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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 9:47pm On May 09, 2018
nelszx:

I'm not a lab scientist but a medical laboratory scientist. There are many lab scientist out there but very few are medical laboratory scientists.
Please always say what you know bruh
What is Anatomic/Morbid pathology? Simply put histopathology
When you say it's the difference what do you mean?
Because to my knowledge, medical laboratory scientists now excise biopsies, views and interprets histopathological and gynaecological/cytological slides.
Even in Nigeria, we have forensic scientists who by virtues of MLSCN act are practicing forensic science.



So what are you going to say next




I used to think doctors are intelligent people but with you the reverse is the case. I may not be intelligent as you claimed cheesy grin but I'm correcting intelligent lots

Now I'm really intrigued by your level of BS, if you dare take a biopsy from a patient, you will sleep in Kirikiri for the rest of your miserable life! Do you even know what a biopsy is? Do you realise a biopsy means part or whole of a specimen. You now want to take a Surgeon's job when you don't know anatomy? Lab scientist do not delve into histopathology, it is beyond your level of comprehension. Just because you can type and paste false information doesn't make it true. I am a surgeon and I will NEVER treat a patient based on a pathology report from a lab scientist. Abomination.

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 9:48pm On May 09, 2018
Amarabae:

You are really out for these people.
Fire on.
The heat is on them.
They want to suppress other profession in the health sector but they will keep failing..
That guys ignorance is longer than third mainland bridge. When you bring an intelligent argument and he doesn't have anything to say rather than name calling and telling you to go get JAMB form.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 9:58pm On May 09, 2018
Segeshow:


Now I'm really intrigued by your level of BS, if you dare take a biopsy from a patient, you will sleep in Kirikiri for the rest of your miserable life! Do you even know what a biopsy is? Do you realise a biopsy means part or whole of a specimen. You now want to take a Surgeon's job when you don't know anatomy? Lab scientist do not delve into histopathology, it is beyond your level of comprehension. Just because you can type and paste false information doesn't make it true. I am a surgeon and I will NEVER treat a patient based on a pathology report from a lab scientist. Abomination.

Now your problem is you can't comprehend simple English should I type it in Yoruba maybe you can understand. Look through the link I sent to you. I'm telling you not to make a fuss about histopathology because we now have MLS who are specialists in histopathology slide reporting and interpretation.
Mr intelligence open your head and let what you read sink in. You think medicine is practised in Nigeria alone. I'm giving you information from a corporate site and you call it false information oga ade use your phone it's a useful tool, always make it work.
Go online and if you see anything contrary come back and quote me with the link.
But for the time being, take a chill pill

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 10:04pm On May 09, 2018
Segeshow:


Now I'm really intrigued by your level of BS, if you dare take a biopsy from a patient, you will sleep in Kirikiri for the rest of your miserable life! Do you even know what a biopsy is? Do you realise a biopsy means part or whole of a specimen. You now want to take a Surgeon's job when you don't know anatomy? Lab scientist do not delve into histopathology, it is beyond your level of comprehension. Just because you can type and paste false information doesn't make it true. I am a surgeon and I will NEVER treat a patient based on a pathology report from a lab scientist. Abomination.
Because you practise traditional medicine in Nigeria doesn't mean it's like that everywhere. My guy leave Nigeria you will accept and work with a histopathology report from a medical laboratory scientist. No wonder you leave Nigeria and start as a senior medical officer when you travel abroad because they need to remove those shitty misconceptions from your head.

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 10:07pm On May 09, 2018
[quote author=nelszx post=67427006]

Now your problem is you can't comprehend simple English should I type it in Yoruba maybe you can understand. Look through the link I sent to you. I'm telling you not to make a fuss about histopathology because we now have MLS who are specialists in histopathology slide reporting and interpretation.
Mr intelligence open your head and let what you read sink in. You think medicine is practised in Nigeria alone. I'm giving you information from a corporate site and you call it false information oga ade use your phone it's a useful tool, always make it work.
Go online and if you see anything contrary come back and quote me with the link.
But for the time being, take a chill pill[/quote


Because to my knowledge, medical laboratory scientists now excise biopsies, views and interprets histopathological and gynaecological/cytological slides.

