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shantti:
England can't decide how christians refer to God. There is Israel, there is Italy, they neva talk na ordinary England wan talk

When you are using king James Bible you din't know that right. You just realized now. At least now you know

FarmTech:
Their madness is now beyond repair. I will not be suprise if Africa follows their pattern. Satan will always place his men/women in top positions in churches before he takes over. To every Christian know this: Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. Put your trust on Christ alone, not your pastor. Hebrews 12:2.

You wan Sabi religion pass person wey carry am come give you abi.

jogsman01:
Fashola and camera

that one cut deep.

olisaEze:
I no vex bros, just setting the records straight!

Na so.

MajorOvakporaye:
It is not difficult spotting amala and ewedu miscreants. TheChameleon aka Simplyleo aka LeoTheRat. Afonja head slamming urchin.

come on!!

olisaEze:
Without first delving through the internet, how many people can recall any song this 'papa-thank-sir' agbaya is popular for?? He is answering musician not because he makes music but because his family has had famous musicians nothing more! A shameless underachiever is calling a man who was already a billionaire at the age he is now an opportunist, tribalism dey disguise!

lol oya no vex

advocatejare:
Let’s do our discussion on this public forum. You saw my post here, let’s discuss it here!

okay then no prob.just not comfortable with the typing too much the features of WhatsApp is more convenient.but I will try sha.
I will give my replies then

advocatejare:
Donkmore you mentioned me on one of my topics on “Islam for Muslims” section. Unfortunately I can’t reply you there because I have been banned on that session. I will be replying you here


What does it mean to be in the belly of the earth for 3 days and nights? It means to be in the grave. Only the dead are in the grave and that was where Jesus was when he was dead for 3 days and night.

In the same Matthew you quoted, Jesus told his disciples about how he would die and resurrect but you acted as if you didn’t see it

Matthew 16:21
“From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.”

Matthew 17:22-23
And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.” And they were deeply grieved.




Satan who is the same as Allah lied to you in the Quran that Jesus was not the one that was crucified,
Allah said he was the one that deceived everyone that it was Jesus that was crucified!

Allah claimed that another person was used to replace Jesus on the cross and it was the person that was crucified, the deception of Allah.


And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
-Quran 4:157


So all the people of that time including Jesus’ disciples was made to believe by Allah that it was Jesus that died!

They continued to preach the crucifixion and death of Jesus for 600 years until Muhammad came and said that Allah told him that it was not Jesus on the cross that it was another person.

Allah supposedly deceived everyone for 600 years about the crucifixion and death of Jesus, and the same Allah is now angry that Christians believe that Jesus was crucified!

Who can trust such a god the deceived the whole world for 6 centuries?

If what Allah is saying is true, then Allah is the greatest deceiver like he described himself as Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers


Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

mākirīna is from (مَكْر [makr] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.

You know what why not let's discuss on WhatsApp. That way we can have voice notes and typeless to make things easier. Even some call on WhatsApp or what do you think?

08180916533.
Please I will be glad if you can reach out to me there

TenQ:
Allah supports Prostitution in the Quran
Mohammed later abolished prostitution ( in fact, he allowed, disallow, allowed and disallowed prostitution until it was finally forbidden by Caliph 'Umar)

Sunni Islam may be against prostitution BUT Allah NEVER abrogated it in the Quran: if you have such evidence , present it.

But which is WEIGHTER, the Words of Allah or the Words of mohammed?


Allah says that the Quran is SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND isn't it?
Quran 6:114
hall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail …
Quran 16:89
… And We have sent down on thee the Book making clear everything, and as a guidance and a mercy, and as good tidings to those who surrender.
Quran 41:3
A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Qur'an in Arabic for people who know

Why does the Clear word of Allah need Special INTERPRETATION by Human beings?



Your claim is that the bible was written by humans, therefore it is not necessary to contest your opinion!

Is the Quran the EXACT words of Allah dictated through Jubril and Perfectly Preserved?
YES!

Therefore, it is okay to TEST the VALIDITY of the Claims of Islam and the Quran!

Therefore, I challenge you on each ITEM below that SHOW that it is IMPOSSIBLE that an All-Knowing God Wrote the Quran. In fact the Quran bears all the marks of the intelligence and knowledge of a 600 AD Arab writer.

