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PastorOluT: U just said u were a born again before n found the truth, so I ask, what truth is that?

The truth are

1. Jesus is the biggest lie ever sold to man kind.
2. He was sent to the household of Israel not me or my household or the entire Yoruba race.
3. Christianity and the Bible is hogwash.
4. Paul is the founder of what u call Christianity and should other wise be called "Paulinity".

chrisviral: Well I don't have a son yet, I might as well kill yours!

alexleo: No sir. Creativity was already in God before he created. He only put it into action when he felt the need to do that. Even we human beings are created in that creative likeness of God. Thats why you see someone faced with a challenge or problem, before you know it, his creativity comes up and he comes out with a solution. Watch your kids even as babies how they handle certain things, you ll marvel who taught them that they should do it that way at such a tiny age.

Creativity was part of God's nature before creation. The authority and wisdom with which he created the heaven and the earth and everything in it shows that creativity was part and parcel of him.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters". Genesis 1 1-2 Meaning before God created he was only a force who was later moving around over the surface of water when he created Heaven and earth, yeah creativity might be part of him but until he created he was not a creator.

Plus who taught my dog how to remove his chain? if we have to go by the kids analogue you gave and how they handle things. Man was not created in no image of God. God is part of everything he created cos from it everything was made.

finofaya: Thanks. I know you're not.

God may not be evil. But if you say he is good, and has always been, then you should show where evil has always been.

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PastorOluT: U found the truth?

what is the truth sir?...enlighten me.

macof: Oludumare
U must have meant Olodumare, well jst to be clear Olodumare is not Jehovah

lol Neither is he Olorun.

kadas01: Evil was, is, and remains "alien" to THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

The disobedience on the part of Lucifer marked the beginning of what is known as "evil" today!

You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, "for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being". Revelation 4:11

I will advice u don't follow the path of your counter argument unless u want to say God is not omnipresent omniscient and omnipotent.

Like u said...ALMIGHTY CREATOR
or
Are you trying to say God is as good as good and 'Lucifer' as bad as 'Evil', in other words....Evil and everything about it is exclusive creation of 'Lucifer'...meaning it created it self. Which will make more sense cos the bible made us understand he was trying to over throw God In Revelation 12:7-13.

You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being. Revelation 4:11

God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth. Quran 39:62-63

According to Yoruba oral tradition, Tibi tire la da ile aye. Meaning good was created for evil and vice versa.

So God is extremely good and equally extremely 'evil' cos it is the force from which everything came and its part of everything.

The Character 'devil' is not as 'bad' as what we call God.

Cos what we call God epitomizes 'Good' and 'Evil' .

truthman2012: You believe Jesus existed. So to you it means ''you believe Jesus''. You deserve to be pitied.

You believe the stories you've read about the Apostles but you don't believe in them. Can you hear yourself? Your certificate, if you have any, should be verified. Check your dictionary: 'believe in' means to trust somebody's words. So you trust their stories but you don't believe them.

Comparing your poor and watery construction of words with your main thread, it will be easy for a primary school leaver to know it is not your work. No wonder you cannot defend it.

.....Unfollow thread.

Tell me what is not true here...that Jesus was born and existed some thousand years ago or that he has disciples who followed him.....the characters existed isn't it?.......like i said... u need to go back to your English class.

Believe(Accept that (something) is true).
Believe in(Have faith in the truth or existence of: those who believe in God).

pls answer my question before u run out of thread .

Glad considering the fact that other religious gatherings have not been stopped....why stop Osun festival for Ebola, Churches and Mosques should be closed down all over Nigeria also but until then let the festival continue

Osun a gbe wa o!

thorpido: This will be my last post to you because there is no point trading words with someone as dumb as you.You don't even understand comprehension,not to talk of comprehending what is written.

No wonder Apostle Paul's letters got you so confused!

Calling you a f0ol will just be repeating the obvious.
You made Stup1dity your own FIRST name.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, you wouldn't dare reply me cos you lack logic and the reasoning ability to do that. Keep living in your delusion.

truthman2012: Deceiver. I don't think you were yet born when I passed my English paper. Not the type of exams you do these days in special classes.

Define your 'believe' and 'believe in' and show the difference. You 'believe' Jesus and the Apostles but you don't 'believe in' them. You believe their words but you don't believe in their personality? How does that sound to a reasonable mind? What is your grade in English? Keep displaying your foolishness, readers are noting.

