matters of human compassion and love.
Quran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Quran (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" -A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Quran (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." -Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (41.598) - Muhammad establishes that slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but they can be used to pay off the debt.
Sahih Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.
Sahih Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus. (Coitus interruptus is the act of having raw intercourse without ejaculating inside her sexual organ.)
Sahih Bukhari (47:765) - A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Sahih Bukhari (34:351) - Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
Sahih Bukhari (72:734) - Some contemporary Muslims in the West (where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime) are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari (52:255) - To discourage emancipation, Muhammad says that the slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven. This is better than freedom for both parties, as the master benefits from slave-labor free of consequence, and the slave has the promise of eternal reward over the temporal. In other words, it is better to be a slave to the Arabs than to be a free mankind because Allah will greatly reward us for the former.
Sahih Muslim 3371 - Muhammad and his men take captive " some excellent Arab women " from the Banu Mustaliq. Their dilemma then becomes that they want to rape the women, but they also want to 'ransom' them, knowing that their captives will be of less value if pregnant. When they ask Muhammad about coitus interruptus, their prophet tells them that it doesn't matter how they rape the women because " every soul will be born " anyway.
Sahih Muslim 3901 - Muhammad trades away two African slaves for one Muslim slave.
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his chauffeur.
Sahih Bukhari 9:91:368 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his butler.
Sahih Bukari 4:53:344 - Aisha learns that Muhammad has acquired slave girls as "booty" and asks for one as a maid.
Sahih Bukhari 7:65:344 - Muhammad kept a slave to acting as his tailor.
Sahih Bukhari 2:15:103 - "I was watching the display of black slaves in the mosque..."
Sahih Muslim 4345 - Narration of a military raid against a hapless tribe trying to reach their water hole. During the slaughter, the women and children attempt to flee, but are cut off and captured by the Muslims. This story refutes any misconception that Muhammad's sex slaves were taken by their own volition.
Sahih Muslim 4112 - A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free. (Even when a Muhammad follower realized in the end that slavery was wrong and decided to free his own slaves upon his death, Muhammad reversed his decision and kept the slaves to himself.)
Sahih Bukhari (47:743) - Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.
Sahih Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" -Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really "wives." This is because Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.
Abu Dawud (2150) - "The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Quran 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Quran. Not only does Allah give permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands. (See also Muslim 3432 & Ibn Kathir/Abdul Rahman Part 5 Page 14)
Abu Dawud (1814) - "... [Abu Bakr] He then began to beat [his slave] him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?" -The future first caliph of Islam is beating his slave for losing a camel while Muhammad looks on in apparent amusement.
Ibn Ishaq (734) - A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.
Abu Dawud 38:4458 - Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”. -A slave girl is ordered by Muhammad to be beaten until she bleeds, and then beaten again after the bleeding stops. He indicates that this is prescribed treatment for slaves ("those whom your right hand possesses".)
Abu Dawud 1:142 - "Do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl "
Sunan Nasai 2:12:1125 - Aisha said, "I noticed that the Messenger of Allah was missing from bed... I thought he had gone to one of his concubines" - Muhammad's wife thought that he had gone to one of his slaves for sex.
Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." -Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).
Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) - According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the mere fact of their capture. A captured woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled. This would not be necessary if she were widowed by battle, which is an imaginary stipulation that modern apologists sometimes pose.
Notes
Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.
Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Quran, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin. They limit the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33 ) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through taking and ransoming hostages, which began under Muhammad.
The taking of women and children as slaves, particularly during the conquests outside Arabia, belies the notion that Jihad was being waged in self-defense, since the enemy's families reside neither with the Muslims nor (generally) on the battlefield. These were innocent people captured from their homes and pressed into slavery by Muhammad's companions and successors.
Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although freeing a believing slave is said to increase the master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Quran (4:92 )). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment.
By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the abolishment of slavery. Abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West.
Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. It is a lie.
One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after the prophet of Islam died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense. He obviously did not agree with this.
Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqt included an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years without the least bit of moral objection from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars.
Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them.
Modern day apologists trying to defend slavery under Islam generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. They distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery.
The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanian scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans.
A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam are the many examples in which Muhammad and his companions sold captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence. Some contemporary apologists interpret sex slavery as a favor done to the subject - a way in which women and children are taken care of in exchange for their sexual availability to the pious Muslim male. Although morally repugnant in its own right, this is easily belied by the fact that slavery would be unnecessary if the arrangement were of benefit to the slave.
Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. In fact, it was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his aforementioned role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for import into the Middle East.
The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed. See Zanj Rebellion (http://libcom.org/library/zanj-slaves-rebellion-ad-869-883)
Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav.
Muslim slave raiders operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village: "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of an English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam).
The Indian and Persian people suffered greatly as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans are thought to have died en route. Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!
In 2003, a cleric in Saudi Arabia's highest religious body declared (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Al-Fawzan) , " Slavery is part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam. Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever say such thing is an infidel."
In 2011, Salwa Al-Mutairi, who is considered a women's rights activist in Kuwait, suggested (http://rt.com/news/activist-sex-sold-war/) that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery.
After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery, which included rules on sexually molesting children: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."
In 2016, a scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar, the most prestigious Islamic school in the Sunni world, stated (http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/egypts-al-azhar-professor-suad-saleh-rape-allowed-by-allah-islam-only-regulated-the-practice-makes-infidel-women-slaves-26321/) that non-Muslim women could be captured in a time of war become "property " and can be raped "in order to humiliate them."
A 12-year-old girl taken captive by the Islamic State explained that her 'master' would pray before he raped her: "He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to Allah." Other sex slaves have been forced to pray before the rape or recite passages from the Quran during. When a Yazidi woman begged a caliphate member not to rape a little girl, he responded , " She's a slave... and having sex with her pleases God."
In 2017, African slaves were freed from captivity in Libya, where their Arab masters not only raped and starved them, but forced them to drink from toilets.
As Uzy Bulut keenly observed, "A religion that encourages destructive rioting and killing over cartoons, but shows no sign of sorrow as little girls are sold and raped, does not have much to contribute to advancing civilization."
Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Quran, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Quran.
For futher reading: https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/slavery.aspx#hadith okay apparently i found out sahih muslim 4112 and 4345 exist i thought there sahih muslim didn't have that but i checked and you lied |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 1:49am On Mar 09, 2025 |
adecz: The man was obsessed with secs 👉👌 huh |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 1:49am On Mar 09, 2025 |
CorrectionFLuid: . Fact remains that Muhammad was humanity's vilest person in recorded history.
If you don't see this fact, then you don't see at all.
Nuff said. . no |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 3:18am On Feb 22, 2025 |
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Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 3:17am On Feb 22, 2025 |
dettolgel: Of course they will avoid this thread like plague and I am sure it will never see front page.
These guys are hypocrite. who |
Crime › Re: World Cup: 9 Nigerian Women Trafficked For Sexual Slavery Freed In Russia by CaliphMJ: 5:16pm On Jan 21, 2025 |
Sanchase: Afon
If you put anything after that na you sabi. huh |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 5:16pm On Jan 21, 2025 |
BetterHeadline: Does Islam condone slavery? Does Islamic teaching allow Muslim men to keep women as sex slaves? Islam neither ignores nor condemns slavery. In fact, a large part of the Sharia is dedicated to the practice.
Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle; he had sex with his slaves; and he instructed his men to do the same.
The Quran actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves (four) than it does to telling them to pray five times a day (zero).
Quran Quran (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" -This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restricted to four wives, but they may also have sex with any number of slaves, following the example of their prophet.
Quran (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." -This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Quran (70:29-30) . The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, sex slavery must be very important to him. He was relatively reticent on matters of human compassion and love.
Quran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Quran (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" -A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Quran (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." -Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (41.598) - Muhammad establishes that slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but they can be used to pay off the debt.
Sahih Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.
Sahih Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus. (Coitus interruptus is the act of having raw intercourse without ejaculating inside her sexual organ.)
Sahih Bukhari (47:765) - A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Sahih Bukhari (34:351) - Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
Sahih Bukhari (72:734) - Some contemporary Muslims in the West (where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime) are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari (52:255) - To discourage emancipation, Muhammad says that the slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven. This is better than freedom for both parties, as the master benefits from slave-labor free of consequence, and the slave has the promise of eternal reward over the temporal. In other words, it is better to be a slave to the Arabs than to be a free mankind because Allah will greatly reward us for the former.
Sahih Muslim 3371 - Muhammad and his men take captive " some excellent Arab women " from the Banu Mustaliq. Their dilemma then becomes that they want to rape the women, but they also want to 'ransom' them, knowing that their captives will be of less value if pregnant. When they ask Muhammad about coitus interruptus, their prophet tells them that it doesn't matter how they rape the women because " every soul will be born " anyway.
