Anas09:

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This supreme being, does it have a name?

Oh yes, He is known by many names given to him by different tribes. I will name few of them, which you already know, they are ;

YHWH

THE COSMIC

JEHOVAH

SUPREME GOD

FATHER

Etc

Anas09:


My Purpose of studying God whose name is YHWH, is to know how to live according to His Divine Design. God created this earth, and created man to dominate it. He did not create the earth and stepped aside, no. He intended to be part and parcel of what man did here, but Man out of rebellion got himself distracted, hence lost out on the Grand Divine Design. To get man back on track, YHWH stepped down Himself, took up a human body in other to teach me how to know him personally, and how to get back into the Design which is eternal. This is why i study to know God, for in Him i live, i move and have my being. Without Him, there's no me.

Very good. Tell me, did you just wake up one morning to these your conclusion on YHWH? Or you studied deeply, pondered deeply, researched deeply, asked questions from qualified people, in other for you to know more about YHWH?

Anas09:
Oh. Sorry.

No offence taken

orunto27:
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Thanks. Our Power of Prayers will remove Buhari and Atiku giving ways to any of Osinbajo, Saraki and Sowore.

i think the election will be atikulated.

Anas09:

Being a Christan does not stop me from studying Occult!!!!

My question has been, 'For what purpose tho?'.

I asked you if you believed that satan created this world and everything in it. If that is the case, then the things you earlier mentioned as the benefits of studying occultism will be attributed to satan as his creations, but if not, why not come out clearly and tell the world what the occult really do?

God created the entire earth and everything in it, He created all the things you mention as usefulness for me. But to understand their usefulness i must leave the Creator and go to another creature and, pls teach me how to use these things.

E make sense?

The Occult of the Christendom!!!!!. Hmmm interesting. I'm really interested in this. What is the Occult of Christendom pls. and pls do not talk about this outside of out Bible from where our is derived.

And, being young in Christ, as in, a new convert, hence being under study to know who you are in Christ, and your rights in the Covenant is not the same things as saying things are kept from you to be revealed later. If there are such kept secret knowledge, pls let's hear them.


Does your bolded imply that Christ Occultism?

Have you ever heard that the Bible study is done in secret, hidden from light with only a select few?

I will really need to know how knowing more about Christ is Occultism, because if that's the case, then am on my way to being an Occult Guru, because my hunger to know about Christ is very deep.

* What is your purpose of studying the works of God?
* There is a Supreme Being who is the creator of all things, i didnt attribute that to satan *

* What the occult really does, when followed on the right path, is that it helps men reach illumination.

* I have had series of discussions with great pastors and imams (identities withheld), on why they don't reveal everything to their members, do you know what their response have always been? That they can't. Why? Because most of the people will misuse the teachings due to immaturity. So they prefer to reveal and explain more on the mysteries to certain members, who has showed maturity in the scriptures, that have been watched closely and studied under their own eyes.

* You have answered your question, dont forget the meaning of the word "Occult".

Make i work small.

Anas09:

You didn't get my point. This is not directed at an individual. We are talking about hidden things done by the dark people in secret nah. So i asked if you have ever wondered why sinful you hide to commit sin. This is not directed at you personally.

No one is perfect, yes. But my point is, the activities that defile and make us imperfect are done in secret, hiding in the dark.

Satan is synonymous to Darkness. He is the King of the Kingdom of darkness. Occult is darkness.

On sorry, now i get your point.

But the concept of "sin" is trickery and broad, in the sense that what one considers sin in one part of the world, might not be seen as sin at the other part of the world. This is why the law "Love your neighbour as your self" is considered universal.

Good people also dish out acts of kindness in secret but conceals their identity from the public. So not all things done in secret are dark and evil.

Occult is darkness? So it is darkness, for someone seeking to know more about mathematics, geography, history, biology, etc?

I know you studied maths as one of your subjects in school, but do you know that the greatest minds that invented mathematics, that made sure it was been studied in schools, were Occultist?

I will stop here for now

Anas09:

You didn't get my point. This is not directed at an individual. We are talking about hidden things done by the dark people in secret nah. So i asked if you have ever wondered why sinful you hide to commit sin. This is not directed at you personally.

No one is perfect, yes. But my point is, the activities that defile and make us imperfect are done in secret, hiding in the dark.

Satan is synonymous to Darkness. He is the King of the Kingdom of darkness. Occult is darkness.

On sorry, now i get your point.