It shows clearly that you copied the thread from somewhere as your brain is not good enough to fabricate such lies. Your God-given intelligence has been tampered with by your evil gods. Smh!

You turned your misleading thread to a 'grammar class' because you cannot defend it as it is not your work. Cover your face in shame.

Lol...glory be to Jesus that you passed 'English Paper'......while i bless the Gods for better understanding of the English language.

So you cant differentiate between BELIEVE and BELIEVE IN......omg! ........

To come down to your level, what i meant was i believe Jesus existed, i believe in the stories have read about the Apostles but i dont believe in the diety of your Lord Jesus Christ, so i cant worship him. And i dont believe Paul cos he's a lair. . Comprehende?

Believe

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]
1Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof:
the superintendent believed Lancaster’s story
[WITH CLAUSE]: some 23 per cent believe that smoking keeps down weight
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
1.1 Accept the statement of (someone) as true:
he didn’t believe her

Believe in
1 Have faith in the truth or existence of:
those who believe in God
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
2 Be of the opinion that (something) is right or acceptable:
I don’t believe in censorship of the arts
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
3 Have confidence in (a person or a course of action):
he had finally begun to believe in her

Now what do i mean when i say i believe in you "truthman2012" but at this moment i don't believe you ?
I think u will need some phrasal verbs lessons to answer this... .....lastly...what did you score in your 'English Paper'?

thorpido: You are so dumb,you don't even know what explaining with an example means.So you are so poor with comprehension?No wonder!

Omo lasan ikeji aja.......that's what your people call you right?

U are nothing but the dumb as5..... Caucasian wanna be who is so good with comprehension but never opened to logic....deluded f0ol....so your moms plate of food was the only thing u could bring to the table after someone just schooled u about the origin of what you called western education.... Stup!d1ty is your second name.

truthman2012: So the bible is and yet you said you believe in Jesus and Apostles except Paul. Inconsistent ignoramus. Liar.

I believe Jesus and the Apostles is quite different from i believe in.......i believe u might have missed some English classes . So u Believe in the Apostles and Paul also? No wonder u worship your Pastors ode!

thorpido: If your mom brought food from a party and you eat and enjoy it,who do you appreciate?

Common sense!

Whats the correlations between the Topic of discussion and food. The facts that u brought your mom into this says alot about your person. Omo lasan ikeji aja

GooseBaba: Smh......your source is written words of men.... If anybody can just say anything. Have you ever met the men who wrote your source.. Just because you're convinced this is the word of God does not exclude it from false claims.

REALITY and ANCESTRAL philosophies is my sources.. As an Urhobo man... According, to my ancestral teaching "man's desire to know God is to understand and make peace with the spiritual realm on one hand, and on the other hand understand and make peace with his fellow man." That is why we apply reason, logic and critical thinking.

Now digest that for a minute.....

He can not understand. Stop replying the f0ol

truthman2012: Which philosophies you could not refer to and passed down to you by unknown author or with no author?

Men wrote down what was passed down to them by a spiritual Being called God and that we call the bible. Even Muhammad who was an illiterate man got what he claimed he received from Allah down for people to refer to, wrongly or rightly, at least they have something to refer to.

What type of gods are yours that are incapable of passing down anything, which is the reason pagan formulate any nonsense. They are not even sure of what the are saying. Some they their gods have names and later they will say no name. What a confused folk.

Lol....Look are your prejudice, 'Mohamed got what he claimed he received from Allah' yet their book contains less contradictions than yours. Thanks to Emperor Constantine im not sure u guys will have anything to call a Holy book, its nothing but compiled books from different Authors, mostly Pagans and Judaists but Non were Christians in the real sense of it . Besides im sure Nostradamus quatrains would have been added also if he came a little before the new testament .

PastorOluT: What more to say, we are not meant to come to a mutual or logical agreement 'cos its not about me or u, bt what really is. So whatever u say or I say would have little or no effect whatsoever on the truth, truth remains irrespective.

Jesus is the way the truth n life, no one comes to the father bt by Him.

Abeg spear me the bullsh1t story, u mean the son that is the father and the father that became the son and they are both together in the holy (deceitful) spirit. Before u continue with your crap i was a Christian, what you call born again until i found truth.

truthman2012: You mean their abode, Spiritual Ream has no name? e.g Yemoja (Mamaid) is a spirit but lives inside water.

Olodo its Realm not Ream

PastorOluT: Even my question mark says alot, Ii think he got the msg quite clear prof!

