₦airaland Forum

Not a lot used this month but used an additional 50GB on glo mifi.

psalmsjob:
It all depends on what your priority or deficiency is and I can see that money is yours so you think having money solves everything even marital issues but let me ask you if youthink being rich had anything to do with the Christain couple who got divorced 3 months after because the wife refuse to leave her former church and join her husbands church.

Just take her advice and stop arguing with yourself money ain't everything love is and that's what matters most.

I mentioned in my comment that "Rich people do have marital problems as well". And money isn't one of my problems (I'm not rich but I'm content with God's provision), I'm just speaking for the poor masses.

Good advice she shared, but where there's poverty, unexpected problems arise. The biggest mistake she made was expecting the average Nigerian to live like her, which isn't possible.

She's married to a wealthy man. Of course it'll be easier for her to maintain a healthy relationship with him. Rich people do have marital problems as well, but it's easier to avoid or prevent those problems when money isn't an issue.

Valto:
thanks for understanding. i tried posting a picture yesterday and i was banned 6 consecutive times,the bots allows picture or post anytime it likes

That's a dumb bot, LOL. Seun needs to upgrade this forum. It's sorely outdated.

Valto:
and i have been here for 16yrs. truly thousands from this thread have bought from me and i deeply appreciate and very grateful for the patronage. if u don't patronise me, doesn't mean others wouldn't, its your money,your choice this world is big for everybody.
in conclusion.years and months back i used to include prices which everyone in this thread can attest to,until seun introduced a hyperactive anti-spam bot here.

I believe the bot can't read images, so you could circumvent it by adding the prices to the images using your photo editor. A lot of potential buyers like to see prices displayed with advertised products instead of having to make an extra effort to contact the advertiser for prices. Not saying you're doing anything wrong, but the absence of prices could be costing you sales.

CuteMaro:
Just saw your video. Haisic performed quite well for the price.

So apparently, the most popular brands flying around here have been short changing customers

Buyers beware, stop buying names. The best bang for your bucks apparently are;

DIY from Valto and Mrreed (Untested though)
Deriy
Firman
LVtopsun
Deye
in no particular order.
and Haisic.

Chief please test Sako if you can, those guys have suffered some bad PR in the past, maybe they can use this opportunity to redeem themselves.

I wish someone would test Valto and Mrreed batteries as well.

Those tests would give potential buyers more confidence to patronize our local battery brands because there's a huge lack of trust in Nigerian-made products.

But everyone's testing only the popular foreign brands because they know those will attract more views.

sprints1:
Glad I stopped watching this show after COVID. Since the day I knew they script this show and the participants force their fake character on us. I lost interest.

Can you prove it is scripted or did you just assume that?

I don't understand the hate. The show is pretty entertaining. I hardly watch it, my gf does all the time, but when I do, I enjoy it.

I think the man must have met Neymar at least once in his life. By the way, very silly of him to have given everything to Neymar when there are so many poor people that would benefit much more from his vast wealth.

WorldRichest:
And these are the people that think we will ever allow one of them to rule Nigeria. It will never happen

See this one. Keep your presidency. Shey na ur person dey there now. U no follow everybody dey suffer am? Abi u think say Tinubu send u?

Since it's for maintenance purposes, it's actually a good thing.

mctfopt:
No, you can't do that.

The highest current the BMS can handle is 150A.

This is a 12.8v nominal battery.

12.8 X 150 = 1920 watts.

You can only draw more than 1920w if this battery allows connection in series. Eg you can draw twice that wattage ie 12.8x2 = 25.6v. Multiply by 150A will give you 3840 watts.

This is the reason most people run bigger loads at higher inverter system voltage ie 48v and above.

In industrial system we have Deye that can run up to 800v battery.and above. At that level even with a 100A BMS that's an incredible amount of power.

Thanks for the clear explanation. This should be talked about more as I previously had no idea that batteries have output limits. I thought only the inverter determined the limit. Thanks again.

Hello house, I just discovered that lithium batteries have a max output power but don't really understand what it means. And I haven't seen anyone talking about it on this thread.

For example, the Cworth 2.56KWH lithium battery has a max output power of 1920W. Does this mean I won't be able to power an appliance that has a surge of 2500W even if I have a 5000W inverter connected to this Cworth 2.56KWH battery?

Trippledots:
There is 3.6kwh 12v battery available in the market now. Pair that with a hybrid 12v 1.5kva inverter. That would serve if your load is not more than the inverter can handle.

