₦airaland Forum

A detailed thread on Twitter on the criminal history and actions of our criminal owner. RA for Roman Abrahmovic. VP for Vladimir Putin.

Amoto94:
A person facing persecution

Soo am I facing persecution?? Why are you forcing me to be acknowledge what I'm not?

Agnostics DO NOT belief in the existence of a god, HOWEVER, they are OPEN to reviewing new knowledge about it and could theoretically change their stance. That's the distinction between atheists and agnostics.
Do you think a moslem is genuinely open to converting to Christianity? Is that not regarded as apostasy?

EmmanuelScott1:


Alaye rest

when it comes to criminals. I'm uncompromising.
Nonetheless I understand the phase you are in right now. I was there and it took me awhile to get to my senses.

When you see yourself vehemently defending a politician or a billionaire, you know you have most likely been brainwashed.
These are people who have gamed the system and done all sorts of nasty things to get to the top.

For many years here, when Roman Abrahmovic's picture was posted here, it was showered with platitudes and praises; Omo baba olowo, our sugar daddy, our rock upon which we stood and others.
We could only be eternally grateful for all he had done for us.

We chose to be blind to his faults. We never asked ourselves why we never heard from him in all our years of supporting the club or showering him with praise. We chose to be willfully blind to his very dark history. We fall for his scheme to whitewash his image.

Well, I'M NO LONGER BRAINWASHED. I hope you don't continue to bend your moral compass for this criminal. You can definitely separate Chelsea form the man. The club will always be bigger than any individual.

SAY NO TO SPORTSWASHING.

Amoto94:
Why do many criminals plead not guilty despite damning evidence of their guilt?

Because they don't want to go to jail. They are scared of punishment. How does this equate to Islam's who vehemently deny being Islam? Have you come across one?

Amoto94:
Whatever you say is irrelevant. Whether you like to admit it or not you ascribe to a philosophical position and you defend it with your supposed proofs and you claim that is not your faith? Tijani you're not as dull as this argument is making you look like but you're caught up in this mess because you're trying to defend the indefensible.

If you are forcing someone to accept something he's not, he's prooobably not religious.
I don't see christians or moslems who would argue for a long time that they're not christians.

Amoto94:
By definition agnostic goes thus, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God. Therefore agnosticism is a belief system thus a religion practised by agnostics.

All these are semantics. Religious people SHARE a common doctrine or Creed. Agnostics are by definition irreligious. They don't have a shared set of beliefs and doctrines. Rather , disbelief in any doctrine. Why the prolonged argument over definition?

Kloppo:
This naive guy really called his club's darling SUGAR DADDY a "business man that doesn't give a fvck about politics", Ogbeni... he is called a RUSSIAN OLIGARCH for a reason(use your dictionary if you don't know the meaning)...if he is not guilty,why is he stepping down and see whether them no go collect the club for him hand like they have done with his other assets, and can't even step his toes in uk

Werey come be like fugitive but he is not guilty

You can understand that not many Chelsea fans like myself would be brave enough to make a distinction between roman and Chelsea.
I can't stop supporting Chelsea because of Roman but I'm not foolish enough to continue to cheer for the criminal despite our shared love of the club.

Any right-thinking Chelsea fan would be able to separate the man from the club. He's a criminal first before anything. A hardened cold-blooded killer who just happened to have a soft side for Chelsea, the same way Escobar had a soft side for animals.

And moreso Abrahmovic owning Chelsea was just a means to an end for him, the same way Escobar built schools and homes for the poor in Medellin. These acts of "generosity" were not altruistic in purpose but a cynical attempt at buying love and public approval for political purposes.

However, we all now know that both are criminal masterminds.

andrewbaba44:
Many of them here Dey wait make man city drop point so that they can come and masturbate like they did last weekend

Swear your heart was not beating that he was about to lose this title race.

NinjaXmetahuman:
and who is the clean billionaire interested in buying chelsea ?

The clean saudis?

