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4 months to make just one dress? Una get time to waste.

keyanZuzer:
According to John, only one disciple was present

They were ALL present. As John explained in 1 John 1, the gospel of the disciples was the evidence of their own eyes and ears and hands. It was not hearsay or second hand evidence:

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.


All the more reason why the illiterate arabian pedophile cannot be relied upon as a credible source for Christ's life for the simple fact that HE WASN'T THERE.

keyanZuzer:
Thank you. So how the hell were Matthew, Mark, Luke and John able to give accounts of what they did not see?

Why would they not be able to give accounts when they witnessed it all? The disciples were only absent at the trial of Jesus before the Jewish High Council (The Sanhedrin) That was where Peter made his famous three times denial. At the actual crucifixion, they were in the crowd:

John 19: 26

…Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister, as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home and cared for her as his mother

keyanZuzer:
Remind me what chapter of the Bible Joseph wrote?

As Mark 15: 43 shows Joseph was also an important political figure in Jerusalem:


Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent Council member [/b]who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God, boldly went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus.

In the body of Christ there are many different duties and responsibilities. As Paul put it in 1st Corinthians 12:30:


[b]Do we all have the gift of healing? Do we all have the ability to speak in unknown languages? Do we all have the ability to interpret unknown languages? Of course not!

Joseph had his own role to play in the Kingdom that had nothing to do with writing.

keyanZuzer:
Lol! Was it Matthew, mark, Luke or John that took his so called body off the cross? Probably you don't know of Joseph of Arimathea

And who was Joseph of Arimathea? Joseph was one of the disciples. John 19:38 makes this clear:

Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away.

keyanZuzer:
You still quote these disciples. These disciples that fled during the 'persecution'

You mean the same disciples that took the body off the cross? The same ones who washed it and prepared it for burial? The same ones who had the opportunity of examining the wounds up close? I shouldn't believe them, but I should believe an illiterate Arabian pedophile "prophet" who advised his followers to drink camel urine?

keyanZuzer:
Here's another version

Jesus's words to his disciples when they saw him after his resurrection:

Luke 24:39

"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see--for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

keyanZuzer:
If the nail passed through a soft tissue, then it would not be able to hold him for that long as the force of gravity would force the tissue to tear off. The crucifixion pictures of the Catholics show that it passed through his ulna and according to Psalm 22:16 we find the phrase “They have pierced my hands and my feet.”

They have pierced my hands and feet

In other words, Metatarsals and Metacarpals. Not the ulna and the tibia. Also the Romans were in the habit of tying the arms of the crucified to the horizontal beam of the cross with corded ropes to make sure their bodies would not fall off the cross after they lost consciousness.

keyanZuzer:
Lol! How slow can the brain of a medical student with a 158 IQ be? That's by the way. Tell me something, how would a 7-9 inches nail pass through the carpals of a human without breaking? Or through the tibia of a human without breaking? The Bible clearly stated that he was nailed to the 'cross'.

The nails were not driven in at the tibia but in BETWEEN the metatarsal bones on his feet. The bones on the feet and the hands are widely spaced. And so the only part of his body that would have been damaged would be soft tissue, tendons and muscle. It is theoretically possible for the bones to remain intact.

Correct wakis must be chopped the right way

Nairalanders always gushing over cars that 99.9% of them will NEVER be able to afford

keyanZuzer:
John 19vs 36 which says Jesus'bone would not be broken

John 19 vs 36: Now these things happened so that the Scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken.”

The prophecy of David in Psalm 34:20 was fulfilled in John 19: 36.

Psalm 34: 20 He keeps all his bones, Not one of them is broken....

So how can the fulfillment of prophecy be an inconsistency? Or is the muslim mind too slow to grasp such a fundamental concept?

keyanZuzer:
The same scriptures that said no harm would come to Jesus even to the hair on his head is the same Jesus that was beaten and crucified according to the Bible. Why so many conflicting passages?

What scripture? Provide Chapter and Verse.

Quran 9: 29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth , including the Jews and the Christians. Fight them until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

In other words, make the Jews and Christians pay a tax for the privilege of being allowed to live.

finnestdope:
m not really sure dear

21 plus 13.

