[quote author=Chelseafan1 post=50637323][/quote]When I say best teams, I mean a team with sharp attack plus solid midfielders. I won't say much. I wish chelsea the best as they attempt to qualify for UCL.
Greatihex: it seems like you have not really seen how this formation works.
airmark: He cant understand the technicalities. The only thing i am afraid of is injury to key players. This team is still a work in progress, though. By the time everyone masters their roles, opponents will be conceding defeats before the first kick of our matches.
He may have used that formation to win Serie A thrice, but we all saw how he flopped when the big boys were in town.
Let Chelsea FC qualify for UCL and face the best teams (MSN and BBC) with that formation before we can say he has passed the acid test.
airmark: Yes wenger should be ashamed of himself for not wining ucl as expected. Thats not what we were discussing. Atletico madrid hasnt won ucl but we know what he could do. My point is when we are mentioning clubs like real, arsenal, barca, atletico madrid, chelsea, bayern, juventus, please dont bring in villareal, bilbao and other 2nd class teams in la liga. We are talking of teams that buy players not for europa league but for ucl glory.
The bold is the problem I have with you. If you call a serial failure club like Arsenal big, then please do tell us their achievement in the last 10 years that Sevilla has not surpassed.
The last time Arsenal won the league, Valencia also won the league.
airmark: I gave you solid points juxtaposing performances of sevilla and co with arsenal, liverpool in the most glamorous club soccer competition, you are here bringing sevilla's success in europa league. If arsenal had been mediocre like sevilla, getting knocked down to europa every year, by now may be if wenger showed more determination he would have won it like 10 times. Top clubs perform well in ucl not in europa league. Even when chelsea won it, to many of us it was a disappointment. Thats why it was a low-key celebration. In the past 10 years, sevilla's best shot at ucl was 2nd round appearances twice and beaten by cska moscow and fenerbahce. Tell me for the past 10 years, the stage the fourth spanish team apart from real, barca and ATM, reached in ucl before crashing out? Then i will do same for epl, since you claimed only chelsea, man utd and city were the big clubs.
Your assertion of Wenger not being serious is flawed and void. Wenger should be ashamed of himself that managers like Guardiola, Mourinho and Simeone have performed better than him despite spending less than half of his managerial years.
9 major trophies in 10 recent years for Sevilla is what Arsenal + Liverpool + Tottenham cannot boast of even when combined together. Yet, you want us to call them big clubs. SMH
As for Chelsea, we all know that the reason you couldn't celebrate your Europa success was due to your 100% failure in your defense of your UCL.
No club in history has crashed out of the group stage of UCL as defending champion. Chelsea did it. Congrats...
airmark: Yes it happened and we all know which team is bigger between man utd and bilbao. In the last 10 years, only real madrid, barcelona and athletico madrid reached ucl finals. Out of the other la liga teams, only villareal managed to reach semi finals in 2006 and guess what ? useless arsenal sent the sh1tty club packing. In 2009, again arsenal flogged them out in quarter final. So for now , let spain continue to present the 3 musketeers, we know others are not ready for any battle.
Mr. Man , athletico madrid was not categorised with the likes of villareal. ATM is a big team, they played in ucl finals in this last 10 years, villareal, sevilla, bilbao and others did n't and they wont for now.
Dont be mischievous, bilbao never experienced ucl quarter finals let alone winning it. So we dont need to go to head to head stats. Man city got to semi finals of ucl and on their way beating sevilla black and blue. Just like bilbao, sevilla never played ucl quarter finals. All these teams deserve where they are categorised.
1st of all that Villarreal of 2006 were playing their 1st UCL year in their history and got to the semi final. They lost because Riqulme lost his penalty.
2nd, man city beat Sevilla, but ended up without any continental trophy. Sevilla went all the way to Europa League title, beating Liverpool silly in the process, yet, they are not a big club?
This same Sevilla has won 9 major trophies in the last 10 years, yet some EPL fanatics want us to rate Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool above them. That is ridiculous!
EPL has only 3 big clubs in Europe... City, Chelsea and United.
dmcdad: How is the EPL any different from La Liga... How many clubs had won the EPL in the last 10 years?
Whether you choose to accept it or not, th3 EPL has always been between Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City, bar the unthinkable last season. Tell me, do you regard Arsenal as title contenders? For real? When was the last time they won it? Yes, that's what makes you a contender. Are Liverpool contenders? Haba... Tottenham? For real?
