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Amoto94:
You lie unprovoked just to deflect attention from your goofs yet again, I don't support honour killings and Islam position on it is prohibition. As a Muslim if I don't support Sharia what should I support? Sodomy?
You are a societal degenerate who should be kept away from where sane people are living, your last girlfriend ditched you because of your homoerotic fantasies she really tried to rehabilitate you but her attempts failed to find solace she decided to end the relationship prematurely. No sane human will marry you knowing your fakeness and mental instability.

At least she knew her life and existence wasn't at threat. Unlike any foolish person who would dare to sleep in the same bed with you that you might literally murder in the name of honor killing and actually still roam free. You agree with an ideology that basically grooms serial killers. She mistakenly says, ohh I don't want to cover my hair at the market and gbam! there goes the head, detached from the body. You are sick.

Amoto94:
I have known about Abramovich shady dealings since many years ago stop rehashing old news, the world of real estate and entertainment is awashed with blood money and Abramovich is part of the global corrupt system.

Well, I didn't really know or care to know about these in the past, which is why I am fighting hard for others like me who were willfully negligent to also get their heads out of the sand and support the eviction of this criminal from public space.

Amoto94:
You are a fake person who supports something when you have no skin in the game. Nobody is happy with what's going on in Ukraine but your views are far too detached from reality.

You are the person living under a rock.

Is my view far detached from the British parliamentarians who now wish to sanction the criminal?
Or the journalists who clamour for a better society and advocate the purging of dirty money?
While others are doing something about cleansing the world, you choose to bury your head in sand.

You that attacks one for advocacy, Go look at your own profile. You have created 157 threads on nairaland, majority of them clamouring for adoption of stances of very strong Islamic extremist positions. Don't talk to me about grandstanding when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

You are a a disgusting hypocrite. One who justifies honor killings. Murdering of relations who are (infidels). One who justifies killing gays and supports sharia laws. You nairaland profile is straight out of a jihadists recruiting propaganda. So spare me with your sanctimonious bullshite.

nihilistjnr:
Let me use this brief interlude to advertise my market abeg

Are you always first to the pulpit at testimony time?
Do you find yourself talking too much?
Do you often box yourself into corners with your long and unnecessary arguments?
Be economical with your words and buy Wasalaye Bitters, and let somebody else do the talking for once.
Wasalaye Bitters.....brings out the enirojo in her

Nihilist, unprovoked yet again, you attack me. Any problem usually between both of us, always remember that YOU throw the first punch. I take it upon myself to avoid your every post especially those I disagree with but you really can't help yourself, can you?
You always want a fight with me, you want us to brawl and call names and go to lowest depth because you are a pig that loves the dirt more than anything. I'll pass today. I choose to observe further. I'm pointing this out because I don't want people along the line to start saying I'm hypocritical or victimizing when we get down to it.

Let me get this right.
To recap, I am being attacked because I am attacking a criminal who is responsible for untold human suffering today??

I am being attacked because I don't think it's right a corrupt criminal uses continues to use our club as a vehicle of image cleansing?

I am being attacked because I care about the suffering and needless death of Ukrainians??

I can understand that for many of you, the emotional bond is still too strong to see him any other way or detach him from the image of Chelsea. for the others the very strong hatred of western standards (or double standards) is enough to revolt against any action they take. For the few, of course the personal grudge and vendetta held against me for a long time is enough to always take a position opposite of what I say, be it nihilistic.

But at the end of the day, it still boils down to this.

Roman Abrahmovic is a corrupt criminal who killed people in cold blood to get his wealth, then used his influence to play a role in installing a tyrant in office, then bought a prestigious football club to whitewash his image

The minute you see him less as a savior and picture him more as an Abacha, that helps in putting things into perspective.

That said, of course I will continue to exercise my right to my opinions, just as you would, to exercise yours. That you decide to go for very personal attacks here unprovoked speaks to your own poor mentality which you accuse others of.

diggz:
OK, I am happy for you.

My guy if you move abroad with this your ideologies, life go shock you.

You better ask those living there now to let you know how they conduct themselves over there before you enter one chance. You having the right opinion is one thing...the way and matter you go about expressing your opinion na another matter entirely.

I believe Dayo, FBS and Ibims don already tell you indirectly sef.

Is there any different way I am expressing my opinion?

Havertz10:
philanthropy is bullshit, do you know the finer details of philanthropy?

