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Empiree:
@DeathStroke007, "solati ibrahimiya" itself is not mandatory. So it's absolutely optional if you want to recite either solati. Sounds like the Sufi grasp the message. You dont. If solati ibrahimiya was obligatory, it would have been different. There would have been no option. Solati fathi is not bida'a

Bidiah or no bidiah.. People should stop reciting salatu fathi . . . Simply because its not sunnah.. Lobatan

SunehriLasgidi:
Almighty Allah gave us free will. Accepted. But, why doesn't he do anything when one person's free will hurts another person? If he is omnipotent and allows evil to thrive, he might be malevolent and sadistic. How do you see it?

I'm just asking to know.

Thriving of evil has nothing to do with Allah.. It has to do with human.. Its human choice to do evil. Evil emmanates from satan and Allah tell us that satan is our enemy.. Meaning stay from evil

SunehriLasgidi:
Almighty Allah gave us free will. Accepted. But, why doesn't he do anything when one person's free will hurts another person? If he is omnipotent and allows evil to thrive, he might be malevolent and sadistic. How do you see it?

I'm just asking to know.

Why are you asking dumb questions huh? With freewill, whatever you do I'd your choice..its your will..

Why doesn't Allah do anything when one person freewill hurt another person?

Answer: Allah create humans and gave us manual. Even electronics get manual, every simple thing has manual. Human being who is the most sophisticated machine also has manual. Manual is al quran.. Reading it will guide you through your freewill by using it never to hurt anybody. You deciding to hurt anyone is solely your fault..because its your choice. For ecample, I give you a gun. Its absolutely your choice either to use it or not.the usage of the gun has nothing to do with me because its your choice. You might think then why did you give me a gun.. A gun I give you is to self protect yourself not to hurt another person. For example, prophet muhammad(saw) so many people said bad things about him during his life and even wage war against him and even tried to kill him, he can use his freewill and ask Allah to destroy them but he didn't.. That's absolutely his choice. Noah on the other hand ask for the destruction of those that didn't listen to his sermons.. Only people that enetered the ark got saved. Its his choice for Allah to destroy them, its their choice to choose not to accept his sermon and its their choice to get destroyed..

My post is directly under the link in your post empiree ..

Empiree:
This is also questionable too, right? It's bid'a?. Well, here is juice to drink.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

The phrase Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum (Prayer is better than sleeping) was not part of the azan (calling for prayer) during the time of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and it has been included in Azan later (1). Furthermore, Imam ash-Shafi‘i says in his Kitab al-Umm as such:

It is not pleasing for me to say "Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum" in the Azan of the prayer, because Aba Mahzureh has not brought this phrase in his hadith.(2)

In fact It was Umar Ibn Khattab who ordered to include the phrase, "prayer is better than sleep" (Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum) in the Azan at Fajr.(3)

There are other documents to prove the fact that "Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum" was later added to the Azan. I just mention two of them:


The azan reciter went to Umar Ibn Al-Khattab informing him the Fajr prayer time, He found Umar Ibn Al-Khattab asleep, so he shouted "Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum". Umar, ordered to include it in the azan.

We don't admit "Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum", and also we don't say that because this is not from the Prophet (PBUH).
Finally, Assalatu Khairum Minan Naum is used only for the Fajr prayer because it was included by Umar Ibn Al-Khattab in the Azan at Fajr.

Read Further From The Source: http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/10590/why-is-assalatu-khairum-minan-naum-only-said-in-the-fajr-morning-azan-call-for







This extract below made it not bidiah because it said abu mahdoorah do give prophet(saw) adhaan(with him saying asalaatu khyrun mi na nawm) and also support my claims that salaatu khayrun min al-nawm should be called in the first adhaan NOT the second adhaan as most mosque do call it.



Further, It was narrated that Abu Mahdhoorah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I used to give the adhaan for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in the first adhaan of Fajr I used to say: “Hayya ‘ala al-falaah, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, Allaahu akbar Allaahu akbar, laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (come to prosperity, prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep, Allaah is Most Great, Allaah is Most Great, there is no god but Allaah).”


It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: In the first adhaan after the word al-falaah it said: Al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm (prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep).

Now, pay close attention to the ahadith, the phrase As salatu mina noum was not directly recommended by the prophet but Sahaba used the phrase. The prophet's silence indicates his approval. The phrase is in line with Shariah thats why rosul(SAW) said nothing. Just like we argued on other thread. Now, is it bida'a, be honest?.

