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I think this topic should av bn.. ." I ended my friendship with her because of 500 "

In 2009 elections I supported Gej ..and this wasn't about ethnic or religious sentiments but I believed he could do it... What a mistake I made .. I pray some good meaning Nigerians will overlook religious and ethnic sentiments like I did... I pray some religious and ethnic bigots will not deny us the real change we need.. Jonathan is taking his campaigns to the cabals(rich pple in Billions) and promising them heaven and earth....... while GMB is analyzing and taking his own campaigns to us Nigerians.... What else do we want?
Is this country that ret.arded ?
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GMB 2015

Ifeann:
Here let me quote the analogy I gave which u said was "nice".

" If your city was just attacked by the Jews for whatever reason be it you attacked first even or they provoked. They kill a lot of people u know. Massive massacre and they win. And after the raid your sisters, mother, aunts and several other women who are married are rounded up and brought to the head commander.
The head commander then tells his soldiers that if their right hand possess any of the women they can have sex with them, "just fu.c k her if you captured her. ". This scenario is in ur quran and hadiths
Isn't that rape. Could any of the women just willingly allow the soldiers to have sex with them after killing their people, while their husbands are still alive and probably tied up.
Even if it was days after battle."


You said, "About the analogy you gave, thats nice. I will react to it in the context of having sex with slaves ignoring the war part. Permission to have sex with someone does mean it is a must you have sex with them. It means one can do it. And if one wants to, then it must be according to the guidelines of having sex in Islam."

And you also said this " Permission to have sex with ones wife is GRANTED in Islam, this doesn't mean the permission to rape ones wife. It simply mean you follow the procedure of having intercourse with the wife."



If you can't see how evil what you are defending is then you are absolutely brain washed. malvisguy212 can u imagine this.


How can u believe this is moral.
dastranger and usermane do you agree with this.

Koni itumo sii mi.....you see the problem with you is that you believe you know too much... But I'm sorry dear... Like I said I don't like blind arguments

muib:
But they were not disciples right..thats just what i am trying to say

thorpido:
Do a research on Luke and John.They were acquitances
of the disciples.

.why would the pple accept Luke and John when they themselves were not a disciple just like Barnabas
Luke said in his recording 1:2-3
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the
beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you say that present day's Bible is God's word?

chiedu7:
He backs his claims with the quoran.

Nobody can back violence in Christianity, when Jesus said famously turn the other cheek.

Allah says let them find harshness in you.

Surah 9:123
O you who believe! Fight those who (are) close to you of the disbelievers, and[b] let them find in you harshness[/b]. And know that Allah (is) with those who fear (Him).


Islam is fundamentally violent

Yes I agree, are you satisfied now?... #sighs

Ifeann:
Yo.

Like I said I don't like comparative sessions with females..I don't blame you if you cannot comprehend the reasons behind the verses you found Allah instructing muslims to fight.. Even some Muslims don't know the reasons.. go back and read the reasons for those verses about fight in this thread....I told you I ve already explained some part of the verses..it's on the first or second page I think.. If you want me to explain other verses that talks about fight.. Let me know ... And pls if you're not going to read it, don't quote me again... I don't like blind argument, and you can choose to belief whatever appease you... It's not my problem

fabrigas18:
Lol, dat is nt possible except we want d wrath of the Almighty Creator.. We should be d 1ce 2 live peacefully and try 2 understand d fact dat we read dis Holy books (Bible and Quran), we were thought about it but no 1 among us have an absolute knowledge of the real origin of the books.. I won't say much..

Exactly bro..
We must learn to live together as brothers, or we will perish as fools "---------_--Martin Luther King

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZ6u-vqUxc

You see the problem with pple like you is that you believe everything on the internet is right.... So if I put a video of myself claiming christians sponsors the BH.... You're just going to believe like that right? .... Anyone can put things up on the internet.... It remains for you and I to use our brains and search whether it is true or not.... "Not everything is as it seems Bro"

It's unfortunate many of us choose not to learn ourselves.. .. We choose to follow everything media/internet says or we re told......
Yesterday, Muslims re sponsoring BH....Today sanusi is sponsoring BH, some minutes ago it was buhari.... Now it's the sultan.... How many times do you want to be told BH re selling lies all in the name of religion....So because they call Allah's name means they're doing it all in the name of religion? What a lost minds.... I understand someone needs to be blamed for this mess.... And currently the victims are the Muslims and the present government..,... It's only a matter of time b4 the truth is revealed
.ignorance at it's peak ...I Shake my head for Nigerian youths..... Pls if you're going to quote me immaturely, spare me out!