But the concept of "sin" is trickery and broad, in the sense that what one considers sin in one part of the world, might not be seen as sin at the other part of the world. This is why the law "Love your neighbour as your self" is considered universal.

Good people also dish out acts of kindness in secret but conceals their identity from the public. So not all things done in secret are dark and evil.

Occult is darkness? So it is darkness, for someone seeking to know more about mathematics, geography, history, biology, etc?

I know you studied maths as one of your subjects in school, but do you know that the greatest minds that invented mathematics, that made sure it was been studied in schools, were Occultist?

orunto27:
ccarefulwind2, please let us know what is Darkness.
It is God, The Supreme Spirit, that was at the Beginning. And He said, let there be Light. Light came out of Darkness and God was having the two, Darkness & Light, in His Hand. The Light He used to produce Adam & Eve and eventually Jesus & Mary, openly before our eyes.
In Darkness God keeps Satan and the Occult things to serve His Pleasures.
God is Spirit, Sacred and Secret. Light can always come back to Darkness but in Spirit, Sacred and Secret. And This is Prayer-The Long Spoon needed to touch The Occult.
Jesus prayed to make Mud to heal The Blind. That is using a Long Spoon to use The Occult.
In other words, "Prayer is The Key to touch The Occult".

from my own experience, humility has to be added at one point, to help gain insights into enquries. So the combo of prayers and humility, has proven to be one of the great tools in the hands of seekers on that path. However, one has to be cautious about the things he or she finds along these path.

orunto27:
ccarefulwind2, very good. That is why everybody needs a teacher, to teach and show one how its done. The Long Spoon or Pole we need is Prayer to teach us what is hidden.

on these, i agree

Anas09:

You mean all of these have their Sources is Occultism?

As far as you and i know, Occultism is satanic. Going by your assertion, you imply that Satan created the Universe?

See, the emojis you used? It's says, even you don't believe in your position.

Let me come and be going to Church before i'll be late.

CatchYu.

To know more about life, you have to know the deep things that defines and move it. * creator of the universe? I'll prefer not to discuss about satan as an entity on these thread* . * My emoji? What is the essence of discussing a matter like these, without a symbol that incites humor, to encourage more imputs from contributors on the thread. My emoji is an expression (smile) on my face, on my own part.* * i hoped you prayed for all of us yesterday, while in church? *

Anas09:


Wonder why you hide to commit sin?

Lol... Are you trying to tell me that before reading these post, you have not sinned against yourself and man? Have you not lied before to someone, for your own gain?

My friend, no body is perfect, we only work towards perfection.

Anas09:

Fair enough. However, it says that Occult has to do with Secret or hidden knowledge meant for a few people. Why then did you summoned me to discuss Occult knowledge knowing fully well that i am a Christian?

Everything about Christ is open.

Satan is known to hide in people, in objects and in ideas. he wants to remain hidden because anytime he is exposed, his adherence dumps him. He remains a mystery and powerful to his adherence as long as he remains hidden.

I know who Satan is. I know limit of his power. I know what he can and can not do. he seizes to be imposing to me long ago.

He is a coward, like a timid child, that why he hides. He hides in tricks. He creates fear in people and make them surrender their Will power and Choices to him, then he leads them away from the Divine Design, which is God.

He leads people away from light to hidden darkness to the fires of Hell. He knows those he can lie to, not me anymore.

Wonder why you hide to commit sin?

The occult is not a religion, humans created religion. So being a Christian does not stop you from studying the occult.

Everything about Christ is open (i agree), but not for everyone. Why do you think they have baby Christians? Because there are some knowledge that are only meant for them at that stage, until when proven to be a good and mature convert, then gradually, they will be introduced into the hidden knowledge (occult) of the Christendom.

So now knowing occult is satanic? Very funny. Do you want to tell me that people trying to know Christ more deeply, are getting themselves into satanic territories?

ugnoble:


What does it require to learn about the occult ways?

The simplest, is to have an open mind to know and to learn, because what you will discover and learn, will check the very core foundation of your beliefs.

However, whenever you are ready, your teacher will appear.

Peace

Aaronsrod:


Thus we are being punished and shall perish as a people according to the will of Almighty God!

It is well. Let us go tomorrow once more unto the house of the Lord God of Israel and praise Him!!

For the sins of our forefathers, we must die!

Selah!

The Lord Jesus Christ has sorted out these for us and has given us hope. Fear not my brother.