There are thousands of billionaires in the world. Many who have their money relatively "clean" or perhaps inherited wealth. Chelsea is one of the top teams in world football, it won't be difficult to have suitors lining up to own Chelsea. Anything better than a hardened criminal is better.

Would you be happy if someone like Pablo Escobar owned the club you loved?

Amoto94:
Cunny man die cunny man bury am.

It would forever be a mystery how the English media allowed the criminal not to grant interview for 20 fucking_years.
How did a whole British press cower to this criminal and allow him to get away with never giving a public interview even when they knew how evil he was??
That's an 8th wonder of the world. Did he buy the media?

NinjaXmetahuman:
very smart and you can tell he loves the club dearly.


He stepped so as to distance the club from unnecessary distraction and nasty politics currently going on.
Thats why he is best club owner in the world

Agreed. Best club owner in the world, unfortunate that he happens to be a hardened criminal as well,one that should be in jail.
I guess, every criminal has a soft side. We have enjoyed his blood money, hopefully someone clean comes in and takeover. its very bad that we continue to reap the benefits of ill-gotten gains.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Havertz10:
https://yout/

Stop setting this boy up for drags. Allow him to do his talking on the pitch. Let his numbers speak for him. Go to the Chelsea app and see the interview he gave, he was asked his best position and even he didn't know, he's as confused as his fans.

Havertz has a gigantic TWO premier league goals this season. A marvelous stupendous amount of goals. Outstanding numbers if you ask me. He has a whooping THREE champions league goals in his career. Again 5 champions league campaigns, THREE goals. Generational talent right there.

He has a wonderful SIX goals in 44 premier league goals. I repeat SIX goals in 44 premier league games. Do you know that even raphinha in a relegation team has triple that amount??

Look below and feast your eyes on the stats for the world's best generational talent.
My friend, please stop disturbing us with this fraud and allow this young man do his talking on the pitch.

timay1:
Sinner judging another sinner for sinning differently.

The billionaires in the West who made money from gaming the system and doing insider tradings and a lot of wall street shady shits are no different from Russian billionaires who deal directly with murder and blood to get their own money.
Both set of billionaires destroy lives of ordinary citizens that they exploit to make money.
The difference is that western billionaires kill their victims gradually and they die a slow and miserable death due to debt the ordinary people (Victims) incure from their loss in the stock markets, while the Russian billionaires do their own killing very fast and direct.

Not all billionaires got their hands dirty. Some are squeaky clean. Especially in the tech sector. Meet this guy below, vitalik buterin. One of the worlds youngest self made billionaires.

He got into crypto at age 17 and invented a now widely adopted cryptocurrency called Ethereum. Today he's worth more than 2 billion dollars. No blood attached. Just brilliance, hardwork and being at the right place at the right time.

We cannot continue to celebrate criminals who we now know made their money by killing people in cold blood. Roman Abrahmovic is a criminal who should be in jail. We cannot continue to let him use sports to wash his image and continue to be acceptable to society.

Havertz10:
you
Know this, WESTERN COUNTRIES WILL NEVER UNDER ANY CONDITION ALLOW AFRICA TO DEVELOP

My friend stop chatting bullshit. We have had enough time to shape our own destiny. It's been more than 50 years we've had to handle our own affairs.
Rich asian countries today like Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea and Arabian countries like Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia that were exactly in our situation decade ago but got it right and are now wealthy, what will you say about them? Mind you,many of them were also colonized by various world powers but they have since picked themselves up and advanced themselves.

Is it the west that gave us corrupt military regimes?? Is it the west that gave us abacha, murtala Mohammed, babaginda, buhari, tinubu??
All corrupt leaders at different times that encourage systematic destruction, mismanagement and plundering of resources?
Is it the west responsible for it?

Did the west stop Nigeria from building at least 3 super refineries in the last 50 years that would have given us better earning capacity and better redistribution of that wealth??
Over 2 trillion dollars have been stolen from Africa since Independence, is it the west?

We have had ample time to take our destiny into our hand but have failed repeatedly.

