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gatiano


I think you are all over the place; although I think I am getting a little of what you are saying. Irregardless the string is about Esu...

The colors attributed to Esu have a reason behind them...Esu is also your perception or how you "choose" to view reality. Omo dudu or oyingbo makes no difference, they are all human beings. Whether one believes the Original man birth the oyingbo or oyingbo landed from mars and dropped in caves...the universe is simply NOT arbitrary. The Human being has a story and this story is NOT outside of human nature, the question is how do we come to understand human nature...through Nature of course. The Ifa corpus tells us parts of this story...as seen through the lens of the Yoruba people...

funny...yet again we are back to square one because our how we choose to see it is still in the domain of Esu...

gatiano
All colours comes out of Black, There was never a time when a non-black became black depending on weather conditions or geographical location, there will never be a time that such would happen. Except if a white or a non-black intermarries with a Black person. Eledumare can make the sun come out of the west, can do all things except one thing, no colour will ever produce Black. Black will always and forever till eternity produce other hues and colours. Even light can never beat darkness, Never! Light can be switched on and off, Darkness/Blackness will remain permanent forever...

If I may...there is no such thing as Black in terms of using it to identify the human spectrum, this is simply an adjective for description granted it has caused some of the most serious horrors in human history...
The human has a story and in this physical realm the story starts in what we now call Africa...biological these group of people have the most diverse genotype of any particular group of ppl walking the earth. It is not a "superior" trait...but an adaptable one based on other factors.

gatiano
Esu was grafted out of the non-blacks, They do not have the Esu Orisa, That was why they had to call Him/Her(Esu) devil or satan. They do not have Obatala too, If one does not have These two Orisas, that person can never see God/Eledumare; Thus, they do not have Eledumare. To have Eledumare, The Body of the person must have that Throne where Eledumare can sit as The Originator that He and/or She is. This throne is the source of melanin which is responsible for our Blackness
Esu is not a trickster, which was the excuse they laid their claims upon that Esu is satan. Esu in every Black person is extremely intelligent, and clever. Very observant and nothing get past Him/Her. He/She is not concern with good or evil, His/Her duty is to ensure that we have what we need and ofcourse if we pay attention to Esu....

I don't think you understand Esu at all...Esu has an evolution...as many other orisa do. There is a reason Gods like Ogun can be the God of war, then iron and that of technological advancement...these things happened through the thousands of yrs of refinement to see part of the product we have. Ifa is also a corpus...
Esu is also a trickster amongst many other attributes. Nature exist outside the bounds of human intellect...however we are in nature and therefore create G(g)ods out of this nature...the Yorubas, like many other indigenous Africans however did not create an absolute dichotomy, like those exhibited by the modern world...

gatiano
Esu has only two masters.
1) Eledumare: This is Esu main master, Esu takes all orders from Eledumare.
2) You The Black person: The order Esu takes from you depend on that which He/She(Esu) receives from Eledumare. If what you want align with what Eledumare wants, then things would be smooth, if not, then a lil bit rocky. Esu may also take orders from you.

Non-Black people definitely have a kind of Esu they use, but the Esu belongs to their Makers, The Elohim (60,000 of them, Male/Female and all Black
people)....

You are creating a dichotomy...traditionally in Yoruba cosmology when light (expansion) came to this reality...Esu was already in existence; this is potential...also the cosmology does not have a strict hierarchy
Eledumare is out of "you" or "I" idea of God...it simply is beyond our intellect and unfathomable. Irregardless Esu does not necessarily take "orders"...it simply must be appeased one way or the other...and even so, it can still go one way or the other. Control is big part of the human narrative; modernity has humans believing in the notion they can control nature...as opposed to traditionally when we worked with nature or nature thru us...in any event, Esu also humbles this idea of control.