As i said earlier and reiterate once again, if you dare excise a biopsy from any patient in this country you will go to jail. Those lab scientists that interprete histopathology have to have an advanced diploma, not some fresh out of school B.sc lab scientist with grandiose delusions of his level of competence and proficiency. Know your place.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 10:14pm On May 09, 2018
Segeshow:

As i said earlier and reiterate once again, if you dare excise a biopsy from any patient in this country you will go to jail. Those lab scientists that interprete histopathology have to have an advanced diploma, not some fresh out of school B.sc lab scientist with grandiose delusions of his level of competence and proficiency. Know your place.

Now you have now come to terms that medical laboratory scientist interpret histopathology report (good we're making progress). Yes and I reiterate again those with advance diploma from the royal college of pathology.
Don't worry very soon (I mean very soon) it would start in Nigeria because we have to borrow well what we started wink
By the way it's not Bsc lab science but BMLS (Bachelors of Medical Lab Sci.).

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 10:31pm On May 09, 2018
nelszx:


Now you have now come to terms that medical laboratory scientist interpret histopathology report (good we're making progress). Yes and I reiterate again those with advance diploma from the royal college of pathology.
Don't worry very soon (I mean very soon) it would start in Nigeria because we have to borrow well what we started wink
By the way it's not Bsc lab science but BMLS (Bachelors of Medical Lab Sci.).

Joker. I now understand where your problem lies. You are comparing your half-baked qualifications with the lab scientists in the UK. Well till that day when pigs begin to fly and Nigerian surgeons begin to trust and equate the histopath reports of a lab scientist to that of their colleagues who have gone through and survived the rigors,sleepless nights and hardwork of a RESIDENCY training programme, the status quo remains. Guy accept, you have no idea what a histopathology slide looks like and to try to put yourself on the same level of competence and demand to be respected and remunerated as a physician simply won't happen. Go to bed and sleep on that.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 10:43pm On May 09, 2018
nelszx:


Now you have now come to terms that medical laboratory scientist interpret histopathology report (good we're making progress). Yes and I reiterate again those with advance diploma from the royal college of pathology.
Don't worry very soon (I mean very soon) it would start in Nigeria because we have to borrow well what we started wink
By the way it's not Bsc lab science but BMLS (Bachelors of Medical Lab Sci.).



It is obvious you have gone through great lengths to study what lab scientists in better climes are achieving by applying themselves to further their knowledge. Until such diplomas and advanced courses which are affiliated to medical educational boards mind you, gain recognition or rather begin to exist in Nigeria just don't waste your Internet data.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 10:49pm On May 09, 2018
Segeshow:


Joker. I now understand where your problem lies. You are comparing your half-baked qualifications with the lab scientists in the UK. Well till that day when pigs begin to fly and Nigerian surgeons begin to trust and equate the histopath reports of a lab scientist to that of their colleagues who have gone through and survived the rigors,sleepless nights and hardwork of a RESIDENCY training programme, the status quo remains. Guy accept, you have no idea what a histopathology slide looks like and to try to put yourself on the same level of competence and demand to be respected and remunerated as a physician simply won't happen. Go to bed and sleep on that.

As funny as this sounds, the BMLS guideline/curriculum adopted by Nigeria was actually developed by contemporaries in the UK the reason why there're no hitches as regards accepting a BMLS degree from Nigeria. If consultants in the UK can/are working with reports from a medical laboratory scientist you're rather insignificant. Your residency training is only useful in Nigeria cos outside Nigeria it's not recognised as such instead of a consultant you start as a senior medical officer.

What do you think clinical scientists do when undergoing training from RCPATH? To peel egusi

Don't worry we're medical laboratory scientist and not doctors, we'll get remunerated by what we do and not as physician but medical scientists. Imagine bringing remuneration into an argument that had no mention of it.

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 11:09pm On May 09, 2018
nelszx:


As funny as this sounds, the BMLS guideline/curriculum adopted by Nigeria was actually developed by contemporaries in the UK the reason why there're no hitches as regards accepting a BMLS degree from Nigeria. If consultants in the UK can/are working with reports from a medical laboratory scientist you're rather insignificant. Your residency training is only useful in Nigeria cos outside Nigeria it's not recognised as such instead of a consultant you start as a senior medical officer.

What do you think clinical scientists do when undergoing training from RCPATH? To peel egusi

Don't worry we're medical laboratory scientist and not doctors, we'll get remunerated by what we do and not as physician but medical scientists. Imagine bringing remuneration into an argument that had no mention of it.