Sahih Muslim 3901 - Muhammad trades away two African slaves for one Muslim slave.
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his chauffeur.
Sahih Bukhari 9:91:368 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his butler.
Sahih Bukari 4:53:344 - Aisha learns that Muhammad has acquired slave girls as "booty" and asks for one as a maid.
Sahih Bukhari 7:65:344 - Muhammad kept a slave to acting as his tailor.
Sahih Bukhari 2:15:103 - "I was watching the display of black slaves in the mosque..."
Sahih Muslim 4345 - Narration of a military raid against a hapless tribe trying to reach their water hole. During the slaughter, the women and children attempt to flee, but are cut off and captured by the Muslims. This story refutes any misconception that Muhammad's sex slaves were taken by their own volition.
Sahih Muslim 4112 - A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free. (Even when a Muhammad follower realized in the end that slavery was wrong and decided to free his own slaves upon his death, Muhammad reversed his decision and kept the slaves to himself.)
Sahih Bukhari (47:743) - Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.
Sahih Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" -Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really "wives." This is because Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.
Abu Dawud (2150) - "The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Quran 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Quran. Not only does Allah give permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands. (See also Muslim 3432 & Ibn Kathir/Abdul Rahman Part 5 Page 14)
Abu Dawud (1814) - "... [Abu Bakr] He then began to beat [his slave] him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?" -The future first caliph of Islam is beating his slave for losing a camel while Muhammad looks on in apparent amusement.
Ibn Ishaq (734) - A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.
Abu Dawud 38:4458 - Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”. -A slave girl is ordered by Muhammad to be beaten until she bleeds, and then beaten again after the bleeding stops. He indicates that this is prescribed treatment for slaves ("those whom your right hand possesses".)
Abu Dawud 1:142 - "Do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl "
Sunan Nasai 2:12:1125 - Aisha said, "I noticed that the Messenger of Allah was missing from bed... I thought he had gone to one of his concubines" - Muhammad's wife thought that he had gone to one of his slaves for sex.
Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." -Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).
Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) - According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the mere fact of their capture. A captured woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled. This would not be necessary if she were widowed by battle, which is an imaginary stipulation that modern apologists sometimes pose.
Notes
Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.
Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Quran, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin. They limit the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33 ) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through taking and ransoming hostages, which began under Muhammad.
The taking of women and children as slaves, particularly during the conquests outside Arabia, belies the notion that Jihad was being waged in self-defense, since the enemy's families reside neither with the Muslims nor (generally) on the battlefield. These were innocent people captured from their homes and pressed into slavery by Muhammad's companions and successors.
Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although freeing a believing slave is said to increase the master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Quran (4:92 )). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment.
By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the abolishment of slavery. Abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West.
Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. It is a lie.
One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after the prophet of Islam died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense. He obviously did not agree with this.
Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqt included an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years without the least bit of moral objection from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars.
Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them.
Modern day apologists trying to defend slavery under Islam generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. They distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery.
The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanian scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans.
A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam are the many examples in which Muhammad and his companions sold captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence. Some contemporary apologists interpret sex slavery as a favor done to the subject - a way in which women and children are taken care of in exchange for their sexual availability to the pious Muslim male. Although morally repugnant in its own right, this is easily belied by the fact that slavery would be unnecessary if the arrangement were of benefit to the slave.
Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. In fact, it was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his aforementioned role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for import into the Middle East.
The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed. See Zanj Rebellion (http://libcom.org/library/zanj-slaves-rebellion-ad-869-883)
Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav.
Muslim slave raiders operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village: "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of an English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam).
The Indian and Persian people suffered greatly as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans are thought to have died en route. Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!
In 2003, a cleric in Saudi Arabia's highest religious body declared (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Al-Fawzan) , " Slavery is part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam. Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever say such thing is an infidel."
In 2011, Salwa Al-Mutairi, who is considered a women's rights activist in Kuwait, suggested (http://rt.com/news/activist-sex-sold-war/) that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery.
After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery, which included rules on sexually molesting children: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."
In 2016, a scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar, the most prestigious Islamic school in the Sunni world, stated (http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/egypts-al-azhar-professor-suad-saleh-rape-allowed-by-allah-islam-only-regulated-the-practice-makes-infidel-women-slaves-26321/) that non-Muslim women could be captured in a time of war become "property " and can be raped "in order to humiliate them."
