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Tiopii:
If the deal was fair on Ukraine, Johnson wouldn't have been able to sway Ukraine assuming it is accurate. Cos Johnson has debunked this story.

Ohh i guess Johnson debunking the story settles it🤧

Tiopii:
If the deal was fair on Ukraine, Johnson wouldn't have been able to sway Ukraine assuming it is accurate. Cos Johnson has debunked this story.

That’s you assuming again that johnson wanted anything good for ukraine in the first place, ukraine remains a tool to the global west on their quest to weaken the military power of the Russian Federation

Tiopii:
If the deal was fair on Ukraine, Johnson wouldn't have been able to sway Ukraine assuming it is accurate. Cos Johnson has debunked this story.

It remains a fact that the istanbul negotiations were sabotaged, eat you opinion

Tiopii:
One thing I know is if Ukraine was a NATO state, Russia won't have attacked them.

So much confidence in the so called Article 5, until we see that in our reality it remains and will remain words on paper

Tiopii:
One thing I know is if Ukraine was a NATO state, Russia won't have attacked them.

More like if ukraine wasn’t going to be a member of nato Russia wouldn’t have attacked them. What you wrote up there is solely your opinion. That could have been the spark that ignited the much dreaded ww3 with Russia damning the consequences, only that Russia would then be heading to war at a much disadvantageous position. Only a leader with forsight would have avoided this scenario and that is the embodiment of the man called Vladimir Putin

Tiopii:
It was Ukraine that was pivoting towards EU/NATO and ofc they have the right to.

let me ask you a question, Ukraine with Russia or Ukraine with EU/NATO which do you think would be more prosperous and stable?

Since when did the eu and nato become the same organisation?, you’ve been using them together and it’s starting to confuse me

Tiopii:
LOL. This was the US stance not official NATO stance on the matter. Is the US the only member of NATO? All members have to ratify new members before accession.

I hope my English is clear enough.

😆☝️

okeysoninv:
which end round 16, quarter final, semi final and final. My prophecy started on the day of the march of round 16. So what prediction there. I can still tell how the match is going to be played at the final. But now enjoy ur football

Damn me i share a space with a creature like you

Tiopii:
NATO always had a tough stance against Ukraine joining prior to the war. there were past instances when NATO turned down Ukraine.

But since the war, alot has changed.

That tough stance didn’t stop them from announcing in 2008 both ukraine and georgia as potential intakes into their damned organisation now did it?

okeysoninv:
Two west Africa will play in the finals.

How convenient it is to predict now that we’re reaching the end💩

Nigeria vs Senegal for the finals🤡

Tiopii:
me?emotions? Putin was the emotional one.

You expect Ukraine to trust Russia, with how Russia annexed Crimea and also tried annexing the Donbas, which was halted to a degree cos Ukraine put up a fight and international condemnation.

If Russia never attacked Ukraine or tried annexing their territory, it'd be an entirely different scenario, All the nations Russia has attacked since the collapse of the USSR are non NATO countries, why are you blaming Ukraine for wanting to secure their territory?

You’re missing the point, I don’t blame them, i just don’t feel sorry for their shear stupidity in thinking joining the nato military block was the only way to secure their borders. You call putin emotional?, i guess that would make a good comic, considering he’s proved just the opposite on his several responses against ukrainian terrorist activities on Russian civilians. The organisations you support clearly and firmly fits that description but let’s not talk about it, right?. Isn’t that how propaganda works, accusing your enemy of what you yourself are guilty of?. You seem to learn from the best

Tiopii:
I think they tried to, but Russia only wanted Ukraine to compromise, Russia didn't want to compromise. They wanted Ukraine not to join Nato/EU and also give up the Donbas.

Compromise on them joining the described military alliance?, you bet they didn’t, why would they. And joining the eu was never a reason for their aggression towards ukraine. The last statement is also false. Russia didn’t demand that they give up the donbas, rather they advocated for ukraine to stop the persecution of ethnic Russians in the donbas and indeed all of ukraine and that fell on deaf ears for almost 8 years and with the continued persecution of said people. You know what came after

Tiopii:
so you want Ukraine to put Russians interest bout their own national interests?