Pls preach i will gladly listen if we can both reach a logical conclusion if i bring my own gospel to u.

ProphetUdeme: preach the truth to him na.. Maybe he has been bound by satan to prevent him from hearing the gospel... So pastor olu T ure a pastor and u should know ur duty

Preach Truth to who? He should rather go and look for the Truth him self instead of living in his delusion. Can i ask u a honest question and i'm asking cos of your alias here 'ProphetUdeme', what is the difference between a prophet/Woli and a psychic /?

macof: Great work Desifa, keep them coming.

May Olodumare bless you

Ashe'! and bless you too

PastorOluT: ?

Your suggestion is not needed, you can bounce.....suuuuu!

truthman2012: If you are sincere to your belief you should not be accusing Paul because other apostles agreed with his statements and teachings. They worked with him and called him their brother. Are you not sounding contradictory?

None of the other apostles you said you believe accused him of wrongdoings. Do you know better than them?

If you believe other apostles you should accept Paul as they accepted him.

Who are who agreed with Paul....? Paul and his recruits, luke, timothy and co.....? Even Barnabas letter left him so what are u saying? if u are talking about him working with Peter, Mark and the rest u are so wrong my dear....make your findings plus tell me where in the Bible and pls dont quote Paul and his disciples. Thanks

truthman2012: Do you believe other apostles?

Do you believe Jesus?

I believe other Apostles and i believe Jesus

Jesus? Permit me to paraphrase Christopher Hitchens here - The worthless idea that someone, an ignorant at that can be sacrificed on my behalf, without my consent, to atone for some made up "sin" which I had no part in committing and for which I was "condemned" without my side of the story before I was born, is utterly repugnant to me.

thorpido: What has christianity done?I'm sure your parents attended missionary schools even if you didn't and they are the main reason why you can even type on the keyboard as you've just done.
You can stick with what you know but don't rubbish what you have no understanding of.

Mogbe! , cant stop laughing....its interesting that my post is hurting you but not intentions by dear, my intent was to bring people with great wisdom and understanding into a topic that concerns many of us. The truth is Christianity as a religion is hogwash, make findings your self and stop being a cry baby. Education was in Africa before the whole of Europe knew how to write, you are one of the stupid folks that praise Europe for getting you out of your so called dark ages. LOL I would not have been educated talk-less of using a PC if not for your lying Uncle Paul. . Get a grip.

truthman2012: You are a biased judge with subjective judgements. You believe the long essay you copied on the internet coined against Paul, using his writings. You believe Paul's words when quoted to oppose him but you don't believe the same Paul's words when they are to his credit.

It is people like you who think they can pull Christianity down that can take you seriously. Your exercise is total futility.

Jesus said '' I will build my church and the GATES of hell shall not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18).

Nothing, not even satan's direct attack (no gates) can
pull down the Church of Jesus. Your efforts is so minute when compared to what haters of the gospel had done from generations to generations, yet they failed.

If don't believe Paul, do you believe other apostles? I know your answer is 'NO'. It shows your problem is not Paul but the Gospel of Jesus.

If you don't believe Paul, do you believe in Jesus? I know your answer is 'NO'. It shows your problem is not Paul but the Lord's Gospel.

Keep wasting your time. Smh!

So you expect me to trust someone who avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Jesus and that of God. so?

truthman2012: You are a biased judge with subjective judgements. You believe the long essay you copied on the internet coined against Paul, using his writings. You believe Paul's words when quoted to oppose him but you don't believe the same Paul's words when they are to his credit.

It is people like you who think they can pull Christianity down that can take you seriously. Your exercise is total futility.

Jesus said '' I will build my church and the GATES of hell shall not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18).

Nothing, not even satan's direct attack (no gates) can
pull down the Church of Jesus. Your efforts is so minute when compared to what haters of the gospel had done from generations to generations, yet they failed.

If don't believe Paul, do you believe other apostles? I know your answer is 'NO'. It shows your problem is not Paul but the Gospel of Jesus.

If you don't believe Paul, do you believe in Jesus? I know your answer is 'NO'. It shows your problem is not Paul but the Lord's Gospel.

Keep wasting your time. Smh!

My Judgement is not bias and subjective my dear, If Paul has no witness and the Account of his miracles were by him and his secretary it only says one thing about Paul, Hes not nothing but a lair . 2. What you called Long Essay made sense or not? 3. I believe The other disciples not Paul and his Gospel. Believing in Jesus is another debate if u mean as told and described by someone who knew nothing about him NO.