Thanks

dollarnaira:
The question is : what is your max load?
The way 12v is degraded makes it look as if it can only power a fan. The poster above is right though as per comparing 48v to 12v. But that angle of thicker cable is too too exaggerating as if you will keep buying thicker cables everyday. Thicker cable is only needed from inverter to cc to battery-- not up to 1metre. Some persons here don't need large amount of energy generated daily and their batteries hardy go below 70% for months especially during dry season. Some even run loads below 600w but are on a 48v system. Check out the following:

Blender: 500w ( few minutes)
2 32" TVs 70w
Washing machine : 300w (few minutes)
Freezer 115w
3 Fans
Iron 300w
Bulbs 30w
Etc

Will you turn on all the above on a 12v system? NO. But major loads like tv, lightings,fans, iron or washing machine will run smoothly without issues. Is it affordable? Cost effective.

Most of us leave appliances on when not in use. These ones struggle abroad to manage loads as energy don't come cheap over there.

Some have not even try out a 12v personally but made conclusions based on YouTube videos and those who waste energy.

Your tank will run dry if a leaked tap is not fixed urgently. View energy as a water tank.

Will you turn on all the above on a 48v system? YES YES YES with all loads turned on including bigger loads not mentioned. Not cost effective and almost 4times the cost of 12v. Note, there are 96v systems.

Note: If your budget is fit for 48v or higher enjoy your investment.

Lastly for emphasis, the type of continuous load you want to run without load shedding determines the type system you will install. But be aware that 80% of our daily needs will run smoothly on a 12v system.

N.B: I run a 0.5hp sumo via a 12v 3kva Satchet inveter everyday for 4 to 6mins. All my loads are off grid.

Na who get sense dey use solar.

According to abuzz33's explanation, I should go for a 48v system since I need 3.6kwh of backup power. So, what do you recommend?

Max continuous load shouldn't be more than 500w (230 watts gaming laptop, fridge, TV, fan, DSTV, bulbs). The gaming laptop should use half of 230 watts when not playing games as I use it for work too. I excluded high power appliances that will only be used for short periods of time like electric iron, blender, etc. I have a non-inverter 1HP AC that will only be used when grid power is available.

Also, I won't use my laptop for 24 hours daily. I'll get tired of using it and turn it off for a few hours. The same applies to the TV. The fridge also uses less power after a few hours since it doesn't utilize as much power to maintain its current temperature as it does to reach it.

But let's just say it's 500 watts. What would you recommend, 12v, 24v, or 48v?

abuzz33:
It depends on your load. The lower the voltage of your system the higher the amperage to provide power which requires thicker cables. A load for a 12V system will require THICKER cables to handle HIGHER amps whereas the same load for 48V would require thinner cables.

For example, lets say you have a load of 1,000W. Your 12V system would need to have cables that can carry 83AMPS whereas a 48V system would need cables supporting just 21AMPS. So as the load gets bigger it becomes unfeasible to use 12V systems because of the sheer cost of components such as wiring, fuses and circuit breakers.

This is why most manufacturers build 12V systems limited to 1KVA or 1.5KVA while 24V systems go up to around 3KVA and 48V starts from 3.5KVA upwards.

If you are running small, light loads of well under 1,000W, 12V is perfectly fine. 12V systems are good for targeted limited applications - CCTV or lighting or running a small office or flat.

As for battery backup if you are looking at anything above 2.5KW then go for a higher voltage setup.

That was enlightening. This is why I read this thread everyday. Thanks a lot.

BigDickProblems:
If you want to get something like that but cheaper, then patronize our local builders then. But it’s not advisable when compared to getting these things yourself.

Since you already mentioned 100Ah battery.l, I’ll assume you are going for a 12V system. So Why not proceed to get from Powmr (190k or so) from Dam5rey, Valto battery, Mrred battery etc. Then you can get yourself a pure sine wave sachet inverter around 40-60k depending on the power rating (I’m not sure about the price), which these guys also sell. Get a Charge controller (MPPT is best) like Felicity 30Amps around 70k or so. Then 3 units of 200watts [b]solar panels [/b]like Africell (120k). They are cheaper and will serve you better than your ecoflow.

In summary you will spend about #440k to 500k (additional expenses) for a 1280Wh system compared to this 700k Delta 2 of 1000Wh and 500Watts Jinko panel that will cost you around 900k with additionally expenses.

The difference between both is around 300k to 400k that you can use to go and get yourself a land somewhere in Ogun state. This is why most Enlightened guys just smile when you talk about solar generators.