Again:

So, once again
If this YOUR CLAIM is true about the Quran
1. Why does Allah think that the Sun sets inside Murky Waters: I believe you know a little geography
2. Why did Allah say that men have their semen/reproductive fluid coming from their backbone while the women have their reproductive fluid coming from their ribs: again I expect that you know a little biology
3. Why did Allah forget that he is above going to hell fire in the Al-Fathia and he is praying to who for salvation
4. Why did Allah think mary the mother of Jesus is the Daughter of Amran (who is the Father of Moses) and mary is actually the sister of Aaron?
5. If Allah dictated the Quran, how come he seem not to know what he created FIRST?
6. Why did Allah (if he is God) allow Prostitution for Muslims and the guidelines for it in the Quran
7. Why did Allah think marrying and divorcing children is OKAY?
If these are untrue I can give you Quranic references: what if they are all TRUE?

Can you please explain: each of these contradictions and delusions?


Lets go One Verse at a time if you DARE!
Suppose I can prove at least one of them to be TRUE, would you agree that the author of the Quran cannot be God (but MAN)?

Y not na. Let's dig in.
But you accept that the Bible is not from God but man as stated in Luke 1&2

TenQ:
1. If you read the bible, there is NO WHERE where God Wrote ANYTHING in the Bible except the 10 commandments which was broken by Moses and he had to rewrite it with his own hands.
2. The Quran is acclaimed by muslims that it is the VERBATIM word of Allah dictated to Mohammed through Jubril and it is PERFECTLY preserved till today.
If this claim is true
1. Why does Allah think that the Sun sets inside Murky Waters: I believe you know a little geography
2. Why did Allah say that men have their semen/reproductive fluid coming from their backbone while the women have their reproductive fluid coming from their ribs: again I expect that you know a little biology
3. Why did Allah forget that he is above going to hell fire in the Al-Fathia and he is praying to who for salvation
4. Why did Allah think mary the mother of Jesus is the Daughter of Amran (who is the Father of Moses) and mary is actually the sister of Aaron?
5. If Allah dictated the Quran, how come he seem not to know what he created FIRST?
6. Why did Allah (if he is God) allow Prostitution for Muslims and the guidelines for it in the Quran
7. Why did Allah think marrying and divorcing children is OKAY?
If these are untrue I can give you Quranic references: what if they are all TRUE?

Can you please explain: these contradictions

Please give me Quranic verses so explain some for you.
The as per what you call prostitution I don't understand. Because islam is against that.

You see the problem you people do have with Quran is explanation of verses which if you read the commentry you will understand.
Just read the commentry of those verses and you are good.

But your own book has contradictions that is one lie / one truth.

In Samuel we are made to know " Saul enquired of the Lord but he did not answer him by dream or prophet"
But Chronicles said " he did not inquired so God killed him"
Did he or did he not inquire.( Which Is the lie which is the truth)

Keturah Genesis said is Wife of Abraham, Chronicles said She is not wife but concubine.
What is she? (Which is the lie which is the truth)

Lord moved David to number isreal another said. Satan provoked him. Who did? Satan or the Lord? Who lied? Because Satan and God are not synonymous terms
The list goes on and on actually
Is you want the verses I can provide for you

advocatejare:
Let me show you how the Quran led me to Christ:

It is stated in the Quran that Jesus didn't die, that he was raised to heaven in his body and spirit.

"Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with body and soul) to Himself (in the heavens). Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise." (An-Nisaa 4:158)

As a Muslim we were made to believe that Moses prophesied about Mohammad in Deuteronomy 18:15 and in verse 20 of the same chapter Moses said any fabricator or false prophet that tried to impersonate the Prophet he talked about shall die.

Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’

Only Mohammed tried to deceive people that he was the Prophet Moses talked about and Mohammed eventually died,

Jesus that also said he was the Prophet Moses talked about did not die according to the Quran, and that confirms his authenticity, that among others led me to Christ.

As for Christians, we believe that Christ died for just 3 days and resurrected again and since death could not hold him down, he resurrected with his body and soul intact and then ascended to heaven and remains alive till forever, whereas Mohammed is dead.

In your last paragraph you said you believe that Jesus died. Is that what he said? He said in Mathew 16:4 " A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed."

" For as Jonah was 3 days and 3 night in the belly of the fish so shall the son of man be 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth"

So now you tell me what the sign of jonah was.