A 12-year-old girl taken captive by the Islamic State explained that her 'master' would pray before he raped her: "He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to Allah." Other sex slaves have been forced to pray before the rape or recite passages from the Quran during. When a Yazidi woman begged a caliphate member not to rape a little girl, he responded , " She's a slave... and having sex with her pleases God."
In 2017, African slaves were freed from captivity in Libya, where their Arab masters not only raped and starved them, but forced them to drink from toilets.
As Uzy Bulut keenly observed, "A religion that encourages destructive rioting and killing over cartoons, but shows no sign of sorrow as little girls are sold and raped, does not have much to contribute to advancing civilization."
Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Quran, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Quran.
For futher reading: https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/slavery.aspx#hadith https://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6845&PN=5&title=fao-fatima-islam-questionsthis debunk you |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses by CaliphMJ: 4:00am On Jan 20, 2025 |
parisbookaddict: unlike the quran, don't forget slavery in biblical times is different from the 7th century arab slavery Mohammed practised..biblical slavery Was recorded 4000 years ago, that is over 2000 years before Jesus while Mohammed was born Just in the 7th century (600AD)..let's look at some quran and hadith verses regarding slavery. ..
Qur'an (23:5-6)- "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
Qur'an (4:24)- "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible. Qur'an (8:69)- "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Bukhari (41.598)- Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.
Bukhari (62:137)- An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus. it doesnt say that
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave). Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
Muslim 3901- Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave. Muslim 4112- A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free.
Bukhari (47:743)- Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.
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Tartar9, tola9ja, 9jaforlife, rilwanye001, abuaman, agentofAllah, empiree, yazach, yourmain, Abdulsalam20, [/size] stop looking for moral equivalence. . already debunked this there no muslim hadith higher than 3000 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses by CaliphMJ: 3:56am On Jan 20, 2025 |
Empiree: How I missed this thread. A lot have been taught to madam ifeann. I forgot this thread completely.
Updated..... thank you for debunking him |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:55am On Jan 20, 2025 |
true2god: Hadith contains narrations regarding the deeds of mohammed, aisha, the sahabas and some other important people in Islamic history (during the period of mohammed). It entails their lifestyles which modern\pious muslims must emulate, hence hadith is both a narration and a practical part of Islam.
The sunnah is purely devoted to mohammed, his lifestyle and his instructions. I shouldn't be the one to explain your text to you. In Islamic law and jusrispundece, the hadith and the sunnah is more relevant than the quran. Over 90% of sharia laws are from the hadith and the sunnah.
It is only an ignorant muslim that will say he is a quranite only. Quran, if read alone, does\will not make any common sense. If you understand arabic and you read and study the quran in that language you will agree with me that reading the quran alone (minus the hadith and the sunnah) will not make any common sense.
And it is unfortunate that hadith, unlike the quran, is an exclusive right of mullahs and Islamic teachers. An average muslim on the street have not even seen a single piece of hadith collected hence most muslims are very ignorant of what Islam is all about, aside from the general beliefs and mandatory 5-times daily prayers. huh |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:54am On Jan 20, 2025 |
Ifeann: Please mods seun whoever... move this nonsense to the islamic jihadist section what |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:54am On Jan 20, 2025 |
dalaman: What is the recommended Quranic punishment for gays and adulterers? what |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:54am On Jan 20, 2025 |
usermane: The word 'litubayyinah' in that verse mean to make manifest and known, not to explain with surplus details. Example, if Qur'an 5:6 explaining ablution is revealed, only Muhammad knows about it and its ruling at first, others are unaware. Muhammad makes clear and manifest to others, what had been revealed to only him by reading and recording it 4 others. This is what this verse mean. The revealation of God is fully detailed(Qur'an 6:114).
Think, if Muhammad did explain Qur'an as traditionalists imply, he would have recorded this explanations along with the Qur'an.
