₦airaland Forum

all4naija: So, it is clear you are making a bogus claim. MTN is not even a company recognized world wide. Black government empowered business is more like what can be compared to Dangote's business. You aren't making any sense here.

Is that what civilization is all about to you? I am just curious to know though.

I didn't claim anything about the company. My claim is about the mess that's Nigeria. Nothin bogus about that. It's a filthy mess.

all4naija: Look at this braggart with little information at his disposal. Are you not talking about SA that lives on USA and UK aids? Please, your HIV/AIDS assisted project are in shamble since USA reduce such aid.

You aren't helping matter here. You are only making mockery of yourself.

Nigeria talking about AIDS? What? The highest infection rate in the world from the second leading AIDS nation on the planet? What? You'll be the leading nation in a second cause your health care sucks. You think I see Africa on TV and I've never been? My work is Africa. You can't tell me ***. There's no light coming out of Nigeria cause you spend your time in other people's business.

all4naija: Black owned from black empowerment process in SA by black government. MTN is known today due to the Nigerian market, you should get that right than trying to bite the hand that feeds your MTN, my friend !

Who cares? It could be owned by Mr Jung in China. What matters is that Nigeria is a mess. That's what matters.

all4naija: I think that arguably refer to you,N...

If ya want me to disrespect ya, I'll kindly do that hun.

You'll have to do better than that.

You'll have to list the malls that you had before South Africa came to Nigeria. The supermarkets you had. And then you might earn the right to open your mouth.

TerryCarr: you seriously believe with out America(the super power) and Europe the Africans could take down SA alone? and the fact that a lot of nations took aid from SA and most African nations were/are poor and useless

Don't matter what I or anyone else believes. What matters is the money America pours on Nigeria. Still you can't get it right. Never been a nation. Never will be. Just a cluster of ghetto-minded people hatin on progress.

all4naija: The argument is about SA. The whites are responsible for the development of that country,PERIOD!

You can cry baby!

The argument ain't about SA no more. It's now about where the h*** a ghetto nation gets off speaking about its civilizer. That's the question we need answered.

all4naija: What has that got to do with the white people of SA? For your own information, my father is also a Nigerian. I have been to that country to know what you are saying here to be lies.

You keep nosing around civilization you do not have any idea of. If SA is a civilized nation to you it means you are really in the darrrk, my friend.

SA brought civilization to Nigeria, according to Coma_Berenices. Hahaha...

There's only one point here. You self-hatred because you come from a losing nation. That's all.

all4naija: That is a point without explanations. I would like you explain it with evidences.

Attention seeker. You deserve no explanation. Go read a book. Who cares if Nigeria saved the world, if it can't save itself today? Total decay in a tight overcrowded situation.

all4naija: You are not! Not,not! Do you wanna go?!

I'm not gonna argue about nonsense. Believe what you wanna.

all4naija: You know nothing about Nigeria, my friend. It is SA that needs to thank Nigeria and their fate,if not, they would still be walloping in slavery till today.

You are miss-educated about Nigeria, lady.

My father's Nigerian. I know enough about that slum. And I've been there enough times to know what I'm talking about. And South Africa too. Yeah - been there long enough to know what I'm talking about. You know nothing about the world and are the exemplar of the cursed African everyone talks about. Hating on yourself. Hating on others. Hating on progress when you can't even build a house of cards. You've been civilised. Respect your civilizers and stop making a fuss over useless things.

all4naija: Don't worry they will bring it to you soon wherever you are.

American, baby. Your other civilizer and feeder of you jealous lot.

all4naija: If you are not a South African that just made your case worse. Much more worse than a deluded fellow. I don't know where your claimed to be coming from by I know you are a skimp person.

Civilization you talk about is what the blacks of South African society is still fighting to have yet you come around to peddle false information as though SA is doing that in Nigeria. A country foretasted to overtake SA economically soon. You must be hallucinating from your excess use of hallucinogen.

It is clear here your are the one that needs SA kind of civilization not Nigerians. Like the xenophobia, barbaric attacks on African immigrants on the streets, etc will be parts of the things you will benefit from the civilization. Don't worry they will bring it to you soon wherever you are.

Nothing worse here. Biggest skin-bleaching market in the world. And you wanna talk about white people. Hating on yourself as a nation. Small wonder you'll hate on others too, cause that's all you do.

