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Therealadonye is worthy of mention too. He provided some aptitude test questions which helped me. I can never forget him for that.

Good thread.

I have noticed a lot of bitterness, bad blood, envy and insults in this thread. Instead of countering the fact stated here, aggrieved persons have resorted into hurling insults and tantrums at the OP (yours truly).

I expected some intellectual debate or counter argument, but instead I see comments like:

'OP, you must be out of your mind'
'OP, this is crap'
'OP, I teach and nurture many so-called BSc grads'
'The most important thing is making money and self-development'
etc

Nobody has been able to effectively counter the stated points. Thus I can conclude that both BSc and HND holders agree that with the reasons as stated.

tosyne2much:
You are discriminatory in nature.. I've got no time for all these cos I know you would resort to cause e-fight

Live your life the way it suits you Mr Bsc holder

That term is discriminatory.

Adaobi12:
. my dear the no 2 reason is false. Am yet to see a polytechnic that accepts minimum of 4 credits
op , sorry to say you are a damn hypocrite. you said you are against the discrimination between HND and Bsc, why create such a discriminating thread.

Anyway, its nothing new.
Nigeria and hypocrisy since 1914.

Sister, I'm not a hypocrite. I actually wish both HND and BSc holders well. I have siblings that are HND holders too. I just needed to state the very obvious fact cos there is no need for comparison.
Many polytechnics accept 4 credits. I can mention at least 3 as I write.

Deapexboy:
chai i feel ur pains!!

Poly students should protest

Bros, you are wicked

PStacks:
Forgive me anyway..

I'm a university product tho! But not withstanding, I think HND is more of Practical and Hands-on while BSc is just mere theory.

If u ask me. I prefer a practical student to a theoretical student.


How can u explain a Graduate Mechanical Engineer from a university not being able to open his car bonnet to atleast take a look at what went wrong with his car stoping in the middle of the road, instead he chose to look for a nearby roadside mechanic to fix mere alternator that happened not to be charging his car battery, boasting to the mere mechanic how he studied mechanical engineering from Unilag..

If u ask me, who is more of a mech engineer? Its the road side mechanic ooo rather than the B.Eng graduate who knows nothing practical about how a simple internal combustion engine operates..

HND is more practical work and BSc is just theory and story.

Its so unfortunate that things that makes waves abroad are things we take for granted in nigeria..

In london, Barbers make hell of money, taxi drivers make hell of money, Baby-sitters make hell of money

But in nigeria, if u are a barber, u are on ur own, if u drive a taxi, u are finished, if u wash plates in a restaurant u are finished in naija,

But u have people leave naija and go abroad to do all this manial jobs and come back with plenty money and form boss here.

That tells us of mis-placed piorities in the system.

Until HND is promoted over BSc, until god given skills and talents are appreciated in naija then our society would be in reverse mode.

This is not true.
With the level of decadence in the educational system, polytechnic students hardly do quality practical work due to the state of the lab facilities and equipment. At the end of the day, most poly students still end up doing more theory than practical. The only difference is that uni grads do more theory than they do.
Besides, what differentiates a manager of a bank and an artisan on the street? Their ability to use their brains, not their muscles! Why do you think that the companies pay employees who sit in offices big salaries wile paying peanuts to the staffs actually doing the strenuous work? Cos, brains and intellects cost more than muscle work!

greatestman:
Please don't render abuse, this is my opinion if you have different opinion you can said it out. Thank you

Sorry, I feel polytechnic is better than COE.

greatestman:
College of Education is by far better than Polytechnic.

Nonsense

abanicool:
Nonsenses thread..........dis op get tym to write dis thrash...........OP.....i can say dat u got it all wrong frm ur No 1 to 8.....poly students re more smart dan university students...........

They are 'more smart' indeed

tosyne2much:
Another thread that will trigger violence

OP, why not try making efforts on how to influence neighbour, friends, families & the less privilege ones with your Bsc rather than making other ppl feel less of themselves ?. Some people are seated at their offices working tiredlessly and making cool cash, you dey give urself unnecessary worry for here

You get time oooo

You got it all wrong. I didn't put this up to trigger argument. I just wanted to state some obvious hard truth. I wish both BSc and HND holders the best of 2015.

Modified: 1 forgot to add this point:

9 Worth of certificate - the BSc certificate is more valuable than the HND certificate. An HND holder requires a PGD to further his Postgraduate studies even if the holder has a distinction. On the other hand, a BSc holder can directly enrol for MSc or PhD without any hurdle. HND is equivalent to an associate degree in the USA and will require additional courses to be accepted in foreign institution. A BSc holder in Nigeria faces no such barrier.

Success in life should not be determined by our alma mater. I believe that everybody has a chance to be successful whether they went to a university or polytechnic. Our success is in our hands. This write-up is not meant to degrade HND holders. I am one of those that are strongly against the discrimination against HND holders. However, the reality on ground (due to the discrimination) is that BSc is still more superior to HND and I have given reasons below to state the obvious but bitter truth.

1 Entrance Qualification - The entrance qualification to the university is more stringent than that to the polytechnic. The UTME cut off for universities is higher than that of polytechnics. All universities require a minimum of 5 credits in WASSCE/NECO while most polytechnics accept 4 credits as minimum requirement. It is well accepted that the entrance qualification to any institution says a lot about the prestige attached to such institution.