According to abu mahdoorah, since prophet is silenec on it, that makes it not bidiah. Salaatu fathi wasn't recited during prophet muhammad(saw) era, since prophet already recommended salat ibrohimiyah, why would anyone start another salaatu? Why would anyone recite that sallatu?

This religion is based on jesus, bible and church..


Christianity as we all know has root. Which is catholic(rome)

How come we have so many churches and so many doctrines that are not from catholic who is the source of christianity?

Why did people divert from catholic and start their own church or doctrines?

Since catholic is the source of christianity.. Having so many churches and doctrines different from catholic proves catholic a lie?







Unto the name jesus.. Its catholic that spread the gospel of jesus .. Its believed that catholic elevate holy mary more than they elevate jesus.. Why?


Also catholic believe that jesus is God because they do call mary mother of God when praying.. I would love a catholic to explain this to me..





Bible.. Catholic has its own bible and so is other christians.. Since catholic is the source of christianity, how come its bible is not beleived to be truth and why different bible from catholic own surfaced?







Onto church... catholic church buildings and dressing and doctrines is far more orthodox than the new age christians.. Catholic church will always be known to be a church,some church nowadays are always looking like an auditorium or hall or stage or cinema house..










Now to clear the impression, am not a catholic, am proudly a muslim....





The reason for creating this thread is just to know the reason why catholic bible, church and beliefs are very different from nowadays christians and for catholic to be he source of christianity, why the separation from catholic. ( as in having different churches, doctrines, beliefs and bibles )











We are all here to learn not to discriminate.. Matured and reasonable comments are expected..

Empiree:
Brothers, please, you have right to not recite solati fathi. It's your prerogative. But to say it's bida'a just because of the source is irrelevant. There are other things we do today that are not directly taught by the Prophet (saw).

As for 40yrs thing @ Fundamentalist, there seems to be different reports. Just came across 40 days as well. So I really can't tell precisely.

As for the statement you brothers throw around like anything 'new' and not taught by the Prophet means the prophet (saw) didn't complete religion. Subhanallah. This is just wrong notion.

First all, there're is nothing called solati Ibrahimiyah. Ulama gave it the name not the prophet. Correct me if I'm wrong. Solati Ibrahimiyah in itself is not obligatory. It's a recommended act. Proof to me it is obligatory, please.

As for allegation raised by deathstroke007, that "its like saying reciting iklas instead of fathia", wallahi, you just went too far out of line. It's not comparable at all. If a muslim recites "solati fathi or Ibrahimiyah" instead of sura fathia, that would be bidah because this is obligatory act.

In the matter of obligatory ibadat, like 5 daily salat, a muslim can not make it 4 or 6. Or offer more than the prescribed rakat. That is bidah.

But in the matter of nonobligatory ibadat (nofilat or superrogatory), nofilat means not only rakat but also dua of all kinds, there is always different opinion. So solati Ibrahimiyah is non obligatory at all. It's not even obligatory to recite it after tashahud. Therefore anyone/muslims can send Salam on the prophet as deem for so long as the content is sharia compliant.

No muslims rejects or replaced "solati Ibrahimiyah". But if you brothers worry so much about the source of solati fathi, that's just too bad and I'm not taking you seriously because I know you brothers don't believe in auliya nor do you have respect for them. That's violation of sharia too.

Also albaqir raised issues up there that I posted earlier but it's not addressed. Remember islam is filled with thousands/millions of ulama. So your opinion is not binding nor is solati fathi or ibrahimiya binding on muslims. No. If it's then it means we must not follow just Quran letter by letter but we must also follow hadith by letter. If you disagree then, all muslims transported to western countries for medical treatment are also coming bidah including Saudi kings and shuyuk. You know why? . Bcus there is hadith that talks about for every disease there is cure and the prescriptions are right there in the ahadith. So why don't the kings also adhere to the prescriptions by the Prophet (saw) instead of running to EU for medical treatment? .

Its usually the sufis that exploit medical and scientific aspect of islam but you people accuse them.

If you are not comfortable reciting solati fathi, please leave it, damn it. No one forces it down your thoat. Its content is in harmony with Sharia and it's khayr. I notice you brothers have no problems with the content but the source. That's just irrelevant.

And Allah knows best.

Ok.. Just a question I wanna ask you.. Did prophet (saw) recite salatu fathi? Did he recommend it? Which other salatu did prophet recommend after salatu ibrahimiya?

Salam alaykum

dhateeboi:
Even seyyidinaa Abubakar?
Who the prophet himself exempt?
For a reason!!
Then can't any other muslim fall into the reason with which the prophet has exempt his best friend?

