dr stone:

Not surprised at comments like these. Same thing was used when LAMIDO SANUSI was being defended [/b]by some over his actions in the Banking sector. A prominent northern spokesman say that their grouse was that southerners and especially "Christians" dominated the ownership of Banks, and that they were out to reverse the trend. they further went head that, the best they way should do is to Nationalize these Private Banks, built by individual sweat and put in their stooges to Head and buy up this investments. Others added that a Bank that can further Islamic interests is the answer. So they tried to introduce [b]SHARIA COMPLIANT BANKs with government money. this type of sentiments was what necessitated the take over of Schools built by the sweat, blood and labour Missionaries years back. The Result, a steady decline in the quality of Education.

But using your own arguments and grouse against these Establishments as being set up to further christian views. This is the very reason BOKO Haramites are slicing the throats of "christian infidels" in the North. same reason why Northeners are apprehensive of western Education. Its root are actually Christian in Nature. Most of the Schools in Nigeria's Pre independence history were actually missionary built. However the missionaries did not close their doors to those willing to have an education in their domains.
Try and do a search, the first 150 Universities in the Western world were actually Christian theological institutions.. that includes the likes of Harvard, oxford etc. And i can confirm to you that any muslim Man of notable Ranking in this country has had missionaries contribute to their Enlightenement one way or another.

In the Far Northern Part of the Country where i grew up, Islamic religious Knowledge was forced on us when i was in primary school. And by Schools I mean Govt owned Schools. If it happens to be a Sharia compliant school, it is not even a question. You saw it before you opted for it.
Thoughts like yours is what stifles the spirit of free enterprise and liberty. Some of the Best intitutions of these country are owned by the Catholics. And when they do these things they give it all it takes, and that includes their vows,sacrifice, discipline, heart and sometimes their entire lifetime/Life. The Government owned institution are there who do not demand such discipline and sacrifice, why dont you focus your attention there or else get something of your taste that can be as good or better. To build Great institutions is not by empty talk, (Ask most Governments why they are not able to do things right). Instead of lets PULL THEM(ChristianINFIDEL CONMEN) DOWN down Bad-belle syndrome.. without any better alternative of your own to show on Ground, Give Kudos to individuals who are able to lift up he Quality of life of their own constituency and hope to emulate them for your constituency as well!!!! Thats how things get better done!!

Pls tell him, y does your convocation gown look like what priests wear
Av been everywhere skoold in LASU UNILAG now RUN so I tell u private skuz are worth it also look abroad presently church owned skools in d states ar more expensive than ours we want d same knowledge we learn d same theories read s same books and want to operate in d same global economy but we don't want to pay what dey payed to have it. Even Ghana over there is more xpensive even tho dey don't use generators 24hrz

rhymz: hahahaha. . At times I find it hard to believe that these people actually are humans with functining brains in their head. The management of these private Universities are more interested in making profit and increasing public patronage. From Madonna to Convenant to Lead City, they are all thesame thing. The only difference is the level of infrastructure they have but their management style is thesame, their philosophies are tied to one thing-maximizing profits. Before now, the Law department in Leed City was scrapped and the school took the matter to court. My friend there told me that the school fees increase was done in every session, she told me how some people had to drop along the way when it became obvious they could not continue to foot the bills.
In convenant, there have been reports of how Oyedepo and his gang arbitrarily rusticated almost a hundred students some in their final year, all because they did not come to the "assembly hall" or whatever they call their gathering with bibles. Imagine!!! We have heard of stories how the handlers in this school threaten and attack the psychy of students by using statements like, "your opinions do not matter", "you chose us, we did not choose you", all in a bid to pass the message that there is no freedom of expression of thoughts here. A Muslim student has been denied admission in convenant before on the basis of his religion, yet these rascals stand on the pulpit and preach about love and tolerance. Go to their website, there is no such thing as bursery or scholarship scheme, everyone pays for their education. The system inside the school is an autocratic one, you are not allowed to do anything until "Papa Go" says you can, you can't even think independly without the intimidating presence of Oyedepo sprawling all over your thoughts.
Na this kind schools na im person wan carry go outside naija and expect their certificates to be taken seriously. What qualification does Oyedepo hold to be the VC of a school? How many Professors, associate profs, visiting profs, exchange program and co do the students and staff engage in. . How many of their lecturers go on sabbatical anyway. With all the money they collect, why we never here of the 21 century state of the art engineering facilities in their schools, am curious to see their labs and machines. . All we see are just buildings occupying space. . .private University indeed

