₦airaland Forum

Tobrasky:
You can never beat the East when it comes to commerce, property ownerships, civil service, education in any part of the South South and North

Even in the diaspora it's the same story

Other Nigerians especially Northerners are heavily present in the East, they buy lands here and develop them into small communities... Enugu is fast becoming a cosmopolitan state as a result of influxes of many foreign and local investors.

Your people are the myopic and starkly ignorant ones who NEVER travel out to see and explore the other sides of reality besides the nonsense they read online about the East, na only UK una dey run go. There's no point arguing with a man who's mind and perceptions are precluded on ignorance and lack of exposure, that's why the Igbos will always top you in all indices all over Nigeria except in your region.

Which indices Abeg ..
Post the socioeconomic indices here.
Yoruba/SW is the number one in Nigera

LegendHero:
Okay. I don’t like too much stories and I always love doing things with references.

I live in ATL and working in one of those corporate America industries and before I can speak like this you should know I am well versed in this kind of issue.

Let’s take 10 schools and check the list of the Graduating students. Let’s take Graduate schools (master’s and PhDs) for example to streamline the data.

Most school always release their graduating list online and we can deduce from that one. Are you game?

No need of too much back and forth!

Yay!!!!
I like this

candidtalk:
I won't speak for others but I know you are surely not addressing Yorubas with that statement in bold.

Why would any Yoruba, even for the purposes of investment, go to the SE? A hotbed of monotony, tedium and intolerance lacking in vibrancy and cosmopolitan appeal? You think everything is about money above all else for Yorubas as is the case for you Igbos?

Yorubas are not emptily materialistic like Igbos who can invest in and move their entire generation to Afghanistan or Sambisa forest.

For an educated and exposed Yoruba with choices there are far better and more rewarding places to invest in than the SE with it intolerance over religion, culture, ethnicity, caste, etc etc. Backward sums it up.

Even when the Yoruba invests outside his domain, he wants to learn and move forward. How does any investment in the backward SE facilitate that for an omoluabi?

That place is a dead zone Abeg ..

Redcrafton:
Do you expect him to remain at a point. You guys typical don't maintain a stand. What you say in the morning becomes opposite but night fall.
remember the term used by one of you...."unreliable and shady char...." FFK
I am not surprised if he debunked, whatsoever, but everyone knows Lagos doesn't belong to the Yorubas. You may have other parts of Lagos state like Ikorodo, Badagry and EPE...which are typical like your other cities of Abeokuta, Ibadan and Oshogbo

Reread the nonsense you just typed ..
Are you punch drunk or what

Redcrafton:
...because you have it before doesn't mean anything. Where was America when Rome was an empire? To have a look at a proper stinking brown roofs abode of typical Abobaku....take a look at Abeokuta or Ibadan city.

Ibadan towers above whatever shithole you crawled out from

LegendHero:
Ogbeni you are saying nonesense.

Oba Akiolu already debunked that rubbish.

Why are you even scared to use your real moniker? You just opened this moniker 3 days ago.

Akiolu sef no go wan die nah .
Imagine the clown quoting PM news

Redcrafton:
Covet Ibadan and Abeokuta as I will not cover PH. As you from Abeokuta buys land in Lagos so shall I from Asaba/Enugu buy land in Lagos and I have already.

No..my mother is an indigene of Lagos and I even have Lagos state's certificate of origin . Something you'd never enjoy till the end of time

wowcatty:
I don't blame the guy though, this is what happens when we allow all kinds of people in our region and then let them be comfortable too. No one does it and we must start to correct it, something tells me that we got this!

True bruv

Redcrafton:
...because you don't claim Lagos from Ibadan, just like I can't claim Port harcourt while I am from Asaba/Enugu. You should be proud of Ibadan or Abeokuta in this pic.

Definitely ..I'm extremely proud of every Yoruba town and cities be it Ibadan , Ilorin , Lagos or Abeokuta .

You are a complete foreigner as we don't even share borders . If not for Nigeria, we would probably not have known each other .

Lagos has been a Yoruba city since the time immemorial and it would remain so till the end of time .