What has Nigeria ever started and finished?

Hatin on the hand that wipes your drippin nose. You cleaned up real good now, thanks to South Africa and you think you got something to say. Wearing a tuxedo to go to shop right.

all4naija: Looking at the highlighted words it is clear you don't know whay you are talking about. Which is not up to 0.3% of Nigerian GDP. Your claim is laughable.

Go and server your white masters, dude!

Go talk to the Nigerian who wrote this piece. Don't shoot the messenger.

zetdee: So thats why Nigerians hate us, my brother works for a campany thats building a powerstation in Nigeria.

WHERE WOULD NIGERIA BE WITHOUT SOUTH AFRICA?

" These days South African businesses
are everywhere in Nigeria, and trade
between the two countries has
jumped from $11 million to $11
billion in 11 years.
By Leonard Lawal, Fortune
(Fortune Magazine) -- The Palms
shopping center in Lagos is the largest
mall in sub-Saharan Africa. It's
managed by a South African
company, Broll, and most of its stores
- Game, Shoprite, NuMetro, Nandos -
are South African brands. The largest
mobile-phone company in Nigeria? It,
too, is South African: MTN, which has
captured nearly 50% of the market.
Indeed, in Nigeria these days South
African businesses are everywhere.
Entech, a South African engineering
firm, is leading a $3 billion
redevelopment of Lagos's Bar Beach
and Victoria Island waterfront.
Another South African firm, Group
Five, is building a power station in the
Niger River delta. And the largest
tourism project in the country, in
Tinapa, is a joint venture between
Standard Bank, Broll, and Southern
Sun - all South African firms.
(Standard Bank also just swallowed
Nigeria's IBTC bank.)
A Khartoum boom, courtesy of China
South Africa's invasion of Nigeria,
which began as a trickle after the end
of apartheid in 1994, has turned into
a flood over the past five years. Trade
between the two nations has jumped
from $11 million in 1994 to more than
$11 billion in 2005, the last year for
which reliable statistics are available.
And the number of South African
firms doing business in Nigeria has
increased from just four in 1999 to
hundreds today.
"They have chosen the sectors they
intervened in very carefully," says
Frank Aigbogun, publisher of
Businessday, a leading financial daily
in Lagos, which has Johnnic
Communications, a South African
media giant, as a partner. "They filled
a void in the investment space in
Nigeria. Remember that the
Europeans and Americans, wearied
by endless years of military rule, did
not quite know how to respond to
the evolving democratic
environment." Most Western
companies that invested in Nigeria
focused on the lucrative oil sector,
leaving huge swaths of the economy
open to South African entrepreneurs.
The pioneer, says Olusola Obadimu,
executive secretary of the Nigerian-
South African Chamber of Commerce,
was South African cable company
DSTV/Multichoice, which captured
95% of the satellite-TV subscription
market in the 1990s. "No Western
company will take the kind of risks
they took," Obadimu says. "But their
teams came down, felt the pulse of
the populace, and they succeeded."
MTN followed in Multichoice's wake a
few years later - "They rode on that
kahuna," as Obadimu puts it - when
the government auctioned off mobile-
phone bandwidth. "Western telcos
were not interested for obvious
reasons of lack of infrastructure," he
says. "But South African firms knew of
the success of DSTV/Multichoice, and
they invested. It reflects the long-term
vision of the government in Pretoria,
which saw Africa as one trading bloc.
It's a small country but highly
industrialized, and they need new
markets."
A Texas company in Sudan
South African leader Thabo Mbeki,
whom former Nigerian President
Olusegun Obasanjo had befriended
during the struggle against apartheid,
won concessions from the Nigerian
government to facilitate trade. Among
them were agreements to protect
South African firms against future
nationalizations and to eradicate
double taxation, meaning South
African firms that pay taxes in Nigeria
are exempt from paying taxes on
profits repatriated to South Africa. Not
all South Africans have been
welcomed with open arms, and it's
not uncommon to hear them
described by Nigerians as
"neocolonialists." There are
complaints about price gouging and
other unfair practices. MTN is a
particular target. It took a boycott
some years back to get it to charge
customers by the second instead of
rounding up to the next minute. And
the Nigerian Senate recently rebuked
MTN and other carriers for their high
dropped-call rates. "These people are
exploiting us," says Tokunbo, a
Nigerian MTN engineer who asked to
be identified by his first name,
referring to South African businesses.
"Western companies won't engage in
some things these South African firms
do in cahoots with our fellow Nigerian
officials." MTN did not respond to
requests for comment. None of that
has lessened South Africa's
investment offensive. South Africa's
Eskom collects debts and runs the
prepaid-card operations for the local
energy monopoly, Power Holding
Corp. of Nigeria, a notoriously
inefficient company scheduled for
outright sale. Ariva, another South
African company, operates the
national lottery, and Telkom is bidding
for Multilink, a wireless-network
provider. Even the ballots in this
year's contentious elections were
printed in South Africa"

