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honesttalk21:
Mansa actually means King. A good number of slaves he had were inherited from the king who didn't return from his voyage to the end of the Atlantic. He however did expand the size of the kingdom.

Contrary to common misconceptions, slavery in Africa did exist prior to colonization, but it had distinct characteristics and was not based on race. Slavery in precolonial Africa was more akin to a system of indentured servitude or debt bondage, where individuals could become enslaved as a result of war, criminal activities, or unpaid debts.

In precolonial Africa, slavery was not a hereditary condition, and the status of being enslaved did not pass down from one generation to the next. Enslaved individuals possessed certain rights and could even attain social mobility through marriage, kinship ties, or military service. Additionally, slavery was an essential component of the complex labor systems that existed within different African societies. Enslaved individuals played a crucial role in agriculture, trade, and other economic activities, but they were not viewed solely as property but rather as part of the larger social fabric of their respective communities. Even though the 12,000 slaves that accompanied him to Mecca is often regarded as exaggerated, their fine dressing will not be in tune with those oppresed.

I am aware that Mansa means king and that Musa is said before Mansa in Mali syntax, did you know that?

Many of the prisoners of war kept as slaves were the brave warriors defending their kingdom against annexation and slave raiding. You are using political correctness.


Slaves were sacrificed annually in Benin Kingdom to fire gods. In Cross River State every year 100 slaves were cannibalized and eaten by the whole kingdom.

Yes I know the ethnic groups who held slaves and what they did with them. I have tudied African history quite well.

Ethiopia has slavery and had slavery before the Whiteman came to Africa to buy slaves. And Ethiopia has transgenders just like any prominent Black nation or area of the world because Gay Marriage Originated in Africa.

All these people who are black as a raisin in the Sun are claiming to be the biblical Hebrews. I have shown you that Hebrews are Semitic people and that they are brown there's no way they could be black or either white.

There is no second coming.

Mozambique transgenders they have been there before the Whiteman came but somehow they are being suppressed. The thing about Sodomy is that governments can suppress them but it's a hidden world. There are alot of down low sneaky men with wives and girlfriends that sleep with transgender men being presented.

I have said these needed things with great humility and respect.

Being queer in Madagascar, one of the world’s most underreported countries.


As you can see Black men are transgenders way out in Madagascar.

So who ate these men who dress and act as women trying to attract and please? There are a whole lot of black men who are secretly bisexual that like to play the active role in the homosexual encounter.

This is something that those of you that are claiming that you are Hebrews whilst claiming you are also Black don't understand. Shem is the father of the Hebrews and Shem is brown. That means you are denying your forefather by saying that you are black. Ham is the father of the black race and Ham is black. Ham is the Nubian race the father of Africa, they are the oldest and largest ethnic group in Africa. I have meet and talked with some of the royal family of Nubia and they know who my royal family is and that we are Asiatics. My royal bloodline is the same origin as the Persians and Arabs. Franks are the tribe of Benjamin ruled by the Merovingian Judah. We are brown and always have been brown and although we mixed with Gentile blacks Ham is not our father. So no black person has any claim over our inheritances. Yeshua Ben Yossef comes through the line of Shem. There is no black Jesus.

The Purple Transgender President

bobestman:
Who says melanin grant super powers? What is jesus? You need serious help. Many home and abroad who teach about the messiah know him as black. Brown is a product of black. Go and cure your brainwashing

There is no black Jesus.

Honesttalk21

You write very well and you are very educated. I am a huge admirer of Musa Mansa or Musa the Great Sultan, yet did you know he used thousands of slaves in his infrastructure projects in Mali? Musa Mansa was a Moor and they were evil slave raiders in the Iberian Peninsula and even there in North Africa. It's something often forgotten when celebrating the accomplishments of the great Sultan Musa.