So, at the end of the day, the end result is still the same. In La Liga; it's always between Madrid, Barça and Atletico (at least in the last 10 years). In EPL, it's always the 2 Manchester clubs or Chelsea (in the last 10 years too). Of course bar the anomaly that happened last season.
So... You don't have a point dude.
The hype in epl is rubbish. Imagine them calling Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham top clubs, yet underrate clubs like Sevilla, Villareal, Bilbao and Valencia.
When their so-called top clubs meet any Spanish clubs, they embark on prayer and fasting.
KillerFrost: All those barca fans that didn't want us to hear word at the start of the season... . You think EPL is LA liga where there are only 3clubs, ,(FCB, RM, ATM)
Guardiola went 5 games winless run in La Liga. Not adding UCL and Copa del Rey matches.
I mean 5 winless La Liga matches.
Yet, he ended up winning the treble that season.
He's not gonna win the UCL with useless players like Sterling, Stones and Sane. However, he's still on top of your useless league as we speak.
hensben: yeah in la Liga 16 goals is failure, even pedro from bench didn't score 16. I've stopped arguing hazard vs Neymar not until the later transfer to epl. Do you know why cr7 and Messi debate is still going on today because they play in same league. Pep is been exposed gradually, 4 games no win. E never happen before for him career.
Mr Man, get your facts straight before spewing rubbish here. Guardiola went 5 games WINLESS run at Barcelona in La Liga but ended up winning treble in 2009.
Leyqute: Speaking to BT Sports after the game, Manchester United boss, Jose Mourinho said:
"It started badly after a few seconds. We are close to the 1-1 and after another defensive mistake and it is 2-1.
"You come with a strategy, you can not concede a goal in the way we did.
"We were coming to have an offensive approach, we wanted to create chances, we showed that after the 1-0. The second and the third were counter-attack goals. If we score a goal like we almost did for the 2-1 the game would be different.
"It is one of those days when you give the advantage to opponents by doing nothing.
"We made incredible defensive mistakes, individual mistakes and you pay for that.
"In terms of points, we got zero points, we lose three points. We are six points from the top, three from the top four, we now need to win matches. We need to win our matches now, which are not easy, we need to win to close that gap, after these last three matches, we made two out of nine, we now need points.
"It was fine, I was not expecting anything different here. The crowd behaved in a normal way. My words were with Antonio Conte were for him, not for you."
Speaking to BBC Sport, he said: "The team played well, if we can delete the defensive mistakes we made. Thibaut Courtois had more work than De Gea, their defenders had more work than my defenders. They are very dangerous in counter-attack, we knew that. I said if we score at the 2-1 game is different, that was not for us and they scored the third and fourth.
"When mistakes are individual it is hard for the manager and the players, they know the mistakes that were made.
"Football matches start at 0-0, this match started 1-0. It is like giving Chelsea chance to play how they want. Everything went in their direction.
"I was focused on the game, calm with a bit of adrenaline, I didn't feel it different to any other big matches."
10d0ve: That guy was mainly talking continental titles ( which both simeone n Wenger are failures!) If you go back to the argument, I was the first that highlighted Wenger as a failure! I won't exactly choose any of the 2 (between wenger n simeone)
Please get your facts straight.
Simeone has won 2 European titles while Arsene has zero.
Both have won league titles, and Simeone's win was harder.
stuff46: Before we got Ineasta, we had Ballack and Deco. We got something better in Ineasta after his departure, we cannot keep clamouring for another Ineasta rather someone greater than him.
Denis and Gomes can be that (after all they are still young with potentials), so time will be all key to them being what we want.
And who says Rafinha is not Barca standard? Heck, Song was bought to barca o
stuff46: Guys here seem not to understand the basics of Barca values.
Dominating games was of the Cycruf's revolution at the then Barca team, and was perfected by Enrique through La Masia (Xavi, Ineasta, Busquet, and the others).
I state cateregorically that we cannot get to dominate games and the front three being perfect. Enrique understood this and clamoured for that and that is bailing our ass.
If we need to dominate, we need Xavi incanate, in that midfield and that can be hard to get now. Dennis and Gomes need time to understand the team Barca, just some months into their time in Barca and guys are yanning Opppac.. Sha, we are hear watching, some people hear will swallow their words.
Pique and Iniesta, 2 key players are injured. Umtiti did not wait for months to understand the team. He fitted in easily for Pique.
Iniesta is injured, and we have Dennis and Gomes, yet, we are worried. That speaks volumes.