How was Jonah in the belly of the fish? Dead or Alive?

Answer with honest if you fear God.
Remember he prayed to God inside the fish.
So answer was he dead or Alive.

Be that's the only sign Jesus said you should take and that the only valid point in the discussion.
So you please answer was Jonah dead or Alive

To me he was Alive a for the 3 days as the story says

So why will you say Jesus died when he said he would be as Jonah was for those 3 days.

If he died then has lied
Because that was not as Jonah was.

The Quran confirms it said "We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him."

*Certainly they killed him not*
*It was just made to appear so to them*

Now you will say God does not trick people, I will tell you that then you don't know the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

So the Quran said they have believed a lie. For certainly they killed him not.

Thanks
Qomorudeen

TenQ:

FIRST: The Word Gospel means "Good News" and it is NOT a book: it is a Message.


What is the Message?
1. That the Messiah has come!
The Messiah is One who is to rule the Whole World and Create a Eutopian Civilization whose domain is without End. In modern day terms we will call it Paradise .
2. The Messiah is the Gift of God to Humanity: that whosoever BELIEVED in Him will not perish but earn eternal life with God in Paradise. Through the Messiah all who know that they are SICK in their Soul/Spirit through the Virus of Sin can get healed and thus be qualified for Paradise: for it is impossible for a sinner to inherit the kingdom of God.

Why are ALL Humans in Trouble?
1. Because ALL humans are sinners by nature AND no one contaminated with sin can be united with God after this life in His paradise. We ALL inherited our sin nature from Adam and Eve.
2. God is Absolute, Just and Infinitely above ALL, He has set a boundary of perfection around Himself. By God's law, the minutest sin must be Judged as VIOLATIONS of God's rule is taken extremely seriously by God.
3. It is impossible for ANY violator of God's rule to UNDO the consequence of his sin.
4. All Violators of God's rule face the "Second Death"! Death is NOT a form of Annihilation BUT a DISCONNECTION. The second death is an Eternal REJECTION and DISCONNECTION of such a guilty person from God to a place described as "the Lake of Fire"!

Why is it the Good News?
1. Because God so much loved Humanity, He presented a Perfect SACRIFICE as a GIFT to pay the PENALTY of our sins. Then, God can execute Justice on us and yet Free us from the consequence of our Sin.
2. In the Old Testament, God instituted the Ordinance of SACRIFICE to atone for the sin of the children of Israel: The sacrificial animal thus become a SCAPEGOAT for them. The children of Israel commited iniquity BUT the sacrificial animal is paying with its life for their sin. This have to be repeated often and at least once a year. This was an allegory to the atonement that will be done by the Messiah.
3. In the New Testament, the Messiah came as Human but did NOT inherit the SIN nature of the descendants of Adam and Eve so that He is the perfect Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. The sacrifice of the Messiah is INFINITE, therefore He can take Upon Himself the Infinite nature of God's Judgement for people.
4. Anyone who BELIEVES and ACCEPTS Gods Solution for His Sin as a Free Gift of God becomes BORN AGAIN. Meaning that He becomes a "NEW PERSON" as far as God is concerned: "A CHILD of God" and Disconnected fromnthe Curse of Adam and Eve!

Jesus explained this process of becoming a Child of God in John 3:14-15
Jn 3:14-15:
"And just as Moses lifted-up the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up in order that everyone putting-faith in Him may have eternal life."

Let me Explain briefly:
In Numbers 21:4-9
#1. The children of Israel blasphemed against God and Moses
#2. God punished them by sending exceptionally poisonous snakes into their camp
#3. After thousands have died as the snake venom defied all medical solutions, the children of God knew that this was God's Judgement against them.
#4. They asked Moses to beg the LORD for them to Forgive them and Remove the snakes. Moses went up to the LORD to plead for the Children of Israel
#5. God forgives them but He would NOT remove the poisonous snakes. Instead, God says to Moses:
i. Make a snake image and hang it on a Pole in the center of the camp of Israel.
ii. Any Israelite that is bitten by a snake should drag himself to the place where the brass snake image was hung and look.
iii. Anyone who believed in God's solution for the snake venom and look at the brass snake will live and not does as a result of the venom.