I agree with you that not all peoples in Africa held slaves and some were dead set against slavery like the Igbos. But you didn't mention any of the people that vehemently opposed slavery only the ones that performed it at a very high level. Such as the Cushites they were famous slave raiders and conquerors. The thing in Africa is it's taboo to enslave own's kinfolk but every other kingdom around was fair game. You mentioned that the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade was race based but in Africa it was tribal base. I really can't see the difference between a race and a tribe when it comes to putting another human being in chains and doing to them what your will. Slavery existed in Africa long before White Jews came to buy them. And even when the Africans sold slaves they kept way more slaves for themselves than they sold. Slavery was brutal in Africa including cannibalizing slaves and sacrificing them to fire gods. And let's not talk about the castration of slave boys by Moors and even the Akan to make them into boy toys. Some of this atrocity still occurs in the Muslim North today to the children of Christian Igbos whose slaughtered by Jihadists.


You write very well, very educated but you aren't very forthcoming on the facts. You are repeating political spin that I have seen before.

bobestman:
Whoever is supplying that weed is supposed to be arrested. It is affecting your mental health

Pseudoscience is puff puff.

Melanin Theory is puff puff.


There is no black Jesus. If Melanin was great in granting super powers then why there is no black Jesus?

honesttalk21:
Perharps I will learn more however serfs had little legal recourse or protection and they were subject to the whims and decisions of their lords, which often meant a lack of control over their lives and futures. This dependence on aristocratic rule perpetuated the subjugation and exploitation of serfs, making it even more challenging for them to break free from their low social status.

Civil law and order in ancient Africa encompassed both customary and centralized legal systems, with a strong emphasis on community participation and consensus building. These systems, although varying across different regions, provided a means to resolve conflicts, punish wrongdoings, and maintain harmony. The involvement of respected community leaders, formal legal experts, and local councils ensured the fair implementation of justice, reflecting the value ancient African societies placed on upholding civil order.

The Franks had such structure that you mentioned such centralized legal systems which was the Salic Law. The Franks had leadership and community cooperation as various warrior families partook in leadership. We had spiritual leadership coming from the church who helped restrain our power abuses and inspire us to be more Christian like in our rule.

Africa had slavery and it was very brutal with slave raiding, cannibalizing slaves and human sacrifices of slaves. We had no such thing in Europe so there's really no comparison in terms which system was best. We win hands down and it's the same as today because people die to get out of Africa to come to America, France, Germany and the U.K.

honesttalk21:
The majority of serfs were born into serfdom and inherited their status from their parents. Life as a serf was often harsh, with limited social mobility and personal freedoms. They were tied to the land and were not legally allowed to leave their lord's estate without permission. This lack of mobility made it nearly impossible for them to migrate or seek a better life elsewhere, as they were bound by their obligations and responsibilities to their lord.

Even when serfs were granted permission to leave their lord's estate, it was usually for a specific purpose such as attending fairs, family events, or religious pilgrimages. However, their freedom to travel was still heavily restricted and closely monitored. Many serfs would be required to obtain a written pass or document from their lord, which they would have to present to authorities if questioned while traveling. This further emphasizes the fact that despite having the ability to leave temporarily, they were not considered migrants as they were still tied to their original estate.

Salic law focused on issues of inheritance and succession, particularly excluding women from inheriting property or ruling as monarchs. On the other hand, serfdom was a labor system that bound peasants to the land they worked on, subjecting them to the control and authority of feudal lords.

The Salic law was established around the 6th century and governed many aspects of medieval life, especially inheritance rights. It is notable for its exclusionary nature, limiting the rights of women to inherit or hold positions of power. This legal framework was part of a larger societal context that perpetuated male dominance and patrilineal succession. The Salic law played an enduring role in shaping European monarchies, as it reinforced the principle of male primogeniture, where the eldest son was entitled to inherit titles, land, and power.

Poor people have always existed and only the day Judgement will change that. As far as the Salic Law I suggest you read because it covers more than inheritance rights and male power. It gives a breakdown of what is the appropriate punishment for various acts like such if a Lord kills his serf. My ancestors were not able to stop all of the abuses but they tried. The Salic Law was the most any citizen of government ran by humans can expect. Before you criticize my ancestors show me such law in Medieval Niger Area.

honesttalk21:
Interesting point when the serfdom gets passed on to their children

If you don't make it out of poverty then doesn't poverty gets passed on to your children?

