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sylve11 u are a bad boi

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Kunbee:
Elebi

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or better still automate the whole thing from the command line using Ant or Ivy or Maven. Java has got a lot easier with all these open source tools

Kobojunkie:
Sighs!  . . . . Why 3 tier? Are ALL applications necessarily 3-tiered or more?

Ok before i answer that can you describe how you will architect a simple web application in such a way that business logic, database access and view dispatcher logic is seperated (not neccessarily 3 tiered . . for your convenience )

Kobojunkie:
Also does it not occur to you that when you make statements such as the one you did earlier about your dear MVC pattern that it ought to be true APPLY IN ALL CASES(.NET AND NON), or it is probably NOT a VALID assertion?

How about you demonstrating to us as logica suggested (you don't need to write code just describe how you can do this) how you can achieve a clear seperation of concerns in a simple 3 tier web application without using the MVC pattern.

Kobojunkie:
In my work as a contractor,  I have yet to work on a single team where MVC has been used to date, and I am talking of fortune 500 companies.

But you tend to see the shittest code in all these fortune 500 companies. Unmaintanable, hacked, ugly looking code so don't even go about citing them as examples.

Kobojunkie:
I work in .NET world, and even the new ASP.NET MVC framework is still not an industry wide standard considering most shops and software houses are still comfortable working with what they have since it works and is clean and good for them. Are we to assume these companies do not have talented developers on staff then? Are these applications to be considered non-functional simply because no consideration was made for MVC pattern? Again, like every other design pattern out there, it has it's place. It is not FOR ALL development, framework and non.

Ofcouse what do you expect. However the more talented .Net developers will be using the newer more efficient MVC approach and some will even have ported some of the other best practices in the wider developement community for their use which the remaining knuckle heads will wait for big DADDY microsoft to provide in the next version of the framework or stick to the old in-efficient way of doing things

Kobo it is about you or .Net vs Java.

It's just that  i come against a brick wall anytime i discuss architectural solutions with .Net developers because they always look at issues from the .Net perspective.

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webdezzi:
i love python, i think java sucks in terms of speed.

are u sure u know what you are saying. speed compared to what