My people perish for lack of knowledge am HOD in my private sku use to b dean of social science in unilag our dean of arts is a former ambassador, i knw former HODs from unilag hu are jus parttime lecturers in my school. Talk abt find like IT, if u connect from my school wifi u av access to websites u ordinarily have to pay to register to see d publications in em am talking abt sites belonging to skools like Harvard

dr stone:

Seems to me you are dont know how to go about making research. Let me Get you started, you go and do the rest, instead of being petty and abusive, because what you seriously feel emotional about is being subjected to questioning. I have to be very laconic because of the brevity of space.
A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harvard_University
With some 17,000 Puritans migrating to New England by 1620, Harvard was founded by ministers who realized the need for training clergy for the new commonwealth, a "church in the wilderness." It was named for John Harvard, its first benefactor. It received its corporate charter in 1650 and became a university in 1780.An early, anonymous description of the college, New England's First Fruits (1643) recalled:

"After God had carried us safe to New England, and we ... rear'd convenient places for God's worship ... dreading to leave an illiterate Ministry to the Churches, when our present Ministers shall lie in the Dust ... it pleased God to stir up the heart of one Mr. Harvard, a godly gentleman and a lover of learning ... to give the one half of his estate ... towards the erecting of a college and all his Library."
B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford
From its early days, Oxford was a centre for lively controversy, with scholars involved in religious and political disputes. John Wyclif, a 14th-century Master of Balliol, campaigned for a bible in the vernacular, against the wishes of the papacy. In 1530, Henry VIII forced the University to accept his divorce from Catherine of Aragon, and during the Reformation in the 16th century, the Anglican churchmen Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley were tried for heresy and burnt at the stake in Oxford.
C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_University
Boston University (often initialized as BU) is a private research university located in Boston, Massachusetts. With more than 4,000 faculty members and more than 31,000 students, Boston University is one of the largest private universities in the United States[6] and one of Boston's largest employers.[7] The university is nonsectarian,[8] but is historically affiliated with the United Methodist Church.[9][10]
D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago
The University of Chicago was created and incorporated as a coeducational,[16] secular institution in 1890 by the American Baptist Education Society and a donation from oil magnate and philanthropist John D. Rockefeller on land donated by Marshall Field.[17] It emerged from a Baptist university of the same name that had closed in 1886 due to financial difficulties. William Rainey Harper became the modern University's first president on July 1, 1891,

Harper, a young Biblical scholar from Yale, incorporated into Chicago’s early charter a commitment to gender equality in both undergraduate and graduate education and, remarkably, considering the initial intention to found a Baptist institution, to an atmosphere of nonsectarianism. This commitment to an accepting environment and equal opportunity distinguished the university in its early years and holds firm today

Like is said You do the rest...
But note that Oxford was formed when English Students were denied from the University of Paris. The English did not sit down and cry wolf....They did something of their own. You do something.. better than criticizing other peoples efforts. Note, these are private Institutions and they have aims and purpose of establishing the University, so when you are there abide by there rules.
On the Second bolded in ur remark.
While it is intended to get a "universal education", what that means is subject to individual speculation and i dont think you cant get that i the private schools either. But if you mean to say they dont allow social activities as you think fit or give you atheistic philosophy and oultook and the encourage liberal views not in consonant with their aims, maybe you are right there. Not every type of Education is good for the purpose of developing human minds and building great soceities. The worst thing in Education is to train up a devious person without moral and Godly Values, it Produces Clever Devils. And in turn makes society the worse for it! Thats when we begin to churn out Learned cheats, intellectual cultists, funny revolutionaries and Well learned devious politicians, who breed chaos and anarchy. The Sponsors of Boko Haram fit into this number. In normal federal Universities you now spend 5-6yrs for a course of 4years etc.