Your cries or lamentation on Nairaland would not change this fact .

At this rate , you'd just rupture an aneurysm . Nah so una covet Lagos reach

Nowenuse:
@bolded. Ogbeni, don't quote me in your wahala na.

Zaria is not just an Emirate, but it is a historical Hausa kingdom for about a millenium, yet are Christians not dominating Muslims in parts of Zaria?

Yola that is an Emirate and the biggest of all pure fulani Emirates in West Africa, is it not 50-50 between Christians & Muslims?

The fraudulent Emirate Suleja now has more Christians than Muslims in that town.

An Emirate is just a pointer to the historical ownership of a place to the Caliphate, nothing more nothing else.


Besides I don't know why Yorubas always brag about Ilorin being a Yoruba language city, hence it cannot have Fulani elements.

You people are yet to understand how the fulanis operate.
Make una wait make I go bring that document about Ilorin that someone here challenged me to bring.

Ilorin is not just Yoruba in language . The culture in Ilorin is entirely Yoruba and that is a fact .

The full O to ge would eventually reach there and that is a matter of time .

PS: l merely called you because of your expertise on religious demographics of the North but this one that you are starting to feel yourself . No vex.
I no go call you another time

wowcatty:
Where did you see region in my post?

Yoruba is the name of our land before new names like Lagos protectorate, a name given to Yorubaland by the colonists.

Aworis are Yoruba and from Lagos and Ogun just as Ijebu and others. The Yoruba Oranmiyan descendants are the only people that came from Bini and they are Yoruba who spoke Yoruba language, they have nothing to do with the modern day people called Edo.

I come from Osun or Ilorin but it's a family affair, go and claim states in your region.

See what Yoruba matter has done to your life, you don't know that Abuja is in a different region from Borno and that Abuja belongs to Gwaris and Borno Kanuris.

If you are intelligent, now that people are getting more xenophobic is the time to go and get your region ready and lay off of Yoruba, there won't even be world food program to feed you when it happens!

Me sef weak ...
Bornu loun loun

Redcrafton:
Stop spewing garbage...Is Ikwerre not a sub group if Igbo? Very soon you will come with a tales by the moonlight, where some Ikwerres in your house are saying they are not Igbos. Do you even know what Ikwerre means?

You have been busted when you claim people are running away from a region...and you have surfaced here... shamed with brutal images.

Why are you slow bruv ??
So the meaning of "running away from a place " was lost on you .
Don't you Understand figurative expressions ??
And I've always been on this thread . So what are you on about

Are you expecting Chinese or Arab to be in Igbo land before ..

Wahala dey oo

Redcrafton:
Stop spewing garbage...Is Ikwerre not a sub group if Igbo? Very soon you will come with a tales by the moonlight, where some Ikwerres in your house are saying they are not Igbos. Do you even know what Ikwerre means?

Honestly I don't care whether Ikweree is Igbo or not and that is not my problem .

Have you ever met an Awori person who claimed not to be Yoruba ??

My dad is an Egba man from Abeokuta while my mother is Awori from Lagos and I've always lived in Ibadan .

I don't understand why you are having HBP because of Lagos.

Redcrafton:
There was no regions when the Portuguese came. Lagos was a protectorate of its own. The Aworis and the fishing tribe form Bini own Lagos.
You come all the way from Osun claiming Lagos. Would you blame a man from Borno claiming Abuja. You guys are funny.

Stop typing trash Abeg ..
Aworis are a sub group of the Yorubas .

Do you even know what Awori is ??
Get a book and read abeg

How can you say a land perfectly encircled by the Yorubas isn't Yoruba land ?? How is that even possible .

Mind you the place with Eleko is even largely the Lagos Island . What about the Egba and Ijebu owned places .

Are places like Epe and Ikorodu for example not part of Lagos state

And even the Western hinterland was part and parcel of the Lagos protectorate Abeg .

Of course when the whites came to the West , it made sense that they would land in Lagos because of the coast

Imagine some one from faraway landlocked Igbo land that share no boundary with my region coming to drag Lagos with me.
Smh !!!