Nope, i just think they should be ready for the consequences or smart enough to avoid it

Tiopii:
so you admit Russia is in the wrong.

Let's see how the war goes.

No I don’t friend, they did what was best for their collective selves as a nation and paid no mind or empathy to ukraine or ukrainians just as it should be in any decision making process. Because in the end only russia matters to russians

Tiopii:
NATO is a single entity with common interests and goals. Russia and Ukraine are different entities. And Nato claim to be a defensive alliance.

There's an agreement among Nato states, there is no agreement between Russia and Ukraine in that regard.

You dey watch Midoriya?

And what would have been the case should ukraine have become a member of the described alliance?. Well you Already said, and that’s not and will not be a reality now because Russia took precautionary actions. Hate it as you may

Tiopii:
Lol, The US and Russia have never fought themselves in any actual combat, so sometimes the enemy rhetorics is quite funny.

I don't really understand what you meant

Sometimes?. Only when it’s inconvenient i bet. You can deny but your feelings are irrelevant, mine as well. All that matters is reality

Tiopii:
So refusing to inherit the enemy of Russia is what made Ukraine the enemy?😂😂😂.

common sense is don't inherit the enemy of others.

Ukraine has every right to join whatever alliance.

Yes they do, and as i said before actions, consequences. When the war is over they’ll know why the choice they made was the wrong one

[quote author=Tiopii post=128261068]So refusing to inherit the enemy of Russia is what made Ukraine the enemy?😂😂😂.

common sense is don't inherit the enemy of others.

Isn’t that what the whole concept of the nato alliance is?, adopting the enemies of your sister allies?. All for one and one for all and all that bullshit?

[quote author=Tiopii post=128261068]So refusing to inherit the enemy of Russia is what made Ukraine the enemy?😂😂😂.

Make this make sense please☝️

Tiopii:
During the Cuba crises, the US didn't attack Cuba, they confronted the USSR directly. And a compromise was reached.

I'm here for the Ukraine/Russia war and my stance is Russia are wrong for invading Ukraine.

The US bases is an entirely different matter. if Russia were good neighbors, I doubt states close to them would be housing US bases. The bases are to deter Russian military actions against them. Russia pushed those states to the US by their actions.

Fear and more fear tactics, all to justify their very aggressive actions against russia and indeed every one of their enemies across the globe through time . A little less of that cool aid please

Tiopii:
Is war the best option? by waging war against Ukraine, Russia has increased US influence in the baltics, Finland and Sweden joined NATO, Armenia are pivoting towards the US. NATO states have increased military spending. Russia military export has collapsed.

what exactly has been the positive for Russia in this war? Ukraine's military has gotten stronger, Russia is increasingly more isolated.

Russia lost the plot when they attacked Ukraine. if someone is toasting your babe, do you try to convince her of what she stands to gain by staying with you or beating her up? Russia choose the later.

For the Russians war was the best option, who are you to say otherwise?. And no, ukraine is no babe, ukraine is the enemy and they made a choice to be that when they announced and the US Announced their potential of joining a military alliance (nato).

Tiopii:
Fight for independence was never going to be easy.

Are you justifying Russia's actions against an independent state?

Are you blaming Ukraine for wanting better? all of the years of association with Russia, Ukraine was the poorest state in Europe. can you blame them for wanting to pivot to EU/NATO?

I really don't understand you people sometimes..

Russia is in the wrong in Ukraine, let's call a spade a spade.

Yes i am justifying it an I already said why, your emotions are not going to make a difference. Wanting better would be joining an economic union for the growth of ones own economy and the betterment of the lives of it’s citizenry, not joining a military organisation known to be an aggressive rival to your very powerful border country. Fight for independence you say, okay. Let ‘em keep fighting

Tiopii:
see how you worded it.😂😂😂😂😂😂.

Ukraine is a sovereign state, so you're admitting that Ukraine's refusal to inherit the "enemy" of Russia is the cause of the war. nice.

Obviously Ukraine wants to join NATO for it's own safety, the way former USSR states joined and Russia had to hands off.

Ukraine joining the EU/NATO would make them independent from Russia economically and militarily but you choose to ignore this simple fact.