Nah, I need a minimum of 3.6 kwh battery power. And since most people here don't recommend 12v systems, I don't want to go for that either. Thanks for the detailed response though.

mctfopt:
Capitalism

Capitalism.

It's a US product.

No cheap product from the US.

LABOUR is expensive and also manufacturer gotta make bank.

That apart, I don't see any other reason their products are pricey.

That's what I thought.

BigDickProblems:
It is more expensive because it has a BATTERY + Charge Controller + Inverter inside it. You only need to plug and play. And it’s mobile too, meaning you can take it anywhere with you.

I actually prefer Ecoflow, but the cost is prohibitive. It'll be so nice to have everything in one box, connect your panels, and enjoy renewable electricity.

Does anyone know why ecoflow is so expensive compared to buying your batteries and inverter separately? Do they have better batteries than the popular lithium battery brands or are they just expensive because they're a USA company?

Dam5reey:
My Reviews were never sponsored, I paid fully as regular buyers do.
If it was sent by Company I will mention it, just as I did for POWMR, Seller sent to me.

Haisic, Deriy, Cworth, Taico, LVTOPSUN, I paid in full.

After reviews many come for where to get products, I seize the opportunity to sell as well.

Keep doing your thing. Your videos are informational and helpful.

Can't compare this to Nigeria because the Naira has depreciated significantly, so the price hike in Nigeria is well justified.

harsysky:
You are like one of my guys in sec school that understand normal BODMAS but do not know how figures play out. Then he would do small class work and come to my class to challenge me and I would just keep mute. It was during exams, I would get 97 or 100% while he would struggle with 50+ cos he didn't understand how figures played out.

Back to you, you wrote 50,000 to equate $407 and from no where you are bringing x =$1536, what's the correlation? Guy go and sit down. You only know BODMAS not how these figures interact.

So you know mathematics but you don't know simple cross multiplication?

1536 is the current value of Dollar to Naira. You can't calculate the equivalent of 50,000 Naira in 2025 without including the value of a stable currency like the U.S Dollar in your calculation.

So, you should sit down and learn.

So after seeing so many wrong responses in that thread, I decided to create mine to answer the question correctly.

In January 2008, a dollar was equivalent to 123 Naira.

50000 / 123 = $407

If 50000 = $407
x = $1536

50000 × 1536 / 407 = 189000 approximately

So, 50,000 Naira in 2008 is equal to 189,000 Naira today.

And no need to talk about inflation because we calculated it using today's dollar value which already accounts for inflation.

kpankpangolo

Wow, so many wrong calculations here.

In January 2008, a dollar was equivalent to 123 Naira.

50000 / 123 = $407

If 50000 = $407
x = $1536

50000 × 1536 / 407 = 189000 approximately

So, 50,000 Naira in 2008 is equal to 189,000 Naira today.

And no need to talk about inflation because we calculated it using today's dollar value which already accounts for inflation.

kpankpangolo

odimbannamdi:
I know that users can buy an extra battery. I am only saying that the extra battery can only be used as a backup battery to charge up the main Ecoflow system when it is low. You cannot connect the extra battery to the battery of the main Ecoflow system to increase the capacity from say 1280wh to 2560wh. You also cannot use the extra battery in itself as you will still need an inverter at the very minimum. You also cannot upgrade the inverter capacity of the Ecoflow system without having to buy a new Ecoflow system altogether. Those are the ideas around upgradeability of a renewable energy system

No, you can actually use the extra battery to increase the capacity of your Ecoflow battery. For example, the Ecoflow Delta Pro has a 3.6 KWH battery. If you connect the extra battery to it which is also a 3.6 KWH battery, you'll have a total battery capacity of 7.2 KWH. And the Ecoflow is capable of automatic balancing as well.

As BigDickProblems said, it's also easy to connect an extra battery to your Ecoflow power station. All you need is a cable that plugs into the extra battery port on the power station and into the extra battery itself, and this cable is packaged with the product so you don't need to buy it separately.

Ecoflow is an amazing product, but it's overpriced. If the cost of Ecoflow was close to a custom solar installation of equivalent capacity, I wouldn't think twice before buying it. But a 3.6 KWH Ecoflow costs 2M without panels, when you can get a similar battery plus inverter for less than 1M. It’s way too expensive, but it's a very popular product in the US. Some Ecoflow models can even be expanded to 40+ KWH with extra batteries. You can easily confirm this via Google, their website, or YouTube.