Nowenuse:
Hahaha, my brother as long as we all live in this mad Fuji house of commotion called Nigeria together, you think our paths will not cross?

Even I thought it would be possible in the past, but hell no! Unless this madhouse is divided, we will continue to step on each other's toes!

Just that let us try to be as civilized about it to the best possible way we can, cos none of us have anything to gain by destroying each other.
Ese gan

I hope we all get what we want someday .
I share your sentiments here

Nowenuse:
Hahaha, naso this our conversation don pain u reach sotay I don turn your archenemy?
For me you are still a Zoogerian brother . And I can't call u my archenemy.

And yes, I will not support Igbos to tell lies as much as I have a soft spot for them

So Redcrafton, Yorubas actually have much properties & investments in the North & Middlebelt and even in places like Kaduna & to an extent Jos, Yorubas can match Igbos in properties. In Niger state & Kebbi states, Yorubas should outnumber Igbos in presence and properties although through Suleja (Abuja), Igbos could now be matching Yorubas in Niger state.

As for the SS. I lived much of my life in Delta/Edo. Yes, Yorubas have properties in both states, especially Edo state, but it cannot be compared to that of Kaduna/Jos.

However, Igbos in general have 10 or 20x more properties than Yorubas in the entire North & SS combined. That's the reason why some people think Igbos can never seccede.

I didn't mean the arch enemy that way .

Nowenuse:
Ibadan more cosmopolitan than Jos/Kaduna is a lie from the pit of hell.
Even during the regional govt days, Ibadan would not beat Jos/Kaduna in terms of cosmopolitanism.

In Jos & Kaduna, before crisis divided the cities along religious lines you have Igbo dominated areas, Hausa dominated areas, Indigenous dominated areas even Igala/Idomas areas & Urhobo areas and everyone lived in peace.

The Northern region was more cosmopolitan than the Western region and Kaduna was the capital of the old Northern region, so tell me how Ibadan could beat that?

Jos started attracting settlers from all over Nigeria from 1900 when the British needed more and more Tin mining workers.
Yorubas came, Igbos came, Hausa fulanis came and Bendelites came.
Read this link about the Ogbomosho people in Jos by a Yoruba man and see that they arrived in Jos more than 100 years ago.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2012/11/19/the-ogbomoso-people-in-jos/amp/

Urhobo community in Jos is so powerful that u can imagine that the only 2 Urhobo people and Nigerdeltan minorities who have won the Big brother Africa challenge were both born & bred in Jos!
Karen Igho's dowry was even paid in Jos. I wonder if that woman and her family even know the road to their village in Delta state

Do u know how many Lebanese, Ethiopians, Indians & Whites call Jos their homecity?

D'banj's pretty wife is of SouthAfrican/American heritage but the only city she has ever known or call her hometown is Jos and she is a cousin to this MTVbase co-host below Samantha Walsh. Their entire extended family claim Jos as their hometown.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSS9Ff38BLAqccVowB-66lKsEqcG4912jVDu_jC9BGRko-1wJXw&usqp=CAU

Ibadan will never beat Jos in cosmopolitanism in this life nor in the life to come.
The weather and exotic fruits & vegetables in Jos alone is enough to make Jos 50% foreigners by population (all we need to do is promote it).


And 2ndly, what do you mean some part of SW formed Abuja? . Are you talking about Abaji LGA that was part of old West-Central (Kwara state)?

You see, due to the COWARDICE of you Yorubas, you have never gotten the balls to claim Kwara state and only God knows if u will ever get them.

Neither Kwara or old West-Central state was ever part of the SW.

Infact, West central state at the time of creation was not even dominantly Yoruba, and I have had this debate here with a Yoruba guy and thrashed him till he ran away.
West central state was middlebelt dominated and Yorubas were a minority in that state.
That state was made up of the whole Kwara & Kogi combined + Abaji (FCT) and Borgu (Niger state) combined.

Even when Igalas, Borgus & Abajis left the state and it became Kwara and Yoruba dominated, minorities were still dominating the Yorubas there! E.g the Ebiras who produced the first elected governor of the new state.

