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haekymbahd:
The early Christians didn't follow trinity. The nature of Jesus was decided at the council of Nicea 325 A. D led by emperor Constantine. That was when Christians accepted generally to call Jesus God. Jesus himself was not there to say he approved it.


If Islam has a very poor understanding of the Bible then the later Christians didn't need seating at the council of nicea if they truly understand the Bible themselves

Catholics: Let's pray to Mary to help us intercede for Jesus to help us. Mother of God (Mary)

Common christian: Let us pray to (God) Jesus to help us intercede for the father (God)

Jehovah witness : Jesus is angel Michael and Jehovah is our God

Some Christians say Jesus is the father himself,
some he is only the son of God (created with the nature of God e.t.c

John 16:26
26 At that time you will ask (pray) in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf

27 For the Father Himself [tenderly] loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from God.

These are the ones who understand the Bible better than Allah and Muhammad yet they could not agree on the core of their doctrine.

Allah has come to clear the doubts by revealing the Quran to warn mankind of falsehood they are inviting yet they disbelieved.



Why should Jesus be called everlasting father when he himself was on earth

Mathew 23:9
9 And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.

why should Jesus be called prince of peace when he said
Mathew 10
34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to part asunder a man from his father, and a daughter from her mother, and a [m]newly married wife from her mother-in-law--


Mark 10:18
18And Jesus said to him, Why do you call Me [[m]essentially and perfectly [n]morally] good? There is no one [[o]essentially and perfectly [p]morally] good--except God alone.

How does this verse support your claim of Jesus being part of a royal family


Now hope you know that Israel was cursed by God meaning no prophets is coming from there any more and the covenant God had with them had been broken now Allah has chosen the Arab nation and Muhammad whether you like it or not.

Mathew 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, murdering the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a mother fowl gathers her brood under her wings, and you refused!

38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate (abandoned and left destitute of God's help). [I Kings 9:7; Jer. 22:5.]

39 For I declare to you, you will not see Me again until you say, Blessed (magnified in worship, adored, and exalted) is He Who comes in the name of the Lord!(F)


Allah SWT said:

"So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 13)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com...

what about people of the religion Judaism and your colleagues Jehovah's witnesses and co



Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا يُسَمُّونَ بِأَنْبِيَائِهِمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ قَبْلَهُمْ

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135


If your claim is true then I wonder why some Christians won't celebrate christmas



The funny thing is some Christian even claim that Jesus is an intercessor between man and God but he rejected that too.

John 16:26
26 At that time you will ask (pray) in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf

27 For the Father Himself [tenderly] loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from God.

So tell me what is the role of Jesus to the Father?
What is the difference of Jesus with the previous prophet?

Allah SWT said:
"And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 112)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

akhi I helped you debunked the guy arguing with

ShiaLagos:
you are dead wrong about that age! check the below thread.

Tell me why Mohammed married a young Aisha?
https://www.nairaland.com/846958/tell-me-why-mohammed-married

She is an adult

ShiaLagos:
you are dead wrong about that age! check the below thread.

Tell me why Mohammed married a young Aisha?
https://www.nairaland.com/846958/tell-me-why-mohammed-married

Aisha ra I'd an adult

Ifeann:
U need to put more context and hadiths to back this up..

Yes also surah 9 38 debunks this guy whole arugment

skyhighweb:
https://inquiringislam./tag/939-quran/

That link isn't working also surah 9 38?

skyhighweb:
Quran (9:39) - "If ye go not forth He will afflict you with
a painful doom..." It isn't enough to believe.

Muhammad is telling his soldiers
(who do not want to fight) that they will be sent to hell if they do not join the battle.

Where is the context? Also O believers! What is the matter with you that when you are asked to march forth in the cause of Allah, you cling firmly to ˹your˺ land?1 Do you prefer the life of this world over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life is insignificant compared to that of the Hereafter. Surah 9 38

What is the difference between The council of Nicea and Islamic ulamas? What is wrong with Christian scholars coming together for exposition on the Christian doctrine. It's not the first time it was happening. The first Christian council was the Council of Jerusalem presided over by Peter. You said

but these christian scholar came 300 years after jesus a.s also jesus a.s never there

AGAIN, the doctrine of Trinity was already established in our Bible with a lot of verses confirming the deity of Jesus. The council only gave it name and adopted it formally as a core Christian doctrine.