NIGERIANS PLS BE MORE GREATFULL AND STOP HATING.

That's what I'm talking about. You don't even need to tell me that. Been there. Shopped there. This dude is so jealous it makes me wanna throw up.

all4naija: Get your bragging complex out of here. Go and speak to your savagery Marakina mine blacks and the xenophobic people living in the squalor of Townships before coming here to make your arguments.

People will continue to laugh at your comments. The Chinese have done much better in Nigeria than your petty SA yet they are not bragging about it.

SA businesses in Nigeria are very miniscule. MTN good part of the shares are still own by Nigerian and your criminal-mind planners, Shoprites with its economical imperialism idea yet parts of its operations in Nigeria is own by Nigerians, like the buildings and the logistic,etc. Those are strictly businesses and I know you don't understand what I am talking about. Just the way Nigerians own some businesses in SA.

Keep bragging while your people are languishing in the Marakina kind of incidence in SA.

I'm not even South African. Must I keep telling you the same darn thing? I couldn't care less about Marikana. What I care about is that you're a skin-bleaching hater. Hatin on your civilizer. You had nothing in Lagos. Nigeria is a big ole dump as we speak. Now cause of the little civilization you've been given by South Africa, you think you gonna hate on them - in the supermarkets they gave to you. You can't hold a candle to the work that these people have done. All you know is how to work the system, pilfer and hate - cause you ain't ever seen any progress.

You do the same thing with each other. You hate. Now you want to hate other nations. I know what South Africa has done in Lagos. You can't hate on that.

I'd be interested to know how this would be enforced.

all4naija: . Another dude with a problem to understand what modernity really means. .

Many Nigerians will only laugh at your comment. I repeat, many Nigerians will only laugh at your comment. Do you know that means?

SA brought modernity to Nigeria! Many people will hear about this.

I'm not a dude. You know it's true when all you can say is "people will laugh". I've seen Nigeria. You hate the fact that you've been brought to civilisation by another African nation. Now you wanna bring them down. You can't even fix a hole in the road. How are you gonna talk about South Africa?

I'm a student of Africa and a traveller of the continent. I see right through your skin-bleaching, envious, doo-ragged self-hate. The nerve...

all4naija: Hahaha... You are very ignorant! People will only laugh at your comments here.

Braggart!!! It has always been in your blood bragging about what you didn't work for.

That's right. That's what the truth looks like

I'm not even South African, so how is this bragging? Just telling you what you need to know. Modern civilisation came to Lagos with the South Africans. Cable TV, malls and supermarkets. You never had it.

Now you're hatin'.

all4naija: What have you really made out of this your comment not supporting my views on the matter? Isn't it the mechanism put in place by white people of that society that makes those things work the way they are?

Please, you are still begging the question without having thorough scrutiny of what I have been saying all along. If not, it is right to say South African blacks are better than other African blacks. PERIOD!

What the H*** are you talking about? Do you hate South African blacks now because South Africa taught you how to shop at a mall? Now you can wear your best suit and go to Shop Right? Is that it? Cause you and I both know before the South Africans came, you didn't have mall supermarkets. Don't let me call you out, now. I know Nigeria.

Nigerian women dress up to go do their grocery shopping at Shop Right (a lower end store in South Africa) and now you think you are a tough guy? I've been to Nigeria, so don't start with me. What a small man. Black Americans, Ghanaians and now South Africans are your enemies cause you can't fix your failed state? Is that it?