No Uncle, the curriculum was developed by your lab scientist academics. You make it sound like you with your Bsc Lab Science can just hop on a plane and travel to the UK and start practicing. Why are you finding it difficult to understand that all I am trying to get into your deluded skull is that you are not in the UK, you do not have the requisite competence to claim to be a clinical pathologist. You are a bloody lab scientist in Nigeria who is trying to usurp the authority of your betters. The residency trained physicians. I say it again you are in Nigeria and your curriculum and training is not enough for you to start making unfounded claims based on achievements in climes where proper standardisation of qualifications are vetted.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by mediclife1987(m): 11:37pm On May 09, 2018
Oh boy I dey enjoy this show.... cheesy

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 11:54pm On May 09, 2018
Segeshow:


No Uncle, the curriculum was developed by your lab scientist academics. You make it sound like you with your Bsc Lab Science can just hop on a plane and travel to the UK and start practicing. Why are you finding it difficult to understand that all I am trying to get into your deluded skull is that you are not in the UK, you do not have the requisite competence to claim to be a clinical pathologist. You are a bloody lab scientist in Nigeria who is trying to usurp the authority of your betters. The residency trained physicians. I say it again you are in Nigeria and your curriculum and training is not enough for you to start making unfounded claims based on achievements in climes where proper standardisation of qualifications are vetted.
Hahaha I hear you
We are awarded BMLS degree not bsc lab sciences. If you have bsc in medical science no wahala.
When you make your enquiries come back and requote me.
Mr man I've never claimed to be a clinical pathologist in all my text and I'm working in ambiance with my job function and that I would jealously protect. Even in the UK the pathologists don't sign results generated by a medical scientist cos it is termed professional fraud and a jail sentence.
You are claiming surgeon (consultant/ in training), leave Nigeria and see reality.
Is it difficult for you to understand or learn simple comprehension?
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 11:54pm On May 09, 2018
mediclife1987:
Oh boy I dey enjoy this show.... cheesy

Show wey you start
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Basic123: 7:10am On May 10, 2018
Phayod777:
uhmmm......BRAVO to ur ignorance or to ur distorted perception about it. No wonder Nigeria health care system will never progress if ds is aw a conventional hospital shud b and shud b run. In health care NO PROFESSION IS THE LORD....it is a team work (espirit de corp).
There are many cases Pharmacists have to correct doctors prescription either because of wrong combination or dose related problem.....as little a drug is, it is also a poison....besides who gives u detailed information about d drugs to prescribe, who compounds d drug needed in d hospital esp for pediatrics and lots more. if from ur own view d work of a pharmacist is just to dispense then I don't think in developed countries they will see d need to employ clinical pharmacist, consultant pharmacist or even encourage pharmacy residency program.
Every profession is important.... even in developed countries u see a doctor referring a patient to a psychologist but in Nigeria they will say No o psychologist are unskilled and no nothing about patients mgt instead dy refer to a psychiatrist, not knowing dt dy r different entities and trained differently
once again every profession (Nurses, Lab scientists, Medical doctor, optometrist, Pharmacist, Health records, radiologist, Hospital attendant etc) is important and non is independent or master of all
SEEK, GET & APPRECIATE KNOWLEDGE.
Seeing it happen that way in Nigeria doesn't make it a perfect system
Mr man,they are all dependent on the doctors though non is master of all.

that is the fact,although, BITTER to the JOHESU members!
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by CarrilT(m): 11:49am On May 10, 2018
Really.....all health personnel and professionals are greedy and selfish....clear cut...I feel the root of all these nonsense comes from the situation of this country
..everybody wan chop. Be that as it may you only find this nonsense happen in the public/government sector... Abeg let's privatise all....make everybody get him own department.... Medical lab scientists department.... Pathologist department...... Medical and surgical department....let all be paid per work and hours put in as obtainable in a standard setting.....if admin staff do call let him be paid but he does his work on call.....everybody will sit up....these nonsense in health sector its because we all crying for feeding bottle from the government.... Everybody can equally open shops and work.......leave the patients to decided who they go meet.....they will still need everyone by the way. In all.....they are all poppies crying to a failed state.....
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by mediclife1987(m): 1:25pm On May 10, 2018
CarrilT:
Really.....all health personnel and professionals are greedy and selfish....clear cut...I feel the root of all these nonsense comes from the situation of this country
..everybody wan chop. Be that as it may you only find this nonsense happen in the public/government sector... Abeg let's privatise all....make everybody get him own department.... Medical lab scientists department.... Pathologist department...... Medical and surgical department....let all be paid per work and hours put in as obtainable in a standard setting.....if admin staff do call let him be paid but he does his work on call.....everybody will sit up....these nonsense in health sector its because we all crying for feeding bottle from the government.... Everybody can equally open shops and work.......leave the patients to decided who they go meet.....they will still need everyone by the way. In all.....they are all poppies crying to a failed state.....