Peace! this is already answered |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:52am On Jan 20, 2025 |
Dey re d brave of all muslims, dey don't follow muslim doctrine blindly. Dey want d best for their grl child, dey don't want old men to rape dem children. Dey don't believe in sex slaves, dey don't believe in killing of jews christians, dey don't believe ya must force one to worship allah, dey value life, dey don't believe in millitancy. They don't believe in beating women and raping dem, dey don't believe in polygamous family, dey don't believe in muhammed and d falsehood he represents. Dey believe in peace. huh |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:51am On Jan 20, 2025 |
Ifeann: They are smarter people than u Muslims that believe the nonsense stories of moon splitting in the hadiths no |
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by CaliphMJ: 3:51am On Jan 20, 2025 |
Question01: Peace be with you. Here is a response to Zawadi 's Criticisms which you 've heavily depended on: Refuting The Hadith Defender Book
You did this in the past, i corrected you but you are doing it again. I know you do not truely read my posts. But i do not seek to win over anyone. I just want the truth to be seen.
Qur'an 59:7 And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
Read the whole verse instead of only the fraction you have posted and you will find that it deals with distribution of spoils of war by the Messenger, not legislation by the Messenger.
Also since you respect hadith so much, here is one that support my position and contradict the one you just cited: first of all the website dont work |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses by CaliphMJ: 3:50am On Jan 20, 2025 |
parisbookaddict: So u do agree that sahih muslim and bukhari are nonsense fabrications of the deeds of Mohammed including his alleged splitting of the moon "miracle"..and camel pass cure etc..remember these are the 2 best hadiths. .
Are these fabrications and do u reject it? let debate |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 3:32am On Jan 20, 2025 |
this is my further debunk Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav. Muslim slave raiders operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village: "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of an English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam). The Indian and Persian people suffered greatly as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans are thought to have died en route. Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it! In 2003, a cleric in Saudi Arabia's highest religious body declared ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Al-Fawzan) , " Slavery is part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam. Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever say such thing is an infidel." In 2011, Salwa Al-Mutairi, who is considered a women's rights activist in Kuwait, suggested ( http://rt.com/news/activist-sex-sold-war/) that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery, which included rules on sexually molesting children: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse." In 2016, a scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar, the most prestigious Islamic school in the Sunni world, stated ( http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/egypts-al-azhar-professor-suad-saleh-rape-allowed-by-allah-islam-only-regulated-the-practice-makes-infidel-women-slaves-26321/) that non-Muslim women could be captured in a time of war become "property " and can be raped "in order to humiliate them." A 12-year-old girl taken captive by the Islamic State explained that her 'master' would pray before he raped her: "He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to Allah." Other sex slaves have been forced to pray before the rape or recite passages from the Quran during. When a Yazidi woman begged a caliphate member not to rape a little girl, he responded , " She's a slave... and having sex with her pleases God." In 2017, African slaves were freed from captivity in Libya, where their Arab masters not only raped and starved them, but forced them to drink from toilets. As Uzy Bulut keenly observed, "A religion that encourages destructive rioting and killing over cartoons, but shows no sign of sorrow as little girls are sold and raped, does not have much to contribute to advancing civilization." Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Quran, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Quran. For futher reading: https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/slavery.aspx#hadith[/quote]Abu Dawud 1:142 - "Do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl " already answered in islamqa i shared Sunan Nasai 2:12:1125 - Aisha said, "I noticed that the Messenger of Allah was missing from bed... I thought he had gone to one of his concubines" - Muhammad's wife thought that he had gone to one of his slaves for sex. what wrong with this Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." -Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight). banu qurayza literally break the treaties and surrendering peacefully? source? Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) - According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the mere fact of their capture. A captured woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled. This would not be necessary if she were widowed by battle, which is an imaginary stipulation that modern apologists sometimes pose. again islamqa Notes Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine. Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Quran, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin. They limit the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33 ) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through taking and ransoming hostages, which began under Muhammad. here what surah 24:33 says And let those who do not have the means to marry keep themselves chaste until Allah enriches them out of His bounty. And if any of those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession desires a contract ˹to buy their own freedom˺, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which He has granted you. Do not force your ˹slave˺ girls into prostitution for your own worldly gains while they wish to remain chaste. And if someone coerces them, then after such a coercion Allah is certainly All-Forgiving, Most Merciful ˹to them˺. limit? proof The taking of women and children as slaves, particularly during the conquests outside Arabia, belies the notion that Jihad was being waged in self-defense, since the enemy's families reside neither with the Muslims nor (generally) on the battlefield. These were innocent people captured from their homes and pressed into slavery by Muhammad's companions and successors. slavery are treated kind in islam Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although freeing a believing slave is said to increase the master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Quran (4:92 )). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment. (and whosoever kills a believer by mistake, he must set free a believing slave and submit compensation (blood money) to the deceased's family) thus, ordaining two requirements for murder by mistake. The first requirement is the Kaffarah (fine) for the great sin that has been committed, even if it was a mistake. The Kaffarah is to free a Muslim slave, not a non-Muslim slave. Imam Ahmad recorded that a man from the Ansar said that he brought a slave and said, "O Messenger of Allah! I have to free a believing slave, so if you see that this slave is a believer, I will free her." By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the abolishment of slavery. Abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West. eh not really europe become secular over time Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. It is a lie. One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after the prophet of Islam died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense. He obviously did not agree with this. Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqt included an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years without the least bit of moral objection from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars. Between 639 and 641 the Muslim Arabs overran Byzantine Egypt. A Byzantine request for help remained unanswered by the Nubians due to conflicts with the Beja. In 641 or 642 the Arabs sent a first expedition into Makuria.[38} Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them. what no Abu Lu'lu'a's true motivations are not clear.[15] Modern day apologists trying to defend slavery under Islam generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. They distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery. The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanian scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans. John Allembillah Azumah is an ordained Ghanaian minister in the Presbyterian Church of Ghana and associate professor of World Christianity and Islam. He is one of the leaders in Islam and Christian–Muslim relations and he is currently working on research in the area of World Christianity and Islam in the Global South.[1] and he not a scholar A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam are the many examples in which Muhammad and his companions sold captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence. Some contemporary apologists interpret sex slavery as a favor done to the subject - a way in which women and children are taken care of in exchange for their sexual availability to the pious Muslim male. Although morally repugnant in its own right, this is easily belied by the fact that slavery would be unnecessary if the arrangement were of benefit to the slave. Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. In fact, it was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his aforementioned role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for import into the Middle East. source? The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed. See Zanj Rebellion ( http://libcom.org/library/zanj-slaves-rebellion-ad-869-883) "The preponderance of foreign slaves in the Islamic Empire was due to an ironic quirk in the evolution of Islam. The orientalist, Bernard Lewis, is reasonably lucid on this. He starts by noting, "Quran expresses no racist or colour prejudice" (B. Lewis, Race and Slavery in the Middle East, p 21). In fact it had no conception of race in terms of colour, having already decided on the believer/non-believer criterion for social exclusion. That is not to say early Muslims were colour blind (see for example, Quran, Chapter XLIX, Verse 13). Quran's lack of prejudice merely reflected the attitude of pre-Islamic Arabs who possessed a tribal/ethnic rather than a racial consciousness. Although, it is worth remembering that, as a reaction against Persian expansionism the latter were derogatory referred to as "the red people"." you legit show proof that quran isn't racist In Basra, Ali sought to take advantage of disturbances caused by the city's rival groups, the Bilaliyyah and Sa'diyyah, and attempted to secure the support of one of the factions. Eventually he proclaimed a new revolt, but no one in the city rallied to his side and he was forced to flee to the Mesopotamian Marshes. There he was arrested by the provincial authorities and sent to Wasit. He was quickly able to secure his freedom and went to Baghdad, where he remained for the next year. During his time in Baghdad he claimed to be a Zaydi by being related to the grandson of Zayd ibn Ali and won over additional followers for his movement.[14] Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav. Muslim slave raiders operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village: "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of an English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam). why didn't you mention there were pirates? The Indian and Persian people suffered greatly as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans are thought to have died en route. Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it! In 2003, a cleric in Saudi Arabia's highest religious body declared ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Al-Fawzan) , " Slavery is part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam. Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever say such thing is an infidel." In 2011, Salwa Al-Mutairi, who is considered a women's rights activist in Kuwait, suggested ( http://rt.com/news/activist-sex-sold-war/) that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. "An activist from Kuwait has provoked public outrage after calling for the legalization of sex slavery. She suggested that non-Muslim women war captives be sold as concubines to keep men in their families, making them less likely to commit adultery." not showing the whole thing After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery, which included rules on sexually molesting children: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse." isis really? In 2016, a scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar, the most prestigious Islamic school in the Sunni world, stated ( http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/egypts-al-azhar-professor-suad-saleh-rape-allowed-by-allah-islam-only-regulated-the-practice-makes-infidel-women-slaves-26321/) that non-Muslim women could be captured in a time of war become "property " and can be raped "in order to humiliate them." broken link A 12-year-old girl taken captive by the Islamic State explained that her 'master' would pray before he raped her: "He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to Allah." Other sex slaves have been forced to pray before the rape or recite passages from the Quran during. When a Yazidi woman begged a caliphate member not to rape a little girl, he responded , " She's a slave... and having sex with her pleases God." isis again? In 2017, African slaves were freed from captivity in Libya, where their Arab masters not only raped and starved them, but forced them to drink from toilets. As Uzy Bulut keenly observed, "A religion that encourages destructive rioting and killing over cartoons, but shows no sign of sorrow as little girls are sold and raped, does not have much to contribute to advancing civilization." baseless Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Quran, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Quran. just because some muslim do bad thing doesn't every muslim is bad For futher reading: https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/slavery.aspx#hadith[/quote] https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1092/are-the-five-daily-prayers-mentioned-in-the-quranhttps://islamqa.info/en/answers/94840/slavery-in-islam |
Crime › Re: Black People, Islam, And Slavery by CaliphMJ: 3:31am On Jan 20, 2025 |
[quote author=BetterHeadline post=111763810]Does Islam condone slavery? Does Islamic teaching allow Muslim men to keep women as sex slaves? Islam neither ignores nor condemns slavery. In fact, a large part of the Sharia is dedicated to the practice. Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle; he had sex with his slaves; and he instructed his men to do the same. The Quran actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves (four) than it does to telling them to pray five times a day (zero). Quran Quran (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" -This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restricted to four wives, but they may also have sex with any number of slaves, following the example of their prophet. https://quran.com/33?startingVerse=50read the footnote Quran (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." -This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Quran (70:29-30) . The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, sex slavery must be very important to him. He was relatively reticent on matters of human compassion and love. https://quran.com/23?startingVerse=5 read the footnote Quran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -Even sex with married slaves is permissible. Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession.1 This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Footnote - 1 A man was not allowed to have a relationship with a bondwoman who he had taken captive in war unless he made sure she was not pregnant. This was verified by her having at least one monthly cycle. See footnote for 4:3. A man was not allowed to have a relationship with a bondwoman who he had taken captive in war unless he made sure she was not pregnant. This was verified by her having at least one monthly cycle. See footnote for 4:3. Quran (c) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" -A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them." 71 doesnt say that Quran (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." -Breeding slaves based on fitness. that not what it says Marry off the ˹free˺ singles among you, as well as the righteous of your bondmen and bondwomen. If they are poor, Allah will enrich them out of His bounty. For Allah is All-Bountiful, All-Knowing. Hadith and Sira Sahih Bukhari (41.598) - Muhammad establishes that slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but they can be used to pay off the debt. Sahih Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval. first of all raping is not allowed in islam and nowhere it states they were raped Sahih Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus. (Coitus interruptus is the act of having raw intercourse without ejaculating inside her sexual organ.) Sahih Bukhari (47:765) - A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave). out of context she did without taking the permission of the Prophet same as last one Sahih Bukhari (34:351) - Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. no need to debunk this Sahih Bukhari (72:734) - Some contemporary Muslims in the West (where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime) are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad. who are this muslim in west Sahih Bukhari (52:255) - To discourage emancipation, Muhammad says that the slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven. This is better than freedom for both parties, as the master benefits from slave-labor free of consequence, and the slave has the promise of eternal reward over the temporal. In other words, it is better to be a slave to the Arabs than to be a free mankind because Allah will greatly reward us for the former. it doesnt say that Sahih Muslim 3371 - Muhammad and his men take captive " some excellent Arab women " from the Banu Mustaliq. Their dilemma then becomes that they want to rape the women, but they also want to 'ransom' them, knowing that their captives will be of less value if pregnant. When they ask Muhammad about coitus interruptus, their prophet tells them that it doesn't matter how they rape the women because " every soul will be born " anyway. where is the rape Sahih Muslim 3901 - Muhammad trades away two African slaves for one Muslim slave. this doesnt proof