Jus so u knw d clever devils u mentioned is exactly won christen skools produce many ar on drugs because it doesn't smell like alcohol and smoking, some eat weed instead of smoking so as not to get caught we've learnt to beat d system, many have resorted to stealing to sustain habits, girls hu wud do wot Eva it takes to go out of d prison for weekends and not get caught. We've learnt to b shady good outside all dressed up looking corporate in ties and suit, there's a joke we crack dat d best way to dub in an exam is to dress very well goin to extra lengths wearing waist coat and all so as to appear responsible dey won't fink of u dubbing, usually it's even d wayward students hu know how to dress, we pull it every where we have trouble dress very well bring out ur ID card and spk good English and u wud get free sometimes dey wud believe ur false statement ova odaz because ur lookin clean. Now see us afta we grad u will run for cover idle rich kids hu got spoilt by mistake. I knw people hu picked up smoking & drinking wen dey had extra yr d stress was much, and it's all abt d fees we behave because d fees are high and u literarily can't afford to be expelled dats our religion, MONEY I even know of students hu av gone on to become drug dealers and alsomthosenhu have had to go to rehabs and physch wards

rhymz: Hahahaha. . . Is it not obvious that you seriously have comprehension problems and confusing things?
Where in the link was it mentioned that any of these schools were founded by religious bodies. .LMAO and you query why I dey yab you?
HAVARD UNIVERSITY: Harvard University is an American private Ivy League research university located in Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States, established in 1636 by the Massachusetts legislature. Harvard is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States
Harvard was founded in 1636 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, making it the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States. Initially called "New College" or "the college at New Towne", the institution was renamed Harvard College on March 13, 1639. It was named after John Harvard, a young English clergyman from Southwark, London, an alumnus of the University of Cambridge (after which Cambridge, Massachusetts is named), who bequeathed the College his library of four hundred books and £779 pounds sterling, which was half of his estate.[20] The charter creating the corporation of Harvard College came in 1650. In the early years, the College trained many Puritan ministers.[21] The college offered a classic academic course based on the English university model—many leaders in the colony had attended the University of Cambridge—but one consistent with the prevailing Puritan philosophy. The college was never affiliated with any particular denomination, but many of its earliest graduates went on to become clergymen in Congregational and Unitarian churches throughout New England
UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD: As the oldest university in the English- speaking world, Oxford is a unique and historic institution. There is no clear date of foundation, but teaching existed at Oxford in some form in 1096 and developed rapidly from 1167, when Henry II banned English students from attending the University of Paris.
Cambridge University: The university grew out of an association of Cambridge scholars that was formed in 1209, early records suggest, by scholars leaving Oxford after a dispute with townsfolk.
The official founding of Cambridge University is traced to the enhancement, by a charter in 1231 from King Henry III of England, which awarded the ius non trahi extra (a right to discipline its own members) plus some exemption from taxes, and a bull in 1233 from Pope Gregory IX that gave graduates from Cambridge the right to teach everywhere in Christendom.
It is Obvious you are confusing the fact that besides the King of Englands Monarchy, the Popacy was a type of absolute Monarchy that was even stronger than the english Monarchy of the time. His edict or recognition of a Charter to an already existing higher school of learning does not trascend to the church founding this institutions.
Even John Havard was not the founder of the school. That he was th biggest benefactor of the school did not make him the founder.
Nigga stop confusing yourself jare.
And what are you on about Godly values and all that religious balderdash about clever devils. Who are you to tell somebody with differeny views about morals and God that they are right or wrong. Who made you an arbiter of right and wrong? This is exactly the arbitrariness that I am talking about. People forcing their own set of morals, justice, and sense of decency on others without respecting theirs. You need to stop this nonsense and realize you are not the only one with your own set of rules.

Sorry to point out d obvious but do u know what a catholic gown is? It's dat thing u wear at graduation and matric which shud tell u it's origin. Also it said dat d first university wuz established by Aristotle hu wuz a student Plato hu himself wuz tutored by Socrates, Aristotle wus also d tutor of Alexander d great. The origin of d university system wus to teach people how to be better people in society as well as rulers. Not how to balance account and such. Now look at d classical economists and co dey were church fathers,people like Adam Smith. The bible was responsible for interpretation and evolution of many languages to enable d gospel b preached as well as it wuz felt dat people were heathen because dey were illiterate and stupid so dey had to be educated so education went hand in hand with trying to make us better people and hence religion which also wanted us to b better.
But am still in support of u tho ur goin extreme, the schools are not facing reality of whats happening cosndey shud know it's not working buh really for many of dem it's jus a job so dey jus have to do it and enforce stupid rules which dey don't believe, also it is expected dat maturity shud allow u jus behave d way dey want and finish then go on with ur life because really drinking partying smoking fucking and all are jus trivial compared to what's at stake it's lyk goin abroad dey have laws which we consider stupid in 9ja buh u av to abide by it cos of Wotan at stake, dats part of what makes u a graduate it shows you have what it takes to do what ur job entails and get results
Look at it dis way even government skuz av stupid rules like where boys cant enga girls hostel, alsomd stupid curriculum and sadistic lecturers who force u to cram rubbish and do rubbish buh we know at d end not much wuz really learnt d employer knows dis buh still employs because uv shown u can do d job by graduating or why do u fink in many cases brilliant students still fail and have extra yr while lesser peps grad. Apply d logic to d church skuz and unwud see dat d rules are jus trivial and it's only kids dat wud complain abt such d way kids cry wen dey can't get what dey want from mummy

