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So if I met this woman with make up on now....imagine what I will do when I eventually see her without make up? I'll be like....sorry who are you?

EasternActivist:
But the strike is not about the Doctors I presume.
Anyways kudos to the doctors doing things the work being paid for I guess in hypocrisy of some mischief makers

So wrong...are you aware this same johesu members held on to the pay of these doctors

Smooth278:
Why is this not on the front page

http://ardisth..com.ng/2018/05/doctors-at-isth-irrua-respond-to-mass.html?m=1

FRONT PAGE pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

StarUp:
BTW are those other doctors actually in the middle of a major surgery without hand gloves? Anyway, congrats to the surgery team for a job well done...

News better than Davido and Chioma or BBN contestants is finally put up on nairaland...

Nope....surgery never start then look closely....

aribisala0:
It is clear from this that
You are young
You lack exposure

There are hundreds of NHS hospitals in the UK maybe one or two has a doctor as CEO in fact a doctor is almost never the CEO of NHS trusts

The training for MBBS does not prepare anyone to be CEO any more than pilot training qualifies a pilot to head an airline

A CEO is a person who understands and is traned in Management not technical training like a doctor

Your claim that doctors are the CEO of top hospitals in the world is wishful thnking. Provide evidence

Your English is embarrassing

what is "No any other"??

Haba!!

Most NHS encounter in the UK do not involve doctos but other clinicians.

Doctors are not the only clinicians and most people going to hospital do not need to see a doctor

Your assertions may sound good in Nigeria but the world has moved on ,a long time ago

Can't you johesu guys just write without insult? Debate maturely...... I posted an article above without insulting anybody....u started your own write up with insults.... If person call u..........something now. Una go dey bark. Please respect yourself

Jman06:
I can understand your bias doc. Your medical practice is what is putting food on your table right now, I don't expect objectivity from you on the matter. The plight of physiotherapists will be none of your concern right now.

If I may ask you doc, is medicine studied and practised only here in Nigeria How do medical doctors in the developed world manage to suppress their ego and relate well with other professionals in healthcare despite spending so many years in the university as well Those Canadian doctors that recently protested in favour of increased pay of other healthcare professionals, do they obtain their own medical qualifications from mars??

How do you justify starting a fresh graduate of MBBS in the civil service on grade level 12 while his counterparts who are pharmacists, physiotherapists or optometrists on level 9?? Take time and calculate the difference in terms of salary.

See, you people should stop all these your arguments of writing tough exams and studying hard. We all study hard and write tough exams too! Perhaps you don't know what students of pharmacy go through! They take both practicals and theory courses from the six departments that make up pharmacy, they write tough practical and theory exams every semester for 6 solid years! In some exams, you are required to synthesize a drug, formulate it and package it into a product within a few hours! They also juggle Between clinical rotations and their nonclinical classes. Many fail and get withdrawn along the line.

Talking about respect, nobody gets respected for merely studying a particular course. You are respected based on how you are able to utilize your knowledge to impact your society positively.
Besides, respect is reciprocal. You don't expect other healthcare professionals to respect you when you don't respect them.

If the Nigerian medical doctors want to be respected by other healthcare professionals, they should learn to respect others and their professions. They shouldn't try to open pharmacies and not employ a superintendent pharmacist until PCN comes to close down such pharmacies, they should employ qualified nurses and not train quacks as 'auxiliary nurses', they should respect the medical lab scientists by not employing lab technologists in place of medical lab scientists. The list is endless!
They not only disrespect the professionals by employing quacks, they also endanger patient's lives. Many have died as a result of this malpractice by Nigerian doctors.

Right from pharmacy school, pharmacists are trained on how to respect other healthcare professionals when working in a team. They take special courses in clinical pharmacy that prepares them to work in a team. Unfortunately, our medical doctor friends obviously do not receive such trainings, hence their mindless disrespect of healthcare professionals.

So, if the Nigerian medical doctors are ready for peace to reign in the healthcare sector, they should learn to accord respect to other healthcare professionals. Simple!

Really who says they don't respect....meanwhile note the respect u said is seen in foreign counties is because everyone those his or her job without encroaching on the other....putting the patient as the center of practice.... Everyone respects the others pay package without oju koro to into another's pay.....so please check it....make everybody face hin work abeg