Do you know why prophet (saw) exempt abubakr? Tell me if you know why

Alikote:
In the name of God but which? We need to rethink the concept of god

Despite all the information about ISIS .. You still believe they are God oriented?


Despite killing and annhilating muslim countries and doing everything islam stands against.. You people still think they are religion oriented



Isis is political based, funded by usa, isreal and turkey..


In this computer age.. Its very dissapointing that some people are still actually mis informed about crucial matters of the world




Besides, most of their killings are acted.. Its not real..

The only thing that makes human unique is FREE WILL ... Whatever you do with your free will is your choice and what you will be judged with



Concerning the issue of violence in the world.. Allah told us right from the very first creation adam, in a very clear term that SATAN is our enemy.. Its your choice to follow satan or follow ALLAH

Concerning the issue that ALLAH has know what will happen and sorts.. Ofcourse HE has.. Its our free will that will guide us.. If ALLAH has destined you to kill, and fortunately for you, you are close to ALLAH, you will never kill..


Guess you got your answers

Simply because he's Allah creation.. Every creation will die.. The way each creation dies is irrelevant

This op is clueless about what he's saying.. Shariah is not in practise in north

Adhan is one of the most important thing in salat.. The issue I want to address is the issue of fajr adhan..( As salatu mina noum)





Most mosque do place the fajr adhan ( As salatu mina noum) as second call of prayer which is wrong. Although I don't know the implication of calling the adhan ( as salatu mina noum) as second call of prayer in fajr..


Anyone who has indept knowledge about this should please englighten us using kitab wal sunnah ( quran and hadith )

Empiree



Can't argue or disput with you on the fact that salatul fathi is in quran.. Wether its in quran or not.. Its bidiah act.. And must never be recited again.


Despite the fact the someone claim that he saw ahmad(saw) in his dream and giving him the azkar of salatul fathi. This single act of dreaming and giving of salatul fathi disputes everything islam stands for. Islam is given and completed by Allah to prophet muhammad(saw) .. Seeing prophet and the azkar stuff means islam was just completed by the salatul fathi azkar.



Moreso, something prophet muhammad(saw) never recite nor approved.. That's extremely bidiah. And this is not good innovation or so..its very bad innovation. Because what proohet told us to be reciting anytime we want to do asalatu for him is solatu ibrohimiya we should do.... NOT once prophet or his sahbeeh or any of the sunnah shiek approve reciting salatul fathi


Its like you saying we can be reciting suratul iklas as first surah during salat instead of suratul fathia..





Please.. Stay away from solatul fathi..



Allah knows best

dhateeboi:
Whosoever refuses, no matter who? Every other Muslim that do not cut their trouser above the ankle? "Every"??

Insha Allah ..every muslim

Bookiemart01:
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zeberebe:
Good news. God should help us. Jesus save our families

Jesus wey run commot for town from jews go wait gun of bokoboys and save you huh? Tsw


Only creator.. Can save

It was reported that prophet muhammad (saw) said that its good for one trousers to be above ones ankle.


This is a very good sunnah.. Let's look at its advantages..




It tells everybody that you are a muslim...
It will shy you away from bad behaviour or social vices
It will acree respect for you from every single living thing..
People will be looking up to you in religion morales and that will force you to know more about islam


Its also reported in hadith that people who refuses to practise this sunnah will get their leg from ankle downwards get burnt..




Allah knows best..

ibawon:
How come you arrived at that price the official price is not even up to a $100, Bro abeg recheck the price wella

That's the price em selling for 9ja o

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If you already using it, drop your review

Revdaniel:
Good day friends, i want to ask a simple but controversal question.
Please note i just want to note your view about the question since you can impose your thought on any other person.
The question is "is there a thing that God can not do? or what can God not do?

Hoping to read your view soon

God can never have any thing like attributes incommon with man.. Like man claiming to be God or thinking God does humanly things like eating sleeping thinking and the likes

Even if dem jinx me, I can't buy it 46k laaaaaaaaaye! E suppose be 35-40k

before she revert... during the debate

Jesus who is supposed to be a Lord and personal saviour was tempted by the devil.

I mean, Satan tempted God with what he created..

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Sister Ruth Ezekiel from The Church of Christ on Stage




Sister Ruth asked, Whose voice was heard in Matthew3:17?


" And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."


The answer is "we don't know" because Jesus said,
John 5:37.


"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."



If what Jesus said was true, then the voice in Matthew 3:17 was not from God

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