anything Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his chauffeur. Sahih Bukhari 9:91:368 - Muhammad had an African slave acting as his butler. Sahih Bukari 4:53:344 - Aisha learns that Muhammad has acquired slave girls as "booty" and asks for one as a maid. what Sahih Bukhari 7:65:344 - Muhammad kept a slave to acting as his tailor. Sahih Bukhari 2:15:103 - "I was watching the display of black slaves in the mosque..." doesnt proof anything Sahih Muslim 4345 - Narration of a military raid against a hapless tribe trying to reach their water hole. During the slaughter, the women and children attempt to flee, but are cut off and captured by the Muslims. This story refutes any misconception that Muhammad's sex slaves were taken by their own volition. no such thing as 4345 Sahih Muslim 4112 - A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free. (Even when a Muhammad follower realized in the end that slavery was wrong and decided to free his own slaves upon his death, Muhammad reversed his decision and kept the slaves to himself.) same as up one Sahih Bukhari (47:743) - Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command. Sahih Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" -Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really "wives." This is because Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living. um what how does this proof that slaves arent wifes? Abu Dawud (2150) - "The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Quran 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." -This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Quran. Not only does Allah give permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands. (See also Muslim 3432 & Ibn Kathir/Abdul Rahman Part 5 Page 14) what is ibn kathir/adbul rahman part 5 page 14 this is edited hadith Abu Sa’id Al Khudri said “The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allaah (ﷺ) were reluctant to have relations with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur’anic verse “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses.” This is to say that they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period. here the context The Hawazins had been long-standing enemies of Meccans. They were located north-east of Mecca and their territory sat beside the trade route to Al-Hirah in Iraq. The Hawazins were allied with the Thaqifs, which had settled in Ta'if, a town south-east of Mecca whose trade routes ran through Hawazin territory. The alliance had engaged in several wars probably concerning trade routes between Ta'if and Mecca. Given this history they saw Muhammad as another powerful Quraishi leader who had come to lead his people. They thought among themselves that a war with Muslims was imminent and that the once-persecuted minority of Muslims had gained the upper hand against their non-Muslim Arab enemies, and they may have wanted to take advantage of the likely chaos in Mecca after the Muslim takeover. Some tribes favoured fighting him and the Muslims. Ahead of these were the tribes of Hawazin and Thaqif. According to the Muslim scholar Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri "They thought that they were too mighty to admit or surrender to such a victory". So, they met Malik bin 'Awf An-Nasri and made up their minds to proceed fighting against the Muslims. Malik persuaded other tribes to fight and gathered them before him. The confederation of tribes consisting of Nasr, Jusham, Sa'ad bin Bakr, Bani Hilal, Bani 'Amr bin Amir and Bani 'Awf bin Amir gathered at Autas along with the Thaqif and Hawazin.[8][9][10][11] Abu Dawud (1814) - "... [Abu Bakr] He then began to beat [his slave] him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?" -The future first caliph of Islam is beating his slave for losing a camel while Muhammad looks on in apparent amusement. again out of context Narrated Asma' bint AbuBakr: We came out for performing hajj along with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). When we reached al-Araj, the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) alighted and we also alighted. Aisha sat beside the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and I sat beside my father (AbuBakr). The equipment and personal effects of AbuBakr and of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) were placed with AbuBakr's slave on a camel. AbuBakr was sitting and waiting for his arrival. He arrived but he had no camel with him. He asked: Where is your camel? He replied: I lost it last night. AbuBakr said: There was only one camel, even that you have lost. He then began to beat him while the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing? Ibn AbuRizmah said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) spoke nothing except the words: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (wearing ihram), what is he doing? He was smiling (when he uttered these words). and prophet looking happy nor abu bakr ra was future first caliph he chosed after prophet muhammad pbuh died Ibn Ishaq (734) - A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it. http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/the-problems-with-ibn-ishaq.htmlAbu Dawud 38:4458 - Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”. -A slave girl is ordered by Muhammad to be beaten until she bleeds, and then beaten again after the bleeding stops. He indicates that this is prescribed treatment for slaves ("those whom your right hand possesses".) there no 4458 |
Christianity Etc › Re: You Won't Believe That This Passages Is In The Quran by CaliphMJ: 5:01am On Nov 24, 2024 |
Expanse2020: But you forgot he cursed and he also stole in the same bible... Also infant gospel of Thomas which was removed from bible he cursed a boy to wirl wind too.. what will you call that..... Allah swt is the most merciful and most forgiving may Allah swt guide to Islam and forgive all you sins make you go jannat al firadus highest rank of heaven and you family and friends as well may Allah swt guide them both and you aswell Ameen❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ |
Christianity Etc › Re: You Won't Believe That This Passages Is In The Quran by CaliphMJ: 5:00am On Nov 24, 2024 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: You Won't Believe That This Passages Is In The Quran by CaliphMJ: 3:34pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
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