Its only a small percentage of the actual pledge that is paid and its mostly used to serve causes that are beneficial to its owner

It's a western joke, want to help there are better ways that causes real change, I can break down bill gates own for you

Own stocks in companies that manufacture polio vaccine, use your charity to buy the vaccine at mock up prices and gift it freely in Africa, get all the platitudes and make sound financial returns with the stocks of the company that you own, also gets the added bonus of tax breaks for your gestures

Its oversimplified because I'm a nerd and I like bill gates but you get the gist

Waltons guy rest, you can't maintain wealth in billions without hurting or taking advantage of someone either directly or indirectly

That last line is not true, because one could literally inherit shares and property and just live off dividends or the proceeds of sales of some of the properties. It depends on the greed of the individual.

diggz:
@donjazet

My bro you need read this bit carefully, make you digest am well well because your emotional intelligence and ability to know when to make a call/move, speak up, move things around etc go determine how far you go in life. Know this now and avoid unnecessary self sabotage in life.

I am already as comfortable as I expect to be in life. Good paying job and health. My only last wish is to leave this country for a better society. So I think I'm well setup okay, with my ideologies.

Amoto94:
Abeg who sabi dig post for here? Let the post where you mentioned it be dug up unless you have erased/modified it you wrote it here sometimes last year or so.

So you that concocted such an evil lie against me do not have proof of this but decided to air it?
Again, not surprised, coming from a terrorist that relies on propaganda to convert fellow jihadists. But perhaps you should do a better job at it.

diggz:
Ibims na this your post create wahala for ground. A donjazet without any previous knowledge or clear opinion on the matter don suddenly turn into a subject matter expert.

Nice to see you back from your long hiatus. How was the burial of your mum? I hope all is well?
As for your post, yes! Turns out Ibime was entirely right. Im an avid and curious researcher and I delved into researching Abrahmovic voraciously and boy, you would be surprised what's in that can of worms.

I don't claim to be an expert on anything. I'm just like everybody else who forms an opinion from available resources.. if you did your own research too about him, I bet that your opinions about the criminal would not be far from mine.

Amoto94:
Donjazet claims are not to be taken serious this is someone who claimed to support abortion but when he got his girlfriend pregnant he was struggling to abort the baby because it involves him. His virtue signalling is nothing but a deceit to fool unsuspecting people.
Donjazet did you later abort the pregnancy since you support abortion?

What nonsense is this?? Where did this ever happen?? Why would you concoct this lie against me?
At least it's good to see you shed the sanctimonious face you put on here when 2 people are having problems and expose the demon within. The fact that you would concoct this lie in your head and present it as fact is truly mind-blowing. Go back to supporting your terrorists and praising the murder of innocent people in the name of honor killings.

Havertz10:
So righteous

I hope he also realises that killing isn't the only way to harm people, taking advantage of them will over the long term lead to their demise

If you agree with the above
Which company in the world today is spotless

Well, maybe not companies but wealthy individuals.

The bast example for this I think is the Walton siblings. The owners of Walmart. Their father built up Walmart, the biggest and richest retail store company in the world, however he did it, clean or not, he's dead now and passed his inheritance to his children who are now some of the richest people in the world.

I wouldn't hold a candle to them as to how they spend their money so far as it's not causing harm to anyone. Some may decide to donate a large portion to charity. If we have such as owners, that would be the ideal situation.

On the other hand; there are quite many causes for concern right now.
This is a quick fire sale, it wasn't planned long term.
Meaning plans that were long term in the works are abruptly ended right now.
Almost everyone in that boardroom will know their end is now near as new owners will bring in their own people. Marina, Bruce buck, Peter cech and high ranking staff etc will most likely be out of a job soon.
Such upheaval from the top means whatever they had in mind pertaining player contracts, transfer targets and negotiations that had been initiated are all in the gutter now.
It certainly doesn't look good now that 3-4 major players contracts are expiring because no player would like to be in such an unstable environment anymore. I think this makes it more unlikely that anyone going out will like to stay.


Then of course, there is the uncertainty as to who we could get as a new owner.
Abrahmovic is the only single individual who has pumped as much as he had into a football club, others are practically nation states. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi.
Do we find another nation-state, like Beirut perhaps?

Even Tuchel's job might not be secure. Changing owners is a really big deal. New owners want to start afresh bit hopefully they don't break what is not broken.

