Djicemob:
I was even shocked by the guy resilience to defend the masquerade gaffe.Is masquerade now like a celebrity that gets endorsements from corperate bodies?

What this walker isn't aware of is there are various spiritual and traditional values attached to most of these masquerades.

You dey mind the guy? Him just dey find wetin him go talk

OP its not like the video is a propaganda is it? The truth is in circulation and you calling the dss to stop it, typical

KAG:


I had no idea where you're going with any of this. I still don't. In any case, that's not quite right. I'm trying to make sense of what you're trying to ask. See below.



I really don't know what you're trying to ask.

I'm almost certain you haven't understood shared ERVs and how they apply to evolution. I'll give a brief summary. Animals - including humans - often get viral attacks (nice graphic illustration: https://askabiologist.asu.edu/viral-attack-page-2). In many instances, after the virus has inserted itself in the cell, for varying reasons, the infection fails. Due to the failed viral insertion, the attacked cell retains the viral information. If, and only if, said cell is a germline cell, then that cell possibly gets passed on to an offspring, etc. Bear in mind that the odds of two species just randomly sharing just one ERV in the same location is pretty slim (not impossible, because of hotspots).

The same principle applies to old (retro) virus inserrtions and the ancestors of humans and modern apes. Further, shared retroviruses show that the incidence of the locations of the various shared endogenous retroviruses in the different hominid species complement the model had before the genetic evidence was available. So, all hominidea species have some shared ERVs in the same locations. Then, the species in homininae have shared ERVs that ponginae don't, and so on...

Hope that helps.

P.S. Real life may mean I won't be able to respond as soon as I want to do. So, you know...

Its a fair question. Anyway my point is you are missing the bigger picture which is that "the ERV is an evidence of evolution"
Because .e are talking about proof of common ancestry with the ERVs, if you expand the chart to accommodate the Hominidae parent and grand parent the test is gonna fail.

For the ERVs to truly be an evidence of evolution it should be valid when you expand the chart, it should not be true for only a part of the whole.

I hope you get it now, though I'm certain you are going to maintain that I still don't understand how it works

OP do you even know the spiritual implication of this masquerade thing or you think you can just come out and type nonsense. Or you think you can just enter any area with your own masquerade is this how far you can go to defend this government.
Let me ask you why haven't you started it so other people can follow. Mtcheeeew!

This dude Umahi get sense so? Chai! Ebonyi people don enter one chance oh! OYO things

This governor is a sell out, shebi the guy wear him agbada go collect money for Abuja abi, no wahala that money go purge am. Ebonyi people you know what to do

Every igbo person should be talking about breaking away from this country because truth be told we ve already been shortchanged right from inception and rendered politically useless, I mean what do you intend to achieve with just five states? It doesn't matter whether you vote or not once the other regions unite like we saw in the last election your votes become useless.

Personally I find this talk of igbos not knowing how to play their card politically repugnant. The igbos have a free mentality, I mean why would I want to vote Buhari when I hate him just so I can be politically relevant that's stupid for me, you can say whatever you want. The Americans come out and vote whoever they like, you will never see an American voting someone he hates that's the reality, so we should quit this black mentality because in truth there is no true right to vote and to be voted for in Nigeria, we only have the former not the latter.

Yes we have not produced a president but the truth is an average South Easterner doesn't care anymore because we ve been thru worse and survived either way whether politically relevant or not, as a matter of fact the SE politicians are there for business so in the long run it doesn't even matter.

APC, PDP who freaking cares? Divide this country already let everyone go and answer his fathers name. Its been more than 55yrs of independence and 102yrs of amalgamation and Nigeria is still the private business of a select few, about 33yrs ago Buhari was a Nigerian president can you please tell me who the current Nigerian president is?

KAG:


I haven't typed anything different.


Well, get on with it then.

Yeah, without wasting anybody's time and making the thread unnecessarily long, here's the question perhaps you already knew where I was going all along but I will ask it anyway. Moving further up the ancestry

[1] Does the Hominoidae direct ancestor have this ERV genetic pattern?

[2] If it has why isn't this pattern shared among its offspring why was it peculiar to just the Hominoidae?

KAG:


"Brother-Sister esque kind of relationship"? No. On shared ERVs, the presence and the location of those shared retroviral incidents strongly tally with the various splits in the hominoidea family. It's not singular markings from one common ancestral line.

Oh cmon! You said "that the particular genetically marked cells can be passed to an offspring"
Is this info still valid or are we just talking about it tallying.