Apt comment...
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by davbravo(m): 2:16pm On May 10, 2018
Segeshow:

Guy accept, you have no idea what a histopathology slide looks like and to try to put yourself on the same level of competence and demand to be respected and remunerated as a physician simply won't happen. Go to bed and sleep on that.
This is so funny. Even as a student I know what a Histopathology slide looks like.....
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 3:35pm On May 10, 2018
davbravo:
This is so funny. Even as a student I know what a Histopathology slide looks like.....

Don't mind that guy, he later changed his stance on that. When you present someone fact beyond reasonable doubt thats what they end up doing (being defensive and resort to insults). They/he feel(s) we go to school to break/peel egusi grin
He wants me to accept i dont know what histopathology slide looks like cheesy grin more like asking him if he knows what an ovary looks like.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Segeshow: 6:05pm On May 10, 2018
nelszx:


Don't mind that guy, he later changed his stance on that. When you present someone fact beyond reasonable doubt thats what they end up doing (being defensive and resort to insults). They/he feel(s) we go to school to break/peel egusi grin
He wants me to accept i dont know what histopathology slide looks like cheesy grin more like asking him if he knows what an ovary looks like.


Uncle, you claimed you and your lab scientists can "excise" a biopsy. Complete trash. Your obsession with comparing your training with those abroad and demanding equal recognition is trash. Why do Doctors in the US have personalised license plates indicating they are doctors and are given parking privileges? We actually do the saving of lives while you people sit on your asses all day spewing misleading results and "treating" patients you have neither taken a history from or examined in your private quack establishments. The Doctor is and always will be head of the medical team. I can function without you and depend on results from colleagues who are pathologist. You can't do the same. If I don't admit a patient you will be as useful as an ear on the elbow.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by nelszx: 8:30pm On May 10, 2018
Segeshow:



Uncle, you claimed you and your lab scientists can "excise" a biopsy. Complete trash. Your obsession with comparing your training with those abroad and demanding equal recognition is trash. Why do Doctors in the US have personalised license plates indicating they are doctors and are given parking privileges? We actually do the saving of lives while you people sit on your asses all day spewing misleading results and "treating" patients you have neither taken a history from or examined in your private quack establishments. The Doctor is and always will be head of the medical team. I can function without you and depend on results from colleagues who are pathologist. You can't do the same. If I don't admit a patient you will be as useful as an ear on the elbow.

grin grin grin
Okay sir
Whether you like admit a patient or not, should the patient require laboratory service or any other services to get well, he'd come it's not something under your control (let that sink in). He's there to get well not to look at your face.

Well I work in a hospital owned by a foreign trained Nigerian doctor not with this your mentality (that has replaced the patient with yourself) but rather places the patient at the centre of all the health professionals. Every individual with his/her own role to play to make the patient get well. Once a patients leaves the doctors office and enters mine he becomes my patient etc. Even rounds everybody contributes as it's open to all (well exposed individual who knows what personalised medicine is all about).

If you know or see any medical laboratory scientist treating a patient call the police and get him arrested as that is not part of his job function so he's an impostor (I repeat not every lab scientist is a medical laboratory scientist). It's a simple cycle with everyone involved (patient based care), the more you understand this process the better our hospital and/or your patients. If you feel I will be as useful as an ear on the elbow, send your patients home as you are the omniknoweth

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by bhlesingglory(m): 6:43am On May 11, 2018
mediclife1987:
THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interpret the X-ray in the light of the clinical information gathered from the requesting DOCTOR and write a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency. The radiographer has no training to interpret this test.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit use the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the patient blood/tissue samples to the laboratory and requests the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test . He may even request the DOCTOR in the Lab(PATHOLOGIST) to do the test/more sophisticated tests himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report in the light of clinical expertise and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency. He may choose to go to the emergency himself to evaluate the patient further and liases with the index doctor on the need for more or a different type of test to help treat the patient better. The medical laboratory scientist HAS NO CONTACT with the patient and is not trained to interpret results as they are not medically qualified to do so.

-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and ask for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.

-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not fit to go or discharge the patient if he is good.

-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR instructs the NURSE on the treatment plan and type of nursing care required for the patient. The PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER are involved only when the need arise only as support staff. They can never take a decision on the CARE of the patient.