34

Ignorance has no boundaries.

keyanZuzer:
Really? Yet, the 'son of God', ' the kings of kings', ' the most high 'was scared and had to pray to himself to save him. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. (John 26: 39)

…. He went away again, and prayed the second time and prayed, saying ……and prayed the third time, saying the same words. (John 26:42-44)
Don't you find it a little bit strange? Moreover, we Muslims believe another was crucified in place of Jesus so, the historians have it right that a person(not Jesus was crucified)

He said: "If it be possible let this cup pass from me but nevertheless, thy will be done

Of course he was in agony because the prophecy said that Christ had to "suffer". It wasn't enough for him to die for our sins. If death was the only requirment for salvation then all Christ would have to do was to ask the Roman soldiers to stab him with a sword and kill him. But death was not the only requirement. He also had to suffer. The scriptures are very clear about this:

Luke 9: 22

"The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life"


Jesus had to face the daunting task of paying the price for all of humanity as a living sacrifice, and yet he overcame his fears and fulfiled the scriptures.

How you can equate Jesus overcoming death with Muhammad being afraid of a mere eclipse of the sun is baffling. It is typical of the the lack of intelligence I've encountered from most muslims.

dbiljmer:
My city is......
running splash of rust
and gold-flung and scattered
among seven hills like broken
china in the sun.

The brown roof republic? no thanks.

keyanZuzer:
LMAO! Accepting? I'm quoting your scriptures. Jesus was never crucified. Believe it or not. And when you talk about someone being dumb, I think we should agree that you type without thinking Mr. Smarty pants

There are at least 5 references to Jesus crucifixion made by historians who were alive at the time the event took place:

1. The Roman Historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus crucifixion.


2. Pliny The Younger was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. Pliny also spoke about Jesus crucifixion in his writings.

3. The Jewish historian Josephus Flavius writes extensively on the crucifixion of Jesus.

4. The Babylonian Talmud references Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

5. Lucian of Samosata was a 2nd century Greek Writer who also mentioned the crucifixion in his writings.


All these people were not Christians so they had no motivation to make up lies on behalf of Christianity. The only logical explanation why so many different people would agree that the event took place was because it actually happened.

Muhammad on the other hand was an illiterate who lived about 700 years after the crucifixion so only an idi.ot would believe the words of an illiterate over those of credible historical sources.

keyanZuzer:
Lol! That's why he was asking why God had forsaken him on the 'cross' abi?

So you now accept he was on the cross? I thought the muzzies have always denied that Jesus was crucified. And yet you are willing to accept his crucifixion in the name of taqiyya? You guys are dumber than I thought.

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keyanZuzer:
Lol! Really? Same way Jesus regretted dying in the cross abi? Tell me something. If Jesus already knew he was gonna die, why did he say 'Eli eli lamasabathani'?

Jesus was afraid? The same Jesus who said in John 10:18:

The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.

This is the person you said was afraid?

In any event, thanks for admitting that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins. Most Muslims persist in the stu.pid claim that he never died.

rolams:
You know nothing about what you are writing. Why can't you make thorough research on it rather than posting what you know not. Below are the response to your points

1. All these miracles can never be rocorded in the Qur'an as the Qur'an is solely the words of Allah. It is revealed by Allah to prophet Muhammad S.A.W. For You to get Muhammad words, you need to visit hadith.

2. Muhammad S.A.W was never terrified because of the sun eclipse. Here is the hadith you quoted
SOHIH BUKHARI VOL 2. 169-
NARATED ABU BAKR: IN THE LIFE TIME OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W, THE SUN ECLIPSED AND THEN HE OFFERED A TWO RAKATS PRAYER.
Now tell me in the above quotation where He was terrified!

3. You quoted psalm 96:13, let the world hear you that this is Jesus A.S statement!

Mind you, O.p is not forcing you to embrace Islam and He is not writing to please you!

May Allah forgive you.

I notice you "cleverly" tried to hide the full hadith because you know exactly what it says.

Let me produce the hadith for you in full:

Narrated Abu Musa: The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."[Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 18, Number 167]

You're either ignorant or you think your taqiyya tactics will work on me. I'm not gullible about Islams numerous shortcomings. I know them like the back of my hand.

hedris200:
Hadith 2:167

Narrated Abu Musa:

The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."

Try and understand the hadith well before blabbing rubbish

I understand the hadith very well, indeed better than you. I remember once when I was on an Arik flight and the plane encountered some turbulence. Some of my fellow passengers who were traveling by air for the first time suddenly started praying and calling on "god" for forgiveness. I had to calmly explain to them that they were not about to die, and it was simply an normal occurrence during flight.

Your "prophet" saw an eclipse for the first time in his life and he became scared that it was judgment day and just like those passengers on that plane who lacked knowledge, your "prophet" decided to say his last prayers to escape the wrath of his "god". Plain and simple.

Amazing. He could do all this and yet it was NEVER recorded in the Quran.