Because I was of the opinion that what made the ERVs unique was its transferability to offsprings

I know why I'm taking this little by little I hope you are not bored? Perhaps you now see why I dropped every other argument and focused on this at least I hope by the end I may have benefited from the argument not just for the sake of it

KAG:


Or a bush.



I'm not sure what's not clear. Humans and other apes share common ancestry. The phrase "Parent-Child kind of shared or Brother-Sister kind" is meaningless in this context. Here's an image to give you an idea (edited to use an image with a simpler tree):

Fantastic! Quite how I pictured it just so we are sure of what we are talking about. Its actually a Brother-Sister esque kind of relationship with the apes it does hold in this context albeit meaningless like you said.
So according to this ERVs process, the genetic markings where actually passed down to the humans and the apes from the hominoidae who is at the apex right?

KAG:


I don't believe your claim that you don't engage in an argument for the sake of it. In any case, there points addressing your questions and questions I asked in return. Since your previous stance seemed to be that unanswered questions meant you were right (or something), then...

Anyway, yes do come back to the evolution of termits and bacteria when you feel like it. No harm in that.


Goodness, no! I'll repeat it: Humans and modern apes share common ancestry. I'm not sure why that's not clear. Hope this helps: the divergence in Hominidae happened at several points, but humans didn't evolve from modern apes.


Well I guess you'll never know, then.

You know when you talk about common ancestry you are talking of something like a blood line or better still pedigree, so it will have to play out like a Tree or Chain right?
So by Shared Ancestry you will be talking about either Parent-Child kind of shared or Brother-Sister kind of shared isn't it?

I really want to get you in this

KAG:


That doesn't surprise me. Speaking of evading...



Humans and other modern apes share a common ancestry. The genetic evidence - one of which is shared ERVs - shows that to be the case.



Start a new thread and tag me.

I'm not evading, not even close. I just don't engage in an argument for the sake of it. However I may come back to that termite-microbe love story later, I'm just interested in the ERVs now.

Still on the Ape-Human-ERV, one can confidently say that the Apes are intermediary species between the ape ancestors (whoever they are) and humans right?

I'm not starting up any thread to talk about abiogenesis I believe it has no evidence and its not even worth debating about

KAG:


I suspect I'll be repeating a lot of what Cloudgoddess has already written, but, if nothing else, it will hopefully emphasise the point. The theory of evolution IS scientific and falsifiable. It is the fact that it can be so easily potentially falsified that makes it one of the stronger scientific theories around today. If, for instance, the same pattern of shared ERVs seen in primates is found in canines then the theory of evolution will have been falsified.




No, when I referred to shared ERVs, I meant the genetic evidence of shared common ancestry between humans and other apes. I'm just gonna copy/paste:

Human beings and other apes share endogenous retroviruses in unique sites. Endogenous retroviral insertions occur most likely because of failed invasions by viruses in the germline cells. The particular cells are then genetically marked and if passed to an offspring, the offspring possesses said marker. This, in turn, ensures that they can act like genetic markers. Further, that human beings and other apes have the shared ervs in a way that supports models of common ancestry should tell you something. End of short summary.



Nah, there's evidence for abiogenesis. I doubt anyone expects you to know that, though. In any case, like I said, even if the earth and all life were created by some unspecified deity, the theory of evolution is still best explains the change in allele frequencies in a population of living organisms. It stands apart from the origins of life.

I'm just gonna ignore every other thing you said because an argument on it will just take us in circles. However this ERV just caught my attention so let me tag along.
Given the way this ERVs works in both Apes and Humans, I believe I would be right when I say that the Apes are the DIRECT ancestors of Humans right?

Secondly, you keep reiterating that Abiogenesis has evidence please what is this evidence?

CoolUsername:


This is why I keep saying that you're just arguing against your own botched understanding. There's no singular transitional specie but rather a series of transitional species between two distinct species. Every animal is a transitional specie if you look at it. I just explained this.

Really! Like are you for real?
Every animal is a transitional specie? Wow! You are even more ignorant of the theory than you could have imagined.

Here is a statement from Charles Darwins' book the origin of species "...if my theory be true, numberless
intermediate varieties... must assuredly have existed."

The truth is I don't know how best to really reply this your comment because its a truck load of contradictions and obfuscation.

At the bold
what are these series of transitional species that existed between the reptiles and the birds?