1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

ERINLE

Orisa Erinle is not an Irunmale, that is to say Erinle is not among the “igba/irun/otalelegbaje-imale” that descended from ikole Orun (heaven or better put the spiritual world) to Ikole aye (Earth or better put material world).

This Orisa is very popular and well known all over Yoruba land and of course among the Yoruba Americans, Cubans, Trinidadian, Latinos and many more outside the Yoruba nation in Nigeria. Many Erinle worshippers are in Remo, Ijebu, Abeokuta Egbado in Ogun state. In fact there are families in the above areas that bear Erinle and Abatan (known as a path in Erinle). Erinle is also known to be the patron Orisan to llobu an Ijesha town in Osun state. The town lies along river Erinle that takes its source from river Osun along Ogbomoso-Osogbo road. Ketu and Okuku are other towns where people worship Erinle a lot.

Erinle means land elephant. This super human being turned Orisa is recorded in history to be an herbalist, hunter and farmer of all kinds – fishing, animal husbandry. He is known to be an extremely wealthy and always well-dressed deity in refined garments adore with cowries, coral beads and plumage from hunted game.

Erinle is known to be a male Orisa in Yoruba land. Erinle’s uniqueness is all about his inhabitation of two worlds i.e. water and earth. Erinle heals with water (from ocean) and leaves and herbs from the forest, he hunts on land for animals and for fishes in the water.

Yemoja is known to be married to Erinle at one time. But Abatan, which some people called a path of Erinle, is the power wife of Erinle. Some say Erinle is male while Abatan is female. When someone takes initiation into Erinle and the Orisa is consecrated for him\her, he\she would also receive Abatan just as in Obatala and Osun in many parts of Yoruba land. Erinle’s color is white while Abatan’s color is yellow\gold. Abatan is known to be Erinle’s perfect mix of female energies.

Symbols of Erinle
Erinle’s symbols are the clay pot called “ Ogun Erinle” or Awo-ota Erinle. Erinle’s pot comes in different sizes, shapes and designs, particularly the lid or cover of the pot holding “ota”, “omi” etc., depending on where you are in Yoruba land. Some come with a bust on the lid, some with a crown structure, some have raised relics where other instruments like “aaja – two edged bronze or metal bell, “agogo”-flat edged bronze\meal gong which is struck with stick are kept. The bust is usually adorned with earrings, “gele” cloth or headscarf, etc. It is also very common to see Abatan’s container placed next to Erinle, while some Erinles pot lid\cover is called Abatan or have Abatan placed on them.

Another symbol at Erinles grove or shrine is the Opa Erinle i.e. Erinle’s staff. It is considered to be an Orisa in itself like the opa in OBATALA. It is about 20-30cm in height with one apical bird surrounded by four smaller ones each attached to the staff separately at a lower level to the apical one in the center. An elephant image and metal chains can also be found as Erinle symbol.

Feeding Erinle
Erinle can be fed in a shrine where one or all of the above symbol exist and consecrated as Erinle or by the side of a river, swamp or marshland where Abatan is believe to reside, where two water bodies meet, such as river and ocean or sweet and salt water or clean and dirty water.

Feeding Materials
Erinle can be fed with one or all of the following oil (liquor), epo

(Palm oil) oyin (honey), Akara (Bean cake) dodo (fried plantain) ekuru and oole (made from beans) eko (corn meal)

Erinle praise songs
The following are some among way praise songs of Erinle

Okunrin gidigidi bi oke (A strong, brave and firm man like the rock\mountain)
2. A fun gbeleje bi oju Olodumare ti ko ni koreros (The clean and clear eye\face of Olodumare that does not grow any weed\grass)

3. Oloye nla (A high and important chief)

4. A ri ododo se igbanu fesin (One who uses a flower-like o wrap around his horse)

5. Erinle ajaja (Erinle, the powerful and ferocious one)

6. Panti oko (An embodiment of everything in the farm)

7. Agbele san omo sita (One who stays in the house and look\care for children outside)

8. Agbeta san omo sile (One who cares for children outside the house while in the house)

Appeasing\Feeding Erinle

The first thing is assembling what to appease Erinle with among those listed above or as prescribed in a divination or possession\manifestation.

