airmark: Yes it happened and we all know which team is bigger between man utd and bilbao. In the last 10 years, only real madrid, barcelona and athletico madrid reached ucl finals. Out of the other la liga teams, only villareal managed to reach semi finals in 2006 and guess what ? useless arsenal sent the sh1tty club packing. In 2009, again arsenal flogged them out in quarter final. So for now , let spain continue to present the 3 musketeers, we know others are not ready for any battle.
Mr. Man , athletico madrid was not categorised with the likes of villareal. ATM is a big team, they played in ucl finals in this last 10 years, villareal, sevilla, bilbao and others did n't and they wont for now.
Dont be mischievous, bilbao never experienced ucl quarter finals let alone winning it. So we dont need to go to head to head stats. Man city got to semi finals of ucl and on their way beating sevilla black and blue. Just like bilbao, sevilla never played ucl quarter finals. All these teams deserve where they are categorised.
1st of all that Villarreal of 2006 were playing their 1st UCL year in their history and got to the semi final. They lost because Riqulme lost his penalty.
2nd, man city beat Sevilla, but ended up without any continental trophy. Sevilla went all the way to Europa League title, beating Liverpool silly in the process, yet, they are not a big club?
This same Sevilla has won 9 major trophies in the last 10 years, yet some EPL fanatics want us to rate Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool above them. That is ridiculous!
EPL has only 3 big clubs in Europe... City, Chelsea and United.
dmcdad: How is the EPL any different from La Liga... How many clubs had won the EPL in the last 10 years?
Whether you choose to accept it or not, th3 EPL has always been between Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City, bar the unthinkable last season. Tell me, do you regard Arsenal as title contenders? For real? When was the last time they won it? Yes, that's what makes you a contender. Are Liverpool contenders? Haba... Tottenham? For real?
So, at the end of the day, the end result is still the same. In La Liga; it's always between Madrid, Barça and Atletico (at least in the last 10 years). In EPL, it's always the 2 Manchester clubs or Chelsea (in the last 10 years too). Of course bar the anomaly that happened last season.
So... You don't have a point dude.
The hype in epl is rubbish. Imagine them calling Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham top clubs, yet underrate clubs like Sevilla, Villareal, Bilbao and Valencia.
When their so-called top clubs meet any Spanish clubs, they embark on prayer and fasting.
KillerFrost: All those barca fans that didn't want us to hear word at the start of the season... . You think EPL is LA liga where there are only 3clubs, ,(FCB, RM, ATM)
Guardiola went 5 games winless run in La Liga. Not adding UCL and Copa del Rey matches.
I mean 5 winless La Liga matches.
Yet, he ended up winning the treble that season.
He's not gonna win the UCL with useless players like Sterling, Stones and Sane. However, he's still on top of your useless league as we speak.
hensben: yeah in la Liga 16 goals is failure, even pedro from bench didn't score 16. I've stopped arguing hazard vs Neymar not until the later transfer to epl. Do you know why cr7 and Messi debate is still going on today because they play in same league. Pep is been exposed gradually, 4 games no win. E never happen before for him career.
Mr Man, get your facts straight before spewing rubbish here. Guardiola went 5 games WINLESS run at Barcelona in La Liga but ended up winning treble in 2009.
Leyqute: Speaking to BT Sports after the game, Manchester United boss, Jose Mourinho said:
"It started badly after a few seconds. We are close to the 1-1 and after another defensive mistake and it is 2-1.
"You come with a strategy, you can not concede a goal in the way we did.
"We were coming to have an offensive approach, we wanted to create chances, we showed that after the 1-0. The second and the third were counter-attack goals. If we score a goal like we almost did for the 2-1 the game would be different.
"It is one of those days when you give the advantage to opponents by doing nothing.
"We made incredible defensive mistakes, individual mistakes and you pay for that.
"In terms of points, we got zero points, we lose three points. We are six points from the top, three from the top four, we now need to win matches. We need to win our matches now, which are not easy, we need to win to close that gap, after these last three matches, we made two out of nine, we now need points.
"It was fine, I was not expecting anything different here. The crowd behaved in a normal way. My words were with Antonio Conte were for him, not for you."