Ifeann:
The good thing is that a lot of Muslims don't follow all the teachings of Mohammed. They usually focus on the good teachings of Mohammed. The extremists focus on everything especially the commands to fight.

This Is why I don't like comparative sessions with females..... If you'd read all my posts from the beginning of this thread.... You'd av learnt its not the teachings of Muhammad and Allah....and that those pple fighting senseless fights is from their own selfish interests. And isn't it known to you that Muslim clerics have debunked their senseless claims? .. Scroll back and learn the reasons of the fight Muhammad and Muslims did then... And tell me it wasn't justifed

You see all those pple committing suicide bombing etc... All these re rresults of illiteracy, stupidity and ignorance ...Even Muhammad warned pple of suicide ...
“Whoever kills himself with something will be
punished with it on the Day of Resurrection.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5700) and Muslim (110)

And murder

"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any
remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord.After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)

Q5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
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Even Muhammad SAW said too

“A man will continue to be sound in his religion so long as he does not shed blood which it is forbidden to shed.”

thorpido:
Okay if we say may can also be used interchangeably with can,then let's write that scripture as;

....Another Comforter that he 'can' abide with you forever...'Now 'can' Muhammed abide forever?- if we say this was written before he was born.

bro I see you just want to prove yourself right.., its good to admit when someone is wrong at times.... everything you put still doesn't justify anything sir..
"can and may" re used interchangeably Bro... this is dictionary definition again

 —"used to indicate possibility" <do you think he can still be alive><those things can happen> ;sometimes used interchangeably with may 
you see it still doesn't mean it'll happen necessarily

thorpido:
Guy,na the simple english you are misunderstanding.
When you say,you may use the car,I hope you know what it means.
It means use the car.

may means it can or it cannot.... it doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen
This is dictionary definition bro
—used to indicate possibility or probability <you may be right><things you may need> ;sometimes used interchangeablywith can <one of those slipups thatmay happen from time to time —

sorextee:
U guys shld keep arguing o. I'm here, reading, scrolling and judging..
I have a dream, that one day, the Christians and Muslims will embrace one another, in peace and harmony. The Christian can marry the Muslims, and vice versa, without any hassles. I grew up in the north. I have lots of muslim friends. And we all lived together, with one love. I could remember the 2001 riot in kano, when they invaded our area. We were sheltered by my muslim neighbors. These are very nice people. They read their Koran, perform all muslim duties. To me, they are (and others who do such) are pious Muslims. But these Boko haram, isis, hezbollah, al-qaeeda, etc. I don't know which Koran they read o. Maybe the advanced one. Religion to me, has caused more chaos than peace.. I'm still yet to see which terrorist has died, gone to heaven, chilling with 72 virgins..

My brother if you look at our posts you'll see we've bn dealing with each other maturely... It's not a fight bro

thorpido:
The quran doesn't recognise God as the Father.So why are you quoting this scripture?

Now read carefully the scripture you quoted.
Jesus said the Comforter will abide forever.Did Muhammed abide forever?No he is dead with a grave.
Jesus said the Comforter is a Spirit.Was Muhammed a spirit?
Jesus said,He shall glorify me.Did Muhammed's doctrine expressly glorify Jesus?

The scripture you quoted did not speak of Muhammed.I know you muslims always quote it without reading the words.You need something to give Muhammed that credibility.

My brother naa simple English naa.... "that he may abide there in forever" not will

And note that Jesus and the Bible is exalted and glorified in the Quran

thorpido:
Do a bit of research.There are still copies of the Bible that were published before Muhammed was born.I'm sure you will find a copy in the Library of Congress.The British museum should also have a copy.The fundamental message of Jesus is the same.
It was Muhammed's doctrines that denied the gospel in the Bible.He should simply have provided an original copy.
At least ask Allah for a copy.

Pls note that Islam did not deny the existence of the Bible.... It's very well exalted in the Quran.... The only thing is just that you Christians choose not to accept that Quran is the seal of the books, the same way the Jews chose not to acknowledge the Bible.....concerning the originality you and I both know that's a farce ......so does it make sense to produce a book in different versions when it's original is somewhere and they can just do a copy for everyone instead of everyone having different versions

thorpido:
I laugh.You are quoting a scripture without knowing the import of it.