2 Quality of Lecturers- You cannot compare the quality of lecturers in the university to that of the polytechnic. Most university lecturers are professors and PhD holders with decades of teaching and research experience to show for it. Some of them are universally renowned professors. The head of universities are always renowned and experienced academic professors. Most Master degree holders in universities are mere assistant lecturers. The same cannot be said of polytechnics where most of their 'experienced' lecturers are mere BSc holders. Most rectors of polytechnics are Msc holders, only a few have PhD. Even corps members lecture polytechnic students. Has it ever occurred to you why polytechnics find it hard to employ even their own products (HND holders) to lecture? Instead, they employ mostly university grads to teach.

3 Research Work- University is the bedrock of research work. Research work lays the foundation of advancement and any sane society will rate any higher institution by the quality of their research. Unfortunately, the quality of research work in Nigerian universities is poor but this is still far better than that of polytechnics that do absolutely nothing (or very negligible research work).

4 Funding- Universities are much more funded than polytechnics. One of the metrics for determining the quality of an institution is the level of funding. No wonder, the government and the media pay more attention to the demand of ASUU over ASUP. Thus, you will expect a product of a university to be better trained than that of a polytechnic.

5 Quality of students - The brightest, youngest and most motivated students go to the universities. Go to a polytechnic and what you will see a lot of dejected, not-so-young students who have written UTME many times but have not succeeded. A few in the polytechnics are young and bright, but they are few and far between. The majority of young and bright students, just fresh from secondary school are found within the 4 walls of the university. Thus, most university grads are of higher intellectual quality than their poly counterparts.

6 Size and Beauty of Campus - A lot can be said about the quality of an institution by the architectural structures of the institutions. Let's take the elite universities and polytechnics in Nigeria for instance. One cannot compare the architectural edifices in the prestigious OAU, UI, ABU, UNN, UNILAG, UNIBEN to that of Yabatech, Kadpoly, Auchi, Bida Poly or any polytechnic in Nigeria. No polytechnic in Nigeria can even compete with some 2nd and 3rd generation universities like FUT Minna, UniJos, FUTA, etc in terms of structures.

7 Preference / Demand - The preference for BSc is higher than for OND/HND. All or almost all aspiring students wish to go to the university. Employers generally prefer BSc holders over HND holders. HND holders are seen as middle level manpower (That was the intent when polytechnics were initially created). There are more opportunities for BSc holders not just within the country but outside Nigeria. Jobs and scholarship opportunities abound for BSc holders and undergraduates while it is almost non-existent for HND holders.

8 Self Esteem - Last but not the least, an average BSc holder is more confident than an average HND holder. This is however not the fault of HND holders who unfortunately have to face stiff discrimination in the labour market, thus negatively impacting on their self esteem.

I vote nabsprada

Great pics. But who cares

shakol91:
@ xfire, please is there any hope for someone that studied Accounting Education with cgpa of 3.26. I don't just understand maybe applying for any relevant certificate course will be the best option now because with that cgp I know is only God that can help in labour market or what do you think is the best option. Presently no longer interested in the course and wished to change to something else due to poor accounting knowledge or do you think something can be done concerning that. Both Accounting and non-accounting gurus in the house can also help.

But yours is Accounting Education na. You can still go into education even with a 2.2. It will only limit you if you want to gain real work experience from big firms.
Only you know your capability. If you think you can compete with others in the accounting discipline, then switch to something else you can handle. Otherwise, consider going for ICAN/ACCA or even masters.
Remember that you can have a masters in another discipline in education if you can't cope with accounting.

Billionaire Dangote wil bail his broda out soon..

@xfire, pls I sent u a pm. kindly reply

Nice. Thanks for the enlightenment

xfire: Well...This is definitely not a list of all the career fields in the oil and gas industry. This is just a list of the most demanded ones. Oil companies employ occupational / industrial health workers. But would I say that they are in high demand in the oil industry? No, I wouldn't put them as one of the most demanded fields in the industry.
That option is cool. There are a good number of opportunities for industrial health workers, even outside the oil industry.

Thanks . I would go for it

@OP
Tanks 4 highlighting some of top courses in the oil industry, though u left out occupational health as HSE is very essential 2 oil companies. I believe dat there is a demand for occupational health /industrial health workers in d industry, especially offshore health workers. Am currently considering dat option since I am in d medical line. Wat do u tink?

Nice.....

Quite expensive.

Well, it doesny matter. What matters most is self development. I have friends who went to Kulikuli Grammar school and still emerged tops in their universities.

Where in Europe and how can I easily obtain free postgraduate studies (scholarship) for occupational health or medicine? I am currently a medical student in Nigeria

davidif: SEUN,

You honestly need to start banning cynics and millitant atheists from nairaland. I know you feel that this is a public forum and that everyone should be allowed to express there views but the presence of this guys who come here to attack anything about God is becoming prevalent.

They post to instigate and provoke people which is against the rules of this website.

Anything God related on this site, they just swarm the posts with there anti-God rhetoric. This is not only blasphemy but abuse and bigotry which happens to violate the terms and conditions of posting on nairaland. Please do something about it.

Leave them. The have the right to their opinion.
Just pray that they may be saved

God can answer prayers through doctors.
God created all the herbs and materials used for healing sick people