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says nobody but means "I".....Lmao

Jodera:
But na wetin bring you come the argument na. Na almost the same thing

You saidI put Messi with big Sam and he'll post same numbers. From what I understood, it means big Sam will maximize Messi the way pep did. Aside agenda, we all know that's a lie

Even Xavi and iniesta didn't have that great height pre-Pep even though they're known before.

And that's the work of world class coach

I said he would shine not put up thesame numbers..I made the comparison to show that messi's greatness was not a matter of 'if' but 'when'

raumdeuter:
Why then has Nadal, Federer and Djokovic not appointed you as their coach?

The same reason Apari Fraudiola has not appointed you his Lawyer despite you being fellow Apari in arms...

Jodera:
Why I understand where you're driving at, but it's not really straight forward as you're making it sound.

See Rashford for example. He'll always thank Van gaal for giving him the opportunity and entrusting him into that number 9 position. While you might say his talent might shine through, but we really don't know if we would have still known Rashford till now If not that exposure. Check Man u thread and see how Midfield talents are not exposed due to the coach not promoting and using any of them.

Aside Exposure, there's still player usage. Pep made Messi the focal point of that team eliminating the big boys which made his goal tally increase. The next season sef, he made him as a number 9 thus making his tally increase even more. While I don't doubt Messi had the talents but you Pep ensured he maximized his talents(to Barca and Messi benefits) to the fullest

Saying Pep maximized Messi talent I would not have argued with... Saying he made Messi is a travesty I suppose only hear from cr7 fangirls

airmark:
So it's the best version of Gabriel Jesus we have in Man city.

Since Pep cannot buy UCL trophy with 1bn+ na to do attache to another man greatness...Lmao

raumdeuter:
How come this once in a millenium talent cannot reproduce the numbers under Pep anymore?

When will Messi have another 70goal season he has tried at least 5 coaches since Pep

Messi under Pep was the best version of Messi ever

Another nonsense argument...Salah under klopp posted 43 goals in his first season after scoring 15 or 16 goals the previous season...since then Salah has not hit 40 goals, if klopp had left after that season we will now start hearing how klopp made Salah...70+ goals is an anomaly even for Messi

airmark:


Fraudiola had health issues, that's why.

Pep made Messi... Imagine the nonsense
Pep can make a once in a century talent but is struggling to win UCL despite spending a 1bn.. Some jokes write themselves

raumdeuter:
You asked for the attacker who scored 38goals and more under Pep and I gave you lewandowski

Now you can change turn amala and run to Kafanchan. I dey there dey wait you

Your arguments are nonsensical....Lewy was already a golden boot winner b4 pep came even then he never gave Messi like numbers...Nice try but you must do better

raumdeuter:
Lewandowski scored 42 goals under Pep

Like I told you run from Messi to Gotze to Sterling I will meet you there

Oya bring out the next name

Imagine calling Lewy a world class attacker as an example of Pep making a player great...If anything Klopp made him great which is equally fallacious

Jodera:
You're just the follow up of those earlier arguments na

If you don't know that it's good coaches and clubs that makes players great and mostly not otherwise. Many players have entered doldrums or haven't reached the expected heights because of the kinda coach or club they met

E nor concern me whether Pep is a Fraud tho we might visit this later if ATM dumps Pep out....Saying Pep made Messi is like saying Sir Alex made Ronaldo or all that bullshit...It's why in table tennis Nadal, Federer and Djokovic would still dominate with me as their coach but no table tennis coach can make an Andy Murray a Federer...My point in a nutshell, Messi would have been great regardless of Pep

afrodoc2:
Gotze even had a metabolic disorder that was damaging his muscles. I don't know when Pep became liquid metal Odumeje performing miracles to heal the sick.

Does Sterling,Sane,Ribery, robben have metabolic disorders?...how many of them put up Messi like numbers

raumdeuter:
Gotze best under Klopp 16 goals
Gotze best under Pep 15 goals

Tell what is the difference?

Let me put it in simple English....Call any other attacker under Pep that scored Messi least goals which is 38 or shut up about Pep making Messi great..

Jodera:
You're grasping at straws here

You said pep is a fraud, we debunked that.
You guys said he met a stable team in barca that's why he excelled, we debunked that.

You said Messi was already great before Pep that's why pep excelled, we debunked that again.

Now you wan carry me go gotze like say gotze na bayern, wetin concern Pep with Gotze biko kwanu?