CoolUsername:


Do you understand how this thing works at all? Do you think that one singular specie would act as a bridge between two separate species? No, speciation occurs in a gradient. Dude, look you're not paying for tuition.

I believe we can now agree that the archeaopteryx is not an intermediate/transitional specie according to your geologic column between birds and reptiles. Since you are implying that a singular specie can't act as a bridge between two separate species, the question now arises "What are the intermediate species that exist/existed between the reptiles and the birds?"

CoolUsername:


Tch, let it be found. And not some fabricated ploy but a real one.



So what? This why I say that you don't really understand evolution. Several transitional species only give stronger evidence to show that a transition happened and they help us narrow down the period it occurred. So what exactly are you trying to imply here?



But every good hypothesis must have at least sme evidence backing it. Also, didn't I say that it hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt to become a theory? Are you intentionally misunderstanding me?



It eats decomposing plant matter, it's not a stretch to say that a little rotten wood won't enter into its diet, especially when food is scarce. It's possible that infected individuals would have fared far better than others during those periods. I'm just speculating though.

Asking which evolved first is a fallacy. If you truly understand evolution, you should know that it's a continuous process that doesn't end.

So what? Did you just ask that question?
So if fossils of birds were found in earlier rock strata than that of your archeaopteryx according to your geologic column it then implies that it can't be a transitional or intermediate specie between reptiles and birds. You are so blinded in your arguments do you even read these things b4 you click the submit button? (I don't subscribe to the geologic column but you can't even see that it doesn't even support your argument)

Who said hypothesis must have at least some evidence backing it? Did you observe macro-evolution? A hypothesis remains a hypothesis, again try reading these things b4 you submit.

Again you were speculating on the symbiosis between the termites and the microbes and at thesame time trying to pass it off as scientific truth. This is exactly what the evolution theory is speculations, a dud, it never happened you guys hope it did.
Evolution is a continuous process yet we have to wait billions of years for macro evolution to take place. Don't bother with the micro evolution evidence thingy because I won't reply you on that.

CoolUsername:


Dude, you claim to be educated on this subject, yet you make such ignorant assertions. Evolution is extremely falsifiable, for example, if a single rabbit fossil is found in precambrian rock, evolution would be disproved. But there have been ZERO occurrences of this, not statistically less but zero.



You've seen the archaeopteryx fossil right? 'Cause if you have, you won't say this, and if you haven't, then you don't know enough about this subject to argue for or against it.



Botched analogy, you're only arguing your own flawed understanding of this subject. Living organisms are comprised of self-replicating proteins that are capable of mutation.

The Italian wall lizard, when introduced to new environment was observed to make an evolutionary shift from insectivorous
to herbivorous in less than 40 years.



There is evidence for abiogenesis, but it hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Abiogenesis is only a hypothesis and is distinct from the theory of evolution.



If life had a designer, then that designer must be at least as complex as living organisms, this raises the important question as to who designed the designer? If the designer doesn't require a designer then why would you say that life requires one?

The fact that it hasn't been found out yet is not a valid reason to give up and abandon all research.



Once again, this is an opinion borne from your flawed understanding. If you seriously think so, then identify those gaps and formulate a hypothesis that doesn't have gaps.


This is the main reason I answered this post. You're arguing for irreducible complexity, and claiming that one cannot survive without the other. But every symbiotic relationship can be explained simply, the bacterium benefited the termite by allowing it to digest wood while the termite would provide food for it, the infected individuals eventually took over the others by natural selection and they both became interdependent. In this scenario how exactly is this relationship irreducibly complex?

Hmmm! So we will have to wait for a single rabbit fossil to be found in precambrian rocks before we can agree that evolution theory is a dud, as if to say if it happens you and your ilks will accept it.
You have jumped in to tell me about archeaopteryx without even realizing that fossil of birds have been found in older rock strata than Archaeopteryx (that is if I am to subscribe to your geologic column) your evolution theory doesn't even support your argument with the archeaopteryx.

you ve gone ahead to say abiogenesis is only a hypothesis, but you have already told me earlier that there is evidence for abiogenesis, who can argue with such logic. Why do you guys do these things to yourselves?

For the symbiosis relationship between the termite and the microbe, your argument does not follow, because from your argument there would be a time when the termite existed without the microbe, which means at that point the termite would be unable to digest wood and consequently any consumption of wood would be injurious to the termite or possibly kill it.
Now why would the termite consume something that would kill it? Or are you saying it kept on trying out the wood diet until one day it got lucky and met the microbe that saved the entire termite race?
I don't think the question involves irreducible complexity, its a simple question of which evolved first?

trueconscience:


Comprehension is important in communication activity. First understand before you seek to be understood...The issue is the IPOB have been CRYING WOLF even when there was none!

