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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Words of a Christian?



I no know if you dey confused, or you no wan stay one place

Choose one abeg [/color]

swiz123:
You always want to drag people down to your level of reasoning....

Are you arguing for Oyedepo or churches in general? Cos my reply was based on what you said about churches as a whole.

Now, I won't argue what Oyedepo did with you because you are already asking me a question based on what you inferred from the letter. Use his exact words verbatim first

NinjaMetahuman:
lol this post strong o.

So you are a Christian that does not believe in bible or practice Christianisty stuff?

Further explanation needed.

swiz123:
[s]When you are arguing with educated people, choose your words correctly... Here no be beer parlor.

Now, a business is an economic-oriented organization producing a known commodity or service with the primary motive of profit maximization..

NGOs and NPOs are granted tax exempt status simply because they do not have profit maximization as their primary objective. A church is a non profit organization (NPO) because their main motive is not to make profit but to convert souls to share in their belief.

Just like NGOs, churches need funding for their continued viability. But their sources of funds are not through issuance of shares, bonds, commercial papers, invoice discounting and other money and capital market instruments which is common to a normal business. Those who invest in all these securities do so with the expectation of a profitable ROI. Any profit accumulating to your portfolio is taxable. For churches however, their sources of funds are through donation, aides and grants which are all voluntary. Those who make these donations those do so with no expectation of returns.

All NGOs and NPOs also employ workers, pay them salaries. This forms part of their expenses amongst their other expenses.

Now, suggesting that contemporary churches are run LIKE a business is not out of line with reason but saying that they should be officially recognized as a profit making venture and their tax exempt status rescinded is unreasonable. Cos apart from being wrong, it could also cause religious tension which fuels divisity... This is because, there will always be a lingering question why mosques isn't taxed.[/s]

swiz123:
Define a business... Therein lies the end of the arguement.

schurley:
That's what is being painted by our freethesheeple fanatics here now.

Didn't even knew that Donstan18 was once an Apostle. Bro why did you retreat, your own church business didn't yeild profit?

seankafor:
That pastor wey talk say England go carry euro..
He don comeback to defend his blunder


https://www.yabaleftonline.ng/gods-word-not-betting-football-prophecy-failed-come-pass-because-betting-prophet-kobi/

MorataFC:
Disrespect?
Nothing of such

raumdeuter:
All the church leaders asslick govt because govt can make life hard for any of them

Oyedepo was doing for Jonathan and PDP while Adeboye is doing for APC and Osinbajo (by extension Buhari)
All those import waivers, Presidential prayers, all those are not for free

2 govt law change can run anyone out of Nigeria

Amoto94:
Google "Oyedepo Criticises Buhari" and you will see something like this

Amoto94:
There are several instances of him making inflammatory statements against the present administration, it shoes again that you don't know what you are saying and that you're parroting a narrative you've heard others saying just to sound cool.

macjireh:
abi na u go soon understand... wen Jesus told peter "on D's Rock I will build my Church,,na only one Rock and one Church Jesus referred to....All d many churches u see out there today with divers doctrines and beliefs will soon begin to merge...d body of Christ will be one not many...too many churches out there na d reason Y many people are becoming atheists and unbelievers.... all dat will be over as ds decade proceeds...many GO's will leave d scene soon and very very few news ones will rise and unite d churches,,then people like u will understand

raumdeuter:
What is wrong with the statement in bold? Why would you live and be invested in a country and not believe it will get better?

afrodoc2:
Bruv you are a Christian by faith and belief but see as you pieces Bible.

E shock me o.

Even those of us that believe in Fenibeso, Atum, and Ahura Mazda no dey pieces Bible like that.