Rossikki:


Bullshiit. Any racial diversity occurred after they had fled Jerusalem following the Roman invasion, and lived among other peoples. The original Israelites who lived in ancient Israel were a black people, most of whom fled into Africa after the fall of their kingdom. Why would they flee to Europe, in the same direction their invaders came from? Nobody ever does that.

Kindly provide us proofs or links to your claim, thanks.

Oluwasaeon:
Ehn pray fervently in reality

Anas09:

So let's have the differences then.

One of the members on these thread has already explained it, but let elaborate on it a little.

Occult: The occult (from the Latin word occultus
"hidden, secret" is "knowledge of the hidden" as opposed to facts of the measurable. It is knowledge meant only for certain people or knowledge which must be kept hidden. It is also the study of deeper spiritual reality that extends pure reasoning and the physical sciences.

While

Cultism: Cult (Latin word Cultus "inhabited, cultivated, worshipped) is usually referred to a social group, defined by its religious, spiritual or philosophical beliefs, on its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. Groups said to cults, range in size, from local groups with few members to international groups with millions. This word (Cult) has been used as an attack against groups with different doctrines of practices.

Now you know the Big difference

Anas09:

Being an Occultist must have it's benefits right? Lets have them, then i will discuss.

The Benefits are enormous. However, i will list some of them, for the benefit of those reading.

As an Occultist, you will have the benefit of knowing the deep knowledge of..

Astronomy

Mathematics

Botany

Literature

Anatomy

Music

Science

Numerology

Sigils

History

The different names of God

Angels

Dreams and its interpretations

Thought Transference

Thoughts on the nature of paintings

How to protect your mind, soul and body from evil interference

Symbols

Meditation

Visualization

The list goes on and on

Permit to say must of the top pastors, Rev. Fathers, Imams, etc are Occultist. How do you think they manage to give accurate advice to their followers from different works of life? Through the Occult (Hidden Knowledge not meant for certain people)

Anas09:
very correct. that's why i choose Christ.

Anas09:
Are these the benefits i asked for?

You didn't ask me of any benefits on these thread

orunto27:
*When you don't know how it is done, you fear it and stay away from being unequally yoked with it*.

That is why everybody needs a teacher, to teach and show one how its done.

There is no way you will know how to bake bread, except a teacher teaches you how to bake bread. If you go ahead to bake it without proper training, you risk having a running stomach, which will be very bad for your health. That is how it is

orunto27:
Occult system is trickish, secretive and wicked. When you don't know how it is done, you fear it and stay away from being unequally yoked with it.

Occult system is trickish (i agree, that is why you need adept to lead you) , secretive (i agree, because the knowledge is not meant for dogs and pigs) and wicked ( i disagree, knowledge is for the good of everyone, but when used, to harm your fellow man, you the user becomes wicked and evil. Just like a gun in the hands of a man, if he uses it for his own protection, then its ok by all, but if he uses it to harm an innocent fellow man, then he is considered wicked and evil, and these is highly frowned at, by the Supreme Being and by humans).

Nostradamus:
Occult=hidden

Even the medical terminologies is 'occult' in a way.
People(africans notably) fear what they don't know.am interested in this discuss sha.

On point sir. Permit me to also add that even understanding of the revelations, healing, miracles in general, etc, is "occult" in a way.

My friend, many people perish, due to fear and lack of understanding.

You welcome on board.

efe35L:


Accept Jesus today or Rot in hell. He is coming soon

Are you now passing Judgement on me because of my practices?

Or is it not the same bible that we both have read, where it says in the book of

*Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned *

Hmmm... Hypocrites everywhere, i'm marveled!

Please don't be a religious fanatic

Anas09:

Satanic knowledge is a waste for a Christian, for we are warned to keep off the deep things of satan.

Tell me, how is it satanic, for one to have the interest in wanting to know more about specific things.

Is it also satanic for one to know how the Russians or the Chinese people defend themselves against foreign attacks on their land? Or i'm i also warned to keep off too?

MiddleDimension:

arant nonsense!

you welcome on board

Ranchhoddas:
Maestro I salute!

You welcome on board

LandlordHopeful:
cult
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.


Christianity is a cult based on the supposed sacrifice of a supposed demigod/god/human

All religions are cult in nature but not all cults are religion based


Why is Christianity seen as okay while other less popular religions are branded "Occultic"? its simply popularity. Just like the fashion industry, if a few people are wearing a particular bizarre style or haircut they'll be branded "bad" "area boys" "idiots" and laughed at behind their backs but as soon as these few people grow in numbers it becomes something "okay" and even encouraged. Christianity got popular but started as just a cult


Cults are small and generally ignored and despised. Religions are big and generally accepted. Cults grow into religions but the bigotry remains the same. The bigotry then becomes acceptable

Phil Edisbury, Wick, UK

A religion is a cult which has become acceptable

Richard., None. UK.