The disciples of Jesus asked Him why he spoke more in parables.Jesus said,'that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand........lest they be converted and I should heal them.Who was he talking about here?

I have tried explaining things yet you say you don't understand.You know why?
Having eyes is not enough.

You just insulted me wch I ain't surprised about..... It's what you Christian do Afterall.... But your story here doesn't justify anything.... Give me the verse of him asking the disciples andhow they're in sync with the verse 9 I quoted

thorpido:
Barnabas was not one of the disciples of Jesus.His doctrines are also contradictory.I just told you he said Muhammed is the messaih which is contrary to the bible and even the quran.Is that too difficult to understand?
Do you accept what is shown to be false?

The reasons of the Christians to reject the Gospel are not valid and below are listed the real reasons why the Christians reject the Gospel of Barnabas.

1. It states that God is One and not three / No divinity of Jesus
2. It states that Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last Prophet of God
3. It states that Prophet Muhammad (s) is the Messiah
4. It does not talk about any original sin
5. It states that the last Prophet will be an Ishmaelite
6. It also denies the crucifixion

The Gospel of Barnabas is more reliable and authentic than any other Gospel. Let us see why!


1. God is One and not three

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

"I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

2. Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last Prophet of God

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

thorpido:
It was Islam that denied the gospel in the bible.It's the responsibility of Islam to bring the original version.It's a man that rejects something that has the responsibility of producing the original as evidence.

When you yourself admitted that the Bible cannot be found in its original Aramaic form.... Does it not make sense to question the originality of the Bible, does it not make sense to question a book that took transition from old to new, does it not make to question a book that goes on changing having different versions..... It simply means I and you can even make a Bible... And simply name it eg "dastranger version"

thorpido:
Read.

Jesus said in the book of Mathew 15 verse 9

"But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
What dd he mean and who was he referring to here

thorpido:
Barnabas was not one of the twelve disciples.It turns the story on it's head.
Every other thing renders it invalid.

That is why I said you guys choose to believe what appease to you...
You rejected Barnabas because his teachings re similar to that of Muslims doctrines

thorpido:
I have answered your questions.The problemis you don't understand it.

I believe the problem is your answers re not convincing Bro.... If you look at my questions... I found no replies that corresponds to the questions

thorpido:
The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

Even some discoveries were done but you pple debunked it as usual and labeled it blasphemy e.g is the story of a Bible believed to be 1500 yrs old...

This discovery turns modern Christianity on its head! This bible, dating as far back as 2,000 years, details the
Gospel of Barnabas, a disciple of Jesus Christ, which
shows that Jesus wasn’t actually crucified and doesn’t
claim him to be the son of God, but instead a prophet.
The book charges that Apostle Paul was “The Impostor.”
The story is completely different. In the Book of
Barnabas, Jesus wasn’t crucified, but ascended to
heaven alive, and Judas Iscariot was crucified instead.
The National Turk issued a report saying that the bible was seized from smugglers is a Mediterranean operation. The report states the gang was charged with
smuggling a variety of things, such as antiques, illegal
excavations and even explosives. The book is valued at
around $28 million. That’s quite the find! Experts and
Authorities in Tehran insist that the book is authentic.

It’swritten in gold lettering on loosely tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Christ. There are connections that can be drawn between this text and Islam, and it directly contradicts the New Testament’s teaching. In it, Jesus also predicts the birth of Prophet Muhammed, who founded Islam 700 years later.

Experts believe that during the Council of Nicea , the
Catholic Church went through and hand picked the
gospels that form what we know the bible to be today and omitted the Gospel of Barnabas (among others) in favor of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These original texts surfaced over time, and this new discovery is especially worrying to the Catholic church. So what does this mean for religions derived of Christianity? It’s a bit of a predicament. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to allow them access to the book for examination. The big question is: will they accept it as evidence, deny its validity, or call it a “Muslim lie” as “Truth” Magazine did in 2000?