Start by calling Erinle ajaja, three times (Erinle he powerful and ferocious one) Oba omi ni Igbo ajagusi, three times (The king in the forest of ajagusi)

Then say “Erinle come from wherever you are to listen and approves of our request\demands”. After this you chant as many as you know praise songs of Erinle to bring out the energy, and make your request while enumerating one after the other what you brought for Erinle.

This will be followed by the throwing of kolanuts (obi seeds) to know if your request is well taken or not or if something else needs to be done.

http://ifamatters./erinle/

truthman2012: No miracles performed by Paul you said?

Now I see! It is because you and other critics of Paul do not know him well. No wonder you are saying what you are saying. Even Muhammad who the muslims regard as high and great prophet could not heal ordinary headache. He ate poison without knowing and yet they do not heap up accusations against him despite his deeds. They believe him as a prophet. But here is Paul who did great exploits for the Lord but hated so much by the spiritually ignorant.

Now tell me, could a man without God's approval do all these? Then, since he had God's approval, men's judgments and opinions matter nothing in the sight of God. All you are doing only amounts to a waste of time:

Paul raised Eutychus from death in Troas
Acts 20:8
And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

Acts 20:9
And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

Acts 20:10
And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.

Acts 20:11
When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

Acts 20:12
And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.

Paul blinded Elymus:
Acts 13:8
But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

Acts 13:9
Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

Acts 13:10
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Acts 13:11
And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Acts 13:12
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Paul healed a crippled man:
Acts 14:8
And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:

Acts 14:9
The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,

Acts 14:10
Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Acts 14:11
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

Acts 14:12
And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

Acts 14:13
Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.

Acts 14:14
Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

Acts 14:15
And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16
Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Acts 14:17
Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.

Acts 14:18
And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.

Paul healed a woman possessed by evil spirit:
Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Acts 16:18
And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


The miraculous earthquake
Acts 16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

Acts 16:26
And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

Paul performed other miracles in Ephesus
Acts 19:11
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

Acts 19:12
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Paul not affected by viper at Melita
Acts 28:3
And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.

Acts 28:4
And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.

Acts 28:5
And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.

Acts 28:6
Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

So you expect me to trust someone who avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Jesus and that of God. so?

Carl Sagan (Scientist; Author)

"My long-time view about Christianity is that it represents an amalgam of two seemingly immiscible parts--the religion of Jesus and the religion of Paul. Thomas Jefferson attempted to excise the Pauline parts of the New Testament. There wasn't much left when he was done, but it was an inspiring document." (Letter to Ken Schei [author of Christianity Betrayed and An Atheists for Jesus])

Thomas Jefferson
"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." (All references not listed here, can be found in Christianity Betrayed)

Albert Schweitzer
"Where possible Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord."


Wil Durant (Philospher)
"Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ."
"Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Christ."

Walter Kaufmann (Professor of Philosophy, Princeton)
"Paul substituted faith in Christ for the Christlike life."


George Bernard Shaw
"No sooner had Jesus knocked over the dragon of superstition than Paul boldly set it on its legs again in the name of Jesus."

Thomas Hardy
"The new testament was less a Christiad than a Pauliad."

Hyam Maccoby (Talmudic Scholar)
"As we have seen, the purposes of the book of Acts is to minimize the conflict between Paul and the leaders of the Jerusalem Church, James and Peter. Peter and Paul, in later Christian tradition, became twin saints, brothers in faith, and the idea that they were historically bitter opponents standing for irreconcilable religious standpoints would have been repudiated with horror. The work of the author of Acts was well done; he rescued Christianity from the imputation of being the individual creation of Paul, and instead gave it a respectable pedigree, as a doctrine with the authority of the so-called Jerusalem Church, conceived as continuous in spirit with the Pauline Gentile Church of Rome. Yet, for all his efforts, the truth of the matter is not hard to recover, if we examine the New Testament evidence with an eye to tell-tale inconsistencies and confusions, rather than with the determination to gloss over and harmonize all difficulties in the interests of an orthodox interpretation." (The Mythmaker, p. 139, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1986)


Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher)
"If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul." (Paraphrased. Looking for a copy of "Not Paul, but Jesus" in order to retrieve the exact quote.)

Carl Jung (Psychologist)
"Paul hardly ever allows the real Jesus of Nazareth to get a word in." (U.S. News and World Report, April 22, 1991, p. 55)

Bishop John S. Spong (Episcopal Bishop of Newark)
"Paul's words are not the Words of God. They are the words of Paul- a vast difference." (Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, p. 104, Harper San Francisco, 1991)