[quote author=Proud.SAfrican]Oh this guy all4naija should be all4whitepeople coz he thinks if black people were left to their own devices we wouldn't progress. Its sad really.[/quote]Well, there's nothing new in his outbursts of frustration. He's been around black failure so long in Nigeria. That's all he's come to know. Guess the idea of any other nation doing better turns his world upside down.

zetdee: If you follow the guy's posts on other threads, you'll know not to take much of what he says seriously, he exposed himself as a troll long ago.

Well, I sure hope so! Hope he's just being a troll, because the alternative isn't so good. Come to think if it, he actually reads like a bored, female college student.

Well, clearly he doesn't feel "free" enough to communicate. He should be able to speak to you about the things that worry him. Communication is everything. Something is wrong. If he won't communicate, you should. Tell him how you feel, Gently.

all4naija: What is your argument, mister? It is clear the airport or whatsoever things your saw are done by the whites of that society. Some of you just jumped into the matter without abreasting yourself of what is being discussed.

Please, reread most of the previous comments to have better understanding of the matter.

Why should anyone listen to you? Speaking like a scorned woman. Coming out here from a dark land. No electricity. All slummed up. All cut up with divisions to the point of spilling blood. Get real, will you?

Now because of some small spark you found along the way you think you've seen the light? Tryna work it out. Tryna get brolic on the Internet.

Darknoss from Lagos.

Who said you could open your mouth and speak to normal people? The envy sickness has consumed you to the point of losing all sense of shame. I've been to South Africa. I've been to Nigeria. You shouldn't be speaking.

King Chaka airport was built from the ground and sealed up right in front of my eyes while I was in South Africa. Long after apartheid. Now it ranks higher than US airports. Second best in the whole continent, after Capetown and before Johannesburg, all of which were upgraded while I was in South Africa. I was in South Africa when the Gauteng train line was built. I personally worked with some of the roads upgrade teams that did the work on the interstate highways of Johannesburg. No point listing everything here. Instead of appreciatin, you're busy spitting venom and hatin.

What kind of African are you? A jealous brother. Else don't speak because those of us who've seen South Africans work know better. Have you even flown out of Nigeria? Spending your time speaking ill against a country thousands of miles away from you. A country you've clearly never been to. How many hateful words are gonna come out your ignorant, loud mouth? Whites, blacks, what did the South African people ever do to you? It's their goddarn country and their business. Mind your own. Every second spent up in other people's business is time away from your own business. And God knows your business needs attention.

Someone tell me this person isn't for real.

And I'm not your mister.

all4naija: This your comment is highly questionable. How would blacks be in hem of affairs and be discriminated on the matter of income? That just proved that the blacks are not in the positions you claimed they are.

Please, go back and do some researches. I will never accept such arrant error in whatsoever way.

Spoken like a true Nigerian hater. Dragging Nigeria's name through the mud with your disgusting hatred of progress and small-man jealousy. Nigerians used to be queens and kings. What the h*** have you become? Quit while you're ahead. You must be kidding me.It's plain to see you're trippin.

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Nice write-up!

This is pure continental jealousy and wilful ignorance from my father's people. The Nigerians.

Talking about airports, I was actually in South Africa for the opening of the King Chaka airport. I went up the control room and spoke to the politicians. I was truly inspired.

I just checked now and am excited to see the airport is ranked second best in Africa. The best is Cape Town. And 3rd best is Johannesburg.

These top 3 airports rank higher than any of my airports in the US. Even I can't hate on that.

http://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/africas-top-three-airports-rank-higher-than-any-airports-in-the-usa/26124/

Take a bow South Africa.

This is disgusting small-man mentality from Nigeria. I wouldn't worry about this. This is classic Nigeria doing outside what they do well at home. Hatin'.

Someone needs to cut his "thing" off.

What a bunch of Nigerian rubbish! What the he** has happened to my father's people?

I can see the red horns growing out of the green monster. People, don't hate. Congratulate.

Maybe Nigeria will then get somewhere.

dBard: so he's not understanding takes d realness.away from him?? Lord save us..

Yes. Real people understand real life. Expecting someone to wait for you while you're split isn't realistic.

You were split. If he's a real man, he has to understand that. Should teach him to allow his woman out of his sight.

Now this is a shame.