Kwara/Kogi Yorubas have always been bitches to the Caliphate & Kwararafan descendants and only God knows when that will end

Cc Covidodo, Legendhero, Iamgrey5

What do you mean by getting Kwara back ??
Do you mean getting it back into the South West geopolitical zone or what

Kwara state was never in Western region bruv .

And it's extremely laughable . Did we lose Kwara ??

You of all people should know the ethnic composition of Kwara state and the folks running things there . From Unilorin to FedPoly Offa and all.

I was in Ilorin immediately after my finals to go chill with my friends and it felt like I never left Ibadan .
The next time I get my leave , I'd be running down to Ilorin again.

My fiancee is from Offa in Kwara and they are even more Yoruba than some of us from the south west .

Saraki who was the former kingkong of Ilorin politics migrated from Egbaland in Abeokuta . .
AA, the current governor is a full blooded Yoruba man . Same with the late Mohammed Lawal and Fatah Ahmed .

So pray tell the non Yorubas running things in Kwara . Abi is there another Kwara I don't know .

Infact , Ilorin is even more Yoruba in outlook than Lagos and some parts of Ogun at the moment .

The Okuns in Kogi have their own senatorial district and they sure can hold their own in Kogi .
Smart Adeyemi and Dino Melaye are definitely 2 of the most popular politicians from Kogi .

Yorubas are minority in Kogi and it would be so difficult for Yorubas to dominate that state politically .

Why are your Kwararafa people not dominating Kaduna politics ?? Why are the Fulani not dominating Plateau politics ??
I hope you Understand now .

Will the minority Ijaw group in Ondo ever dominate Ondo politics ??

What about the minority Egun in Lagos and Ogun ?? Will they ever dominate the politics of those places ??

The answer is NO.

We would just keep going round and round in circles and that's boring and unreasonable .

PS : The only thing that makes people talk about Ilorin is nothing but the religion.

The Benin stool is Ife. The Itshekiri stool is Benin . The Onitsha stool is Benin . The English stool is French .

Benin is not Yoruba . Itshekiri is not Benin . Onitsha is not Benin and London doesn't belong to the French .

When will Benin people take Benin back. When will Igbo people take Onitsha back . When will Itshekiri people take Escravos back and when will the English people take London back .

Shey you get my logic

Goke7:
na tinubu even give dem the mouth wey dem get now when he started making them commissioners and other appointments [they owe him much gratitude but still despise him] and thank God that rebel agbaje no enter, he for sell Lagos finish to them [reason they wanted him]. The miscalculations these politicians keep making is what has embolden these dummies.

I swear bruv..
Only if you know how much I hate the liberals amongst us .
Sadly , those unfortunate liberals are in the majority

Redcrafton:
The owners are truly running away from the places in these pics?
Ogbeni you simply cannot afford to get any land there. That's the fact.

We don't want that land even if it goes for 50 naira per plot

wowcatty:
Portuguese arrived Lagos in 1472 and met Yoruba there.

Atlantic slave trade met Yoruba in Lagos in 1612

English fought Ijebu in Lagos from 1849 till they surrendered.

You had the option of staying in your region but chose to be a foreigner in another man's backyard and that's what you will remain until you can go and build your own Lagos in your region.

God bless you bro.

Maybe the Aworis , Ijebu and Egba people that are indigenous to Lagos are descendents of Nri

Redcrafton:
Which one do you own in Abuja, PH, Kaduna, Jos, Markudi, Warri, Benin and other places. So only can buy in Lodnon and US? I accept the truth. I don't do propaganda like you. So now you have accepted that you lied that Igbos went begging.
I can assure you that Igbos are ready to even lose all those if referendum can be agreed, so they can vote. They just don't want your people who are always aggressive to loot their property if the separation comes with force. See what is happening in Lagos.

Even my arch enemy here Nowenuse just supplied some Yoruba owned properties in his Plateau.
Because we don't make noise doesn't mean we don't ball all around Nigeria too.

Just that Yorubas are allergic to the enclave East of the Niger River ..sorry bruv

Nowenuse:
Yes oo, Nigeria can never be one.