If Surgery is required, the DOCTOR CARRIES IT OUT and bears the risk and responsibility it requires including litigation.

But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.

-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFY him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergoes extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR IS A FALL OUT OF ENVY AGAINST THE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

NO WONDER THE SUPPORT STAFF WOULDN'T TELL PATIENT'S THEY ARE NOT DOCTOR'S, BUT CONTINUE MASQUERADING AS ONE WHEN THE PATIENT'S IGNORANTLY CALLS THEM.

YOU CANNOT GAIN THE BENEFITS OF A DOCTOR AS A SUPPORT STAFF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THE UNIVERSITY DOORS ARE STILL WIDE OPEN.

OUR MEDICINE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE BORROWED IT.
LET'S COPY FROM THE BEST.


Just wondering nio, where does a physiotherapist come into play in all you have written?
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Nobody: 9:42am On May 14, 2018
thesicilian:

Let the support staff run the hospitals. When they have run things aground, their employers will come looking for the doctor. I don't see any reason why any doctor should drag a government hospital post with his much distant inferiors when he could easily as well set up his own private establishment and employ those same support staff, or just travel abroad where he is appreciated.
Very soon what happened in Obasanjo's tenure will start happening again: the government officials will have to go abroad to beg our doctors to come back home.
You were lied to in school that's the problem...it's more a case of a child who was lied to about his father being God while growing but now refusing to accept the reality of the man his dad truly is...deception is really dangerous.
We all meet the patients need at different points of care.
You keep on yelling international beat practices yet calling other health professionals distant inferior.
Obasanjo pleaded with economic experts and many other professionals to return home to build the country...not just the drs.
I don't know who planted this empty ego in you. Much learnings should make you humble not puffing you up...that's the difference between an educated and an illiterate.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Nobody: 10:06am On May 14, 2018
Segeshow:


Joker. I now understand where your problem lies. You are comparing your half-baked qualifications with the lab scientists in the UK. Well till that day when pigs begin to fly and Nigerian surgeons begin to trust and equate the histopath reports of a lab scientist to that of their colleagues who have gone through and survived the rigors,sleepless nights and hardwork of a RESIDENCY training programme, the status quo remains. Guy accept, you have no idea what a histopathology slide looks like and to try to put yourself on the same level of competence and demand to be respected and remunerated as a physician simply won't happen. Go to bed and sleep on that.
the university system that trains the laboratory scientists is also the system training the drs so if the universities are producing half baked lab scientists what kind of drs do you think they are producing? half baked i guess!
Nigeria drs write like other health workers are not schooled at all... If you truly went to school i know you took your pharmacology at the faculty of pharmacy and I also believe you have many pharmacy students as friends... do they undergo stress and sleepless nights? do they have social life, extracurricular activities and et al? If you ll be truthful to yourself, In the universities what department do other students fear the most?
I used to have a medical friend in school who was always bossing around bragging about how tedious and difficult medicine is but eventually got withdrawn from the programme and in our search for a new department, i suggested she gets the change of course form for pharmacy only for her to admit that if she couldn't survive medicine is it pharmacy she will come and do? at that point she accepted the obvious. In the first place pharmacy will never accept her...It has never been done...If you can't survive medicine, pharmacy will be a more difficult place for you and this is the fact so this mentality of only drs are better educated is nothing but falsehood.
Health care is a team and joint effort. We are greater and better when we work together.

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Jman06(m): 10:13am On May 14, 2018
The patient does not come to the hospital to "see doctor" but to get treated.
Are doctors movies

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by thesicilian: 10:24am On May 14, 2018
DABMarkNig2019:

You were lied to in school that's the problem...it's more a case of a child who was lied to about his father being God while growing but now refusing to accept the reality of the man his dad truly is...deception is really dangerous.
We all meet the patients need at different points of care.
You keep on yelling international beat practices yet calling other health professionals distant inferior.
Obasanjo pleaded with economic experts and many other professionals to return home to build the country...not just the drs.
I don't know who planted this empty ego in you. Much learnings should make you humble not puffing you up...that's the difference between an educated and an illiterate.
It is always easy to know when a so called JOHESU talks, speech always filled with venom, insults and disguised hatred.
Do you know that inferiority complex is worse than superiority complex (which you call ego and acuse the doc of)? Why on Earth would a trained licensed Pharmacist or a Nurse (whether BSc or RN) equate him or herself with a janitor or a laboratory technician ("JOHESU"wink just to fight a perceived common enemy?
The smallest toe is a very important part of the body and if anything were to happen to it one may never remain the same; in short it's even possible it might lead to death, but does that make the toe as important as the brain? Or the heart?
Each man is vital to the organization, but not at the same level. And only a CEO with low self-esteem would want to equate himself with the janitor 'for peace to reign'