To many people, this book is seen as a cause for hope.
But what does this mean for atheists? Is it a real text or a hoax? And does it even really matter? With any luck, this newly discovered text will force theologians to ask deeper questions about their faiths instead of believing it withoutthinking. Only time will tell. In the meantime, keep an open mind, be respectful of the beliefs of others, and remember that it’s our responsibility to take care of one another and this place we call home.
Source:http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible.html#g0mejRH4Ej2vMEHe.99
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But again you pple debunked this report as usual and said it's blasphemy

thorpido:
it was Islam that disputed the gospel in the Bible.Islam therefore should do due diligence and provide the original.
Being a Christian does not mean you cannot commit sin.It only means you have been accepted by God and you have a life that can please Him.Also,your life is not judged by good works(cos no man's good works can meet God's standard)but you will be able to do the good works that please God.

I never sed one can be perfected to God standards....you only have to strive bro... And again you avoided all my questions... Maybe I should just assume you have no answer to it just like many other Christians couldn't give me an answer.... And note that I still av other questions for you later

kinibigdeal:
All scripture are written by the inspiration of the holy spirit (2 tim 3:16-17).

I agree brother

thorpido:
No,the life of Christ makes you meet God's standard.Religion makes you struggle to meet God's standard with your works.You say good works will take you to heaven.How much good works?

Good works I meant here means you do things according to Allah's commandment and that is if your good deeds outweighs the bad ones

thorpido:
The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

How can we provide the proof when the Christians themselves cannot find all the gospels of the disciples..See it's fact that you Christians don't av all the gospels.. You only choose the ones that appease to you and choose to debunk the rest ..... And you didn't answer my questions Bro, you only avoided it....why the transition in the Bible? And does being a Christian mean you cannot commit sin again hence you're guaranteed
paradise?
Another question is why have Christian chosen to avoid and debunk the gospel of Barnabas?

thorpido:
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Another problem Muslims have with the Bible is that there was old testament before only for some pple to claim it wasn't perfect enough.... Then they made some changes and transited from old to new with a lot of things removed.... Now my questions re who made the transition, man or God..... If by man, re they themselves agreeing that the Bible is no more holy in its nature, Hence the changes ? Or if they claim the old testament to be words of God, why will men change the words of God?

These re logical questions that needs answers, and pls don't give me the excuse of you don't av the holy spirit in you... So you can't grasp it, i know that when Christians wants to avoid question. They use that excuse

thorpido:
That life in you makes it easy to obey God and live out his nature rather than struggling to keep laws that your flesh cannot allow you keep.In Islam,this struggle continues until you die and Islam tells you that you have no guarantee in heaven but you are subject to whether God allows you.See it's the vanity of religion.

Don't get it wrong, Islam guarantees paradise to anyone that does good and keep to the commandments of Allah...I can provide you verses on that if you want.... And re you trying to say once you accept Christianity you cannot commit sins again and hence you're guaranteed paradise?

thorpido:
It's the understanding that is missing and that is why muslims have an issue with Christianity.Jesus indeed did not establish any religion.

Ok good you agreed Jesus never claimed to establish christianity and not from God as well, wch means in other words you're following what was established(christianity) by men like you.

thorpido:
but brought eternal life which none of the prophets had

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i don't understand what you meant by eternal life here

thorpido:
Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Emmanuel,which being God with us(Isaiah 7:14).This was a prophecy by Prophet Isaiah concerning Jesus.

This looks like it

thorpido:
The LORD said unto my Lord,sit thou at my right hand until I make thy enemies thy footstool..(Psalm 110:1)This was a prophecy by King David that also speaks about the divinity of Jesus Christ.

But this doesn't look like

kinibigdeal:
Who then are the unbelievers?

In the Quran, pple that deviates from the final book(Quran) re termed unbelievers e.g Christians, Jew's, idolators etc

thorpido:
This has to be the greatest falsehood and manipulation I have seen.Jesus will come back as a muslim and follow Islamic traditions.Why didn't he do it when he was here earlier?He will die and be buried beside Muhammed's grave?
This has to be one of the greatest works of fiction.

more and more questions will make us deviate from the purpose of this thread..... Jesus was not a Christian.... it was after Jesus had long gone that idolators termed people of the book as Christians.... Jesus never claimed to establish christianity...... he only preached oneness of God

You see the problem Muslims have with the Bible is that it cannot be presented in its original form (Aramaic)....instead it has bn edited and translated by man to English wch is wy Muslim questions its originality?
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Pls mature comments, no mockery