That being said, I'm overwhelmed with the conundrum all these present. It leaves a very bittersweet feeling behind.
There are only 2 positives one can derive from all what his happening.
1. The comeuppance and Waterloo that finally befalls a wealthy, powerful and influential criminal that has evaded justice for a long time. A shame it took too long for him to face all these. We must all be happy when a criminal is punished. The Western democracies are right in their actions here. All of us aligned with their principles have to stand with them.
Our brand Chelsea will no longer be associated with a known criminal. Hopefully we get a "relatively clean" billionaire who loves the club as much as the criminal did. One who also shares that passion about Chelsea succeeding in all areas.

Secondly, I think that the club being sold might be a positive in the shortest term, surely whoever is buying the club right now will definitely inject a very substantial liquid cash into the club almost immediately. We don't know how it works out long term but surely, they will be a huge cash injection into the club almost immediately. Roman's financial injection in the last few years had actually dwindled significantly. He only put in 19 million last year. That's not to say he didn't try. He never took money out of the club. That alone is a huge deal but there is a sense that he wasn't injecting as much as he used to.

FBS:
Na why I say this person no sabi wetin him dey talk rara. As in, just way off the mark. E be like say ogogoro dey worry am.

So because he is rich enough he should take an open stance against Putin? Mr man, where did you come from? Do you know what or who you are talking about? Have you been to Russia before? Ever heard of Berezovsky and many others I won't even bother to mention.

What sort of nonsense is this?

Your comprehension skills (or lack thereof) is astonishing. So because I didn't mention other power players, it makes my point invalid? I hate people like you who excel in criticizing opinions or trying to punch holes in logical submissions just for the sake of it. Without proferring your own opinion. You just sit back and type, this one is a fool oo, this one is mad oo, this one no get sense oo but at the end of the day, you have nothing upstairs as a counter point to the narrative.
That is just plain senselessness.
At least you can see how Ibime and dayo offered their own indepth although it was besides my point not counter.

Go and grow a brain homie. It's not okay to just criticize for the sake of it, offer your counterpoint.

NinjaXmetahuman:
mostly this.

This is not true.
Let's use an analogy that hits closer to home.
Buhari and Tinubu. We all know that Tinubu is one of the wealthiest and most influential men in Nigeria and this government today. Tinubu is strongly the reason buhari succeeded in becoming president. Tinubu was influential in choosing the most powerful men in high offices that run the and he indirectly affects the issues of the country from behind the scenes.

Now first of all, imagine a scenario where buhari is a dictatorial tyrant that apart from ruling with an iron hand in Nigeria expands upon invasion of sovereign countries disrupting global order but most importantly cause untold human suffering and humanitarian crises.

Short of engaging in war with buhari, the most effective strategy of getting to buhari is by tightening the noose around tinubu so that he could also pull his weight around buhari.

Just simply imagine the tinubu you know l, as wealthy, powerful, corrupt owning and running a football club very well. That he owns that club, is it enough to wash away his crimes against Nigeria?

raumdeuter:
I wonder why Roman is the focus of all these people, Is he Putin? Does he have a special attachment to Putin? Is he a Kremlin member

E be like say people who trade in outrage and get offended just want to make him a scapegoat of something not directly connected to him

Maybe jealousy from other club fans ranking up in the UK parliament. Liverpool, Arsenal Man Utd fans something cos this thing don dey pass ordinary eye. With his previous visa issue seemed like they never liked him he hasnt even stepped into the UK for many yrs, this Ukraine just gave a perfect excuse to give a dog a bad name

Like blaming Dangote for the atrocities of Buhari or Jonathan

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Part of your answers.

raumdeuter:
You think life is easy like that? Everyone knows Putin is a killer, but you want Abramovich to challenge Putin, risking his wealth and life because of what? Do you realize Roman might not like Putin personally but has to put on a front to save his life and business. He has seen what happened to his friends who got on the wrong side of Putin in the past and you want him to do the same?

When Roman from his bed "accidentally falls from a skyscraper" shebi US, EU and donjazet will change Twitter DP for a few days, Do Hashtag Roman lifematter and we will move on like the time of Jamal Kashoggii

In Nigeria why has Dangote, Otedola and Adenuga not openly challenged FG? Do you think they agree with everything Buhari GEJ and OBJ were doing?
This is not America where you can get away with govt criticism. Everyone knows how things work in the real world not fantasy world of idealism. Even in America where we think things are free, Many politicians, public figures and businessmen who talk trash about Trump in private will not criticize him openly while he was in power.

His Attorney General Bill Barr released a book trashing Trump, His security advisers did the same after he left office, why do you think they didn't do that when he was in power?