Drop this nascent victim blaming mentality and look inwards to the cause of your problem.

BlueRayDick:
I get u, but u should've known that only few people get that rich without having their hands dirty along the way. Most of these guys have one hidden skeleton in their cupboards, u mostly won't get to know until searchlight is beamed at them.

As I said earlier, one can rationalize and perhaps respect individuals who game the financial system to make money, using insider trading or political merit etc. Billionaires like Elon musk, bill gates, Jeff bezoz, warren Buffett, George Soros etc have all made billions by innovation, investments and gaming the system. No one can begrudge that because it's a norm. It's the only "clean" way we know, but criminals who make money from the blood of other Human beings don't deserve to be celebrated at all.

Just imagine that all Chelsea fans globally have been enamored with Roman Abrahmovic for decades, have loved the man to death for giving us what we love and virtually blinded us to the fact that he is a cold blooded killer and criminal mastermind, someone responsible for high level assassinations.. We never concerned ourselves with hearing from him. We just accepted it as a way of life and decided to be willfully negligent.
I'm ashamed of myself.

BlueRayDick:
Comrade, Now now Abramovic Don turn criminal?

HE IS!! HE ALWAYS WAS!! We just chose to be wilfully negligent.

I now see myself as someone in an abusive relationship. You know, like a girl who dates a hardened criminal or the child of a drug cartel leader. I mean you're being showered with the best life has to offer, but you know there is blood where that came from, you are loved by a criminal and you choose to be blind to the hurt and misery this criminal is causing and inflicting upon the world.

An armed robber goes to the road, kills his victims, robs them, uses part of the proceeds to buy a car and an expensive phone for you. How do you reconcile your enjoyment with the trauma of his victims?

Amoto94:
When has it become a crime to be associated with your leader and why should the West dictate to other countries how they should run their affairs? The atrocities committed by the West in the name of exporting democracy are worse than what Putin and his allies have done in recent history.
The West should climb down their high horse and toe the path of decency instead of this show of shame they are embarking upon .

I had to come back to this. What do you mean by "the west should toe the path of decency"?? What the fukk does that mean? Is it the west that is currently invading another country and killing thousands of people??

This same west introduced the best system of government to the world. One where the citizens choose their leaders and no one has all the powers. A system of checks and balances. One where you have a specified term limit and once you're out of power you fade into irrelevance. Today, bill Clinton, tony Blair, George bush, Obama, Nicholas sarkoszy, and other old western leaders have all faded into relative obscurity unlike autocratic regimes like Putin, xi jinping, Kim jong un, ayotellah Khomeini that have clung onto power and been repressive for more than 20 years.

We need to shed this excessive victim blaming exercise we love to do and look inwards.

Tell me how it's America that made Nigerian governors to siphon 60% of government budget unchecked yearly. How state assemblies basically vacation on the job and earn millions while not even understanding their jobs.
Or our judiciaries being one of the most corrupt in the world with nepotistic appointments on the highest court. 1 supreme court justice is the wife of a former corrupt governor. The other is the brother of a former military governor. How is the west responsible for this??

You are a brilliant guy but somehow you let your religious bias continue to shine. It's not right.

Ibime, people were right when they said this criminal was using our club for image and money Laundering. Have you read this report on the criminal by Forbes? It gives a pointer as why the criminal has never given a public interview before. A look into his criminal enterprise and takeover of the steel and real estate business in Russia. He essentially used Chelsea for sportswashing.

Ibime:
British press used to love writing on Berezovsky. Just Wikipedia him, it's all there. Beresovsky messed himself up cos he paid for Putin's election and brought him to power, but he started acting like Godfather telling Putin what to do and criticising him for being authoritarian. Roman outsmarted him in the relationship with Putin. When Putin wanted control of the TV channels so he could control the news, Roman bought the channels from Beresovsky and gave them to Putin. Beresovsky then sold all his Russian companies to Roman at knockdown price and ran to London. No oligarch is closer to Putin than Roman. I even think Roman is much much richer than what we see on Forbes. So much money in Russia is hidden. I don't see how someone with reported net worth of £10bln will blow £1bln of it on football. That guy got more than that.