Actually there verses was corrupted hence 300 years

Why do Islamic ulamas sit? Despite meeting and following Jesus for 3 years, why did Peter and the apostles convey the first Christian council at Jerusalem?

Sitting is Normal and also Peter and apostles are not 300 years old

Everybody must not agree but Trinity is a core Christian doctrine. If moslems keyed into one doctrine then there would have been no Shia, Sunni, tijanniyya, izala and others

Orthodox and Collyridianism would like to disagree with you


You mean an allah that is struggling to understand Christianity and the Bible. Only fools clear doubts on what they don't even understand.

You book changed so much that Allah swt have to say about the present changed one so the people of the time could understand


I am of this world but not of this world (Jesus)
I am the manna that comes from Heaven (Jesus)
The word was with God and the word is GOD (John)

First show verse second doesn't this contradict? Like the verse when Jesus a.s was sent by God to earth

Like I said, you moslems are grossly ignorant of the Bible. Over 80% of Jesus teachings are in parables. Jesus was talking about the persecution His new teaching will unleash on his believers. A lot of early Christians were persecuted and killed because of Jesus' teachings.

First of all sword always means violence second of all unleash since when sword unleash? Unless you don't count cutting people up and jesus a.s denied bring peace it means it bring violence


Jesus was being humble. A Prince telling you not to call him Highest doesn't mean he is no longer royal.

First of all humble? This again contradict the bible whereas Jesus a.s and father are equal hell it an doctrine in Christianity and if being humble means you lowing you importance then it not god and apparently the rest of Trinity is not humble


Like I said, you guys lack proper understanding of the Bible. Jesus was prophesizing about the destruction of Jerusalem. But why did you leave verse 34 out. Here is what Jesus said about your claim that no prophet will come out of Isreal again.

34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.

Jerusalem have important Christian stuff like schalepal also show the context Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?[d] 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari′ah the son of Barachi′ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. This is Matthew 23 by the way

The only person that needs to be forgiven is your allah fro distorting the Bible meanings.

I already explained this, you book changed many time over the past years


stoopid explanation. Mohammed's lie was caught here and he didn't have better lies to tell. Like I said, whoever revealed the koran to Mohammed has a poor understanding of the Bible.

In ancient Isreal people are addressed as the son or daughter of their ancestors. Jesus is known as the son of David because he descends from David.

In our Bible, Zechariah the father of John descends from the priestly family of Abijah. He was married to Elizabeth who descends from the priestly family of Aaron. Our Bible calls Elizabeth daughter of Aaron.

Mary mother of Jesus was a relative of Elizabeth, so she is also a daughter of Aaron. Your koran missed up things. They are not known as sister of but daughter of.

The only sister of Aaron is Miriam.

Quran was sent down by allah swt to make people to follow the truth and it was sent to prophet Muhammad a.s an an present arab at the time so the prophet spread the quran to make it known to arabs at it time and since quran was at this arab present time it have to be understand by arab this also it still understand by this time also So don't use ancient Israel on this and plus arab at this time say such as father of or son of
And also The name Muhammad (/mʊˈhæməd, -ˈhɑːməd/)[3] means "praiseworthy" and appears four times in the Quran.[4][5][6][7][8] Chapter Surah 47 of the Quran is "Muhammad".[9] The name Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim,[10] begins with the kunya[11] Abū, or, father of.[12] source Wikipedia as you Cleary see the father of and also plus Allah swt say we human are son of adam and for proof Sahih International: O children of Adam, if there come to you messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve. Surah 7 35 so therefore Mary is sister of Aaron but like son of adam and it not stupid explainition

Because it is not a Christian doctrine. There is difference between doctrine and dogmas. We have one Christian doctrine and churches have their dogma. Honouring Mary is a catholic dogma, not a Christian doctrine. Below is the summary of the Christian doctrine believe by every Christian no matter the denomination.

Christmas is an pagan holiday we all know it.


And that it.