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davien:
Is it demonstrable?

Atheists argue that life popped out of nothing, therefore God is not needed in the equation. They are quick at using M and B word. They say Earth is billions of years old and man is millions of years old and evolved from tiny organisms. They have refused to give us detailed reasons why it took so long and every process man took, if possible catalyze the whole process, subsequently giving us a human being.
Let me use the experiment that Galileo Galilei used to stun the entire world of science; the experiment that every object falls at same rate when air resistance is absent. To do this, we have to pump out the air to give us a vacuum (though logic tells us the vacuum is something, the absence of air molecules gives us a perfect example of nothing since we are only concerned about the air molecules and its emptiness.)
Through this experiment, we see that for nothing(absence of air molecules) to exist, something must have triggered it. What if we want to get our air molecules back(a very important component of life itself)? Should we wait for a few days, months, years or centuries for air molecules to pop out of nothing? A sane mind will realise that something can't come out of nothing but nothing can come out of something. This proof singlehandedly shows that the genesis of the 'faith' of atheists is shaky.
Since its now being proofed that life started from something and not nothing (even nothing must come from something,) we can then try to highlight the properties and characteristics this something must possess:
1) Must be called God because everything was created by him because without him was anything made that was made.
2) He must be infinite because he is infinity, he came from infinity, therefore he has no source, neither can he have an end because he is infinite.
3) He must be all powerful and infinitely intelligent. The works of his hands are sufficient proof.
4) He must possess properties beyond normal, properties beyond our wisdom e.g an invisible Spirit. People will wish to argue this one but Hebrews 11:3 says: Through faith, we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that "things which are seen are not made of things which do appear". This applies to everything in the universe, including you and this knowledge is applied in the making of televisions and phones.

davien:
Nice equivocation fallacy....using the bibles definition of faith to lie is a mighty feat for a christian...isn't the verse hebrews 11:1?
It is not my duty to prove the non-existence of "god" because it has never been proven,only labelled on things(evident by this entire thread).
And by your definition you have faith allah doesn't exist because you can't prove it does...
So perhaps you should stop and think clearly before painting yourself into a corner..

I have the proof of God's existence

Longstride:
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An omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent creator God would create organisms that have optimal design.

Organisms have features that are suboptimal.

Therefore, God either did not create these organisms or is not omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.

These are pointless and baseless. The complexity of the eyes I think should bother us more than how we wished it to be. Even if these are actually defects, it should rather amaze you how its still possible we can see, even with these perceived 'defects'.

davien:
Forces were identified before things were attributed to forces...and the knowledge of gravity and its laws are general statements that are true under certain conditions(i.e presence of mass or a false vacuum)...you have no case emmalot121.
You are just making one empty assertion after the other.

The same way the complexity of life was identified before attributing it to God. Tell me, can an unintelligent process create this masterpiece?

davien:
This is a straw man...they are both secular and the former is just a lack of belief in "god/gods" which is something science cannot objectively verify or even hypothesis to exist also...

Atheism is faith, can you prove the nonexistence of God? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Atheists hope that God doesn't exist though you can't prove his nonexistence. You hope afterlife doesn't exist though you aren't sure it doesn't. Back your faith, before critiquing that of others.

davien:
If one cannot identify a "god",then how can one attribute things to a "god"?
If you cannot identify that a tooth fairy exists,then how can you attribute tooth missing from pillows as its handiwork?
And on the grounds of evolution,i'll ask you a very simple set of questions of which the first one is this..were all the present forms of life created with their various features necessary for their survival?

Have you seen why I said atheism and science can't go together? If Newton didn't reason that for objects to fall, a force must be pulling it towards itself, where in the world would the priceless knowledge of gravity and its laws come from? Apply this to what we are discussing.

After recklessly spending our precious $17billion

davien:
Let's say we don't know how eyes came to be...does the ignorance of a subject give merit to the idea of "god"?...or is it a label to mask ignorance?...because if I asked how "god" did it,you'd have no answer.
And point of correction the eyes are flawed...ask an optician what floaters are and you'll realise one design flaw after the other..
Perhaps our ignorance of black holes should be answered by "god did it" too,would it solve anything?...or just provide a label to mask ignorance?

Atheism and science can't go together.

davien:
Let's say we don't know how eyes came to be...does the ignorance of a subject give merit to the idea of "god"?...or is it a label to mask ignorance?...because if I asked how "god" did it,you'd have no answer.
And point of correction the eyes are flawed...ask an optician what floaters are and you'll realise one design flaw after the other..

If you can't answer it, then that means there is still possibility of God doing it. In fact, it is impossible that something as sophisticated as human eyes was done through evolution.

Yes! The people's general. Let's send the 'clueless one' back to otuokpe.

Kay17 Ifeness xcapist cold I'm sure ya all won't disappoint.

How did eyes come into existence? The eyes works like camera and like the camera, it needs a physicist to position the lens in order that the rays coming from the object can be reproduced inverted at the back of the eyes, which is then translated by the brain as erect. Who thought evolution physics? If this isn't the work of God, who did? Nature? Answer pls. Simple question demands simple answer, don't beat about the bush.