Your boss at work, Your VC in Uni, your state governor, your community head all steal money, why have you not gone all out to challenge them to their face

I have seen improvements in your thinking over the years but you still have a long way to go in differentiating real world affairs from fantasy

Enough with the fake patronizing already. Now, as I just told Ibime, I don't really expect anything from Roman. I don't think there is anything he could do to undo the evil he's already done. HOWEVER, it's atrocious that people would know what he's done, especially pertaining to his Kremlin links and the legacy we now suffer and still choose to selfishly celebrate him. If Roman was not the owner of Chelsea and we knew what we knew about him, people would certainly cheer his demise. But you see people celebrating a criminal simply because we are benefactors. That's selfishness at its core.

Ibime:
You can't go through life like this with no sense of pragmatism

That's like asking Dangote or Danjuma to go all out attack on FG

Most of his assets are in Russian companies. You are asking him to sign his death warrant and the impoverishment of his family like Berezovsky. Berezovsky was closest to Putin, formed and funded a political party with the sole aim of getting Putin elected. Criticised Putin after few months for changing laws so that the President could sack and appoint Governors. For that single criticism, Berezovsky is now dead after many years of exile and asset seizures. It's Berezovsky small boy Roman that you want to come and now raise shoulder. As things stand, nigga has already seen 30-40% of his wealth wiped out in the last week. He does not hold large shareholdings in Western countries. Russians don't so as not to get their assets frozen. Almost everything he owns was hammered on Russian stockmarket last week.

Roman is an Israeli at heart and also by Nationality. He can't come and kill himself over Russia matter anymore than say FBS will go on the street and jeopardise his family. Baba will soon pack up to Tel Aviv and let una kill unaself dey shout Russia, Russia. Nigga has protected himself from Western sanctions by having the Israelis fight his corner, and simultaneously protected himself from Putin by ensuring he tows Putin line. There is nothing like being friendly with a despot, you simply survive a despot by not rocking the boat. A despot has no friends.

I think you partly make my point. Your entire post highlights the art of self preservation and that's logical. We can accept that at the end of the day, this corrupt Russian Babaginda or dangote who became wealthy at the expense of lives and the Russian citizens and set up a dictator would get to live a fulfilled life. It's the way of the world. We can resign ourselves to the hopelessness of the situation but what we CAN'T DO is celebrate and idolize the criminals.
We need to ask ourselves this one question.

WHY DID ROMAN BUY CHELSEA?
In the answer to that question, you see the machinations of an evil billionaire at work. He used the club to insure himself against harm and launder his image after not just killing people but setting up his country for decades of tyrannical leadership.
In an ideal world, he's in jail certainly not celebrated and idolized.

Ibime:
In how many words can a man hint that he is not in support of the Ukraine war than by saying he will donate all profits from selling Chelsea to Ukraine war victims

When you are Russian, you don't come out and say you don't agree with Putin, that's almost suicide, but there are other ways to do it that Putin will understand and let you off.

Even FBS won't talk about his thought on the war, before he get a knock on the door from KGB, na Roman go come talk

Many Russian sports stars have been showing their sympathy without condemning the war because they know what that curtails. Smart men are not hot headed.

But it's not enough. Not for someone who was responsible for this in the first place. He is more than wealthy enough and prominent enough to take an open stance against Putin. Or even achieve it via back channels. Roman now has a global image. He's not one who people will Just forget if something dared to happen. He's wealthy and influential enough in order strong European governments to effect visible change.

He has not done enough.

Actman05:
Roman's at the root of Putin's power.

Thank you very much!! That's enough to hate the man times 10. When you learn of his murderous past, times it by 100. I understand that people are not there yet that's why they don't understand my over insistence on this. Spending billions to build up a football club {which wasn't acquired for altruistic purposes} is not enough to wipe out the deadly and corrupt practices of the past. One that we now get to live through to see the sheer scale of human suffering caused by the individual.

Unlimited22:
The Bay of Pigs invasion
Libya
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Vietnam

Turkey has held the northern third of the island of Cyprus for donkey years. Numerous world leaders of sovereign countries have been deposed simply for not dancing to the tune of the west. Colonialism was a thing well into the middle of the last century.

But its this one that all of you are bleating like goats about, in one of the most racist countries in the world.


You didn't see Nigerian politicians and the businessmen with government enabled monopolies to rant about.
Alaye if y'all don't geddifok..

Stop with the whataboutery. We can be enraged at all of them. When you bring up these talking points, you deflect from a disturbing issue at hand. That one is against Russia's action doesn't mean one is in support of the other actions. When those things you listed happened, they also caused an uproar globally, so it's not okay that you continue to parrot these talking points. It exhibits a poor showing of empathy towards human suffering.