For someone who was supposed to be a "prophet" Muhammad did a lot of strange things.

In Shahih Bukhari Vol II No. 167 we learn that there was an eclipse of the sun and Mohammad was terrified that it was judgment day:

Narrated Abu Musa: The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."[Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 18, Number 167]


Questions:
Why would a “prophet” of God not be able to distinguish between an eclipse, which is a perfectly normal natural phenomenon, and Judgment Day?

Why would a “prophet” of God be terrified of Judgment Day? Shouldn’t he in fact be looking forward to the day?

In the Bible, Christians are told to rejoice when they see signs that the Judgment Day is approaching: Psalm 96:13 : “Let all creation REJOICE before the Lord, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the earth in righteousness and peoples in his faithfulness.”

So why was a "prophet" of God terrified of his judgment. Shouldn't he have rejoiced?

Proof that Christians do not worship the same "god" that these people worship.

No. 10 Alina Kabaeva

She was a State Duma deputy from the United Russia party Between 2007 and 2014. Since September 2014, she is the chairwoman of the board of directors of the National Media Group. Her dad is also famous, as a former professional soccer player.

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No.9 Vanja Hadzovic

Vanja is an adviser in the Ministry of Foreign affairs in Serbia. These pictures actually almost cost her her job as many Serbians deemed that a high ranking politician should not be posting seductive selfies on Instagram.

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No. 8 Eva Kaili

Eva has been active in Greece's government since 2007. In 2009, she was elected in the first district of Thessaloniki. During her term, Kaili has served on multiple committees, such as Cultural and Educational Affairs, Standing Committee on National Defence and Foreign Affairs, and Special Permanent Committee of Greeks Abroad.

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No. 7 Mara Carfagna

Once a former showgirl and model, Maria “Mara” Carfagna obtained a degree in law before entering politics. She was elected to the Chamber of Deputies for Forza Italia party in 2006. From 2008 to 2011 she served as Minister for Equal Opportunity in Berlusconi IV Cabinet. During this time she was named “the most beautiful minister in the world” and was ranked number one on Maxim Magazine's “World’s Hottest Politicians.”

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No. 6 Ruby Dhalla

Ruby was born and raised in Canada to parents of Indian origin. She has a degree in Biochemistry and she has served in Canada's House of Commons.

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No. 5 Nicola Minetti

The second Italian on our list and the only one who is presently serving time in prison! The former TV personality became Regional Councillor for the PDL of Italy from 2010-2012. Unfortunately, her time in politics was tainted by the infamous Rubygate scandal. Minetti had allegedly arranged meetings for former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi with a 17 year old prostitute, leading many to believe that this unqualified politician was placed in his government because she was a mistress of the former Prime Minister.
She has denied all the allegations but is currently serving a five year sentence.

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No. 4 Ayla Malik

Ayla comes from a powerful Pakistani family, and is a former member of the National Assembly from 2002-2007. She also established herself as a television personality and journalist. Unfortunately in 2013 Ayla was disqualified by an election tribunal when it was discovered that she had used a fake university certificate. It doesn't only happen in Nigeria!

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No. 3 Kirsten Gilibrand

Kirsten was Hillary Clinton’s replacement as New York Senator when Clinton was appointed as Secretary of State by Barak Obama.
In 2012 she was re-elected to an entire six year term with 72% of the vote, the highest margin for any statewide candidate in New York. She is one of the most powerful Senators of the United States Senate.

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No.2 Orly Levy

This Israeli politician is certifiably amazing. She completed her national service in the Israeli Air Force and earned a law degree at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya. She worked as a model and a local television host. She is currently serving as a Legislator of the Knesset for Yisrael Beiteinu.

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No. 1 Queen Rania

Our number One is a queen in every sense. The Kuwaiti-born Queen of Jordan came from humble beginnings. She wasn’t born into royalty at all. After graduating from American University in Cairo, Rania took jobs with Citibank and eventually with Apple Inc. in Amman, before marrying eventual King Abdullah.

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enemmo:
Wasn't this the school that did very well during cowbell mathematics competition?

Yes. It is the same school.

bukatyne:
Really?

Then a Minister of Children, restricting access to birth control pills to women without kids, making their elderly care package unattractive or making the workplace more friendlier to working mothers or a combination of all four will solve the problem.

I refuse to believe that most of the married women don't want kids.

Restricting access to birth control pills in this day and age would be deemed too draconian. I can't imagine any country in the West who'd be brave enough to incur the wrath of its female populace by taking such a step.

I think the functions of the new "minister" in Spain will tend more towards persuasion than sanctions.