So IPOB agatu branch where crying wolf, Falae who was kidnapped by the herdsmen is an IPOB member, oh wait maybe its IPOB northern branch that proposed the grazing bill so that terrorist can come and occupy our lands.
Was it IPOB daura branch that made the president to be silent on the matter?
Guy abeg try get sense na! Activate your brain use it for something positive

cloudgoddess:

Again, you've proved you're not knowledgable on it's basic points and refuse to learn, so you're in no place at all to make any judgment on it's validity.

What you're doing is the equivalent of me having not read a single book on astrophysics and then trying to spout that microwave radiation is made up. You're arguing from ignorance and it's making you look foolish.


Wow, the gay references really went over your head. Their purpose was to point out the ridiculousness of the idea that the creator of the entire universe and all of the millions of species on earth, would view homosexual behavior amongst a single primate species as a valid reason to destroy all life on the planet. It sounds eerily like something an egotistical man-baby with middle-eastern 1st century values would do. Certainly not an all-knowing, all-loving, infinitely understanding god.

Your theory is DUD its all speculations it never happened, you can claim I am nt knowledgeable in the subject matter that's up to you I don't care but your arguments in this thread have been filled with contradictions which you have failed to note so you have also refused to learn.

Once again Christianity is a religion and I never passed them off as science like you guys did the evolution theory. If you are going to peep into the bible and pick stories that suits your argument then you should be ready to accept my bible quotations when I start giving them to you in defense of the stories you brought up.

KAG:


I'm not quite sure you understand the scientific method as well as you think you do. Just a statement of fact based on what you've typed.

First, the theory of evolution most certainly abides by scientific principles. It's one of the foremost theories in science because of how deeply it's been subjected to scrutiny (and still is). Many examples to show evidence of evolution can be proferred. My favourite example is the genetic one: the incidence of shared endogenous retroviruses in humans and other apes.

Second, science doesn't work in the way you stated: "If there is to be so much as a gap in a scientific theory it will be dropped or suspended pending when the gap has been rectified". That's simply not true. In fact, going back to Newton, physicists knew the Newtonian law on gravity wasn't the right explanation for gravity. Although it worked in many instances, aberrations, like the orbit of Mercury, showed there were gaps and Newton was probably wrong to some extent. However, the theory sufficed until Einstein's theory centuries later. That's science. The theory of evolution is the best explanation of the data we have concerning the evolution of populations.



That's not how evolution works.



It's okay amongst some human societies (and some human individuals). You seem to be overlooking history and reality. Groups/tribes justify murder all the time, and since this is a religious forum, one need only look to religous texts to see favoured humans and their tribe justify the wholesale slaughter of other humans. That's plenty evidence to suggest societies have developed their ethics based on factors that are natural and physically explainable. Altruism can explain in-tribe kindness to foster cohesion. One can use the same methodology to explore the reverse against those considered outside of the tribe.



Pretty much the same as above. We of modern society know it's bad. Some humans don't. Many early human ancestors were willing to rape women (or in some religious texts, forcibly marry them before raping them) as spoils of war. They knew they were right.



That's a philosophical argument, nothing to do particularly with any science. However, you can. Our courts may find you guilty of a crime, though.



Or evidence of self-preservation.



No. Two separate sciences. Life could have been started naturally or by a deity, it won't change the evidence that underpins the theory of evolution.



Abiogenesis does have evidence, but considering how well this thread is going, I'm sure you're interested in the evidence for abiogenesis. In any case, why would you expect scientists to have created "a simple cell in a lab"? And if they have, will you accept it can happen naturally, or will you claim that shows life needs an intelligent creator?



I think best to ignore the rest of that, no? I haven't been around these parts in a while, but the M.O. hasn't changed all that much. Look, you're clearly a smart guy, so my advice will be to actually understand the theory of evolution before trying to argue against it. I don't think you know anything about the subject.

For any theory to be considered scientific it must be falsifiable, can't say that about your evolution theory.
There's nothing scientific about the birds evolving from reptiles, nothing scientific about a plant cell becoming an animal cell just because you said it will happen in millions of years.

Your argument involving the Newtonian law of gravity bothers on Fallacy of accident. The fact that it was still used at the time doesn't justify it being the appropriate thing to do, besides you rightfully pointed out that it was true in some occasions.