Why should my affection for Chelsea be affected? Strong men own clubs everywhere.

Na waoo! I really didn't know the extent of his criminality.
There is difference between billionaires who have gamed the financial or political system to acquire their wealth eg, Walmart, Koch, Soros, buffet etc and straight up criminals who directly have blood on their hands and have made money by killing people, the likes of Escobar.

If Abrahmovic is indeed a cold blooded killer, I cannot in good faith continue to be happy and appreciate his works. The man belongs in jail. Funny how we never deeply thought about all these things before. Now we can all see the results of his political shenanigans. He is responsible for propping up a regime that is now killing thousands of innocent beings in the name of expansion.
I wish better placed investors can come and buy the club.

AnfieldFan:
Neville's PL first 11....

I just noticed a conspicuous absence of notable Man United team mates.....

Which ones do y'all agree with.....

No words for you.

Ibime:
Boris Berezovsky is Roman's mentor and fellow billionaire who claimed he gave Roman the money to buy Rusal and his name should be on the shareholding. That's what made Roman quickly sell his share in Rusal before Boris can come and claim it. Also when Boris fell out with Putin, Roman strongarmed him into selling his shares to Roman at knockdown price as he was fleeing Russia for his life. Putin sent agents to kpai the guy many times in London. He later died in mysterious circumstances.

800 people died in Russian Aluminium wars and Roman emerged victorious to control Russian Aluminium. When I read about the aluminium wars, that's when I start to fear that nigga. Sacking managers is nothing to a nigga who emerged victorious from that.

I would like a link to this story. Very interesting to know. You sef, knowing all these before hand, does it complicate the affection you have towards his nuturing of the club?

Ibime, nihilistjnr I would like to know your opinion on this Abrahmovic conundrum.
Where do we stand on this.
We've always known that our beloved owner became rich via very shady deals in Russia and has most likely helped in keeping a despot in power, but we never had any reason to feel bad about it.

It was very convenient to look away from this shady past seeing as the issue didn't concern us at all or there wasn't any much fuss to be made about it.

But now, that the situation has changed and his history is brought to the fire, what is the best stance to take about this man who has brought joy to our lives, who have created an institution that affect our lives?
What do you guys think?

AnfieldFan:
You've been posting these threats of sanctions against Abramovich but I'm curious, nothing's been found on the man yet. In fact, the author who alleged he had close ties to Putin apologized to him not so long ago...
So where's all this coming from?
If they think Abramovich is complicit then by all means sanction him, they don't need to make threats every time there's an issue with Russia...
What does it say about them (Tories ) considering the rumours of them receiving funding from Russia....

Read these;
https://jamestown.org/program/the-pocket-prime-minister/

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/yeltsin-daughter-helped-plot-cabinet-sacking-26194411.html
Surely you're not surprised that billionaires with enough pull, money and power are able to game the system and hide their affairs even from courts of law that require hardest evidence. Articles and conjunctions helps to put things in perspective.

raumdeuter:
To know whether Simeone is overrated or not, You tell where you rate him and where his performance is.

How is Atletico punching above their weight when they are currently 5th, and best they can get is 3rd. How many teams are better than Atletico in Spain to know if they are punching above their weight.
If you have the 3rd best squad and you are currently 5th on track to finish 3rd how is that punching above your weight?

They bought Felix for over 100M, They bought Lemar for almost 80M, They bought Griezmann, Suarez, Depaul Morata Kondogbia, Carasco, in the past 2years, How many of these were relatively unknown to you

1st of all, you can't use current form to analyze a team seeing as things could always change. You use end of season position to judge. Eg, mancity could find themselves third if they lose their next 2 games. Simeone is on track to finish as runner-up sef seeing as they have easy fixtures now.