Omoh I nor know who follow you argue all those arguments wey u mention...my first post to you was the one addressing how Pep made Messi great...Why u dey turn Amala because u nor get answer?

raumdeuter:
These are the stats for Gotze. Pay attention

2010/11 - 8 goals
2011/12 - 7 goals
2012/13 - 16 goals

Under Pep
2013/14 - 15 goals
2014/15 - 15 goals

Wow...So 15 goals is the best Pep can do with German Messi which he has already bettered before Pep...LMAO

raumdeuter:
why did this generational talent goals doubled immediately he played under Pep and the goals dropped immediately Pep left

Maths dey hard u...211 and 196 is a difference of how many goals...leave gotze sef, Sterling under Pep has only scored 20 league goals once...Why has Sterling under Pep not even scored the least amount of goals that Prime Messi scored?...

raumdeuter:
This na capping.
Marko Marin was called the German Messi. Gotze had a health issue

Amala turning at it's finest... Health issue kwa Prime Messi Turner could not even turn gotze to level of Ben Arfa

raumdeuter:
2005/06 - 8 goals
2006/07 - 17 goals
2007/08 - 16 goals

Pep came

2008/09 - 38 goals
2009/10 - 47 goals
2020/11 - 53 goals
2011/12 - 73 goals

Pep left

2012/13 - 60 goals
2013/14 - 41 goals
2014/15 - 41 goals
2015/16 - 54 goals

What is the point of all this stats...that Messi a generational talent got better with age like fine wine should not come as a surprise to anybody who understands football...Why don't u answer d Question I ask Jodera about gotze, why don't u pull up his stats too

Jodera:
I didn't deny Messi greatness, did I?

Okay, tell me the individual award, goals scored(both in cl and league) Messi won prior to meeting guardiola?

Ok you've left that angle...let me juxtapose messi with gotze who was nicknamed the German messi...he played his best football under klopp at 19-21 before he left BVB, why did Pep the prime Messi maker not make gotze a world beater?..

Jodera:
Start first by telling us why Messi wasn't shining under poch

Tell me why you're comparing Messi @ 34 with a 21-29 yr old Messi...at which age did de Lima and dinho leave their prime...the fact that a 34 year old is still expected to put up numbers of a 20 something year old is a testament to his greatness..
CC: Raumdeuter

Jodera:
Exactly what I'm telling you and hensben. Messi never showed that prime until Pep came to his life not the other way round like you and hensben are making us to believe.

No pep = No busquet, no prime Messi, no prime Xavi and iniesta, no Pedro.

That's Pep for you boss

this is fallacious...Put Messi under big Sam he will still shine...Messi does not need pep, Pep needed Messi...Put prime Messi in the city team of the last 4 years and there's no way city would not have won a Cl by now

TLona1:
All these dominance ended immediately Pep left.

which fucking dominance....since checkbook pep left Messi has won 3 more balon d'or how many best coach has pep won...Messi has also won another treble how many trebles has pep won...local league merchant..Can never be my Coach...

airmark:
Fraudiola's assslickers are blind to the truth, we need to always clear them.

wait till the finished Simeone according to dayo sends him packing again and hear the countless Epistles defending the shameless Apari...

Iamyemmie:
I don’t know what the hype is about severance
Not feeling it
Carnival row too I don’t know yet
Na abami shows u people dey hype here
The only good recommendation I have gotten from this place is wentworth

Be like we like different stuffs

Severance is a slow burn....picks up rapidly from ep5 so stay with it

TrebleChamp:
I think he is now spending more time with his school books....

HaHa....maybe dem collect him phone cuz he fail jamb again

TrebleChamp:
You remind me of a certain Trevor in United thread , only that you don't insult people unprovoked....

Where trebor sef...he follow him darling manager enter wilderness?

AnfieldFan:
He stepped up towards the end of last season after overcoming those niggling injuries... Boy's gifted..I wanted him for us after his first season with Madrid but I knew it was wishful thinking on my part (some say he flopped, don't see it that way)...
Too late now...

Yeah...to get him now you'll have to pay at least 150m since ATM bought him for over 100m...pity he'll be a hell of a player

J.Felix has really stepped up this season...watching ATM right now and the guy knows how to ball...Shame he isn't playing for a more attacking team

All these people think say because dem nor dey venue party nor go hold....Wala talai this party go loud!!!

BlueRayDick:
And more and more.... and more ....

1-4

you nor complete am....they are running riot!!

raumdeuter:
Team Spain 3 CL, 2 Trebles
Team Germany 3 CL, 1 Treble

Team Spain 11 League titles
Team Germany 6 League titles

How does Pep and Klopp cancel each other? 1 CL 3 League suddenly cancels 2 CL 9 Leagues

Only CL titles won in the previous decade counts, and 1 CL>>>>>>>>1 million league titles

donstan18:
VVD won’t be regarded and rated like he is now, if it was then.

If you're good you will be rated...Your statement is just like saying Salah would not be rated as one of the best in Epl because he did not play in the era of Henry, drogba, Van persie e.t.c...One player greatness does not subtract from the other

Roland17:
I am more disappointed with the Academy! How did they allow him sit through the awards? he even walked up the stage to collect his award after the incident. He should have been kicked out of the awards immediately after that incident. That action is considered assault and Chris Rock is well within his rights to file charges against Will. Will is quite emotional and insecure and it did not shock me.

Lol...Nor be the same academy still award Polanski and Weinstein, I nor know why e dey shock you