In France there were royalty, nobles, middle class
usually merchants, peasants and serfs. The merchants were usually foreigners and the serfs were usually poor migrants. The same reality exists in the world today with poor migrants that flood the borders of rich nations. Some people take advantage of them and work them with little or no pay. This is
why KingPharamond my ancestor created the Salic Law to govern some of this area as best as possible. Maybe you aught to read the Salic Law it's based on the laws of Judah.

honesttalk21:
That some people made it out doesn't make it right. Some slaves got free and some escaped.
Where they all migrants or born into slavery or serfdom?

Serfs could leave when they wanted only they had to inform their Lord. Many serfs went on pilgrimages and travelled. There was no slavery in Europe.

honesttalk21:
Serfdom refers to a condition in medieval Europe in which a tenant farmer was bound to a hereditary plot of land and to the will of his landlord. The vast majority of serfs in medieval Europe obtained their subsistence by cultivating a plot of land that was owned by a lord.

The essential additional mark of serfdom was the lack of many of the personal liberties that were held by freedmen.

Serfdom is essentially a form of slavery that was predominant in feudal societies during the medieval period. While serfs were not technically considered property like slaves, the similarities between the two systems are striking. Serfs were bound to the land and were obligated to work for their lords, receiving meager compensation for their labor. Their work was not only their own, but also the work of their children and grandchildren, passing down from one generation to another, akin to the hereditary enslavement of slaves.

Fertile land was held by the Nobles and only the marsh and forest were available. Owning land was the only way up the social ladder. Many people did make it out of Serfdom and that's something not discussed by the people firmly against the Feudal system today. Yet what other solution was available to people who were mostly migrants? Serf means Surf that these people rode the waves of migration into the Frankish Empire from Eastern Europe and Asia.

honesttalk21:
Just as there is no white Jesus.

Hebrew Israelites were an ancient Semitic people who inhabited the land of Israel. However, due to various factors such as invasions and forced exiles, they migrated to different regions, including Africa. This migration is supported by historical records and accounts, which highlight the dispersal of Hebrew communities across the African continent.

Additionally, linguistic similarities between certain African languages and Hebrew further strengthen the proof of African Hebrew origins. Scholars have discovered shared vocabulary and grammatical structures between Hebrew and languages spoken in Africa, suggesting a historical connection.

Yet those Hebrews that ventured into Africa have been mostly absorbed by the dominant Black gene. Those claiming they are Hebrew in Africa are only a small DNA percentage and do not match the phenotype of Hebrews but Nubians.

honesttalk21:
Incidentally, within Africa there is a huge amount of variation, ranging from skin as light as some Asians to the darkest skin on a global level and everything in between.

There’s no such thing as an African race. Skin color is extremely variable on the African continent, and it is still evolving.

Variety exists everywhere due to migration and mixing even Medieval Europe had lots of variety. Yet when we are discussing who is the original race of Africa it is the jet black Nubians. They are the fathers of Africa. The Nubians who are the biblical Ham are not fathers of the Hebrews. There is no black Jesus.

Male Fraud

honesttalk21:
Slavery in Britain existed before the Roman occupation and until the 11th century, when the Norman conquest of England resulted in the gradual merger of the pre-conquest institution of slavery into serfdom, and all slaves were no longer recognised separately in English law or custom.

During the Atlantic slave trade, the largest participants in the sales were British merchants. In 15th and 16th century, people experienced a period called as the Age of Discovery where the European exploration around the world was pioneered by Portugal and Spain. They tried to find out the new land and established overseas empire.

Due to the success of Portugal and Spain, the countries like France, England and Netherlands tried to form their own colonies in Asia and America.

You probably have heard that the new white supremacy is brown.

The Scotts, Irish and English were Hebrew Edomites they are not Franks. Yes they did began to use slaves in the colonies and the English were the largest European entity to participate in the Atlantic Slave Trade

honesttalk21:
Would you trust a picture of Moses as the common picture of Jesus may they both blessed is not trustworthy?