The human eye belongs to a general group of eyes found in nature called "camera-type eyes." Instead of film, the human eye focuses light onto a light sensitive membrane called the retina.
Here’s how the human eye is put together and how it works:
The cornea is a transparent structure found in the very front of the eye that helps to focus incoming light. Behind the cornea is a colored ring-shaped membrane called the iris. The iris has an adjustable circular opening called the pupil, which can expand or contract depending on the amount of light entering the eye. [The 7 Biggest Mysteries of the Human Body]



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A clear fluid called the aqueous humor fills the space between the cornea and the iris.
Situated behind the pupil is a colorless, transparent structure called the crystalline lens. Ciliary muscles surround the lens. The muscles hold the lens in place but they also play an important role in vision.
When the muscles relax, they pull on and flatten the lens, allowing the eye to see objects that are far away. To see closer objects clearly, the ciliary muscle must contract in order to thicken the lens.
The interior chamber of the eyeball is filled with a jelly-like tissue called the vitreous humor. After passing through the lens, light must travel through this humor before striking the sensitive layer of cells called the retina.
The retina is the innermost of three tissue layers that make up the eye. The outermost layer, called the sclera, is what gives most of the eyeball its white color. The cornea is also a part of outer layer.
The middle layer between the retina and sclera is called the choroid. The choroid contains blood vessels that supply the retina with nutrients and oxygen and removes its waste products. [Image Gallery: Eye Implant Restores Some Vision to Blind]
Embedded in the retina are millions of light sensitive cells, which come in two main varieties: rods and cones.
Rods are good for monochrome vision in poor light, while cones are used for color and for the detection of fine detail. Cones are packed into a part of the retina directly behind the retina called the fovea.
When light strikes either the rods or the cones of the retina, it's converted into an electric signal that is relayed to the brain via the optic nerve. The brain then translates the electrical signals into the images we see.
http://m.livescience.com/3919-human-eye-works.html

We need your works too. Faith without works is dead.

Waste of talent.

Danabu:
maybe she thought she entered one chance

Maybe she was high on alcohol.

echobee:
U re so wicked and he artless .
Rest in peace to d dead

She be jet li? What was she expecting?

Money talks.

Na her own palaver. Where was she rushing to?

Thanks man! This has surely helped me in my quest to being independent of women.

Nairaland is bowing.

That's sad!

That's sad.

frank317:
Tell him to bring it on... Mind you he will be judged by me on the last day. I will throw his spiritual ass in to everlasting ice where he would freeze for life.
He deserves freezing for creating such a failed earth.

You really don't have to be converted because you have sinned against God. No forgiveness my dear.

Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart after he was done with the ten plagues my heart pondered? I am sure such thought would have gone through Moses' heart but after viewing the link at the end of this post, I knew why. God knew for sure how evil mankind is, that is why He fell the Egyptian army into the sea.Though righteous men like Moses and rational minds would have easily believed that it is the work of God, but what of evil men?
God as being perfect and allwise knew that men will wish to subdue his mighty works, in order to continue in their evil ways, He therefore told Moses 'one more', one more to prove beyond all human doubts that He did it. There is no way evil, perverse men can deny these things happened, therefore, they became vain in their imaginations and gave the works of the most High to natural causes, claiming they know how it all happened since anybody who wants to discredit it will have to fight with history.
Therefore, if anyone tells you he knows how it all happened, the 10 plagues, tell him it is not 10 but 10 + 1. If the Istraelites had crossed the red sea without the Egyptians to witness it, perverse men would have said it didn't happen but that the Israelites built ships to convey them. No matter how doubtful their views are, all they had to do was convince themselves that they are right.
With the sinking of the Egyptian army in the red sea, I Am proved beyond all doubts that He did it with His might and not through natural causes. God is allwise and knows the thought of man, even several centuries before it manifest.
WHO IS LIKE UNTO THEE OH LORD?! WHO IS LIKE UNTO THEE OH LORD?! AMONG THE gods WHO IS LIKE THEE, GLORIOUS IN HOLINESS AND FEARFUL IN PRAISES, DOING WONDERS, HALLELUJAH. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html

frank317:
Daftness in the highest order. Someone opens up a thread on a topic he knows absolutely nothing about.

I keep on saying it, most Christians don't read their bible. They just go to church, listen to their pastor, make assumptions that makes them feel okay, pay their tithe and offering, clap hand and dance and go back home to continue to sin. Yet they are quick to call atheists fools for something they themselves know nothing about.

A simple question and the all knowing op is running round and round.

He knows no shame... And is ready to just justify the killing of babies by his God. What's all this rubbish about kids going to hevean. Why don't you kill your new infant so that he could go to heaven. Are u such a sadist because of religion?
What is really the difference between your thinking and bokoharam's if you think people who disobey your god deserve death?

God owes no man his moral rights, the same way he will throw you to hell without blinking an eye.

mynairatime:
Stop it there is no god! & if there is god then we have to ask ourselves who is innocent? if there is god the innocent man can be defined as a person who did not have say & cannot deternine his source & his end. Power beyond the innocent man dictates what happens to him. meaning what makes an innocent man is lack of his ability to dictate or determine his source of creation. in that case the god that created the innocent determine his bigining & the end, his death, nature of his death...but if there is no god then there is no innocent man. everyone knows his source, determines his own presence on earth...as for me i believe there is no innocent among men so whatever happens to them before they were born,their time on earth,death & after their death are all determined by them. as for me NO GOD... existentialism. Sometimes i see the world as nihilistic

Can you prove his nonexistence? If God didn't create the universe, who did, what did? How did it happen? By chance! The probability of an ant being created by chance is zero, not to talk of humans. Better think. God owes nobody, if he throws u to the dungeons, who will blame him? Check my profile for my proof of God.

johnydon22:
all those stories are bleeping lies... jewish myth

Including the crossing of the red sea? God is a God of history, that those who wish to know may consult the past.

I haven't.

Sad one. I have a good wife, so I don't eat outside. I hate eating outside.

Does therealmrsatan think this is a place for his mere imaginations. This is a bad omen.