Salvation through Christ Explained:
Anyone who BELIEVED in the SOLUTION of God ( to look at the brass snake) lived. Everyone who REJECTS the Solution of God for the venom DIED.

Jesus said: Just as Moses hung a snake image in the wilderness, so the same way He would be hung. Anyone who Believed in God's solution will come under the covenant of God's Peace.
JESUS Described those who Believed in the SOLUTION of God for their Sin by coming to the Messiah hung on the Tree as BORN AGAIN.

John 3:14-15:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

And then:
John 3:16-18:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Unfortunately, Jesus said that:
This FREE GIFT of God will be REJECTED by many and you my dear Muslims, you are of them.
John 3:19-20:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

Your Questions Please!
This time around, I am not asking you the questions


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Actually, I didn't read this thread. But the Bible according to George Bernard Shaw is the most dangerous book on Earth. He said keep it in the lock and keys.

No honest person will still be a Christian considering the amount of clear contradictions in the Bible.
The book does not have a claim from God that it's his own
Even the word Bible is no where in the Bible

God is not the author of confusion
So there is no way the Bible with so much controversy can be from him.

Clear evidences

sonmvayina:
What was the last straw that proved it was all a lie and you left over? Make comments and tell your story. I’d love to hear from all of you. Reference any specific verses you realized were a lie or mistranslated on purpose by Christian’s.

I'll start..

I was never a Christian but i Don't mind the religion till recently. I learnt a lot and honestly. No honest person should be a Christian considering the amount of contradictions in the Bible. There no claim from God there that it his book even the word Bible is not in the Bible.

Righthussle:
Some Christain women wicked oo. Hardly you see a muslim woman treat a child like this.

Before you mention me. Please know that I am not a Muslim neither am I a Christain. I'd rather die than practice any of these religions.

that death own you no get choice

EmiDon11:
I didnt see any difference.
Only the name upgrade.

Designs are thesame thing, same spec, same battery life.

Or is there any difference?

The name be the difference my man

Agbegbaorogboye:
You're just making wild claims. He bowed his face to the ground. All this your play on words make no difference.
I've asked you to show me where a human can be called son of God in Islam.
Oga, my security's five year old son is not circumcised. And I know many Muslims in the North who are not as well. They will tell you it's not part of their culture. You can show me where circumcision is required for Muslims

Not to the ground o. It says towards the ground that is in that direction. It's different from falling on the face.
I can practically call any younger lad my son * say good morning sir, i can reply how are you my son* no harm in that it's just the genius of the language. But the moment I say I am the one that beget the child. That is I sired the mother, then the meaning change and it's no more funny because at that point I am insinuating he is a bastard. That I will be reprimanded for.
So saying sons of God as genius of the language is no harm, but once you say God begets that is Sired Mary, we say no that's not possible God never begets or and he is not begotten.
Circumcision is a part of the " law of men" given to us in the Sunnah of our prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) so if your gateman's child is not circumcised then the are not following the law.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Lol. You almost made me feel like I've forgotten my Bible. Here:



If the Bible says David was a son of God according to you, then that means David could not have been a Muslim since the Islamic teaching says all are slaves to Allah. Besides, how does that negate the fact that Jesus was called son by the voice of God from heaven according to Matthew 3?
Where exactly did Jesus preach against eating pig? Can you quote the verse? Sorry circumcision? Where did Jesus command that? Besides, I'm aware Muslims don't do circumcision, especially Northern Muslims. So show me where Islam preaches circumcision and why majority Muslims in Nigeria don't practice it.
It's interesting you say they all preached against killing. Muhammad killed people!!
Jesus said in John 14. You believe in God, believe in me also.
And he also preached being born again in John 3 and not just repentance.
Meanwhile, Jesus recognized himself as the only begotten Son of God and said he is one with the Father. He also said whatever you ask God in his name God will do it.
So there's nothing Paul preached that was outside Jesus or his commandments. He explicitly said in Phillipians 2:9-10 that God has highly exalted him (Jesus) and given him a name that is above every other name that at the name of Jesus, every knee must bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is lord, all things in heaven, on earth, and under the earth (of which Muhammad is)
So, Paul's beliefs on salvation are not any different from that which Jesus preached.
Note also that Paul was not even the first Trinitarian. John the Elder first preached the trinity and so did Luke the physician