Please the fact that similar processes occur in different animals doesn't mean that one animal is the ancestor of the other. there are saloon cars that run on diesel engine just like trailers and luxury buses that doesn't tell us that trailers, luxury buses evolved from saloon cars or that they evolved from lister generators, that argument doesn't follow when will you guys understand this?

Evolutionists keep searching for evidences that they tend to obfuscate their ideas in yet more theories that need more evidence. Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever but you can believe it that's up to you but just try not to pass it off as science.

Ancient and few select tribes involving in murder, rape etc doesn't answer the question of how we came to know right from wrong. And are you trying to say that lying is mainly for self preservation and yet we all consider perjury as a crime? You guys are so full of contradictions.

Well if scientist can't recreate a simple cell in a lab then its proof that life didn't originate by accident and if eventually they do it will be proof that life needs an intelligent designer to have existed and yet again that it didn't come by accident. So yes they are in a dilemma which I could really care less about.

Evolution theory does not have a gap it has gapssss and shouldn't be called a theory in the first place its all speculations.

I asked the OP several questions and she has avoided all of them one of which was the termite and the microbe in its gut that helps it digest wood which evolved first owing to the fact that both can't survive without the other? perhaps you could help her out because I believe they ve always existed side by side since inception

dammytosh:


Shut up and stop beating chest shamelessly.

The ultimatum for your Lord and Saviour never reach ?

He has been there since only God knows if it were to be a Yoruba man, you guys will come and lecture 'South West' how your Navy seal team would have rescued Kanu in a commando style.

Bury your heads in shame until you release Kanu.

IPOB should break him out of jail so you and your ilks can term them a terrorist group? Nice try, you watch too much hollywood

Just like he said "Somalia will be a paradise compared to Nigeria if you don't let Biafra go" Folks thought he and IPOB will pick up weapons and wedge war against nigeria, he has not uttered a word since october 2015 and ipob is yet to kill a fly and yet nigeria is closer to a war than we all imagined. You can hate him but when e happen no talk say him no tell you, walahi the truth is bitter

Just like he said "Somalia will be a paradise compared to Nigeria if you don't let Biafra go"
Folks thought he and IPOB will pick up weapons and wedge war against nigeria, he has not uttered a word since october 2015 and ipob is yet to kill a fly and yet nigeria is closer to a war than we all imagined.
You can hate him but when e happen no talk say him no tell you, walahi the truth is bitter

cloudgoddess:

...psychological projection of the highest order. How can you say this, given your stance on things? How can you genuinely believe atheists are the ones deserving of such labels, but not you? It is like, you took the precise statement that would apply to you and those who agree with you, and flipped it on the people it would least apply to. Masterful projection, I've never seen anything like this.

Applying critical thought to your beliefs then renouncing them is literally the reversal of indoctrination. Comparing modern scientific knowledge to the 2,000 year old Hebrew scripts you were read as a child and deciding the former made more sense, is the definition of using scrutiny. Moreover, there is nothing at all illogical about accepting the idea of "generations upon generations of environment-directed genetic change leading to new organisms over millions of years," over the idea that "an emotional, invisible, supernatural man who hates gay sex, used the power of his words to poof all of the different species on earth all at once, because he wanted to give humans stuff to rule over and eat. and also he drowned all those species later when people were having too much gay sex. even though he knew it would happen because he knows everything. but he was still pissed off."

Also, the following show that even after all of the discourse in this thread, my OP, and links/resources I provided, you still don't understand what evolution actually involves and need to read up more on this topic if you want to have even the slightest idea what you're talking about:

Abiogenesis... not evolution. And rocks are not the same as prebiotic soup - different chemical constituents. Read up.


Altruism & kinship... is... observed... in thousands of other... nonhuman species... it confers survival benefit and is thus part of our DNA. Read up.


Evolution is not a philosophy... it's a field of biological study concerned with how genetics and the environment interact to create species. There are christians who accept evolution, along with buddhists, taoists, jews, humanists, the list goes on. And not all atheists accept evolution or are even educated on it. Evolution =/= atheism or theism. Read up.

Thanks.