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by femianski: 11:37am On May 14, 2018
[quote author=Segeshow post=67427214][/quote] the MLS students do work on histopathology slides here in UCH bro and there are
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by femianski: 11:38am On May 14, 2018
[quote author=Segeshow post=67427214][/quote]the MLS students do work on histopathology slides here in UCH bro
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by Gr8amechi: 4:12pm On May 14, 2018
DABMarkNig2019:

the university system that trains the laboratory scientists is also the system training the drs so if the universities are producing half baked lab scientists what kind of drs do you think they are producing also? half baked.
Nigeria drs write like other health workers are not schooled at all... If you truly went to school i know you took your pharmacology at the faculty of pharmacy and I also believe you have many pharmacy students as friends... do they undergo stress and sleepless nights? do they have social life, extracurricular activities and et al? If you ll be truthful to yourself, In the universities what department do other students fear the most?
I used to have a medical friend in school who was always bossing around bragging about how tedious and difficult medicine is but eventually got withdrawn from the programme and in our search for a new department, i suggested she gets the change of course form for pharmacy only for her to admit that if she couldn't survive medicine is it pharmacy she will come and do? at that point she accepted the obvious. In the first place pharmacy will never accept her...It has never been done...If you can't survive medicine, pharmacy will be a more difficult place for you and this is the fact so this mentality of only drs are better educated is nothing but falsehood.
Health care is a team and joint effort. We are greater and better when we work together.
I beg to disagree, maybe it's the person in question I know people back in my class that were withdrawn from med school and went on to pharmacy and broke records.
It's not absolute

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Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by mediclife1987(m): 2:11am On May 18, 2018
thesicilian:

Let the support staff run the hospitals. When they have run things aground, their employers will come looking for the doctor. I don't see any reason why any doctor should drag a government hospital post with his much distant inferiors when he could easily as well set up his own private establishment and employ those same support staff, or just travel abroad where he is appreciated.
Very soon what happened in Obasanjo's tenure will start happening again: the government officials will have to go abroad to beg our doctors to come back home.

This time around, no one will fall for such scam.
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by phase1: 10:35am On Jun 02, 2018
nelszx:

Because you practise traditional medicine in Nigeria doesn't mean it's like that everywhere. My guy leave Nigeria you will accept and work with a histopathology report from a medical laboratory scientist. No wonder you leave Nigeria and start as a senior medical officer when you travel abroad because they need to remove those shitty misconceptions from your head.

I have a friend (was my room mate while in medical school) he finished medicine and travelled abroad and was shocked that he would not be even allowed to practice as a phlebotomist (a job below the level of laboratory assistant in the medical laboratory hierachy) without adequate certification. He thought his 'almighty' nigerian MBBS degree covered that already.

cheesy cheesy
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by MrBigiman: 12:00pm On Jun 02, 2018
mediclife1987:


Very well spoken, you have really tutored me well on what I had no idea about.

I'm really sorry for my outbursts up there. Please kindly pardon me.

This is the way forward.

Quite shameful to retreat to a charlatan @Medclif. You had a good post, but allowed the charlatans opinion sway ur stream of thought. A Medical laboratory scientist can never no matter his years of experience be termed a pathologist, instead the same body regulates laboratory practice in advance Climes. This would be fought against by MLS, which seek unholy autonomy.

Below is a link to the Organogram or pathways for laboratory Medicine in the UK, their training and qualification are also spelt out clearly.

Johesu is a cancer that must either be excised or burns radiotherapeutically, any pallying with them is playing with fire.

https://www.rcpath.org/discover-pathology/i-want-a-career-studying.html
Re: The Patient Comes To The Hospital To See The Doctor. by MrBigiman: 12:02pm On Jun 02, 2018
phase1:


I have a friend (was my room mate while in medical school) he finished medicine and travelled abroad and was shocked that he would not be even allowed to practice as a phlebotomist (a job below the level of laboratory assistant in the medical laboratory hierachy) without adequate certification. He thought his 'almighty' nigerian MBBS degree covered that already.

cheesy cheesy

Cheap lies. May ur lies catch u with u.

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