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Havertz10:
pep changed his tactics at Bayern, still does the usuals but it's more direct now, iniesta and xavi were special players

That Barca team was the best team the world has ever seen in my opinion, pep had to admit so you are wrong, he doesn't play with that system anymore, it's a hybrid kind he uses now

Kilishihunter:
Maybe. Well they messed up in the national team after years together so that should give you a clue, No matter how great players are, if they don't compliment each other they would fail, I don't need to tell you the midfield is the heart beat of the team
Grazie

bisqit:
Who agrees

Greatihex:
I didn't watch zidane play, so I don't have anything to say about his playing days. But it will wonderful to learn that he was a fraud as a player and also being a fraud as a manager yet with many trophies. This man must be the luckiest man on earth.

Kilishihunter:
Oga I can give you a list of other successful midfields who succeeded without their players playing in the same club side, so that's not an excuse (except for maybe the coach) If you told me Gerrard and scholes or lampard and scholes would have as much impact as xavi and iniesta then I might agree with you, because as much as both lampard and Gerrard were world class box to box midfielders and massive threats especially while going forward no one of them could set the tempo of the game, dictate play like Paul scholes in the center of the park, a controller

Kilishihunter:
They must have played for different countries then

Trevor012:
Was Fernadinho not Pep Dm In his first season at city when he flopped according to you? How many champions league titles has Fernadinho being Pep Dm brought to City . AgberoFc has started

Havertz10:
system matters, nobody is denying that

But which system excels? Barca have shown the world that positional awareness will always dominate brute force, players that play better in the superior system are better

That's how we should look at it

Havertz10:
how Chelsea fans can value kante that has little technical ability over players with considerably more technical ability is shocking

Football no be by using force, watch de jong defending, he uses positional awareness to mark but Chelsea fan like people with power

Kovacic didn't live up to the expectations that people had, jorginho is slightly better but he doesn't have positional awareness to cover for his lack of strength like most top players

Era of playing hard man football done pass, messi 50% and Ronaldo 20% have launched a new era of tactical astuteness over brute force

Ibime:
Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.

Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.

swiz123:
You nearly made him a Mushin talent by comparing him to a CM. Not that I think otherwise though

Havertz10:
when Fabregas was asked to pick one between xavi and iniesta, he described the choice as being similar to picking one between his mum or dad

They both needed each other to excel, they made barca great, messi gets all the praise but his supply chain came from their factory

NinjaMetahuman:
Ozil is underrated sha.


Those are big consecutive numbers.

swiz123:
Chai!! ... I know you still think Mount is playing mildfield since TT. Let's compare him to Ney who he plays the same position with. Shall we?

Trevor012:
But you a Big fool o . Comparing a centre midfielder Iniesta to an attacking midfielder ozil. AgberoFc o

Ebukacute:
35 goals in 16 years?
Spanish iwobi

Godx:
List them out then

Ibime:
I always wonder how Ozil will feed Ronaldos appetite yet Messi was scoring 90 goals in a calendar year and Iniesta could not feed his appetite.

Havertz10:
iniesta and xavi fed of eachother, busquet excelled being the link for their movements but he wasn't a strong defensive midfielder, his job was to recycle possession

Individually iniesta and xavi were good, ozil had his moments and enjoyed feeding the appetite of ronaldo, he was a good player but one on one iniesta was better

Pele was good but he will never be called a maestro like johan cruyff

Godx:
All round what? What is all round

swiz123:
I am sorry; my memory is a little foggy. Was it in the same 2015 that Iniesta dribbled the whole PSG team to lay a delicious through ball for Ney?

For some whose Idol is hustler Mount, you should stay off this argument

Godx:
In what way is Zidane above his level? Bring those points out let me break them.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Why not send a mail to Bleacherreport and do a quick $100?

From March 2014 to March 2015, no goal no assist.

But I forgot to add ..There was so much creativity. [/color]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2403305-why-have-the-goals-and-assists-dried-up-for-barcelonas-andres-iniesta.amp.html

Havertz10:
iniesta is better

Debroslink:
Iniesta still won La liga after Xavi left. Iniesta won UCL without Xavi beside him.

Someone should tell us the UCL Xavi won without Iniesta

Ibime:
Zidane can't be dragged by central midfielders of his era when it comes to productivity. Zidane played in 4-4-2 era and his stats stand up against all his peers in the same position in the same era.

Even from a different era where midfielders were not goalscorers, Zidane has 95 league goals while Iniesta has 35. That's nearly 3 to 1.

How can someone come from a different era where the expectations are different and flog you 3 to 1

izzou:
[color=royalblue]As much as I agree with you, the same standards used to drag others should be applied to Mazi Fraudniesta Iniesta.

Giroud played the World cup with no goal, and we never rest till today. Be reminded that the WC tournament has less games than the league

Iniesta went through a year without a goal or assist, but we should talk about Creativity, influence and class.

Nna, don't make a case for Iniesta abeg. Let him be dragged accordingly. [/color]

Ibime:
It does not matter. What matters is what you do when you get there.

How long did it take Drogba and Kante to break into elite football?

Iniesta is not the one that helped Xavi break into first team. By the way it's not like Xavi has not been a useful first team player before then, just know he was competing against Deco for the same position who was also a don himself.

Ibime:
Xavi was never useless without Iniesta

Iniesta player left wing for Spain and Xavi ran that midfield with other men from Marcos Senna to Busquets to Alonso to Fabregas, Xavi never failed to run midfield for Spain. Iniesta was never part of the Spanish central midfield, he was a left winger for Spain.

But as you rightly observed, Iniesta was useless without Xavi after Xavi left the scene.