Both Moses and Jesus were brown not black. There is no argument here. There is no black Jesus.

honesttalk21:
As the Franks expanded their territory and established their dominance in Europe, they often took captives from conquered peoples as slaves. Slavery became a common practice within Frankish society, and slaves were used for various purposes such as labor, concubinage, and even as warriors. The Franks' reliance on slaves not only helped to build their empire but also perpetuated the institution of slavery in medieval Europe.

The Franks played a crucial role in spreading the institution of slavery to other parts of Europe. Through their conquests and subsequent establishment of feudalism, the Franks introduced a hierarchical system of social organization that relied heavily on the presence of slaves.

As the Franks converted to Christianity, the Franks began to view the enslavement of fellow Christians as immoral. This led to the distinction between "Christian" and "non-Christian" slaves, with the former often being treated more leniently. However, this distinction did not eliminate the institution of slavery altogether, but rather served to justify and perpetuate it through religious doctrine. Ultimately, the Franks' integration of Christianity into their social fabric had both positive and negative implications for the institution of slavery.

Serfdom is not slavery yet it is viewed unfavorably by white Jewish historians whom are writing these histories. Serfs were waves of white migrants from Eastern Europe and Asia into the forests surrounding Frankish towns and cities. Many lords offered land to Wild Men as they were called because they were Nomadic and dressed in animal skins. The deal called for Serfs to be contracted to work the land, produce a crop and pay the Lord each harvests. The Serfs were also conscripted for wars and there were many due to the times. Yes Serfs were treated many times unfairly due to the fact of human heirarchy but not all the Franks were unjust. The lower class people in Europe enjoyed more rights than anywhere else in the world. Just look at today's migration map most poor people in the third world including Arab nations flock to Western nations by the millions every year. When we talk Western World we are talking the Franks.

honesttalk21:
Sometimes straight off killing may be better than the horrors of forced labor. Pretty lame excuse for labour though it is excused that all is fair in love and war.
The Brown Race consisted of a joint Mediterranean-Hamite-Semite grouping of ancestrally related peoples, into which Elliot Smith included the Proto-Egyptians.

Well if another country attacks yours and is defeated yet they took thousands of lives and destroyed untold amount of property, then someone has to pay. Prisoners of war were put to work to recoup war damages. Usually the nobles demanded forced labor and even if the King wanted he couldn't allow the captured enemy go Scott Free. All is fair in war.


The Brown race is separate of any black or white race. Noah's sons in order, Yapeth white race, Shem brown race and Ham black race. Ham is the youngest and the least developed. All this melanin theory is pseudoscience. The Into Africa Theory is more plausible as Asia has the oldest civilization, language and diversity.

Melanin theory is a set of pseudoscientific claims made by some proponents of Afrocentrism, which holds that black people, including ancient Egyptians, have superior mental, physical, and paranormal powers because they have higher levels of melanin, the primary skin pigment in humans.


Skin color is meaningless and the real science has always been bloodline especially royal bloodline. A bloodline can be blessed or cursed and this is biblical. Even African traditions recognize royal blood as advantagous.



PARANORMAL BLOODLINES
It is believed that only special royal bloodlines possessed paranormal powers like the Cwezi. King Rwabugiri IV the great, an ancient Rwandan king was believed to have possessed paranormal powers along with one of his wives. Muhumuza. Rwabugiri was the first king to meet with the Europeans, he resisted slave trade and saved the remains of the Rwandan borders during the scramble and partition for Africa.

Also these bloodlines begun breaking the customary laws practicing forbidden customs such as eating prohibited meats, foods, certain fish, reptiles, marrying into hostile or forbidden bloodlines, murdering, breaking oath, abominations, inciting and obtaining curses, abandoning own customs, sodomy, laying down with animals etc. Ability to possess these mystical powers survived among some African peoples until 19th century when heavy interbreeding between clans, tribes and races took place therefore weakening special bloodlines.

Moses and his Ethiopian wife Zipporah. As you can clearly see that Moses is pictured as a brown skin Semitic man with Arab features and his wife Zipporah is pictured as a black skin woman with Nubian features. I used the term Nubian because African is too broad of a term nowadays anyone can be classified as African, meaning it doesn't necessarily mean black skin.