Have you ever asked yourself why states close to Russia are joining NATO, if Russia is indeed as good as they claim? The states that have shared history with Russia are avoiding them and pivoting towards EU/US but you blame the victims.

It's popular fact that Ukraine, would be better off as a nation joining the EU/NATO, Russia has nothing to offer them aside the War they are currently waging.

Russia should focus on Russia, while Ukraine focus on Ukraine.

Russia shouldn't be dictating what another sovereign nation can do and can't do. what exactly is Russia scared of? don't they have weapons of different proportions themselves? including nukes? don't Russia claim they can hit the US/NATO directly with nukes?

So yea, if Russia wants a multipolar, they should allow Ukraine choose their path and stop trying to enforce their will on them.

You know people by their actions not speech.

Actions, consequences. Ukraine was totally in the know when they made their choice, damning the consequences. Now’s not the time for fiending ignorance. They made their choice and they’re living through the consequences

DystopianMuse:
Another lunatic of the thread. You better reach out to your family member before shit get out of hand. I don't want to reply you before. But I can't resist your folly. I replied him already for your info. Now go hug transformer

Shit for brains, obviously

Tiopii:
see how you worded it.😂😂😂😂😂😂.

Ukraine is a sovereign state, so you're admitting that Ukraine's refusal to inherit the "enemy" of Russia is the cause of the war. nice.

Obviously Ukraine wants to join NATO for it's own safety, the way former USSR states joined and Russia had to hands off.

Ukraine joining the EU/NATO would make them independent from Russia economically and militarily but you choose to ignore this simple fact.

Have you ever asked yourself why states close to Russia are joining NATO, if Russia is indeed as good as they claim? The states that have shared history with Russia are avoiding them and pivoting towards EU/US but you blame the victims.

It's popular fact that Ukraine, would be better off as a nation joining the EU/NATO, Russia has nothing to offer them aside the War they are currently waging.

Russia should focus on Russia, while Ukraine focus on Ukraine.

Russia shouldn't be dictating what another sovereign nation can do and can't do. what exactly is Russia scared of? don't they have weapons of different proportions themselves? including nukes? don't Russia claim they can hit the US/NATO directly with nukes?

So yea, if Russia wants a multipolar, they should allow Ukraine choose their path and stop trying to enforce their will on them.

You know people by their actions not speech.

And if that choice threatens the security and welfare of Russia and Russians does that not make ukraine the enemy?, and i bet it’s more civilised to shake hands with your enemy as opposed to bending them to your WILL through military action

DystopianMuse:
Thank you. You are just pained. Keep opening up old wound. I know the lord will surprise me soon. With a man of my own .

Amen to that🤧

DystopianMuse:
Mumu if you follow the news Israel was the first to strike. People thinking it was the US. Some newspaper had even print in anticipation of US strikes.US strikes only came later
Follow better news no. Na writernig una go dey follow

Such prowess at mind reading, typical example of when your tongue runs faster than your brain

DystopianMuse:
Another mumu in the mix. I am taking about Russia's increasingly dependant on China. Which also includes the use of Yuan. Why can't they use their rubbles. Idiot and ignoramus now crawl back to the hole you came out for. You self wan comment make them know you. But sorry you came for the wrong person. Kindly go back to your bench and leave proceeding for senior man Dem to handle here. Thanks

Uncouth, unmannered and overall distasteful. A little among many other reasons you can’t keep a man

DystopianMuse:
USA and Israel confusing them enemies with airstrikes launch times 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Death to terrorists

Yes, confuse them with Airstrike launch times 🥴

DystopianMuse:
De-dollarize only to Yuanize. Lol. Fucking clowns. Russia is fast becoming China's vassal.
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And with this your distorted sense of reasoning was Russia also a US vassal when the usd was their major exchange for international transactions?🧐💩

okeysoninv:
hope you guys are getting ready. Next year another war

🤡

sainttwist1:
the question is if you are to live in another country, are you going to pick any of the countries you mentioned.
Also don't forget your freedom when you are moving to those countries you mentioned.
multi-polar world?...... and killing and destruction is your best bet to bring about that.

What a fool