The label indoctrinated militant is apt. You consider your evolution theory as science even though it does not abide by the scientific method. Take for example the Newton's first law of motion, if I were to ask you for examples/evidence to support that law you will come up with an unending list without blinking just as you would be unable to come up with a scenario where the law does not hold, now that's the science I know, the science that we all appreciate. If there is to be so much as a gap in a scientific theory it will be dropped or suspended pending when the gap has been rectified. Same cannot be said about your evolution theory. (That's the scrutiny I was referring to)
I asked you some questions earlier and you avoided it like a plague for reasons best known to you, these are pertinent questions that should have made any scientists to drop/suspend the theory and seek for answers unless you are an indoctrinated militant.
My christian beliefs are based on religion and I never passed them off as science unlike the evolutionists, so whatever evidence you might require from me will bother on FAITH.

I don't know why the emphasis on gay, are you? Anyway

*If your parents were gay would you have existed?
*If all of mankind decides to be gay, what better definition would you give to extinction?
*If we were to go by your evolution theory, what if your ancestors turned out gay what would have become of the evolution process?

Its a shame that you should bring up altruism as an evidence of how we came to know right from wrong!
How then does altruism explain the fact that murder is okay among lower animals, but not okay among humans?
How does altruism explain the fact that rape among humans is bad but we can watch as a rooster rapes a hen and it will be just fine.
Altruism bothers on selflessness so why can't I comfortably kill someone to protect the interest of my friend after all I killed for him didn't I?

You look at a child and even without telling him/her anything the childs' first instinct would be to lie so as to avoid the punishment of the father/mother which is yet an evidence that evil is inherent in humans.


You talk about Abiogenesis, let me ask you this- Is Abiogenesis not the foundation upon which the evolution process was based?
Now Abiogenesis has no evidence yet it has been accepted by you lot. You guys said life came by accident and yet scientists have been unable to create a simple cell in a lab.
Let's look at an accident, take for instance a car accident.
At least I can come up with the conditions for a car accident to occur, namely: bad road, drunk driver, bad tire, disregard for traffic rules... etc, combine any of these conditions and you are certain that a car accident would occur.
Scientists can't recreate a simple cell neither can they come up with the conditions necessary for this accident called life to occur and yet you guys are trying to tell us that its science, sorry your evolution theory is a DUD

Madrid against the weakest opponent and still couldn't win, any way still watching this una easy ride.
Tomorrow we watch bayern 'exeunt' the competition...loool

blueAgent:
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Thank U bro. God bless U.

God bless you too

fiizznation:
Did you just said that how many herdsmen are killed? My friend you need to check your head and your conscience. So a herdsman life doesn't matter because he is not a being? Playing the victim card won't resolve these issues. Do you even know there are some communities in west Africa who kill Fulani people and use some parts of their bodies for fetish things? Look all these things are not new news, the have been happening and media houses don't talk about them.

So let's kill them all right? The market in Kano filled with igbo traders was burnt so any mai suya or ama awusa in the SE should be destroyed abi?
You see nothing good can ever come out of this your logic. You revenge, uwani pple revenge ... Its just a merry go round of violence that benefits no one

abbey621:


Please spare me the bullsh*t! If the Governor of the State has any balls,no order from the FG will stop the arrest of those herdsmen!

As much as the gov of the state isn't doing anything you have to note that the police, army, navy etc are all under the FG.
So which security agency will be carrying out the arrest?

abbey621:
It is only the ignorant ones that refuse to open their eyes and see that these are not ordinary Fulani herdsmen but Boko Haram! The average Southerner cannot differentiate between Fulani and other Northerners so it's no surprise they quickly termed them Fulani herdsmen, the proper term for these psychopaths is TERRORISTS! Instead of waiting for Buhari to do something, does each State not have a Governor? Does each state not have police or armed forces? Okay let's go down all the way to the civilians, no OPC? No vigilante groups? It's easy to blame Buhari but look deep inside and realize there's no one to blame but your own damn selves!

Oga the part of the story that says army were arresting the community members you no see am?
The problem isn't fighting these guys the problem is the FG backing them

What do you expect buhari to do it has always been his plan all along. All I have to tell him is dat he will reap what he has sown a hundred fold.
And when the hammer comes it will come down so hard that his entire lineage will feel the heat

IamAtribalist:


Before the civil war Igbo military officers went on a wanton killing mode of Non-Igbo leaders across the country. When news of the violent slaughter of non-Igbo leaders filtered into the Igbo communities in the South East, the Igbos went on the streets in wanton jubilation. This tribalistic killings is considered, by many historians, to be one of the major contributing factor to the eventual war.

Is this the reply you had in mind? because you just posted it for everyone to see. Please go back and read it again and confirm