Here is also a photo of an Arab man, his Nubian looking wife and a child they bore together which has light brown complexion. This is what Hebrews are we are the offspring of Semitic men and black women. But some of us have become very black because of continuing to mix with black women and no longer have a high percentage of the original YDNA. Fortunately I do not have that issue and I resemble greatly my Frankish ancestors of the tribe of Benjamin and Judah's phenotype in royal portraits.

Moses and his Ethiopian wife Zipporah. As you can clearly see that Moses is pictured as a brown skin Semitic man with Arab features and his wife Zipporah is pictured as a black skin woman with Nubian features. I used the term Nubian because African is too broad of a term nowadays anyone can be classified as African, meaning it doesn't necessarily mean black skin.


Here is also a photo of an Arab man, his Nubian looking wife and a child they bore together which has light brown complexion. This is what Hebrews are we are the offspring of Semitic men and black women. But some of us have become very black because of continuing to mix with black women and no longer have a high percentage of the original YDNA. Fortunately I do not have that issue and I resemble greatly my Frankish ancestors of the tribe of Benjamin and Judah's phenotype in royal portraits.

bobestman:
You are thorougly messed up and your mind completely zapped. Even your bible testify against you cos they are black

Brown is a product of black. What makes ppl brown or black is Melanin. When it is full you are black. When it is few you are brown. Without it you are white. You need it to shield your body against the sun rays. We are created black. Ppl who are brown lack enough melanin. They use colour to divide ignorant ppl like you

Melanin, afrocentricity, and pseudoscience
B. O. D. Montellano
Published 1993
Biology
American Journal of Physical Anthropology


It is shown that all humans have similar amounts of neuromelanin (brain melanin), and that its concentration is absolutely independent of skin color; that adult humans do not synthesize β-MSH; and that human melatonin has no clearly demonstrable physiological function and no relationship to skin color.

honesttalk21:
I like to tease your humor. Elamites are black descendants of Shem. An understanding of how genetics work will then give probability of this black gene becoming dominant in descendants of his other brothers.

It however is of no real importance except probably to you and those that share your sentiment.

Do you forsee a re-emergance of open slavery? Why the bother about which slave masters will be worse?

The Elamites are mixed with Black and are considered Black but are they truly Black? If an Elamites man has a child with an Arab or other Semitic woman the offspring would immediately take on the ancient original genes. The Nubians are Black and they are the fathers of Africa, the oldest and largest ethnic group. The Nubians have many cousin nations across Africa including in Nigeria.

Back in the 90s when the internet was new the East Africans and West Africans used to rival and the talk was that East Africans like Ethiopians were mixed and not fully Black. East Africa shares a region with the Semitic people so they have mixed brown and black for millenniums. For instance even though I am considered black like you I look nothing like you. My skin color is very light brown like an Arab or Persian. This is because I am Hebrew and my forefathers are Semitic. It took me a while to come to this conclusion because the royal portraits of my family show them always as light brown even though my father's family is dark. It was a mystery, we wondered whether we came from Creoles that is Moors mixing with white women during their European rule. But then it occurred to me that Hebrews were originally brown and Semitic men. We have a close relationship with the black Gentiles because we married their women. But if we were to marry Arab, Persian or other Semitic women and bear children then immediately those original genes would find a match to produce an original Hebrew. This is why I say that there is no black Jesus or Solomon it doesn't exist. Jesus and Solomon my ancestors were Arab looking.

Black people love slavery and slavery still exists in Africa even in Nigeria slavery is going on unreported. If the Nigerian state and Constitution was to collapse then certain ethnic groups would invoke slavery because they really desire it.

honesttalk21:
Don't be so certain or feel Europe was an exclusion.
Slavery in ancient Europe was not primarily based on racial distinctions. Slavery in this region was largely an outcome of war, as individuals captured during conflicts were often enslaved. These slaves were considered property and were bought, sold, and owned by individuals and households. Slavery provided an essential labor force that contributed to the functioning of ancient European societies, allowing for the expansion of agriculture, mining, and domestic work.