Secondly, as Ibime and myself have pointed out, NetSpend matters a lot. Someone who saves up for a while to buy an iphone 11 and later sells the phone, tops a little money and buys an iphone 13 is judged better than someone who is just dashed money for the same phone.

Below is the team that faced man-u yesterday. I only know 4 of them. Imagine that after 3 years with Simeone, these many unknown players increase tremendously in value and are sold for other players. How is it better than a Madrid or mancity team that can simply buy another player to ADD to a player that might underperform?

I see how you mentioned players who are not even in the club again as players bought.
In the last 3 years alone, ATM have sold Thomas partey, rodri, morata, Griezman, Felipe Luiz, trippier, Lucas Hernandez to Bayern, Yannick carrasco etc etc. All 1st team players.
The guy is doing well.

raumdeuter:
Its the way football works.

Look at Dortmund before Klopp, look at how much he spent, and how much he won with Dortmund, the moment he took them midtable, he had to leave, No one was asking and considering where he took them from?
Even Wenger was let go despite where he took them from, having positive netspend vs his rivals, and building a stadium

I don't understand your response. I think you've pivoted from the initial argument.
Someone said simeone is overrated, you agreed with the person, saying "defensive managers" cannot sustain their pattern long term.
Myself and Ibime chimed in to tell you that he is not overrated, seeing as he is currently the champion of Spain and has kept athletico competitive despite all odds. He is still on track to finish 3rd like he has done in the last 10 years and could still make the quarter finals of the UCL. I'd say he has very much sustained his success.
Athletico continue to punch above their weight. They just built a brand new stadium. They've consistently sold off their best players and brought in relatively unknowns. You can't denigrate him.
Again, this was your initial argument. Let's not derail from the main point.

I don't think Abrahmovic escapes a severe sanction. UK parliament pushing to rid him of ownership of Chelsea, freeze his funds and seize his home in London.
If he truly loves Chelsea, he will sell the club to a capable hand. If not, it's most likely our club will be plunged in financial jeopardy for the foreseeable future.

raumdeuter:
No one cares what you did some years back, football is about what you have done lately, That is why a Mourinho is at Roma nowadays Atletico will not be judged by where he met them 11yrs ago but where they should be right now. Na someone take take Barcelona from perennial UEFA cup team in the early 2000 to where they are one of Europe's elite, Na someone take Chelsea from midtable to one of Europe's elite, They have all continued to improve the team or left

Ferguson met Man Utd mid table when he first arrived, No one was expecting and telling him that Man utd should be midtable 15yrs into his reign. You think because Moyes met West Ham in lower half he would not be expected to take them above that?
LvG took Bayern from UEFA cup to CL final within a year the moment he fell to 3rd in the league he was fired, No one was considering what he did for them 9months earlier

When you consider that his current squad has the likes of Felix, Griezmann, Lemar are all big money signings, Valencia Villareal and Deportivo are not his mates, None of them are buying a Griezmann or Felix type of player at this point.

If Tuchel goes on a losing run for 1-2months he would be sacked regardless of where he took the club from or what he won since he took over
No one will give Tuchel a pass to finish 6th just because of where he took the team from or what laudable things he has won in this short time just like it was done for RdM

When the topic is Jorginho, Its you that will come and complain that no team plays defensive football to achieve anything, but when its Simeone now, Atletico should be content with fighting for 4th in La Liga and qualifying for CL knockouts with 7 points because of where he took them 11yrs ago

Simeone is one of the highest paid coaches in world football, So he is expected to be delivering like one all the time not just 7 or 5yrs ago

This argument falls flat in the face once you consider amount spent and achievements.
I mean, we are talking about the current champions of Spain. It's not like it's been ages he last one something.
The other teams you mentioned like Chelsea, Barca, Bayern etc they all sack coaches because they expect a high level of performance considering resources available. Again, SIMEONE HAS NEVER FINISHED BELOW 3RD PLACE. In that same time frame, Chelsea have finished 10th, 5th position two times, 4th position 3 times.