Thanks for making it easy for us, you are welcome

Anas09:
@Op.
About May this year, while out for Evangelism, i met this very interesting Man. After i ministered Christ to him, he wanted us to talk more about Jesus. He was full of questions, so we scheduled another meeting. We kept meeting to talk. He brought in his wife into our meetings.

He opened up to me what he was going 2ru. Now, this guy is in a mess. nothing around him works. Its so bad that his kids do not eat twice in a day. There's no poverty around him per say, but he is living in penury. Why? he was raised in a home with every thing as his father is loaded but steep in the Ogboni Fraternity.

As an only Son, his father informed him early about his replacement in the coven, initially he followed him to their meetings, but wouldn't enter inside. Just for him to get the jerk and get use to it.

While in the Uni, he met a lecturer who introduced him to the Amorch. He began studying with them. He told his lecturer about his father, the guy convinced him that Amorch was more prestigious, so he dished his father. When the time for his initiation came, he refused to do it. He told his father he'd find his own way. And, he did.

Fast forward to now. He is married with kids. Things were okay initially as he rolled with this crowd. He discovered that the society is run by a network of Occult men in different frats. Then one day from no where, his sponsor and mentor in Amorch, called him to a private meeting, telling to quit ASAP becos he was drawing nearer to deeper levels of satanism. He had gone deep,but not as deep as his Oga.

Oga said he wants out and all his underlines had been told to leave if they thought more of the After Life. He said, in one of his Astral projections, he encountered an entity different from them and it wasn't funny. He said he believed that was Jesus and that he wanted to research and explore on that.

When he was convinced that it was Jesus he had encountered he decided to serve him instead. So he summoned his converts with info that he was leaving.

This man said, he left too. But both him and his master did not embrace Jesus fully, his master was messed up then killed. Him? things began spiralling down to the ground. By now his Father was not talking to him. But, haven lost everything and can hardly feed, he went back to his father begging and accepted to get initiated, he said his father looked at him knowingly and said 'I have been waiting, i knew you'd come'.

He was told to get ready and stand by. in the interim, he ran into an old friend from school who had become stuffed, he wanted to know, so he was told. He accepted go on with the rituals. He didn't want to belong to Frat. but wanted money.

He provided the requirements and they moved to Benin to meet with the witchdoctor. He said he was surprised to hear the Native doctor conclude his incantations with in Jesus name. He said he was shaken because he knows that in the gathering of the spirits, the name Jesus, spoils things.

Now, he was in debt as his friend had borrowed him the money he used to buy stuff, and the baba has just spoiled everything by mentioning Jesus here. Others responded amen, but he didn't. When they were to leave, he withdrew and asked the Baba why he did that, the Baba said, no one can really get anything outside of Jesus. That Jesus is the Highest of them all.

He said, he was quiet all through the 5hours journey back. When he got back, his father called and said 'It's tonight by 12, we leave by 11 pm'. He was still conflicted, he told his Dad he had changed his mind. He father blew off the top. He talking about his reputation and all, but he couldn't go on knowing it will end up nowhere if it's not Jesus.

I just sat there listening to this man. He knows that the Occult leads nowhere but destruction. We are studying the Bible and he has started attending Church. pray the Lord will sustain him.

Him and his father are sworn enemies now.

In life, there is always the ups and down to it.

Everybody has a freewill to live the way he or she wants to live.

Deckline:
Dear Op, If you are proud of being part of the occult,by all means,you are free. Its useless trying to convince you about its destructiveness when you already made your decision not to change because of the vile gains.
behold I come quickly and my rewards with me to give unto every man according as his work shall be

What *destructiveness* are you talking about? A knife can be used in destroying someone's life, yet that same knife can also be used in cutting vegetables for consumption.

Kindly state the vile gains for me and others to know.

When you point a finger at someone's face, the rest fingers points back at you.

Anas09:

I will be part of this discussion if you'd give me 10 benefits i will get from it.

I don't understand, benefits you will get from the discussion or from being an occultist?

Anas09:

What is the Big diff. between Occult and Occultism?

What i said was, their is a big difference between Occult and *Cultism*.