In ancient Greece, slavery was a fundamental aspect of their society. Slaves, known as douloi, were owned by both individuals and the city-state itself. These slaves performed a wide range of tasks including agricultural work, household chores, and even serving in the military. The concept of slavery in ancient Greece was intertwined with notions of citizenship, as slaves were considered property and lacked many of the rights granted to citizens. However, it is important to note that not all ancient Greeks were in favor of slavery, and some philosophers like Aristotle even questioned its ethical implications.

The Roman Empire also heavily relied on slavery as it expanded and consolidated its power across Europe. Slaves, known as servus, were used in various aspects of Roman society such as agriculture, construction, and entertainment. Slavery was an important component of the Roman economy, allowing for the production of surplus goods and the accumulation of wealth by the elite. Although conditions for slaves varied, with some being treated relatively well while others suffered harshly, there was no doubt that their labor was essential for the functioning of Roman society.

Greece and Rome were not Europe they are Mediterranean kingdoms and empires. My forefathers the Franks built Europe and they had serfs but no slaves. And prisoners of war were made to perform forced labor it's considered humane than just killing them all. The concept is simple, war costs in lives and property so the captured enemy owes a debt he must repay.


Lastly the Romans were not true Christians they kept their pagan practices even after conversion. My ancestors the Franks were true Christians and treated people under their rule as Christians. At one point my ancestors dynasty the Merovingian even tolerated pagans as long as the Salic Law was obeyed.

honesttalk21:
Slavery existed long before the Atlantic slave trade and was practiced by various civilizations around the world. Therefore, it is misleading to solely attribute the relationship between Blacks and Jews to this particular historical period.

Yes slavery did exist around the world with exception of Europe my ancestors had no slaves..Yet the Atlantic Slave Trade was all Africans and Jews coming to buy and trade amongst themselves.

honesttalk21:
ELEPHANTINE the city of ivories,situated at the eastern bank of the southern end of a small island in the Nile, just north of the First Cataract and opposite the City of Sun (the Syene of Ezek. 29:10 and opposite modern Aswan). Its name relates to the natural rock formation along the river which, from even a short distance, looks like a herd of elephants. The Greek name Elephantine was a rendering of the Egyptian name, itself preserved in the Aramaic name. Elephantine was sacred to the ram-headed god Khnum who was believed to control the annual inundation of the Nile from the First Cataract.

During the Old Kingdom, Elephantine was known as "The Door to the South" because it was the southernmost city of Egypt, and a frontier fortress defending access to Egypt from Nubia. During the Middle and New Kingdoms it was the center of the Egyptian administration of Nubia. Under Persian rule from 525 b.c.e., it was the center of Persian military command in Egypt, and there was a large mercenary camp at Elephantine which included companies or regiments of Jewish soldiers.

The Jewish temple at Elephantine may have been built in the second half of the seventh century or at the beginning of the sixth but was constructed, in any event, before the Persian conquest of Egypt in the days of Cambyses' rule, as mentioned in the letter of the Elephantine Jews themselves.

Beta Israel, formerly called Falasha also spelled Felasha, now known to be pejorative, Jews of Ethiopian origin. Their beginnings are obscure and possibly polygenetic. The Beta Israel (meaning House of Israel) themselves claim descent from Menilek I, traditionally the son of the Queen of Sheba (Makeda) and King Solomon.

According to their oral traditions, the Beta Israel believe that their ancestors were part of the Jewish tribes who left Jerusalem after the destruction of the First Temple by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. They claim to have migrated to Ethiopia, where they settled and maintained their Jewish identity and practices despite centuries of isolation.

The only ones of Semitic origin are the Tygrayans who are persecuted by the Cushite Ethiopians who are
of Nubian descent. The tribe that rules Ethiopia are of Cushite descent they are sons of Mizram who are sons of Ham aka Nubia.

The Tygrayans are brown skin. There is no black Jesus. There are no black Israelites. Tygrayans are the descendants of Queen Sheba not the Cushite rulers of Ethiopia that oppress them.



Tigrayans
Ethnic group
Tigrayans are a Semitic-speaking ethnic group indigenous to the Tigray Region of northern Ethiopia. They speak the Tigrinya language, an Afroasiatic language belonging to the Ethiopian Semitic branch. The daily life of Tigrayans is highly influenced by religious concepts