That is why people like us get so angry at Yorubas when we see them propagating one Nigeria and unity-begging just like their father Tinubu is doing.

See talk ..
Who's Tinubu ??

This is the issue I always have with people like you .

Is Gowon not a greater one Nigerianist than Tinubu ??
And Gowon is not even a politician .

Tinubu like any other politician from the North, East , South is self serving and would never want to let go of the power one Nigeria has given them.

Where are people like Mark , Ekweremadu , GEJ and TY Danjuma in this picture . Aren't they all self serving one Nigerianists.

But Tinubu is y'all problem ..Gosh

The same Tinubu that struggled to win Ogun and , Osun and Lagos in the last elections .

PDP rules Oyo. Ondo and Ekiti are not Tinubu's friends .
But hey agenda must agend

Death to One Nigeria !!!

Goke7:
what property una get, were your properties not returned to you after the civil war? thank God you have finally admitted you cried to the UN.

and who want to own a property in the shithole yeast where London and US dey, abeg talk another story, owning properties in a landlocked forsaken SE is the most insane thing to do in a modern Nigeria.

Swears bro..
Why would I invest my hard earned money in a place where the owners are running away from ??
Isn't that madness

Nowenuse:
Yorubas were the ones who insulted me first on this thread and I have proven it.

So I have no business with Yorubas.

I wouldn't have joined this thread if not that you Yorubas & Hausa fulanis were telling blatant lies which affects my people.

Open any thread and tell a lie which affects me and I would be there, only that I may not be having all time always.

Stop lying bro.
This useless thread was even opened in the first place by one Ibo boy .

Nowenuse:
@ Legendhero.

Ooh, less I forget, one of the richest Indigenous companies in West Africa (Nasco) still has their headquarters in Jos. Why haven't they relocated all these decades?
No Indigenous company in Oyo, Osun, Kwara, Ondo & Ekiti is as worth as Nasco, yet why is Nasco not relocating to your area?

Pls someone should tell me something I am missing.


The only National Vertinary research institute in Nigeria is in Jos and this encouraged the establishment of the INTEGRATED DAIRIES LTD (one of the leading indigenous companies in Nigeria taking national Dairy production to the next level).

https://integrateddairies.alanandgrant.com/

You cannot compare this with all those Hollandia and house of Chi products in Ogun that import all their dairy products directly from Holland.

In the gym I attend, there are 6 white people & Indians. Whites, Indians, Chinese & Arabs are all over Jos.
Infact, Apart from Lagos, Abuja and perhaps PH, I don't think any Nigerian city/ state has much foreigners like Jos!

How can foreigners be living in a killing/battleground?
How many foreigners live in Osun, Oyo, Ekiti or Ondo?

Pls, can someone give me an answer?

Jos is already naturally blessed! No one can curse the city.

You can parrot the achievements of your people without being anti Yoruba.

You can seek for the emancipation of your people without maligning us .

But if you insist on being anti Yoruba here , nah where wahala go dey be that .

And I promise to be battle ready all the time
Osetigo ?

Oharina:
All i can perceive from the op is a low esteemed man that want to show that the yorubas can fight a war. But i want to ask u op, so the Yorubas fought this war and won, and how come the fulanis colonised the Yorubas and even rule as Emirs in the Yoruba kingdoms? How come some Yorubas are muslims? Now let me tell u op something u don't knw, the Fulanis fought and defeated u people, thats why they decleared Kwara as an emirate to remind the Afonjas that they are ur masters, thats why they colonised you people and brought islam into Yoruba land. Now let me tell u more about the Biafrans. The Fulanis came to fight us but we propelled them back immediately they tried crossing the boundry of Nigeria and Biafra through Benue state. Because the Biafrians are Umu Chukwu Okike Abiama. I hope the moderators don't delete this my post.

Which yeye upper Iweka history be this ??

What are the Yoruba kingdoms with emirs ??
Okun , Ijesha , Ijebu , Egba , Ife..which one exactly ??

And Islam has been in Yorubaland even before Dan Fodio was born .

Islam is known amongst the Yorubas as "Esin Imale" which means the religion of the Malians .
Islam infiltrated Yorubaland as a result of the interaction between the old Oyo empire and the Malian traders .