For every star player that was signed, lots of star teams were sold; aguero, Torres, Costa, Felipe Luiz, Adam Turan, Diego Godin, juafran, Griezman and a lot more stars who left at their peak. Ibime has pointed out that simeone's net spend is 93 million. Compared to a bald fraud who has spent 1billion, Simeone is a miracle worker.
We have seen many teams fall off a cliff after building a new stadium. Eg, arsenal. But Simeone has maintained a high level of performance. He is currently 5th,very likely he still finishes 3rd or 4th.
He has been consistent.

Ibime:
Simeone has £93m NetSpend in his 11 years, half of what point and kill managers will spend in 1 season. Not all fingers are equal.

If you think his players are good, it's because he made them so. Who knows Oblak, Mandava, Lodi, Vrsaljko, Herrera, Llorente or Savic ,(Man City flop) if not for Simeone?

The attacking managers that were managing their mates like Valencia, Villarreal, Deportivo, where are they now. What nigga has done is take an Everton level team and put them in your consiousness as a top team consistently for 11 years and you are busy criticising.

You're very correct. The guy took them from where they were finishing below European places to a steady top 3 side, without spending much and building a brand new stadium. He is definitely their club legend.

Ibime:
Kondogbia bossing Manure midfield. Manure are going nowhere till they fix that midfield.

On paper, a midfield of Fred, Pogba and Fernandes is capable of competing against any team. On the field tells a different story.

Uk parliament going hard after Abrahmovic. We need a new owner ASAP.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7g0Jbna9VA

Very nice result yesterday. One foot into the quarter finals.
Good play from havertz yesterday as the top9. He linked up well with the other attackers, He was engaging very well in the defensive aspects of the game as much as the offensive aspects, while creating big chances to score early on. The question still remains though, is havertz a striker?? Can any big team rely on havertz to be a striker for a whole season?? Is that his best position??
I feel he's more of a makeshift, a patching up of a problem area.

As for Pulisic, I hate that tuchel doesn't play him on the left wing. Whenever he plays there, he is devastating. He should be the nailed on starter on that left flank, ahead of odoi and others. Also more direct and clinical than others.

As for our midfield, kante did a very good job, as usual triggering our counters by good close control, acceleration and breaking the opponents lines, nice assist to cap off a good performance but it still has to be noted that his basic flaw which is passing was still showing yesterday, he gave away the ball numerously yesterday by poor passing but makes up for this with his pressing to retrieve the ball and loose balls. I disagree with the man of the match award though because I feel that our defense did more than our midfield yesterday. Silva was our best performer yesterday, making crucial blocks, tackles and clearances.
Stats wise, Renato Sanchez was the best player yesterday. Our midfield succumbed to their pressure, we allowed them to boss the midfield but our defense did a good job of snuffing out their attacking moves in our final third.

I still wish to see a formation where all 3 of them play, kovacic, kante jorginho. They all have good attributes that complement themselves. Jorginho almost guarantees midfield domination, kante and kovacic inject energy and skillet that helps in turnovers and transitioning and hopefully, better creativity. We were overrun badly yesterday. When jorginho plays, we dominate possession but lack attacking flair. Use all three in the middle. That solves that.

I hope the injuries we picked up yesterday were not serious, we are entering the most crucial phase of the season. This is where we determine how our season ends and how many trophies we win. We can't afford much injuries abeg.

All things being equal, we will win Liverpool on Sunday. So far as Lukaku remains on the bench.

At this point, I think our owner is set to be a collateral damage in this new Russian war. He is going to be one of the Russian oligarchs that will be heavily targeted and sanctioned seeing as how he made his wealth is directly tied to Putin's influence. He is known as Putin's right hand man in Russia.

I personally think it's time he sells Chelsea. He loves the club soo much, we love him too for building what we love but it's not right that we continue to turn a blind eye to his corruption and role in upholding an autocratic and tyrannical government. If he loves Chelsea, let him sell the club to another person who would also equally love and invest in the club.