To bow towards the ground is not to fall on your face . There is difference already told you if you are son of God because you live in way of God no problem. The problem is to say that God begets, because he never begets.
We are servants of God and everything will come to God as servant.
Leveticus said swine is unclean. jesus said " think not that come to destroy the law" also not a jot will go unfulfilled in the law. He also killed 2000pigs
And circumcision It's a contract between Abraham and God on all his descendants. Even Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but Paul said it doesn't matter so Christian don't do it. But the disciples cannot know more than the master. All Muslims are circumcised just like Jesus to fulfill the covenant.
Jesus preached name of God " Our father who hath in heaven hallow be thy name" exhort name of God. And that's what we do as Muslims

Paul said the name of Jesus is the one to exhort.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Well Abraham also bow down to three men in Genesis 18.
Abraham was also referred to as a friend of God in same Genesis.
Jesus was referred to as God's son
Moses according to Exodus spoke with God as a man speaks with his friend, face to face
Are all these also part of Islamic teachings and worship of Allah?

And how do you mean I'm doing the religion of Paul? Do I pray in Paul's name or preach about Paul? Do I say Paul is the last prophet as you say Muhammad is?
You practice the religion of Muhammad which Abraham, Moses and Jesus never practiced and call Muhammad the last prophet without any evidence yet accuse others of practicing the religion of Paul without any evidence

So, he didn't bow for 3 men he received them as guests. He never fell on his face for anybody except his creator.
For as many as are living in the way of God can be called son of God. It's the Jew language, David was son of God too God has sons by the ton in the Bible.
Also your Bible said nobody ever saw God.

Talking about the practice
Muhammad (S.A.W.) and Moses(pbuh) also Jesus (pbuh) all had thesame practice
They all preached against eating pig
They all preached circumcision
They all preached that the Lord God is one
Muhammad(s.a.w)" there is no God but Allah"
Jesus(p.b.u.h)" this is life eternal, that they know that you are the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent"
Moses(p.b.u.h) first commandment " oh isreal your Lord thy God is one"
They all went fell on their face to pray to God
They all preached kill by sword die by sword
They all preached praying to God directly
They all preached Keeping the commandments
And
repentance as salvation
But Paul Preached Trinity
Preached non circumcision
Eating of pig I think that was Peter
Blood of Jesus as salvation
Not bowing for God
Praying through Jesus and alot of other doctrine of Christianity today

But Jesus already say the disciple cannot know more than the master
Also he said he is the way not his disciples

hopefulLandlord:
I'm not a Muslim. never have and never will be

I hope you know Muslim means those that submit to God
So if you will never be that, the prepare your self with whoever you submit to to face God together.

Agbegbaorogboye:
How does bowing down to pray make one a Muslim?
Traditional worshippers in Africa also bow down their heads to pray. I guess they are also Muslims.
Did Jesus ever pray facing Mecca or fast Ramadan? Or did he ever say Allah Akbar

That's because bowing is the highest level of the devotion to any object of worship. The closest you are to God is when you are face on the floor according to my prophet (S.A.W.)
So no way people who know and submit devoutly to God wouldn't bow to him. Only him deserve the our face down

So Muhammad did
Joshua did
Abraham did
Moses did
Jesus did
But you cannot because according to you it doesn't mean anything.
Only you 4 wise men
We say we are Muslims in submittion to Allah.
You are not doing the religion of Jesus

You are only doing the religion of Paul.

What Jesus practice hardly can you find 3 that you do.

So come to reality with yourself

hopefulLandlord:
I'm. not a Muslim. never have and never will be

jokes on you right. Jesus and Moses and Abraham were Muslim according to Bible too.
... And Moses and Haron fell on his face and pray. (Bottom up head down)." Number20:6
... And Abraham fell on his face and pray. (Bottom up head down). "Gen. 17:3
... And Jesus fell on his face and pray (Bottom up head down) Matt. 26:39

You sha cannot say Abraham was a follower of Christ. He was of those who now down to God and submits to God. So was Jesus and Moses also
We mulims also in the bid to worship God as due bow. So if you say you can be part of us jokes on you.
You think the religion of Paul is what will avail you.
Jesus is the way not Paul and also according to Jesus the disciple can not know more than the master
We follow the master, what ever he does we do.
So you tell me who is on the way of the master.

twind111:
will make the world go blind ��

see person wey Sabi pass Jesus and Moses