Did Dan Fodio bring Islam to Bornu too ??

Dude , please get a proper book and read. Read about the battle of Osogbo .

Ilorin was an outpost of the Oyo empire . Ilorin was not even lost by conquest but due to Afonja's treacherous ways . Afonja was the generalisimo of the Oyo army . In ancient time, the emperor and his general must not live in the same town . Afonja wanted independence from Oyo .
He did this in collaboration with the Fulani Islamic scholars he had been accommodating and some Hausa slaves .

Eventually, he paid the supreme price for his treachery against his emperor because those he accommodated back stabbed him too and removed him in a palace coup .

There was no war whatsoever between Oyo and Fulani that directly led to the loss of Ilorin . Go figure !!

Infact prominent Yorubas in Ilorin like Solagberu who had converted to Islam in Ilorin didn't even step in to help Afonja .
Ilorin was a funny case .

And today except for the bed sheet tying Emir ( who himself is a mixed Yoruba/Fulani) , there's nothing suggestive of Fulani culture in Ilorin .
They speak Yoruba , they bear Yoruba names , They eat Amala ati Gbegiri like every other Yoruba towns .

Ilorin is a very funny case honestly .

And lastly , the Yorubas firmly control the economy and politics of not only Ilorin but the whole of Kwara state .

Infact a non Yoruba has a better and realistic chance of being a proficient learner of the Yoruba culture and language in Ilorin than say Lagos .

PS: Being a Muslim or Christian mean nothing .
Infact , according to a thread by one Nowenuse guy here , Ilorin is made up of more than 40% christians. So much for an emirate

The only striking thing about Ilorin is the fact that the place is the home to Yoruba Islamic fundamentalists .

Oyo and Lagos arguable have more Muslim Yorubas than Kwara sef

Ayekotoo:
I don't forget him.
Eyitayo Lambo (Former Minister of Health) under Obasanjo.
Sunday Awoniyi (Former Deputy Governor).
James Faleke (Deputy Governor Aspirant)

Bro ,
A Yoruba man is the first lawyer in their Northern Nigeria . That's the father of the current governor of Kwara state oo. A very recent history .
Imagine

Law wey my fore fathers don dey study since the 18th century .

LegendHero:
God bless you bro!

God bless you too.

E dey pain me reach marrow as I dey reply am sef . E no worth am at all .
So Baba wanted a middle belt republic without Kogi and Benue

Some kinda Niger delta annex republic
The lazy thief sef want better thing

Ayekotoo:
Kogi West locked down with my Yoruba kin and kith. We are majority tribe in Kogi. Ask Dare Art- Alade. Ask Lola Alao. Ask Smart Adeyemi and don't forget Jaywon.

What about that fat..headed and uncouth Dino Melaye

spendoon:
Shattap don't call Lagos a SW State for now because yourobas don even account for up to 45 percent of the success story in Lagos, Lagos is considered Nigeria's economic capital do you think lagos will be any different from ogun or Oyo if it we're left to just Yorubas.
Ok you know what put lagos and let me put other core northern states then we will do the conpereism

Didn't you see the stat you posted bruv
I'll even calculate and do the average sef .

PH is Nigeria's oil capital , Aba is arguably Nigeria's local manufacturing capital , Ogun is the home of religious pilgrimage , Abuja is Nigeria's administrative capital .

Shey you get my drift .

Lagos being Nigeria's economic capital doesn't take anything away from the Yorubas because it's their land and heritage .
Lagos is just blessed majorly because of its geography

spendoon:
But the difference is mall you.... , Let me not remind you that the NW, NE and part of NC make up the core north I just used the NW so you can see how the SW is dragging GDP with NW but the whole core north combined will be a maseca

19 states vs 5 Or 6 states..
Guy , shame suppose catch you small. Fear God nah ..

spendoon:
@ DanArrewa please share the idea of you topic with me which was taken down so we can finally end ipob( not igbos fah) on NL

Oga, calm down nah..
End Ipob on Nairaland ke..e never reach that .
No one is ending any one