Speaking to BBC Sport, he said: "The team played well, if we can delete the defensive mistakes we made. Thibaut Courtois had more work than De Gea, their defenders had more work than my defenders. They are very dangerous in counter-attack, we knew that. I said if we score at the 2-1 game is different, that was not for us and they scored the third and fourth.
"When mistakes are individual it is hard for the manager and the players, they know the mistakes that were made.
"Football matches start at 0-0, this match started 1-0. It is like giving Chelsea chance to play how they want. Everything went in their direction.
"I was focused on the game, calm with a bit of adrenaline, I didn't feel it different to any other big matches."
10d0ve: That guy was mainly talking continental titles ( which both simeone n Wenger are failures!) If you go back to the argument, I was the first that highlighted Wenger as a failure! I won't exactly choose any of the 2 (between wenger n simeone)
Please get your facts straight.
Simeone has won 2 European titles while Arsene has zero.
Both have won league titles, and Simeone's win was harder.
stuff46: Before we got Ineasta, we had Ballack and Deco. We got something better in Ineasta after his departure, we cannot keep clamouring for another Ineasta rather someone greater than him.
Denis and Gomes can be that (after all they are still young with potentials), so time will be all key to them being what we want.
And who says Rafinha is not Barca standard? Heck, Song was bought to barca o
stuff46: Guys here seem not to understand the basics of Barca values.
Dominating games was of the Cycruf's revolution at the then Barca team, and was perfected by Enrique through La Masia (Xavi, Ineasta, Busquet, and the others).
I state cateregorically that we cannot get to dominate games and the front three being perfect. Enrique understood this and clamoured for that and that is bailing our ass.
If we need to dominate, we need Xavi incanate, in that midfield and that can be hard to get now. Dennis and Gomes need time to understand the team Barca, just some months into their time in Barca and guys are yanning Opppac.. Sha, we are hear watching, some people hear will swallow their words.
Pique and Iniesta, 2 key players are injured. Umtiti did not wait for months to understand the team. He fitted in easily for Pique.
Iniesta is injured, and we have Dennis and Gomes, yet, we are worried. That speaks volumes.
10d0ve: so barca's productive run Lucho takes credit? RIijkaard nkor? Cruyff? Let's just drop this matter! SAF played 4 UCL finals, won 2, lost 2. Wenger in how many years, how many finals? That's barrenness right there!
There is no 2nd place position in UCL. It's either you win or not.
You coached the richest club in the world for 26 years and won just 2 UCL for them. That's pathetic. May Barcelona never experience such.
Is Wenger a top coach? No! Guys like Simeone and Unai Emery are well above him as far as continental titles are concerned.
10d0ve: I'm never disputing that...but you should also note they weren't bought to start, but to learn! He can't improve his midfielders. Even neymar should be playing at a different level under some other coaches
I disagree. Umtiti was bought not to learn, but to play. The dude has dislodged Mathieu from the team. Rakitic replaced old Xavi before Xavi was sold. Why can't Dennis or Gomes replace old Iniesta. It's simply because they aren't good enough.
10d0ve: so cos united n bayern for example have won just one treble each for their respictive histories, they had barren runs? Lol....all that treble talk sha, Fergie n barren I same sentence His UCL record might not be as impressive as the jose's pep's n carlo's of this world, but do not disrespect him atleast
We are talking about continental titles. With the prestige of United being among the top 2 richest Club, Fergie had 2 UCL titles in 26 years. This is barren run.
May Fc Barcelona never experience such in my life time. Amen.
10d0ve: Do you know what gave us that treble? A mixture of both! Even first half of last season with xavi long gone, we were dominating games, so I wonder where all these talk of we can't dominate with these set of midfielders is emanating from...They been there; done that
I'm not talking about domination, I'm talking about influencing the game. Remove Rakitic, our midfielders are not scoring, assisting and creating chances.
All those stats are being provided by our front 3. Rafinha, Dennis and Gomes are not up to our standard.
10d0ve: city won't make top 4 in the liga? You are starting to sound like EPL fans....This is barcelona, if I wanted a team that can win anyway, I'd have opted for Fergie's united or one of mou's victorious teams of the past
Let the City talk slide for now. It's another debate entirely.
Mou has NEVER won the UCL with any EPL side. Fergie won 1 treble in 26 years. I don't want this barren streak in my club.
Barcelona is the most dominant team in La liga since the beginning of the millennium. All thanks to Guardiola's and Enrique's different styles.