A001:
And this is someone that only joined Chelsea at the start of the Abrahamovic era during Mourinho's first stint at the club.
If it were older fans like Ibime that joined the fan base of the club because of Celestine Babayaro before Abrahamovic bought the outfit, the criticism would have been reasonable.
He's lashing out at someone he's enjoyed (and he's still enjoying) his investments over the years in the PL.
That's sheer hypocrisy.

It isn't hypocrisy. It's me starkly realizing what I was blind to, all these years. Just like you guys are still blind to it, I guess.
It's me realizing he fooled us all. Are you not seeing what is going on in Ukraine right now, people who had stable lives suddenly being uprooted and not knowing their tomorrow or how to start afresh? Have you actually pondered on the issue?

Then ask yourself, who is responsible for this? Don't listen to either side of Russia or the USA. Listen to the victim themselves. Hear what they have to say and why they are being killed. Ukrainians are not the aggressors. Putin is. Now trace the root of Putin's power, and voila, you get to see roman.

I feel a bit of regret supporting him but I'm able to distinguish between the man and the club. I hope you do that too.

Important to note that I'm not seeing myself as ground sitting. My take on this issue stems from my shame in having aligned myself blindly towards the criminal.
And yes, he is indeed a criminal. Go do your research.
But even if you were lazy to do that. The glaring evidence in front of you about him being soo close to Putin, being central to the Russian government is enough already for you to despise the guy.

Surely you guys hate the likes of Abacha, Babaginda dangote. A few men who literally stole the fortunes of the general populace for themselves, setting the society backwards, being some the key actors as to why there is soo much suffering in our society.

Surely you guys are as angry and frustrated as anyone would be with these people. Would you celebrate them even if you were a direct beneficiary??
Roman Abrahmovic is a corrupt Russian oligarch who has played a key role in maintaining a terrible status quo in Russia. Surely, there are no Putin apologists here. Surely there aren't people mad enough to think Putin is a good leader doing the right things for Russia in his 20 years of leadership.

We must not accept status quo, we must continue to fight against them.

Roman has done something good that that brought joy to our lives but surely that's not enough to excuse his very terrible misdeeds. Think of him as the Abacha and Babaginda of Russia. Men who literally killed people for wealth and power to the detriments of a larger society. Perhaps that helps to put things into perspective.

Attacks from all angles, even friendlies.
I can understand, some of you have really not understood the depth to which Abrahmovic sunk to get his wealth.
1st things first , Google aluminum wars Russia, like I did. Then take your time to read the 1st 7 articles, both outdated since early 2000's and the latest. Hear from the horse's mouth, some of his court testimonies. Hear from his friends turned rivals, some of who prominently turn out dead from either suicide or poisoning. Hear other former Kremlin associates directly point the finger at him and say these in UK court's.
Also go to YouTube and do the same,they are some fascinating insightful videos and documentaries touching on the subject.

As I said earlier, we were all blind to his history. It's really a big deal for me that the only reason I got to love someone deeply was simply because he was spending cash. It really exposes how shallow we all are and I'm sorry but I hold myself to a better standard. I parade myself as an idealist. One who strives for perfection. Sometimes it makes one appear as "oversabi" or "foolish" or a "moral ground stander".
I accept all tags, not everyone can evolve at the same pace. I'm an atheist in a society where we're less than 10%. I'm a liberal in 95% conservative society. It's nothing new to be called foolish by retrogrades.
The least you could all do is assimilate more information about things you value to have a stronger stance on things.

swiz123:
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Basically stealing a living.

Him and mount, academy tax. We have to endure years of mediocrity simply because they are "one of our own". The other one has literally just cost us a trophy but still, useless stanners will Don their banner of shame.

Ibime:
Good to see Cameron Jerome squeezing out his last payday at Luton. Man was part of the Stoke team in those days of Tony Pulis

It's Snodgrass for me. I could have sworn this guy was playing for westham just yesterday. When did he age so much and go down to playing for Luton?

I'm really glad to see James mhen! There's this confidence the guy's touches and body language just exudes. Too mature for his age. Abeg no more injuries to this guy.

This sarr na idiot_oo. How many times do you make the exact same mistake?

NinjaXmetahuman:
Credit to rlc Again

I don't even know if he's playing at center back or central midfield. He's really balling today.

All tuchel subs effective. Master tactician.

That's it RLC, dribble and then release. More of that. I hope Tuchel doesn't make this position shift permanent sha. A credible opposition would exploit him at the back mercilessly.