I get really embarrassed by the amount of venom and bad blood existing between doctors and non doctors in Nigeria. Sincerely it is difficult for peace to reign when each group sees things only from their own perspective. What we need is mutual respect. All the professionals are important and indispensable in the provision of qualitative health care to our patients. For those of us who have had the unique privilege of training as a non doctor and also as a doctor it is easier to understand the sentiments from both sides. Now let me give a brief overview of my personal experience. I trained as a physiotherapist many years ago at OAU, this was purely out of choice and my first and second choices then was physiotherapy. Something happen to me during my NYSC year in Portharcourt that made me finally decided to go back to study medicine which I've actually been contemplating right from 300L in Ife. On a that faithful Friday night a young man was attacked and matcheted by hoodlums. The man was rushed to our hostel by some good Samaritan when they heard that there are some doctors there. As fate would have it, this guys knocked on my door violently and by the time I saw the injured man, I was simply overwhelmed. I did a little but of course I wasn't trainned as a physiotherapist to handle such case. I quickly dashed to me friend Dr. Chidi room who is also a corper. The calmness, expertise and confidence with which he handled the injured man made an indelible impression on me and from that day I vowed to study medicine. By the grace of God today I'm a consultant neurologist. Right from the undergraduate days and also during my period working as a physiotherapist, we had so much disdain and hatred for doctors. We see them as pompous, arrogant but in the real sense that is not always the case. Now that I've gone through the medical school and postgraduate training as a doctor I know what it means to be a doctor. For all my JOHESU brethren, you can't understand that feeling unless you experience it. A couple of my physiotherapy colleagues, nurses and pharmacist have gone back to medical school to study medicine. For those who want balanced perspective I appeal to you to interact with such people. In many countries one cannot even go and study medicine directly you must have a degree in science and health related courses. I was the best student in physiotherapy in my set at OAU in 1997, I didn't have to strain myself too much because the courses were semester courses and with minimal effort I scored A in most of my courses. Medical school is very different, the exam is a whole session that is one year, sometimes the exams even ask what you have done in previous classes. My morbid anatomy note alone was more than all the notes I had in 300L physiotherapy combined. I have experienced both sides and I want to appeal to my JOHESU brothers to give the doctors the respect they deserve. What you call arrogance most times is confidence and being authoritative which are ingredients essential to be a successful doctor. As a doctor, we have to show respect to all other health professionals, each profession is unique in its own right and we are interdependent on each other. Resolving the perennial squabbles between doctors and non doctors in Nigeria requires a fair and holistic assessment of the situation, I think the Yayale Ahmed committee came close to that. We have to adopt international best practice and modify it to suit our peculiarities here. I have made some recommendations earlier and have received knocks especially from the JOHESU group though one of them who is my close friend called and agreed with most of my points. We have to sit down, talk and negotiate the best formulae that can work for us. I will stop for now.
Dr omojowolo olubunmi
Bsc physiotherapy ife
MBBS Lagos
FMCP neurology
Consultant neurologist mainland hospital Lagos.
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Really.....all health personnel and professionals are greedy and selfish....clear cut...I feel the root of all these nonsense comes from the situation of this country
..everybody wan chop. Be that as it may you only find this nonsense happen in the public/government sector... Abeg let's privatise all....make everybody get him own department.... Medical lab scientists department.... Pathologist department...... Medical and surgical department....let all be paid per work and hours put in as obtainable in a standard setting.....if admin staff do call let him be paid but he does his work on call.....everybody will sit up....these nonsense in health sector its because we all crying for feeding bottle from the government.... Everybody can equally open shops and work.......leave the patients to decided who they go meet.....they will still need everyone by the way. In all.....they are all poppies crying to a failed state..

Really.....all health personnel and professionals are greedy and selfish....clear cut...I feel the root of all these nonsense comes from the situation of this country
..everybody wan chop. Be that as it may you only find this nonsense happen in the public/government sector... Abeg let's privatise all....make everybody get him own department.... Medical lab scientists department.... Pathologist department...... Medical and surgical department....let all be paid per work and hours put in as obtainable in a standard setting.....if admin staff do call let him be paid but he does his work on call.....everybody will sit up....these nonsense in health sector its because we all crying for feeding bottle from the government.... Everybody can equally open shops and work.......leave the patients to decided who they go meet.....they will still need everyone by the way. In all.....they are all poppies crying to a failed state.....

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR IS A FALL OUT OF ENVY AGAINST THE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

NO WONDER THE SUPPORT STAFF WOULDN'T TELL PATIENT'S THEY ARE NOT DOCTOR'S, BUT CONTINUE MASQUERADING AS ONE WHEN THE PATIENT'S IGNORANTLY CALLS THEM.

YOU CANNOT GAIN THE BENEFITS OF A DOCTOR AS A SUPPORT STAFF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THE UNIVERSITY DOORS IS STILL WIDE OPEN.

OUR MEDICAL PRACTICE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE BORROWED IT.
LET'S COPY FROM THE BEST.

When sensible guys wey just dey lowkey...average pay no shouting go dey ask this woman out....she no go gree oo.....instead na rich celebrity them go dey find. No excuse for shiiinaa ooo. But am sure maybe should probably could have been luckier with another man with less qualities on her check list.
Plus...the kain level of olosho...coded....parole ise just everywhere its well packaged...if man wey no one do go do.....slay queens everywhere.... IPhoneX with one that has never worked for a kobo in her life. Someone earning 300k per month self will think twice before buying all these jargons