azmanaty02: So it is muslims that's bombs people without pity that knows what is in their religious book
Every religion on planet earth has the propensity to be VIOLENT!!! Every one of the Abrahamic religions are violent or were at one point in history violent!
DollarBuddy: Shut up! [/b]We know you're from Islamabad. Don't hide under the canopy of Daddy freezer to insult Christians. [b]Nitwit!
First of all let me advise you. When you come on a public forum you try and comfort yourself with decorum by using civil language. Noone has the monopoly over insults! That out of the way. I support no religion. I am against all forms of religion that prevent a person from thinking and using his brains. From my association with religionists like you their go to mode is to resort to insults as you have done when they stand before a superior rational argument.
A well rounded and logical respinse to the pastor of thuggery and thuganomics.
I always say that most Christians don't know what is in their religious books because they either refuse to read the bible or pretend not to know what is inside the book by turning a blind eye.
The pastors or men of god are even worse because they know what the book says but mostly don't practise what the book says because majority of them don't believe the book. It just serves as a means to feather their nests!!!
A den of criminals and I mean it. There is no way to sugarcoat it. Anything you are buying in that place is at your own RISK! I am talking from experience. The FEW good traders in that place are an exception and not the rule.
There are sections that specialise in movie PIRACY with active support of the Unions the OP is parroting here. I have been in that market and witnessed a machine mass producing/pirating CDs,DVDs and VCDs at an alarming rate. Will the OP tell me that the so called unions are not aware of this daily crime going on in that place.
There are sections that specialise in inserting fake China engines into Samsung,Panasonic, Toshiba and other major electronics and passing them off as the original product. There are cheap China generators embossed with trademarks of original Yamaha generators and passed off as originals. How many activities can one list here. That market is just a sick horrible place to try and transact business. Caveat emptor ~Enter at your own risk!
Pelecius: Lol If you would check, I asked my question first and I said it is very important so as to clearly define some terms. You refused to answer them
Again, I asked someone this question: What is the probability that there is more than one Jezebel who is a queen? I already answered your first question with the quote above; using simple analogy and probability but since you seem not to agree, that is why I had to ask what criteria you adopt in determining reliability of a historical source. If I know your criteria (which will be accepted if it agrees with that of historical scholars), it can easily be applied to the stories of Alex and the Bible. Then we can determine the validity of your previous opinion here
I hope you now get why I insist on knowing the criteria now. It has been nice discussing with you
Pelecius: With due respect, I have a feeling that bias is getting in the way of this discussion. I guess I asked a question first but you seem not to want to answer it. If the question you bolden is not answered, we won't be able to go anywhere.
I will gladly answer your question if you would answer kindly provide answers to what I have been asking since. Thank you
I guess we are going round in circles since you refuse to answer me and I refuse to answer you.
Pelecius: In debate, questions are asked and it is better to put some arguments in form of questions to help define some terms clearly
This is still begging the question. He is (allegedly?) a historical figure because we read of his exploits in BOOKS. But how do we determine that those books are good historical sources. That is what I am asking. What are the criteria for determining if a book is a good historical source. If we don't know the answer (define it clearly), our discussion won't yield any fruit. Because bias will take over and objectivity would be dropped.
@Emboldened, Is the bible story of Jezebel a good historical source? Are there any independent confirmation of this story apart from the bible? At least Alexander the great story is independently confirmed by VARIOUS historical sources.
Now you said Alex is a historical fact because there are numerous written BOOKS about him. Great. Now, I would love you to tell me the criteria that is used to determine if a BOOK can be regarded as a historical document.
Your response to that will help us in deciding if your nice opinion is correct
Are you conducting an interview or having a debate?
Alexander the great is a historical figure and his footprints are all over history as a military strategist, a general and a creator of empires. I don't think me and you need to keep going round in circles. There is NO proof of existence of Jezebel or the other numerous figures in the old and new testament.
Pelecius: I'm not surprised with your response. Your question was answered already in the post and I used idea of probability and common analogy to explain why the discovery in the article is enough FACT to be relief upon to establish the existence of Jezebel. But you either don't want the Bible to be true in this regard (emotional response) or you don't have idea on the subject matter. I asked a question concerning Alexander but you ignored it. Your response to the question will definitely make one to know where you stand as to my prediction about you as stated above.
I'm sorry if you find my initial response offensive. It was not to insult. I hope you stick to the topic so I can learn from your argument
Alexander the great is a historical fact. He existed because there are numerous written books about him and it is a proven fact that he was a general,a conqueror and a ruler of various countries. Jezebel on the other hand is NOT a historical fact. She only exists in the old testament like other figures like Noah,Moses and Abraham. There are no corroborating writings about her except in the Bible which is not a reliable source in my humble opinion.
This would be hilarious and the usual comedy that is religion if not fact that the mindless sheep that follow this man will believe what he is saying and may try to put it in practice. Religionists are a danger to themselves and everyone else!
Pelecius: Your comment should fit your first word. If an archaeologist discover a seal containing the name Alexander and the seal has the characteristics of a king's belonging and after some study, it was concluded that it belongs to Alexander the Great. Would you make this type of response?
You don't need to allow your emotion reason for you. I find it hard to discard this discovery because the probability of it not belonging to the said person is extremely small. Most 'facts' that are accepted don't have this high probability, common sense dictates that this should fall into such category
Like it's being said; 'common sense is truly not common'
Facts,common sense,reasoning, and RELIGION don't belong in the same sentence. I repeat how does this your long epistle and the epistle in the original post FACTUALLY prove that Jezebel or any of the numerous characters in the old and new testament ever EXISTED?? You are already being controlled by raw emotions and when you cannot prove anything about your religion you have already resorted to passing subtle insults.
HILARIOUS!!! How this proves the existence of Jezebel or any of the other characters in the bible just beats me hollow. Then I realise this is RELIGION.