rhymz: hahahahah. . I bet his parents were one of those that was hoodwinked into dashing money for the development of Church University only to be schemed out with high fees their entire savings can't foot. As im dey now, na to dey wish and feel among even when it is obvious he is not one. .lol.
So how can he show the inside of the school he has never been to? This one na blind follower na . . . The types that argue on "my pastor says", "papa said" blabla. . .who cares about him anyway. Papa is rich and he is still a rif-raf, yet im no go use im head.

Dude I went to private Skool too yh, wuz in unilag for 4yrz did diploma twice had a car stayed in BQ and all buh av seen both sides so talk lyk u went to sku and not lyk an ignorant Bleep throwing stereotypes around abt private sku peps, look outside we run dis town and look at ma oda post if u can, I don't disagree abt d skuz bein high handed and such buh now insulting peps hu went there, if you skooled in 9ja am sure u wud travelled out to sku if u cud meaning u couldn't so u stayed hence u probably didn't go to private sku too cos u cudn't don't tell us u didn't cos it wuz bleeped because govt skuz ar more fuckd so it's d fees sinc skuz like igbins are secular at d same time private sku people, babes especially, are d largest party people

@CY09 i guess ur not in a private sku, some people got expelled for supposedly stealing 100 six card which she jus borrowed for nut call, someone else was expelled because his answer script was missing at d end of d day dey found it and called him bak afta a yr at home now d dude has dropped out cos he's lost hope, someone wud spelled because he didn't pay his fees within 3weeks, people got expelled for submitting course form late, annoda person wore handband and got xpelled even tho redeem sells convention hand bands and won't xpel u if u wear it buh u can't wear plain ones from outside, some hu collected someoneelse's phone and couldn't return it cos he ended up in d clinic on admission wuz xpelled cos dey tot he had gone to sell it. People lives av been ruined expelling people afta graduating some wuz because dey drank outside sku during holz, someone even committed suicide, givin people xtra yr for missing one class or jus one carry over, with d high sku fees. Students hu met a staff at a bar were xpelled afta he anonymously reported dem because dey were not nice to him. Getting xpelled for stealing sim card which u only borrowed for nyt call. Getting xpelled because of u had an xposed pix urself on ur fone. Many life's wasted many ar now on drugs cos d sku is stressful wit no source of relief or release. God help us, God forgives buh church Skool don't many 100l students got expelled within a month of resumption d joke is those in oda levels do worse and can't b caught its d novice dat gets expelled d real bad guys can't b caught dey av become hardened worse than people in govt skuz even

For your infoz ma uncle came to work in d country he being paid abt $10,000 a month in d one time oceanic bank

The problem is always the experience clause which I don't think should b dat relevant or at most jus relatively so bcause we all know IT training is hands on training in programming you deal with source codes we see a lot of codes we type a lot compile, test run, all this while training and its not counted as experienc. Finding entry level employument wich wud b recognised on ur CV is quite difficult so what do we do
I for one went to NIIT mastermind series software engineering for one year, choosing java pltform ova dot net worked on our isas project developing client server applications, applets servlets midlets using various packages from the java lib, as well as database design and administration using microsoft server 2000, web content development html dhtml xhtml and some scripting lanaguages like javascript and some php, using xml with the SQl database over the web. Knowledge of Networking concepts. As well as (red hat)linux syatem administration inmplementing security and firewalls over the network as well as kernel optimisatio to name a few. But I have no real life programming experience so how do I get a job the system is messed up 4real