MorataFC:
YOU NEED TO CONNECT WITH HIM OR OWNS A CHURCH TO KNW HOW IT WORK

1 Corinthians 2:14, KJV: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

New Living Translation
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

macjireh:
So in all those thinz u did,, did u see Jesus and speak with Jesus face to face or have visitations from Angels... if u didn't,,then that means u have not seen it all....all u saw were letters of d bible and the mistakes of men...there is more than meets d eyes

Amoto94:
Your take on talents holds no water because you've proven consistently on this thread that you know little to nothing about football in general by your hasty judgements and emotional diatribes.

macjireh:
let me help u here...bible says narrow is d way dat leads to eternal life,,abi...d same applies to Pastoring... even though there may be 1 millions pastors opening churches everywhere and preaching,, d truth is dat most of dem don't have connection to d Jesus they preach,,dat is if they preach Christ at all... any body can open a Church,, carry bible and just preach,,but to have a true connection to Jesus Christ and God the Father is not mai mai...In actual fact,,God is not interested in d scattered Church system running in d world today,,God seeks to unite d Church as one entity to stand against wat is about to hit d world...So there's going to be a Church and a pastor somewhere who will host Christ on earth,, from dat Church all oda churches will begin to align and unite as a single force,,they will all have one doctrine and one practice... a time is coming wen we will know the real and fake pastors,, it will be so clear...

User09:
I'm with donstan18 here. Funny how you guys say he doesnt asslick.

Ask around during the days of Amosun. You have no idea what the man did behind closed doors after openly confronting Amosun.

Not to derail or anything but you have all been sold a dummy

seankafor:
hahahaha

I know that particular church and pastor.. it's one in hundreds littered Owerri..

There is one called Fabian the trumpeter... forget church na business

MorataFC:
are u using one as a standard to all others?
Nothing new here, Jesus had foretold this in his warnings.

macjireh:
hope u will calm down now....if u continue,, I will keep showing u scriptures to calm u down

macjireh:
Its the Father's business... there are different kinds of business

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I have shown you one foreign pastor now, and you have changed it to a competition.

Bros, Nigerian pastors are learners where their American counterparts are.

Whether pastors are scammers or not is another discussion entirely.

But just know that what our pastorpreneurs do, the Americans do it five times more[/color]

afrodoc2:
Naija pastors learnt from American pastors o. They just added Naija flavour to it.

Taguchi:
still freewill donation, him no force dem na.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I will bring videos of more than one.

You really don't want to go down this path

Let me test the microphone with this. While searching for Oyedepo's, kindly look up this guy too

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izzou:
[color=royalblue]What does a church in Nigeria do that a church overseas doesn't do?

They both take offerings, tithes and donations.

So, educate me, sir[/color]

nihilistjnr:
When you place a bet, you get a ticket which states your exact expected winnings, and your exact odds of winnings.

You do not do the same in a church. I understand what you mean in practice, but really, offering is a voluntary donation not a payment for goods and services, and you can go to church and pray to God without paying a dime.

You dont know Oyedepo . Scared for what exactly? This man's first church was established in Kaduna and he has had several run-ins with muslims looking to burn his church etc. He's a converted muslim himself, and he has been an outspoken critic of the Buhari government since before the man came to power. This guy is battle tested.

He also does not rely on political patronage for anything. He doesn't need funds from anybody. His following is so avid that he's selling out a 50k auditorium 4 times every sunday. The man has like 7 private jets. This is a video of the church property....in Texas. He has several all over the world, including at least 14 here in the UK that they own not rent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpkxLXgYwk

When his first daughter got married, she received over150 brand new cars as gifts. Like bruh, asslick? asslick for what? what's the motive?

This guy actually said Jack Ma, like Nigerian Government is the same as China

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I am a Christian, but churches in Nigeria are profit business ventures and firms

Donstan18, stay one place abeg. You dey confuse us

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Taguchi:
ofcourse na business, what else should it be?

nihilistjnr:
Oyedepo doesn't need to asslick anybody. The guy has built entire cities in Ota and Omu-aran, which are self-sufficient in every sense of the word - I'm talking electricity, water, healthcare, agriculture, security etc.

I dont think you know who that don is.

Regarding your question, it's because a church doesn't sell anything. Of course it operates like a business, and the most sucessful ones are designed to be extremely profitable, but what do members of the congregation buy? What do they receive in return? Where is their receipt? What is the return policy? People who willfully donate offerings too the church do not expect goods or services from the church in return, and so for them Church is not a business.